Comments on: Katrina targets New Orleans.

Katrina targets New Orleans.

insomnia_lj — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:21:23 -0800

Mandatory evacuations have been declared, and contraflow evacuation routes are in effect near New Orleans, as Hurricane Katrina, a very wet, drenching hurricane, approaches the city from the Gulf of Mexico, where it is gaining in size and strength, with an estimated 45% chance of making landfall as a category 4 or 5 hurricane. The computer models suggest that New Orleans will sustain a direct hit from Katrina, which could be "The Big One" warned about by experts, capable of flooding the city, polluting it with industrial waste, and even flooding the pump stations, leaving it incapable of pumping out the water. The hurricane is predicted to make landfall early Monday near Port Fourchon, which handles approximately 13% of U.S. oil imports, and 27% of U.S. domestic production.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:24:46 -0800

Bring it, bitch.

By: dances_with_sneetches

dances_with_sneetches — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:28:59 -0800

Gaia is angry, isn't she?

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:37:34 -0800

Where are you in Louisiana, ColdChef? Are you riding out the hurricane, or evacuating?

By: Mikey-San

Mikey-San — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:38:30 -0800

Oh Katrina,
Are we on the final page? Katrina, why do you hate America? New Orleans, 1718-2005.

By: monju_bosatsu

monju_bosatsu — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:41:24 -0800

Looks like ColfChef is in Baton Rouge. I'm in Lafayette, and we're planning on riding it out here.

By: iamck

iamck — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:44:03 -0800

These "scientists" are just pushing an agenda. Nothing to see here.

By: justgary

justgary — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:46:22 -0800

Mmm, weather...best of the web. There should be at least a couple more before the season ends, so get read to cut and paste. And the "big one"? Almost every hurricane could be the big one. Pour me a hurricane...

By: y2karl

y2karl — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:55:01 -0800

Who gives a crap what you think ? Not I.

By: dersins

dersins — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:56:23 -0800

Oli Storm! (but, seriously, read the plot "synopsis...")

By: dersins

dersins — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:56:50 -0800

Oil. Oil storm. $#@#%!!

By: _sirmissalot_

_sirmissalot_ — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:00:06 -0800

I'd rather see an Oli storm, actually.

By: tew

tew — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:12:39 -0800

The American Prospect touched on this lately: "A direct hit from a powerful hurricane on New Orleans could furnish perhaps the largest natural catastrophe ever experienced on U.S. soil."

By: justgary

justgary — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:15:25 -0800

Make sure to watch it live.

By: ab3

ab3 — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:19:02 -0800

i'm in new orleans. it is as scary as it sounds. i'm getting out soon, i think, but i know several people who are planning on riding this out. please, wish us all luck.

By: muckster

muckster — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:23:14 -0800

I was down there in 99, and we ran from Georges because it looked the same way. Georges ended up turning and hitting Mississippi instead, but it did put the fear in me. If you can get out, you'd be safer leaving, ab3. Best of luck.

By: mkhall

mkhall — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:31:11 -0800

I've been through Andrew and now Katrina in Miami, and it is more frightening than most people realize. All of you in New Orleans are in my thoughts.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:34:20 -0800

There's a hurricane heading toward New Orleans?? Why don't people tell me these things? If only there were a device that made breaking news stories easily and widely available! Ah, well, until that blessed day I'll have to rely on MetaFilter.

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:34:59 -0800

Allow me to be the first (and hopefully last) to make the obligatory "Katrina and the Waves" joke in this thread.

By: monju_bosatsu

monju_bosatsu — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:37:57 -0800

You wake up on the wrong side of the bed today, EB? The real story here is not that there's yet another hurricane ready to hit the Gulf Coast, it's that this particular hurricane is the most likely to create the worst case "filling the bowl" scenario, which will result in a lake of industrial waste.

By: teece

teece — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:38:41 -0800

I really hope it misses New Orleans. The city is below sea level. A large hurricane hitting it right on would be so devastating. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

By: dhoyt

dhoyt — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:40:50 -0800

Some decent pics of Hurricane Camille ('69). Who gives a crap what you think ? Not I. Who are you talking to?

By: maxsparber

maxsparber — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:46:16 -0800

I live in the French Quarter. Which, come Monday morning, might be a 18-foot deep lake of industrial waste and balls of fire ants. Maybe I'll leave town tonight, but first, it's off to Pat O's to drink some hurricanes. The mayor was just on television giving his one-word advice to the residents of New Orleans: "Leave!"

By: Pacheco

Pacheco — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:48:52 -0800

It'll turn east...it always does. If not, its been fun...

By: Space Kitty

Space Kitty — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:52:23 -0800

Good luck to all of you in Katrina's path. Keep us posted.

By: justgary

justgary — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:53:22 -0800

It'll turn east...it always does. If not, its been fun... No. West...west...west...(though you're probably right).

By: mike3k

mike3k — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:06:40 -0800

I'm now recovering from Katrina in Fort Lauderdale. It was barely a category 1 storm when it hit us, but it caused more damage than the two much larger storms that hit us last year. Luckily the condo complex I live in never lost power but most of the surrounding neighborhoods did. We did have lots of trees down.

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:07:16 -0800

"There's a hurricane heading toward New Orleans?? Why don't people tell me these things? If only there were a device that made breaking news stories easily and widely available! Ah, well, until that blessed day I'll have to rely on MetaFilter." Prick.

By: If I Had An Anus

If I Had An Anus — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:11:08 -0800

*crosses fingers, makes wish*

By: mkultra

mkultra — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:11:24 -0800

(but, seriously, read the plot "synopsis...") Holy crap, man, that's scary. It not only sounds mind-numbingly boring ("Watch honest Americans cope in a world with LESS OIL!"), but the resolution is an ad for the oil industry- "It's a world that does not forgo oil as an energy source, but rather creates a more healthy association with it."

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:15:04 -0800

"Prick." I said, tell me something I don't know.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:18:49 -0800

I'm strapped down here. I've got a tub of lo mein and a gin I.V. Don't you kids worry about me. I've danced this song before. (Still, you know, if you don't hear from me in a few days...send help.)

By: dersins

dersins — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:19:11 -0800

mkultra: yeah, it was pretty terrible, and very, very stupid (not the same thing...) but it does start in hurricane season 2005 with a powerful hurricane devastating nawlins and port fourchon...

By: abcde

abcde — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:34:23 -0800

To those who intend to stay: what especially compels you to test your luck this time? Do you normally, say, run out into traffic to get to the other side? Yes, you've had to hear about this before, but the chance seems fairly real this time and the storm is worse than ever. Do you really love the interior of your house so much that you can't find anywhere else you could take a visit, or what?

