Why is everybody mad about the cups?

September 21, 2005 12:32 PM

Why is everybody mad about the cups?

Last month there were those who were mad about “made-in-Israel-paper cups” at the King Khaled National Guard Hospital in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Now it’s a quote from novelist Armistead Maupin inscribed on Starbucks coffee cups at Baylor University that have made others mad!

Concerned Women for America charged that Starbucks is promoting a homosexual agenda with some paper cups containing Maupin’s quote:

"My only regret about being gay is that I repressed it for so long. I surrendered my youth to the people I feared when I could have been out there loving someone. Don't make that mistake yourself. Life's too damn short."

CWA demanded that the cups containing the quote be removed from campus. Baylor Dining Services complied with the request.

(What exactly is the “homosexual agenda”?)
posted by ericb (95 comments total)

In many respects members of the CWA would be quite at home in Saudi Arabia.
posted by gwint at 12:35 PM on September 21, 2005

Those ladies are downright obsessed with gays.
posted by goodasyou at 12:36 PM on September 21, 2005

"Bob Knight, director of CWA’s Culture & Family Institute"

Someone please tell me that the director is Roberta and not Robert, otherwise my head might explode.
posted by Keith Talent at 12:42 PM on September 21, 2005

Well, hell. Don't you just hate it when Starbucks gives you a reason to stop boycotting them for their vile business practices? Maybe I'll just buy a couple of lattes next week as a minor token of my appreciation.
posted by Decani at 12:43 PM on September 21, 2005

Baylor is a Baptist-affiliated school in Texas. Why does this surprise anyone?

Linda Ricks, Marketing Program Manager of Baylor Dining Services, said Baylor Dining Services agreed to get rid of the cups out of respect for "Baylor culture."

"There are different view points on the Baylor campus," Ricks said. "We pulled the cup to be sensitive to view points."

Apparently, some view points are more worth being sensitive toward than others...
posted by mkultra at 12:44 PM on September 21, 2005

Fuck , there goes my head.
posted by Keith Talent at 12:45 PM on September 21, 2005

We have a whole section dedicated to the CWFA's antics on our site

Good As You: CWFA section

And yes, Robert Knight is a (woefully misguided) man
posted by goodasyou at 12:47 PM on September 21, 2005

The Way I See It #23
"Chances are you are scared of fictions. Chances are you are only fleetingly happy. Chances are you know much less than you think you do. Chances are you feel a little guilty. Chances are you want people to lie to you. Perhaps the answer lies on the side of a coffee cup. You are lost."

-- David Cross
Comedian, writer, actor.
posted by 23skidoo at 12:53 PM on September 21, 2005

Baylor culture!
posted by peep at 12:53 PM on September 21, 2005

Keith, it's kind of like how Sean Hannity, Grover Norquist and Gary Bauer are all Black Republican leaders.
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:54 PM on September 21, 2005

My girlfriend wrote a blog post about this at the end of August: "Venti Omosessuale"
posted by jefgodesky at 12:55 PM on September 21, 2005

(What exactly is the “homosexual agenda”?)

Whatever it is, it obviously involves subliminal psychology, coffee cups, and Starbucks in a nefarious way.
posted by Rothko at 1:04 PM on September 21, 2005

Surely all that goes without saying.
posted by sonofsamiam at 1:04 PM on September 21, 2005

I need to start referring to the struggle for civil rights by any group of people I feel squeamish about as an "agenda".

This way, I can more easily dismiss their plight as a vague threat to my well-being and feel better about my ignorant, hateful, incorrect viewpoint, instead of attempting to change myself for the better to become a more accepting person.

I mean, what sort of Concerned Christian does that when hate is so much more pleasing to Almighty God?

