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	<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:04:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Calling all animals</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://kimenyi.com/iconicity-of-ideophones-in-kinyarwanda.php"&gt;Ideophones&lt;/a&gt; are words that are usually spoken but not written and are often &lt;a href=&quot;http://poets.notredame.ac.jp/cgi-bin/wn?cmd=wn&amp;word=onomatopoeic&quot;&gt;onomatopoeic&lt;/a&gt;, including (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.easterwood.org/hmmn/archives/000092.html&quot;&gt;but not limited to&lt;/a&gt;) the calls&#8212;often &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduplication&quot;&gt;reduplicated&lt;/a&gt;&#8212;with which we beckon domestic animals, kindred to our &lt;a href=&quot;http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/11384&quot;&gt;animal imitations&lt;/a&gt;. In the States there are many more &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bensfriends.com/whatnot/archives/000380.html&quot;&gt;pig calls&lt;/a&gt; beyond &lt;i&gt;soo-ee&lt;/i&gt;. Maxim Gorky wrote that the sound &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/Maxim_Gorky/Creatures_That_Once_Were_Men/My_Fellow_Traveller_Chapter_III_p1.html&quot;&gt;tse tse&lt;/a&gt; is used to call pigs in Russia. In Spanish &lt;a href=&quot;http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry.php?id=c0792100&quot;&gt;coch&lt;/a&gt; is used.
Americans use &lt;i&gt;pipi&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;biddy&lt;/i&gt; to call chickens and turkeys. In &lt;a href=&quot;http://oldmaluku.net/language/ambondic.txt&quot;&gt;Ambon Malay&lt;/a&gt; chickens are called with &lt;i&gt;kurrrrr&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;pan kur&lt;/i&gt;. In &lt;a href=&quot;http://kimenyi.com/iconicity-of-ideophones-in-kinyarwanda.php&quot;&gt;Kiswahili&lt;/a&gt; you call chickens with &lt;i&gt;gur&#0250;gur&#0250;gur&#0250;gur&#0250;&lt;/i&gt;, call dogs with &lt;i&gt;ah&#0225;h&#0225;h&#0225;&lt;/i&gt;, and straying cattle with &lt;i&gt;ishiyeeyeeeeee &lt;/i&gt;or &lt;i&gt;ngoy&#0233;eeeee&lt;/i&gt;. In Sweden, they call cattle with a loud, high-pitched &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.karin-rehnqvist.se/English/teiledichnacht.html&quot;&gt;kulning&lt;/a&gt; (akin to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/classic-country/cattle-call---eddy-arnold-14949.html&quot;&gt;yodeling&lt;/a&gt;). Cervantes wrote that they use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/cervantes/english/ctxt/dq_dictionary/T.html&quot;&gt;tus tus&lt;/a&gt; to call dogs in Spain. &lt;a href=&quot;http://homepages.iol.ie/~batespd/kenweb/sayings.htm&quot;&gt;One source&lt;/a&gt; says in &lt;a href=&quot;http://homepages.iol.ie/~batespd/&quot;&gt;Coolderry, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;, they use &lt;i&gt;gen-gen&lt;/i&gt; to call pigs to ford, &lt;i&gt;puddly pudde&lt;/i&gt; to call ducks, &lt;i&gt;peopeo&lt;/i&gt; to call horses, and &lt;i&gt;geg geg&lt;/i&gt; to call geese. In Iceland, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tolt.net/names.html&quot;&gt;kibbakibb&lt;/a&gt; is used to call sheep. In the Hiligaynon language of the Philippines, they call cats with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.copewithcytokines.de/NAGATUON/cope.cgi?005214&quot;&gt;m&#0237;ming&lt;/a&gt;. In the parish of Nantcwnlle in Wales they have their own &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Nancwnlle/HanesNantcwnlle.html&quot; title=&quot;Scroll down about 10 percent of the page.&quot;&gt;set of calls&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:46:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mo Nickels</dc:creator>		<category>animal</category>		<category>calls</category>		<category>sounds</category>		<category>pigs</category>		<category>horses</category>		<category>chickens</category>		<category>turkeys</category>
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		<title>By: Mo Nickels</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1023910</link>	
		<description>Where it says &quot;Kiswahili&quot; above I should have written &quot;Kinyarwanda.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:04:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wendell</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1023969</link>	
		<description>May I enthusiastically add: &lt;em&gt;Smock! Smock!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:37:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: klangklangston</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1023977</link>	
		<description>Cool post!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:42:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: klangklangston</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1023992</link>	
		<description>Oh, and in Belgium, it&apos;s &quot;Wow! Wow!&quot; when dogs speak. I learned that from Tintin.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:01:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dersins</title>
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		<description>Wow. This is great stuff. Thanks, Mo Nickels.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:04:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: markovitch</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024002</link>	
		<description>A former professor loved to talk about ideophones from a slightly different angle-- how individual languages mimic animal sounds differently, and what that may indicate about phonetic inventories, etc.