By: abcde

abcde — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:37:22 -0800

(Well, I guess it makes a little more sense if you're not in New Orleans, which appears to be the most at risk)

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:40:55 -0800

Not everyone is able to leave. A fireman from my home town is down in Oschner's hospital in New Orleans with his 3 year old son who is suffering from liver failure. They basically told him to abandon his son at the hospital or hunker down and ride it out. He's a fucking fireman, what do you think his choice was?

By: the_bone

the_bone — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:45:29 -0800

I was in South Florida last year for the hurricanes, and it wasn't a fun experience. It looks like Katrina was harder on my old neighborhood than either Frances or Jeanne were... a former neighbor reports that the neighborhood will be without power for the foreseeable future, and that a huge tree next door to my old house blew down, narrowly missing the place. That being said, Fort Lauderdale will look like paradise next to New Orleans should they sustain a direct hit from this thing. If there's anyone from The Big Easy reading this who isn't out of town or bunkered down, may you and your loved ones be safe.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:45:46 -0800

Here's a few notes on the hurricane so far: My brother is on the FEMA disaster mortuary team (DMORT) and he got activated today. They told him to make sure his family is safe, but plan on being down in New Orleans this week, starting at least Tuesday. The Superdome has been opened up to homeless people and people who can't afford to flee the city. If the city goes under, so will at least half of the Superdome (a situation my brother refers to as "Stiff Soup"). It took two of my friends four hours to make the one hour trip out of New Orleans, and they consider themselves lucky. Last time, the same trip took 10 hours.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:48:22 -0800

Oh, and also, as far as evacuations go, this is probably the smoothest and most well organized evac that New Orleans has ever seen. So, they've got that going for them...

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:51:59 -0800

Do you really love the interior of your house so much that you can't find anywhere else you could take a visit, or what? Just to give you a bit of perspective, if you do evacuate New Orleans, and you're looking for a hotel room, you'll probably have to go as far as Houston, Dallas, or Little Rock, all more than six to eight hours away. And with gas over $2.50...well, fleeing can be pretty damned expensive. Not as expensive as death, I'll give you that, but not cheap either.

By: johnj

johnj — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:52:58 -0800

I am so sick of activist metrologist. I pray that God replaces them with scientists that follow His law. [Good luck to all that are down south. We're thinking of you up here in New England :)]

By: kenlayne

kenlayne — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:05:02 -0800

Good luck, babies! I was born & raised there and every single storm season brought the fear of the Big One -- there were two pretty damned big ones just after my birth and 4 years later (Betsy & Camille), and that sure made people take this stuff seriously. (Those of you from New Orleans may also have baby pictures taken in a canoe in the aisles of Schwegmann's ....) If you don't have a canoe or such, look for an air mattress or innertube or anything that floats. It's all fun and games until there's 10 feet of water between you and the ground.

By: smcniven

smcniven — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:09:43 -0800

Ain't got no picture postcards. ain't got no souveniers. My baby, she don't know me when I'm thinkin' bout' those years

By: thatwhichfalls

thatwhichfalls — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:18:38 -0800

I spend a lot of time in Port Fourchon, waiting for helicopters to take me south or for cabs to take me north. One of the things that has changed a lot around there over the last few years is the number of new houses built directly on the ground - the older ones are built up. The guy who drives the cab (Gerry, I hope you're OK) curses them every time he sees them. If that mess of air hits Fourchon a lot of people are going to be homeless.

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:19:46 -0800

you'll probably have to go as far as Houston Y'all can stay at my place!

By: teece

teece — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:20:49 -0800

The mayor of NO is considering the cities' first ever mandatory evacuation.

Nagin said anyone trying to stay in a city hotel or hoping for an opening of the Superdome might want to think again. According to Nagin, if 18 to 20 feet of water came into the city it could be six or seven weeks to restore power and the Superdome and hotels would grow uncomfortable.

Yikes. I really hope you folks down there make it through this OK.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:28:48 -0800

A few more details: We just got put under the "Hurricane Warning" which means that it's almost certainly going to hit right here. Fearing tornados and flying debris, they've asked people to clear their yards of trash and sink all their pool furniture in their pools for safekeeping. Grand Isle (just off the coast of Louisiana) has about 750 residents who are unable to leave. Plans are being made to evacuate them, but it looks like it may be logistically impossible. This is very bad as they are in the direct path. Tomorrow they may institute a "Mandatory Evacuation" of New Orleans. This has never been done before, and the drunken, stubborn residents of New Orleans are likely to fight it. (I say this as a stubborn drunk that has weathered many hurricanes in the wrong way). Right now, the evacuation is suggested, but not yet mandatory. What is almost certain is that something will happen tomorrow that has almost never ever happens: Cafe du Monde will stop serving beignets, at least for a day or two. And that, my friend, is scary.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:29:21 -0800

I'm on my way, WolfDaddy!

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:33:47 -0800

More about the evacuation of New Orleans: they beauty that is Contraflow. (Doesn't that sound like a pre-50's menstrual aid?)

By: bardic

bardic — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:36:09 -0800

If God destroys NoLa then the terrorists have won. Seriously, be safe down there. I was born in Zachary, but haven't been back for a long while--was planning on a visit in January with my Dad.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:40:34 -0800

I'm near Zachary. If your dad needs anything, email me. I've got some serious connections with disaster relief agencies. Comes with the job. Oh, and it probably goes without saying, but i'm drinking heavily right now.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:42:15 -0800

Everytime a hurricane is near New Orleans, they worry that it's the big one. But it would take a direct hit to flood the city, and that's just not that likely.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:43:28 -0800

Ummm. Check the trajectory map. Dead center.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:44:18 -0800

Hi there.

By: yhbc

yhbc — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:46:39 -0800

Fuck. Are your wife and daughter out? What about the rest of your family, dammit?

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:47:06 -0800

Looks like somebody's gonna have a case of the Mondays.

By: 6:1

6:1 — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:48:07 -0800

My brother is a trucker driver and was just contracted for FEMA. He is awaiting a phone call to find out where he is needed. He's waiting, (I think) in Atlanta, but there is talk of moving them further West so they can get there faster. He said at least 100 rigs are waiting, plus they are adding another 50-75. May you all be safe.

By: rolypolyman

rolypolyman — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:50:15 -0800

Hurricane tracks with key oil terminals marked.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:51:55 -0800

We're all here, but we're all together. My family helps run the local food bank, so we're kind of tied to the area. Plus, my father and my brother are both firemen, my sister-in-law is a nurse and an ambulance driver, so we pretty much thrive on chaos. We're hopefully far enough inland that we won't get storm surge, and the flooding around us should be minimal. We are worried about tornadoes and other wind related nastiness, but our funeral home is built like a bunker.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:54:46 -0800

good luck and get the hell out if you can ... this looks bad ...