I feel dumber for even attempting to get into their mindset now...
posted by wakko at 1:07 PM on September 21, 2005

People still buy coffee at Starbucks? Suckers.
posted by fenriq at 1:08 PM on September 21, 2005

Let them keep up the attacks; it helps the causes of reason, fairness, and decency everytime they speak. We, for one, are working on a daily basis to publicize their every misguided move.
posted by goodasyou at 1:10 PM on September 21, 2005

Keith, it's kind of like how Sean Hannity, Grover Norquist and Gary Bauer are all Black Republican leaders.

I'm constantly amazed that professional comedians are able to earn a living when comedy like this is available for free.
posted by Keith Talent at 1:12 PM on September 21, 2005

I'm more surprised that they actually sell stimulants like coffee at Baylor. What year did they end their dance restriction?
posted by Pollomacho at 1:13 PM on September 21, 2005

Now it’s a quote from novelist Armistead Maupin inscribed on Starbucks coffee cups at Baylor University that have made others mad!

No, Armistead Maupin doesn't make anyone mad, except perhaps for the Intelligent Design chimpanzees at Baylor.

The quote which made everyone mad was the one by the guy who came up with the Monkey Eating Surrender Cheeses. Fortunately, I can't remember that guy's name, and neither can anyone else.
posted by nervousfritz at 1:18 PM on September 21, 2005

I remember there was a 'black republican' booked on some TV show, but the particular black guy was busy, so the president of the black republican club came on. And he was white. :P
posted by delmoi at 1:23 PM on September 21, 2005

This just HAS to be a man! Bev. LaHaye, you done been clocked girl!
posted by mds35 at 1:23 PM on September 21, 2005

Are most of the people at these "christian universities" in some kind of semi-mentally-ill state of denial of the nature of the western world or something?
posted by snoktruix at 1:24 PM on September 21, 2005

Cones piss people off, too.
posted by mds35 at 1:26 PM on September 21, 2005

Which leads me to wonder, do ice cream cones have "lids" in the U.K.?
posted by mds35 at 1:27 PM on September 21, 2005

What are Starbuck's vile business practices? They pay my health insurance and I don't even work there!
posted by ryanissuper at 1:27 PM on September 21, 2005

Its a good thing these cups were pulled. I mean, you wouldnt want to get any of "The Gay" on you as you were sipping your half-caf, soy, vanilla, pumpkin, maple crunch latte.
posted by Davidicus at 1:28 PM on September 21, 2005

The series portray the homosexual community in San Francisco during the 1970s and 1980s. The series is available at the Moody Library.

-snip-

Linda Ricks, Marketing Program Manager of Baylor Dining Services, said Baylor Dining Services agreed to get rid of the cups out of respect for "Baylor culture."

Shouldn't they also pull the books from the library? And burn them?
posted by Uccellina at 1:29 PM on September 21, 2005

(What exactly is the “homosexual agenda”?)

Acceptance, not there's anything wrong with that.

This is in fact how far-right-wingers define the “homosexual agenda”: the use of politics and media to make homosexuality socially acceptable. In a word: acceptance. If that's not plain bogotry I don't know what is.
posted by StarForce5 at 1:35 PM on September 21, 2005

Does this mean I have to get up in arms about the Christian "agenda" being pushed by the In 'n Out corporation now? Does this mean I have to stop eating animal style double-doubles at any opportunity. Please, god, no, say it isn't so.

(In 'n Out puts tiny little biblical verses on the inside bottom lip of all their soda cups, in case I'm being really really vague here...)
posted by dvdgee at 1:35 PM on September 21, 2005

What exactly is the “homosexual agenda”?

1. Steal underpants

2. ?

3. Profits!
posted by ZenMasterThis at 1:37 PM on September 21, 2005

When people say "the Christian agenda" they apparently get this warm, fuzzy feeling, like Santa Claus and shepherds and sweet little babies all rolled into one.

Which is kind of strange, when you consider what Christians really want.

I'd sooner have the gay agenda, any time. Whatever the fuck it is. And I'm straight.
posted by cleardawn at 1:47 PM on September 21, 2005

Why are "Concerned" and "family" so often code for "hate-filled religious zealot"?
posted by Malenfant at 1:50 PM on September 21, 2005 [1 favorite has favorites]

The Homosexual Agenda.