english: cock-a-doodle-doo

southern france: kikiriki


fan-freakin-tastic post, yo.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:13:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alteredcarbon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024006</link>	
		<description>A small derail: How do you spell that sound one makes when exhaling in exasperation through the mouth and the lips vibrate, the shoulders shrug and you feel speechless?
Excellent post Mo Nickels, I love this kinda stuff.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:25:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: markovitch</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024008</link>	
		<description>depends on the language, methinks

for english, i propose &apos;phhhmmmm&apos;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:33:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mo Nickels</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024015</link>	
		<description>Klangklangston and Markovitch, note that this post isn&apos;t about the sounds we make when we imitate animals (which is discussed in &lt;a href=&quot;http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/11384&quot;&gt;this Ask Metafilter thread&lt;/a&gt; I linked to above), but the sounds we make when we want them to come to us.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:43:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024027</link>	
		<description>Love it!  I quack, gobble, and croak in your honor.

A few remarks:

I wish linguists would take the trouble to use actual English words when writing English sentences.  The first (=tenth) link includes the sentence:

&lt;em&gt;Another important feature of ideophones is that they use a lot of reduplication, triplication and quadriplication.&lt;/em&gt;

Dude, it&apos;s &lt;em&gt;quadruplication&lt;/em&gt;.  Look it up.  (It&apos;s not a typo, because it occurs in the final paragraph as well.)

The Gorky link is a translation of (a bit of) his story &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.sinn.ru/~gorky/TEXTS/STORY/sptnk.txt&quot;&gt;Moi sputnik&lt;/a&gt; (My Fellow Traveler); the &quot;tse&apos;, tse&apos;&quot; paragraph (near the end of part II in Russian, though apparently in Chapter III of the translation) is written to indicate a heavy Georgian accent, and the &quot;tse&quot; is actually &lt;em&gt;tstse&lt;/em&gt; (with a double &lt;em&gt;ts&lt;/em&gt;):

- &#1071; &#1090;&#1101;&#1073;&#1101; &#1091;&#1089;&#1090;&#1088;&#1086;&#1102; &#1090;-&#1090;&#1072;&#1082;&#1091;&#1102; &#1078;&#1080;&#1079;&#1085;&#1100;! &#1062;&#1094;&#1077;, &#1094;&#1094;&#1077;! &#1042;&#1080;&#1085;&#1086; &#1073;&#1091;-&#1076;&#1101;&#1096;&#1100; &#1087;&#1080;&#1090;&#1100; - &#1089;&#1082;&#1086;&#1083;&#1100;&#1082;&#1086; &#1093;&#1086;&#1095;&#1101;&#1096;&#1100;, &#1073;&#1072;&#1088;&#1072;&#1085;&#1080;&#1085;&#1099; - &#1089;&#1082;&#1086;&#1083;&#1100;&#1082;&#1086; &#1093;&#1086;-&#1095;&#1101;&#1096;&#1100;! &#1046;&#1101;&#1085;&#1080;&#1096;&#1100;&#1089;&#1103; &#1085;&#1072; &#1075;&#1088;&#1091;&#1079;&#1099;&#1085;&#1082;&#1101;, &#1085;&#1072; &#1090;&#1086;&#1083;&#1089;&#1090;&#1086;&#1081; &#1075;&#1088;&#1091;&#1079;&#1099;&#1085;&#1082;&#1101;, &#1094;&#1094;&#1077;, &#1094;&#1094;&#1077;, &#1094;&#1094;&#1077;!.. &#1054;&#1085;&#1072; &#1090;&#1101;&#1073;&#1101; &#1073;&#1091;&#1076;&#1101;&#1090; &#1083;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1096; &#1087;&#1077;&#1095;&#1100;, &#1076;&#1101;&#1090;&#1101;&#1081; &#1088;&#1086;&#1076;&#1080;&#1090;&#1100;, &#1084;&#1085;&#1086;&#1075;&#1086; &#1076;&#1101;&#1090;&#1101;&#1081;, &#1094;&#1094;&#1077;, &#1094;&#1094;&#1077;!