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:17:57 -0800

Univeristy assessment of "Worst Case" Scenario Scary stuff, especially when you get down to this: If a hurricane of a magnitude similar to Ivan does strike New Orleans, the challenges surrounding rescue efforts for those who have not evacuated will be different from other coastal areas. Rescue teams would have to don special breathing equipment to protect themselves from floodwaters contaminated with chemicals and toxins released from commercial sources within the city and the petrochemical plants that dot the river’s edge. Additionally, tank cars carrying hazardous materials, which constantly pass through the city, would likely be damaged, leaking their contents into the floodwater and adding to the “brew.” The floodwater could become so polluted that the Environmental Protection Agency might consider it to be hazardous waste and prohibit it from being pumped out of the leveed areas into the lake and marshes until treated.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:19:00 -0800

Good luck, ColdChef, and everyone in NO.

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:23:10 -0800

You might want to purchase a couple life-preservers, or even a small inflateable raft, CC. You couldn't pay me to live below sea-level in a hurricane area. Well, again anyway.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:28:46 -0800

From that same linked page:

If Ivan had struck New Orleans directly it is estimated that 40-60,000 residents of the area would have perished.

Fuck. That's unimaginable for the developed world in this day and age. Terrifying.

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:41:08 -0800

You know how I posted that there was a 45% chance of Katrina coming in as a cat-4 or cat-5? Looks like the National Hurricane Center just raised that to 50%. Meanwhile, Forecaster Avila gives us some straight talk:

"(KATRINA) HAS BEEN CHANGING FROM A COIL TO A RING OF VERY DEEP CONVECTION THROUGHOUT THE EVENING. . . . THIS PATTERN...IN COMBINATION WITH THE HIGH OCEANIC HEAT CONTENT...FANCY WORDS FOR A WARM OCEAN...ALONG THE PATH OF KATRINA...CALLS FOR ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING . . . . THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT KATRINA IS EXPECTED TO BE AN INTENSE AND DANGEROUS HURRICANE HEADING TOWARD THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF COAST...AND THIS HAS TO BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY."

"A warm ocean" sounds a bit like ~~global warming~~ climate change, doesn't it?! Fortunately, global warming was eliminated with the Bush administration, which means we can all embrace the bright, sunny future of climate change. Live in the path of Katrina? Perhaps it's time to talk to your lawyer...

By: maxsparber

maxsparber — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:43:16 -0800

Daily Lush on the hurricane. (Self link) And now, to make plans to get the fuck outta dodge.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:44:36 -0800

No, "warm ocean" sounds like "warm ocean" to me.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:50:28 -0800

The radio just said that the National Hurricane Center is preparing to upgrade this hurricane to a Category 4. Bad news.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:51:38 -0800

Very nicely written. (A "to/too" typo, though.)

By: maxsparber

maxsparber — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:53:47 -0800

Got it. Thanks.

By: ab3

ab3 — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:01:46 -0800

i've heard there are nearly 100,000 people here with no mobility - no car, no way to evacuate. which is why we've never had a "mandatory evacuation" - it's pretty much impossible. the mayor has already put his family on a plane out of town. The head of the NOAA just called him and told him we could have a 25 foot storm surge - and our levees are built for 12-15. They're talking about putting people on buses and trains - anything to get them out of the city - and what may in a few hours be the city's first mandatory evacuation in history. god.

By: justgary

justgary — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:03:38 -0800

Additionally, tank cars carrying hazardous materials, which constantly pass through the city, would likely be damaged, leaking their contents into the floodwater and adding to the “brew.” Don't forget the fire ants all clinging together and floating around in big red balls stinging people. Last years version of "the one". Fortunately, global warming was eliminated with the Bush administration, which means we can all embrace the bright, sunny future of climate change. Must everything be politics with you? Hate to break it to ya, but camille came long before a bush came to d.c.

By: keswick

keswick — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:05:02 -0800

fuck, i never got to see New Orleans.

By: maxsparber

maxsparber — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:06:05 -0800

Buy some diving equipment.

By: maxsparber

maxsparber — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:21:28 -0800

Actually, now that I look at the current map projecting what sort of flooding would happen, most of the areas around downtown, including the French Quarter, are spared. The 9th Ward, on the other hand, and areas around the lake, would be hit really hard.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:21:46 -0800

Okay, I'm going to bed, because I've read too much of this and I've freaked myself out. I'll check in when i can.

By: bumpkin

bumpkin — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:49:04 -0800

Good luck to all of you in New Orleans. Be safe. Though it might be premature -- the worst case may not actually obtain -- but, how have we made this worse? First is the issue of the levees. New Orleans is below sealevel because the Mississipi delta continually subsides as the river sediments in the delta dewater and compact. Without regular floods to deposit sediment on the floodplains, the land is cut off from its source of sediment, but continues to subside. Because of this, New Orleans is right now primed for a big storm to create massive damage. If Katerina veers east, we will all breathe a sigh of relief, but eventually the reckoning will happen. Its not nice to fool Mother Nature. Second: what about climate change? A recent paper by Kerry Emmanuel in Nature showed that while the number of tropical storms hasn't increased in concert with (anthropogenically driven) climate change, the intensity of these has. See this link for a roundup and further links. This isn't politics or another opportunity to bash BushCo. Its recognition that as a species and a society we have had a major impact on the workings of our planet and yes, there are bad consequences. Maybe this storm will veer east at the last minute, and the storm surge won't overtop the levees. Those who didn't flee will be spared, and some may even feel a little smug. Eventually, however, sooner or later, this will happen. On the eve of that storm, the drunks will still be having "Hurricane Parties", the reality deniers will be as resolute in their stubborness. (And: nice writing maxsparber)

By: maxsparber

maxsparber — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:53:38 -0800

Thanks.

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:59:57 -0800

i've heard there are nearly 100,000 people here with no mobility - no car, no way to evacuate. Amazing, isn't it? The federal government will probably come up with a couple hundred million dollars for disaster relief after the hurricane hits, but can't send some goddamned busses down there to evacuate everyone too poor to leave before it strikes?

By: somethingotherthan

somethingotherthan — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:16:41 -0800

Be safe, ColdChef & co. As someone who lives in hurricane country I know the mania that precedes these big storms. The Weather Channel has wall-to-wall coverage of Katerina, of course. I'm just waiting for them to show Anderson Cooper almost being taken out by another hotel sign in his quest to "report live from the scene."

By: justgary

justgary — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:17:30 -0800

If Katerina veers east, we will all breathe a sigh of relief Except for those of us on the east side of new orleans. A cat 5 storm will be devastating no matter where it hits, levee or no levee. Second: what about climate change? A recent paper by Kerry Emmanuel in Nature showed that while the number of tropical storms hasn't increased in concert with (anthropogenically driven) climate change, the intensity of these has. See this link for a roundup and further links. I personally have little doubt that climate change over many years is involved. However, after reading your link, along with opposing views, it really only suggest that you might be right.

By: Mitheral

Mitheral — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:43:13 -0800

Civil_Disobedient writes "can't send some goddamned busses down there to evacuate everyone too poor to leave before it strikes?" Some rough numbers: Assume school buses capable of transporting 66 people at a time. Assume shelters are available within 2.5hrs one way your looking at a round trip every 6 hours or so (is it even possible to drive into NO at this time?). Assume 3 drivers are available for each bus so buses can run 4 trips a day. That's 264 evacuees per day. Assume two days for evac. That gives 530 evacuees per bus. You'd need 189 buses and 567 drivers. But people aren't going to want to leave so your first trips will probably be delayed or ran under capacity. And like ColdChef has indicated that outbound 2.5hrs is completely unrealistic. stretch that to shelters at 7 hours out and 3.5 hours in and your looking at only two trips per day. Those kind of numbers would mean 379 buses and 758 drivers. The NOPS district only has 75 bus routes so they're going to need help from the transit authority and probably charter operators. You also need lots of people organising. Still I wonder how much saving $10-20 million up front by not transporting those without transportation will cost them down the road, assuming the worst happens.

By: justgary

justgary — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:59:28 -0800

Still I wonder how much saving $10-20 million up front by not transporting those without transportation will cost them down the road, assuming the worst happens. Maybe I'm missing something, but how would evacuating everyone save money? Lives, yes (or is it lives that you were talking about). But money? It's the rebuilding that costs millions, and evacuating does nothing to prevent damage.

By: c13

c13 — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:17:00 -0800

Amm, medical bills for the injured survivors?

By: Mitheral

Mitheral — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:23:55 -0800

Warning, all numbers pulled out of my butt: Let's assume it costs $150 to transport a person to a shelter and then return them after the emergency. Most of those unable to leave on there own are of limited means which will mean a government somewhere will be paying for interment of the bodies and/or medical treatment and/or temporary housing/food in a disaster zone. If the state is ultimately responsible for 50,000 bodies and it costs $500 a piece for internment you've looking at $25 mil for doing nothing vs $15 mil for transport. Plus other costs, lawsuits if nothing else.

By: adzm

adzm — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:24:37 -0800

Weather.com is reporting this as a fullscale Category 4 now, winds around 145mph.

By: adzm

adzm — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:35:41 -0800

Ball of fire ants. Intimidating picture!

By: rolypolyman

rolypolyman — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:40:00 -0800

Ok -- flood, oil prices, and fire ant balls. What a grim picture. That fire ant ball is truly something that should not be.

By: cavalier

cavalier — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:51:08 -0800

ColdChef said FEMA disaster mortuary team (DMORT). I googled that. I am a little depressed that it means exactly what I think it means. What a fun department. God bless 'im.

By: cavalier

cavalier — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:53:52 -0800

And a quick aside -- I know we'll all be refreshing this today -- but hey EB, thanks for coming around! CC - your case of the monday's line was well needed.

By: ab3

ab3 — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:56:36 -0800

as far as the buses argument goes, what appears to be happening on the ground here - or at least what the local news is reporting live at 3:45am - is that if a mandatory evacuation is declared, they'll be commandeering city RTA buses and heading them out of town filled with those unable to evacuate themselves. also, the superdome will be opened as a shelter of last resort...

By: ab3

ab3 — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:00:43 -0800

also, when i said earlier that
i've heard there are nearly 100,000 people here with no mobility - no car, no way to evacuate.
i was wrong.
according to the news just now, the number is between 150,000 and 200,000. which is at least 1/3 of the population of the city proper.

By: ab3

ab3 — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:07:01 -0800

oh, and to go with that tragically hip song, there's also the randy newman one.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 04:26:26 -0800

"but hey EB, thanks for coming around!" I still don't think this should have been posted, but that's a completely different matter than being concerned about the situation and caring about those affected. Also, I (grudgingly) accept Matt's exception for "big news events", but when this post was made, it wasn't yet. In fact, I think anticipating that it would be is exactly the kind of mindset that should be greatly discouraged. But again, this is shaping up to be a very serious situation and my best wishes go out to all those in NO tonight.

By: jfuller

jfuller — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:10:37 -0800

EB, you may have a point about the original post, but IMHO justgary's link to the N'awlins live webcams definitely makes the thread "best of the web," under the circumstances, for the next 24-48 hours. Best wishes to anybody who can't leave.

By: Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs

Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:15:51 -0800

Category 5 now? Oh dear...

By: weretable and the undead chairs

weretable and the undead chairs — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:37:39 -0800

Yeah. 160mph sustained winds now and the conditions are good for it to continue growing and strengthening. Nasty.

By: eriko

eriko — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 06:12:39 -0800

000 WTNT42 KNHC 281204 TCDAT2 HURRICANE KATRINA SPECIAL DISCUSSION NUMBER 22 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 8 AM EDT SUN AUG 28 2005 THE PURPOSE OF THIS SPECIAL ADVISORY IS TO REVISE THE INTENSITY OF KATRINA TO CATEGORY FIVE. AN AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT REPORTED A PEAK 700 MB FLIGHT-LEVEL WIND OF 153 KNOTS...WHICH CORRESPONDS TO MAXIMUM SURFACE WINDS OF ABOUT 140 KNOTS. OBVIOUSLY...THE BIG QUESTION IS HOW STRONG KATRINA WILL BE AT LANDFALL. WE HAVE VERY LIMITED SKILL IN PREDICTING THIS. FLUCTUATIONS IN INTENSITY...DUE TO EYEWALL REPLACEMENTS...ARE LIKELY DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS. NEVERTHELESS...KATRINA IS EXPECTED TO BE A DEVASTING CATEGORY FOUR OR FIVE HURRICANE AT LANDFALL. NO CHANGES TO THE TRACK OR WIND RADII FORECASTS HAVE BEEN MADE. FORECASTER PASCH/KNABB FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INITIAL 28/1200Z 25.7N 87.7W 140 KT 12HR VT 28/1800Z 26.3N 88.4W 140 KT 24HR VT 29/0600Z 28.0N 89.4W 140 KT 36HR VT 29/1800Z 30.0N 89.8W 135 KT 48HR VT 30/0600Z 32.3N 89.3W 65 KT...INLAND 72HR VT 31/0600Z 37.5N 86.0W 35 KT...INLAND 96HR VT 01/0600Z 42.0N 79.0W 30 KT...EXTRATROPICAL 120HR VT 02/0600Z 47.0N 70.0W 25 KT...EXTRATROPICAL --------------- 140kts=160mph. The bolded line (emphasis mine) is landfall. If you are in New Orleans, get out. Don't fuck around. This storm is acting like it's being plotted by Hollywood. There's nothing inbetween this storm and the big easy but warm gulf water -- which is gatorade for Hurricanes. The only variations in strength will by eyewall replacement cycles.

By: squink

squink — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 06:37:33 -0800

NOVA Science Now:

See the 12-minute broadcast segment on how the ability to predict a hurricane's path and intensity affects cities like New Orleans.