I know a little Georgian and have a bunch of reference works, but I can&apos;t find anything like &lt;em&gt;tstse&lt;/em&gt; in any of them; I&apos;m guessing it represents a clicking sound rather than an actual word or syllable.

As for Spanish &lt;em&gt;coch&lt;/em&gt;, according to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://tecnica92.tripod.com/cursos/diccionario/letra-c1.htm&quot;&gt;Diccionario Latinoamericano&lt;/a&gt; it&apos;s specifically Aragonese:

&lt;em&gt;En las voces aragonesas de Torres Fornes hallo coch-coch para acariciar al cerdo, y efectivamente, cocho en Navarra, &#193;lava y Asturias, y gocho en Galicia y Castilla, vale el cerdo y en Berceo (Duelo, 197).&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:08:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mo Nickels</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024082</link>	
		<description>Thanks, LH. My best dictionaries are at the office, so I couldn&apos;t check the Spanish properly.

I wondered about the Gorky, too, and thought maybe it was more akin to the clicking or clucking people do to call the attention of horses.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:28:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cenoxo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024118</link>	
		<description>Excellent post and links, Mo. Perhaps ideophones also work the other way &apos;round:

&lt;small&gt;&#8226;&lt;/small&gt; &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0323_050323_elephantnoise.html&quot;&gt;Elephants Can Mimic Traffic, Other Noises&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;small&gt;&#8226;&lt;/small&gt; &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=5778&quot;&gt;Whale Expert Deciphers Odd Elephant Calls&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Maybe all those &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.richmondaudubon.org/Feb2003article.html&quot;&gt;bird mimics&lt;/a&gt; are just trying to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eians.com/stories/2005/07/18/18dpa.shtml&quot;&gt;get our attention&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:57:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alteredcarbon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024244</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt; depends on the language, methinks

for english, i propose &apos;phhhmmmm&apos;
posted by markovitch&lt;/em&gt;
Cool.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:10:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: echolalia67</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024296</link>	
		<description>Facinating...both of my parents are from different parts of rural Ireland. When calling the cat my father would say &quot;pshist, pshist, pshist&quot;. My mother calls cats with &quot;cooush, cooush, cooush&quot;.  One day someone overheard me trying to coax a cat out from underneath a car and asked me if I was Irish. She said that they only other person she had ever heard calling a cat like that had been from Ireland.  Before that I had no idea that animal calls were region specific.

Great post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:14:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bystander</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024525</link>	
		<description>I bought my little girl a shirt that says &quot;Gock, gock, gock,my little chicken&quot; in Amsterdam and it has become a favourite.
In Oz when you call the chickens you yell &quot;chookchookchook&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 04:57:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: esperluette</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024622</link>	
		<description>great post, Mo Nickels!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:24:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jack_mo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44619/Calling-all-animals#1024852</link>	
		<description>Splendid post. Never having needed to attract the attention of an animal myself, I had no idea.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:37:10 -0800</pubDate>
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