50,000 dead...a million homeless. Skip over the the Robert Krulwich intro to get right to the graphic demostration of how deep the water will be on the French Quarter.

By: Kat Allison

Kat Allison — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 06:43:53 -0800

Really scary stuff here about the likelihood of Katrina becoming an annular hurricane--the kind that maintains much of its intensity at landfall, instead of weakening. Dr. Jeff Masters of Wunderground says "she could easily be the third or fourth most intense hurricane ever, later today."

By: rdr

rdr — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 06:48:52 -0800

What happened here? A day ago this was a category 1 with a bunch of rain. I've seen the explanation that this picked up energy from warm water but this storm underwent a dramatic change in a days time. I know that hurricanes are unpredictable but I thought we understood them well enough that we would have had more a days warning. Is it that the time over warm water makes the storm so hard to forecast?

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 06:58:33 -0800

Christ! 160mph winds are tornado strength. Big tornado strength. Over about a million times more area. ColdChef, leave.

By: mikeanegus

mikeanegus — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:00:33 -0800

I think everybody should check out the video which squink posted a couple of posts up....it's damn scary especially as it aired in January and basically describes what is happening now and may do in the next couple of hours. I really hope Katrina moves east or west. I'm writing from the UK and have never experienced a hurricane. I seriously hope you folks in NO ride it out ok. Good luck ColdChef and the others riding this one out.

By: mikeanegus

mikeanegus — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:06:33 -0800

Another NHC update : 000 WTNT62 KNHC 281117 TCUAT2 HURRICANE KATRINA TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 615 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005 ...KATRINA NOW A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE WITH 160 MPH WINDS... ...AT ABOUT 605 AM CDT... 1105Z... AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT REPORTED THAT MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS IN HURRICANE KATRINA HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 160 MPH. KATRINA IS NOW EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. FORECASTER KNABB

By: suckerpunch

suckerpunch — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:07:30 -0800

I'm still reading up on this, and I am not a meteorologist, but here's my current understanding : The strength of Katrina is mostly dependant on three variables - the organization of the circulation around the eye of the system, the height of the system's convection, and where exactly it is in the 'eyewall replacement cycle'. Big words, I know. What happened with Katrina was that it was never well-organized for a storm of its size, up until the eye reappeared at the end of the replacement cycle. (I don't understand what happens during the cycle, except that the storm loses organization, the eye disappears, and the storm weakens... and then the eye reappears, the storm gets huge, etc.) At any rate, when the eye reappeared at night, it was much more well-defined, indicating that the storm was suddenly much more organized. That led to a drop in pressure (down to 910 millibar!) and an increase in strength. (When you hear people talk about the organization of a storm, imagine a car engine that's made out of smoke. The better organized that engine is - the more that you have cylinders and pistons made of smoke instead of a fuzzy smoky mass - the better the engine runs. In the case of a hurricane, that means that the circulation and convection happens in clearly defined layers.) Factors such as warm water do count, quite a bit, but they aren't variables - I mean, we know how warm the water is, we know the temperature isn't changing beyond what we expect, and the models handle that well. The best models currently have Katrina hitting the western Mississippi Gulf Coast, with Grand Isle getting slammed first. I'm gonna keep on reading what I can, and then I'm off to board up. This was posted from Cafe Envie, Barracks and Decatur, in the French Quarter.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:08:50 -0800

"50,000 dead...a million homeless." I'm tentatively accepting this possibility as valid, but I'm still having trouble with it. If this were to come to pass, it'd be hard to overestimate just how truly momentous this would be.

By: bardic

bardic — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:18:59 -0800

Best wishes to Mefites down there, but please leave!

By: Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs

Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:27:14 -0800

Good luck, suckerpunch.

By: suckerpunch

suckerpunch — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:28:43 -0800

An interesting note - with all this talk of the FEMA bodybags being readied, anchorwomen with dialated eyes and massive foreheads panicking on live television, etc., you know what has been the one piece of information that has caused the most terror? The Wal-Marts shut down yesterday. Swear to God, you tell anyone that an inescapable wave of death is coming but the Wal-Marts will be open, they'll be a little scared, but they'll get over it. You say that everything will probably be fine but the Wal-Marts have closed just in case, everyone just goes into a panic.

By: nola

nola — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:34:17 -0800

sorry for the late post. we did this last year, no? i just wanted to say , good luck new orleans!!

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:40:03 -0800

The Wal-Marts shut down yesterday. Snakes on a motherfucking plane.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:42:01 -0800

Sucker, and all you others--they're keeping the Superdome as a shelter just in case--if it's sturdy, go there. It's going to be bad. stay safe.

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:45:39 -0800

For those who are interested, I'll be collecting the firsthand accounts of LiveJournal users effected by Katrina in my journal (obvious self-link), as I've done in the past for Hurricane Charlie and the massive tsunami in Asia last year. I strongly encourage everyone in the storm's path to evacuate, but if you are going to ride out the storm, you may be able to reach me via email at insomnia @ livejournal.com while you still have power or phone service, in the event that you'd like to relay news, messages, and information. I'll once more be relaying emergency information, eyewitness reports, and try to get people in touch with friends and family, as needed. In addition, I encourage those who can to monitor the hurricane watch net, which will be broadcasting on 14.325 MHz as of Sunday at 2:00 pm CDT. They will be collecting firsthand accounts from the affected area, and will be communicating information to and from official agencies such as FEMA and the Red Cross. Good luck out there...!

By: strikhedonia

strikhedonia — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:48:00 -0800

Walmart would stay open during the apocalypse. I read that there are mandatory evacs in place now all along the coast. Godspeed.

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:49:13 -0800

"14.325 MHz" Could someone put this on the web, please?

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:51:40 -0800

CNN just said it's up to 175mph.

By: ericb

ericb — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:58:00 -0800

I read that there are mandatory evacs in place now all along the coast. Yep ... just announced: "Mayor Ray Nagin [has] ordered an immediate mandatory evacuation Sunday for all of New Orleans."

By: suckerpunch

suckerpunch — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:09:08 -0800

I've been a MeFi reader for years but I signed on today for a reason - I am now asking for couches to crash on, since I have to plan for an evacuation now. (In every other hurricane scare I've been in - Georges up 'till now - I never even packed a suitcase.) Anyone up Jackson way, drop me a line.

By: andreaazure

andreaazure — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:12:20 -0800

(You are now entering the Andrea-is-logical Zone. Warning.) I am going to post this to be Yet Another Voice - it is time to leave New Orleans. Yes, gas is getting near $3/gallon, but consider the time and money spent to leave a three-day insurance policy, and it is some of the best time and money you've ever spent, right? And, on a grander scale, consider this my cold-and-calculating statistic: 9-11 happened and it was very bad for the economy. That day, under 3000 people died. Infrastructure was hurt, but it only took six months to get back to basics there. If Katrina hits as hard as it might, right over NO, *poof*. Ignoring the untold thousands of dead, what happens when the gatemouth to the Mississippi is "out of order"? The economy is going to take another huge, huge hit. The cleanup, the repairs, it goes on and on. (Please understand that I know death is death, and it sucks all the way around. But before anyone dies from this storm, I want to look at this stuff -- it will be much harder to do so later.)

By: andreaazure

andreaazure — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:15:47 -0800

And while I was composing, the mayor made it offical. Mayor's opinion > Andrea's opinion...

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:22:38 -0800

I am now asking for couches to crash on, since I have to plan for an evacuation now. MeTa.

By: geoff.

geoff. — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:32:56 -0800

Katrina is a terrorist, that's for sure. Not to sound callous at the almost assured loss of life -- but gas is going to skyrocket. I hope Bush releases some of those petroleum reserves for a month or so until everything hopefully gets back online.

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:46:28 -0800

"The economy is going to take another huge, huge hit. The cleanup, the repairs, it goes on and on." Not to derail, but to what other hit(s) does "another" refer? The US economy is doing extremely well these days. Gas supply? What's the "other"?

By: cenoxo

cenoxo — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:46:56 -0800

Worth repeating—find the latest Hurricane Katrina advisories, forecasts, charts, and maps here: NOAA National Hurricane Center http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ The Discussion is perhaps the best summary.

By: NewBornHippy

NewBornHippy — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:51:25 -0800

Just waiting for Pat Robertson to say that an other city of sin is about to be punished.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:52:48 -0800

Sucker, have they announced buses or anything going north or west for city residents?

By: paperpete

paperpete — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:00:04 -0800

This mandatory evac order - does that mean people are going to be hauled bodily out of their houses and shoved onto buses? I hope so, for ColdChef's sake and others.

By: suckerpunch

suckerpunch — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:00:41 -0800

Amberglow - the only thing I am aware of is that the Superdome has been opened as a last-resort shelter, with busses picking people up from schools scattered throughout the city. There is no mention of anything else.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:15:27 -0800

they ought to get every bus in the city comandeered and just get people out of there. even boats and barges up the Mississippi would work.

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:16:33 -0800

You can listen to the hurricane watch net's live stream, btw... but for obvious reasons, it's not much more than the occasional bleep right this second.

By: Sangre Azul

Sangre Azul — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:18:01 -0800

For those trying to get more insight into the forecast, I find flhurricane.com to be a good resource for this and other storms -- mets often post to the discussion board and a few have blogs. The front page has a running list of related resources to Katrina and NOLA. Camille was before my time and I've been hoping I wouldn't see anything similar in my lifetime. However, Donna was also before my time, and probability certainly caught up with my central FL town last year. Best wishes to all those in Katrina's path.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:23:09 -0800

The Superdome has been opened for people with special needs and as a shelter of last resort. Residents should call (504) 568-3200 to reserve space in this shelter.

By: QuestionableSwami

QuestionableSwami — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:25:29 -0800

from the NWS in Lake Charles LA:

1045 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005
...THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE 
RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT WAS 903 MB...26.81 INCHES. UNOFFICIALLY... 
KATRINA IS NOW THE FOURTH STRONGEST HURRICANE (BASED ON LOWEST 
PRESSURE) IN ATLANTIC BASIN HISTORY.

For comparison: GILBERT (1988) 888 mb ALLEN (1980) 899 mb CAMILLE (1969) 905 mb MITCH (1998) 905 mb ANDREW (1992) 922 mb

By: andreaazure

andreaazure — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:26:13 -0800

ParisParamus: The "other" hit in this case refers to Q4 2001 and Q1 2002, when the economy took a pretty nasty tumble due to a "perfect storm" (mind the pun): the Enron/Worldcom fallouts, 9-11's direct costs of cleanup and rebuilding and insurance payouts, 9-11's indirect costs with decreased domestic travel and tourism, Bush administration policies, the dramatic increase in domestic and international security spending, and the final gasps of the end of the dotcom bubble popping.) What I fear is another similar situation: Katrina, the negative effects of the Iraq portion of the War on Terror on the US economy (it ain't cheap, no war is), the likely pop of many of the bubbles (though that has been threatened for YEARS), extremely high gas prices*, highest-ever health insurance prices (with a sixth-consecutive year of 10%+ premium increases nationwide), and so on. * While the gas prices are higher in raw dollars, they are in-line in real, inflation-adjusted dollars with previous years. If only people's wages grew in line with inflation as well, the "gas prices aren't that bad in real dollars" defense would have more weight.

By: Mitheral

Mitheral — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:28:57 -0800

andreaazure writes "And, on a grander scale, consider this my cold-and-calculating statistic: 9-11 happened and it was very bad for the economy. That day, under 3000 people died. Infrastructure was hurt, but it only took six months to get back to basics there. If Katrina hits as hard as it might, right over NO, *poof*." Kinda puts things in perspective doesn't it. If things get bad it's going to be unfortunate so many National Guard are away from home. ParisParamus writes "Not to derail, but to what other hit(s) does 'another' refer? The US economy is doing extremely well these days. Gas supply? What's the 'other'?" 'I will not take the thing from your hand.'

By: nile_red

nile_red — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:30:25 -0800

I've got five people and three dogs evacuating up to my house in northern MS, cause their casino jobs told them to leave.

By: purephase

purephase — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:30:46 -0800

10:50AM Hurricane Katrina is now up to 175MPH Maximum Sustained winds. If you are near the coast and in the cone for Katrina YOU SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT THIS PAGE - prepare and evacuate if necessary Best of luck and Godspeed to all that are in the affected areas. I wish I lived closer as I would gladly offer my floors/couch and food to those that made it out. Let's just hope that Katrina dies down when she hits land. Although, at all indications up to this point, it doesn't look like that will happen.

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:32:05 -0800

"This mandatory evac order - does that mean people are going to be hauled bodily out of their houses and shoved onto buses?" No. Infact, they said pretty plainly that they cannot force people to leave their houses. As for New Orleans' buses, well... streetcar service has been suspended, and bus service will apparently be discontinued by the afternoon. The city has opened the Superdome as a special-needs shelter. At about 10 a.m., the RTA will deploy 10 LIFT vehicles to help special-needs residents evacuate to Baton Rouge. Those who are critically ill will be brought by ambulance. Then, starting at noon, the city will open the Superdome as a shelter of last resort. RTA will shuttle passengers to the Superdome from several locations around the city; see http://www.regionaltransit.org for details. Don't expect the buses to run past about 3 or 4 today though. The drivers have families too.

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:33:20 -0800

Thanks, andreaazure. I hope that doesn't happen. If it's any solice, the effects of 9/11 were so extreme because they were psychological--what will happen next. This is not that type of event. Hopefully everyone will evacuate. One of those sites says the gusts are over 200mph!

By: ericb

ericb — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:38:35 -0800

President Bush declares states of emergency in Louisiana and Mississippi.

By: Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs

Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:38:42 -0800

One of those sites says the gusts are over 200mph! That's absolutely mindboggling.

By: A dead Quaker

A dead Quaker — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:39:29 -0800

I hope Bush releases some of those petroleum reserves for a month or so until everything hopefully gets back online. At least one of the SPR sites is in the projected path of the storm. Yeesh.

By: bumpkin

bumpkin — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:43:58 -0800

Watching live news conference from wwltv.com right now. Scary stuff. (Large flash, 30 MB) model of storm surge from cat 3 hurricane.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:44:33 -0800

sucker, fill your tub with water and stop it up, and fill every container you have with water...even if it's not a catastrophe the water won't be drinkable, i don't think. what floor are you on?

By: Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs

Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:55:57 -0800

Check out the last data retrieval from this buoy.

By: fungible

fungible — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:10:29 -0800

Good luck, NOLA. Nice knowin ya.

By: soiled cowboy

soiled cowboy — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:20:31 -0800

By: eriko

eriko — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:30:40 -0800

Christ, it just gets better... ...LOUISIANA COASTAL TIDE DATA FOR...MON AUG 29 2005 CALCASIEU PASS...LIGHTHOUSE WHARF HI 2 45 AM STAGE 2.4 LO 6 42 PM STAGE 0.0 SHELL ISLAND...ATCHAFALAYA BAY HI 5 53 AM STAGE 1.8 LO 7 27 PM STAGE 0.0 BARATARIA PASS...GRAND ISLE HI 6 31 AM STAGE 1.7 LO 6 08 PM STAGE 0.0 RIGOLETS...LAKE BORGNE HI 8 44 AM STAGE 1.4 LO 8 49 PM STAGE 0.0 SOUTHWEST PASS...MISSISSIPPI RIVER HI 4 41 AM STAGE 1.8 LO 4 36 PM STAGE 0.0 WINE ISLAND...TERREBONNE BAY HI 6 39 AM STAGE 1.8 LO 7 20 PM STAGE 0.0 Katrina's going to be making landfall just after high tide. True, tides on the gulf coast aren't huge, the tidal range 1-3 feet, but every extra foot of water is that many more acres underwater, and that much more water in the bowl. I've never said this before. I lived though Hugo. I've seen the houses across the street erased by tornados twice in my life. GET OUT. NOW As I said before, this storm is acting like it is being plotted by a Hollywood scriptwriter. You're looking at a 25 foot storm surge, on top of high tide, meeting 18 foot levees, driven by 170mph winds -- plus, add to all of that, hurricane rainfall. The current forecast discussion for Katrian (#23) has a very chilling sentence. "KATRINA IS COMPARABLE IN INTENSITY TO HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969...ONLY LARGER. " Run. Don't think, just run. If the Superdome is the best you can do, get into the upper deck, and pray. Otherwise, you need to be north, and you need to be there now, because the winds have already started to come up, and the weather's not getting better before landfall. It's 12:30CDT now. Landfall will be about 7:00CDT tommorow. Given the worsening weather, you really only have three-four hours before it starts to get bad, and maybe ten to twelve before the weather gets bad enough that running won't be possible anymore. First rainbands are just coming onshore now. (Radars: New Orleans: LIX, Mobile: MOB)

By: andreaazure

andreaazure — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:42:28 -0800

I am seriosuly scared right now. Like the fear I felt between the first and second tower collapse at the World Trade Center. (I am near Boston, a timezone away from where this will happen.)

By: Toecutter

Toecutter — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:50:20 -0800

This is gonna sound crazy, but we're getting into last ditch territory: a controlled release of oil over the water? Has there been any more research on this? I really don't want to see New Orleans wrecked. Good luck down there. A lot of us have you in our thoughts & prayers.

By: geoff.

geoff. — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:01:31 -0800

toecutter, they barely evacuated everyone on the oil rigs, that's impossible now. I think the only thing they could possibly do at this point is detonate a nuclear device within the eye.

By: squink

squink — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:02:14 -0800

sucker, fill your tub with water and stop it up, and fill every container you have with water... Unfortunately, unless the tub is more than 25' off the ground, Katrina will be filling it herself, and the water most certainly won't be potable.

By: paleocon

paleocon — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:05:31 -0800

Wait, the tides will be 25'. Isn't NO ten feet below sea level? That makes 35' total water depth. Did I miscalculate?

By: geekgal

geekgal — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:17:10 -0800

6 feet below sea level, according to what I've read. Surge is predicted at 25' but that isn't what the water level will be everywhere (one hopes not).

By: jokeefe

jokeefe — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:17:17 -0800

Thinking of you all and hoping for the best. That sounds, and is, particularly feeble, but there it is. Fingers crossed for New Orleans.

By: jokeefe

jokeefe — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:19:23 -0800

Huh. The webcams appear to have gone offline.

By: paperpete

paperpete — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:22:37 -0800

These cams appear to be still online, but there's very heavy lag - you'll wait for 30 seconds or so.

By: moonbird

moonbird — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:36:17 -0800

You're all in my thoughts... I'm sure we're all pretty disturbed about this, so does anyone know what relief agencies need donations the most? There's always the Red Cross, but are there any Gulf Coast agencies that people can support with a little cash?

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:36:40 -0800

It's really weird that CNN has no one on the street in New Orleans or Biloxi--they're usually all over this kind of thing with reporters on the ground.

By: longdaysjourney

longdaysjourney — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:38:45 -0800

902 milibars now. Good luck everyone. You're in my thoughts.

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:40:11 -0800

Suckerpunch and anyone else in New Orleans who reads this: I have started a post on LiveJournal for people to offer up shelter or carpools out of New Orleans for those wishing to evacuate. I'd like to open it up for people on MetaFilter too, so that they can either offer up shelter, carpools, or find the same. The thread is also being used for people within New Orleans to offer up safer places in the city to ride out the storm. One such person has offered to let others ride it out on the 4th floor of a building in the warehouse district. That might be a better choice for you, suckerpunch.

By: teece

teece — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:41:31 -0800

The first page of the "big one" story linked shows a guy with a 20 foot tall stick standing in NOLA, to show what might happen when the city is submerged by a nightmare scenario. Right now, this one is looking like the nightmare scenario. It may not be 35 feet, but experts expected 20 feet easily. And all that water will have no place to go: it'd be dumped into big bowl. Holy god. ColdChef hasn't posted today, but he was posting last night from NOLA. I really hope him and his have gotten the hell out of there.

By: konolia

konolia — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:50:44 -0800

Guys, I'll be prayin'.

By: jennyjenny

jennyjenny — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:57:19 -0800

God, I wish I could do something from here in Brooklyn other than pray. Good luck, everybody.

By: maryh

maryh — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:59:41 -0800

I hope this turns out better than expected, but there doesn't seem much indication that it will. Best wishes to everyone still there. *heart breaks#

By: eriko

eriko — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:01:22 -0800

Wait, the tides will be 25'. Isn't NO ten feet below sea level? That makes 35' total water depth. Did I miscalculate? Alas, yes. You forgot to add in the waves on top of the storm surge. The storm surge is the rise in water caused by the very focused low pressure zone created by/creating the hurricane. It's exactly like sucking on a soda straw, but larger -- about a megaSlashdotFlamewar worth of suck. NO averages only 6' below MSL, but as the topographic map shows, there's variation. But, by and large, vast parts of the city are at or below MSL, and most of the city is surrounded by very high walls holding back Lake Pochintrain and the Mississippi. Thus, the bowl -- and it doesn't help if your walls keep out a 20' flood if you're hit by a 30' flood. Worse, the walls just keep the water in. New Orleans has a huge pumping system to keep things behind the walls dry -- but the pumps can't work if they're underwater. Topo notes: Elevation curves are every 5', MSL is marked with a double 00. "BM #" is a benchmark, the number is the altitude above MSL. The large building with a ring is the Superdome. North, next to Charity House, is the closes benchmark I could find on the map. It is two feet above Mean Sea Level. Two. You'll note several double digit elevations near the lake and river. These are the levees. Most of the levees top at 20 feet MSL.

By: tiamat

tiamat — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:03:27 -0800

At least in NO ppl seem to be taking this seriously. When the little class-1 hit Halifax 2 years ago people didn't believe it was going to happen, almost no one was prepared. We were lucky only one person died due to the storm, but there was a lot of damage that could have been avoided if people had taken it more seriously.

By: bumpkin

bumpkin — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:09:39 -0800

Unbelievable: THIS IS FROM THE NWS IN NEW ORLEANS..DEVESTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE IN 1969. MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS..PERHAPS LONGER. AT LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL LEAVING MOST HOMES DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BE NON FUNCTIONAL. PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD FRAME LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME WALL AND ROOF FAILURE. HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT. AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS..PETS..AND LIVESTOCK WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK..POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS..AND MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS..THE VAST MAJORITY OF TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED ONLY THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT TOTALLY DEFOLIATED..FEW CROPS WILL REMAIN, LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE KILLED.. And of course, that's the least of it. There's the 20 + ft. storm surge, 50 - 80 ft. waves on top of that, a pumping system that can't pump, days or weeks of no infrastructure, no services.

By: muckster

muckster — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:19:13 -0800

So what else is it going to take before we finally all agree that global warming is real?

By: jokeefe

jokeefe — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:21:43 -0800

bumpkin, do you have a link for that?

By: clavdivs

clavdivs — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:22:57 -0800

Katrina targets New Orleans how dare "she" "Target" an american city.

By: somethingotherthan

somethingotherthan — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:23:41 -0800

Evacuation has gone on as planned, but now they are starting to urge people to go west instead of north because of Katrina's projected path on land - wind damage is almost assured up to I-20 in AL/MS, and tropical storm warnings have been issued for the Tennessee valley later this week. Needless to say, I really hope people have considered going west instead of north if they had the choice.

By: mothershock

mothershock — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:24:22 -0800

It seems to be from the National Weather Service and is quoted here, the Times Picayune breaking news weblog.

By: somethingotherthan

somethingotherthan — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:24:49 -0800

bumpkin's bulletin was read on the Weather Channel so I'm going to assume it was a NOAA bulletin. Links have been posted upthread to that site.

By: mothershock

mothershock — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:24:55 -0800

bumpkins' quote, that is.

By: moonbird

moonbird — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:28:16 -0800

Live streaming news broadcast.

By: PurplePorpoise

PurplePorpoise — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:29:42 -0800

jokeefe - DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED.

By: cavalier

cavalier — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:37:16 -0800

Can we chill with the trolling for global warming/bush policies/etc? Hurricanes have happened since forever. As a Floridian who's been through several Hurricanes, including south west Miami for Andrew (!), shit happens. For every few years we humans start to think we're so advanced and we have cell phones and TV and Heart surgery and we've got this mother nature thing licked. Then Gaia shows up and hands us our ass. Praying for all north of the Gulf!

By: turbodog

turbodog — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:39:51 -0800

We have a lot of family and friends in NO and we're quite worried about the city. All of our family has evacuated except for my brother-in-law who is a photographer with the Times-Picayune. He's holed up on the 5th floor of a government building with the police and the fire department. Wish him luck.

By: muckster

muckster — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:50:58 -0800

I'm not trolling, cavalier, and I didn't mention Bush. Yes, there have always been hurricanes, but this is, what, the largest hurricane ever seen in the Gulf, and the eleventh this year, as opposed to an average of four? They're getting stronger, there are more of them, but oh well shit happens I guess.

By: item

item — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:58:11 -0800

Holy god. ColdChef hasn't posted today, but he was posting last night from NOLA. I really hope him and his have gotten the hell out of there. I would think CC has more important matters to attend to right now than Metafilter. I wish everyone in New Orleans - my favorite of American cities - the safest through this.

By: MotorNeuron

MotorNeuron — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:00:28 -0800

I just put our phone number up on my web page (Joesurveyor.com). We are in Lafayette, La and lots of evacuees are passing through here. Please call if you need a place to stay. Good luck all!!

By: fionab

fionab — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:29:26 -0800

"My memory is muddy, what's this river that I'm in New Orleans is sinkin' man and I don't wanna swim" Good luck, everyone. ColdChef posted in MetaChat that he's ok and close to Baton Rouge.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:34:33 -0800

I would think CC has more important matters to attend to right now than Metafilter. You would think, wouldn't you? Hi, everyone, from the path of destruction. We've spent the day preparing here. We've got water, food, generators, gas. We'll probably lose electricity and internet connections later tonight, but I'll try to check in when I can. Just to make it clear, I'm not in New Orleans. I'm heading towards my parent's house, north of Baton Rouge. Still in the path of the storm, but not in the floodzone. We're scared shitless here, but hoping for the best. At this point, though, it seems likely that New Orleans will soon be completely under water. My wife and I have spent the past few hours crying about all the restaurants and bars and bookstores and art galleries that we're likely to never see again. It's like the death of a friend, both literally and figuratively. Thanks for all of the well wishes. I promise not to take unnecessary risks. We should weather this storm fine. (by we, I mean my immediate family and friends). What will happen after the storm is the terrifying unknown. We're hearing about the possibility of millions of homeless people, the deaths of tens of thousands. An unfathomable strike at the heart of our state, and...well...nation. We knew this day was coming.

By: Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs

Emperor Yamamoto's Eggs — Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:36:11 -0800

I'm not sure what to say, ColdChef, except that you and yours are in our thoughts.