Watch out for 6:07-6:45 PM you fucks!
posted by WolfDaddy at 1:53 PM on September 21, 2005

I'm starting a group called "Concerned African American Women For Wholesome Marriage", but I need someone to head it. Does anyone know if Jeff Gannon is busy?
posted by maryh at 1:54 PM on September 21, 2005

The fact that this is even an issue is just so... disheartening. However, Davidicus's comment is wonderful.
posted by zerolives at 1:59 PM on September 21, 2005

Last Saturday, I got some starbucks in a coffee cup with some a quote from Johah Goldberg on it, in which he damns liberals. Since I found it mildly offensive, do I have a grievance as well?
posted by psmealey at 2:02 PM on September 21, 2005

I knew Starbucks was gay, but I didn't know it was gay.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 2:06 PM on September 21, 2005

Gosh. I hope the homosexual agenda involves hugs for everyone. Even the scary/hateful un-christians. I like hugs.
posted by weirdoactor at 2:07 PM on September 21, 2005

What exactly is the “homosexual agenda”?

TO GET PLO CHOPS FROM OTHER MEN, TO SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU, UND HEAR THE LAMENTATIONS OF THE WOMEN
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 2:07 PM on September 21, 2005

As an ex-Baylor student, I consider it a fun little victory that those cups were even there to begin with, for the short time they were. I used to laugh all the time over the petty little things the Baylor students and administration would do to try and preserve the facade of wholesomeness. Because for the most part, that's all it is.
posted by repo at 2:08 PM on September 21, 2005

Hmm, isn't the basic problem that anyone's 'agenda' of any sort is appearing on Starbucks cups?

There's a million things to argue about and always will be. All I'm looking for at Starbucks is to prevent an imminent caffeine withdrawal headache, to catch a break. I'm not looking to absorb anyone elses political, sociological, or philosophical headache at that particular time...
posted by scheptech at 2:08 PM on September 21, 2005

well, thank God that now, if a Christian reverend/politician/activist gets caught giving some oral affection to a cute muscle boy in a public restroom, he'll be at least able to say that Starbucks' gay satanic coffee made him do it
posted by matteo at 2:20 PM on September 21, 2005

What year did they end their dance restriction?

Almost ten years ago.
posted by grouse at 2:22 PM on September 21, 2005

(What exactly is the “homosexual agenda”?)

Acceptance, not there's anything wrong with that.

Why bother trying to be accepted by people who aren't interested in making the same effort?
posted by Witty at 2:26 PM on September 21, 2005

Why are Christians often the least Christian people in society?
posted by hardcoreUFO at 2:29 PM on September 21, 2005

People still buy coffee at Starbucks? Suckers.

"Suckers" in the sense that I enjoy hot coffee? I'm fascinated by your views and I must subscribe to your newsletter.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 2:30 PM on September 21, 2005

What exactly is the “homosexual agenda”?

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posted by mazola at 2:34 PM on September 21, 2005

OPENING Chairperson bring meeting to order and opens with a welcome. She can ask a member to prepare a "thought for the day" to set the tone of the meeting.

Is "Chairperson" short for "Chair Personager"
posted by delmoi at 2:52 PM on September 21, 2005

Why bother trying to be accepted by people who aren't interested in making the same effort?

The point is to be accepted by the majority of americans, who are maliable, like clay.
posted by delmoi at 2:53 PM on September 21, 2005

Mazola, you missed out HUGE ORGY. I mean seriously, otherwise, what's the point? You might as well join the Rotary club.
posted by Sparx at 2:56 PM on September 21, 2005

Are they not?
posted by Witty at 2:56 PM on September 21, 2005

What exactly is the “homosexual agenda”?

1. Steal underpants

2. ?

3. Profits!
posted by ZenMasterThis at 1:37 PM PST on September 21 [!]

Not to be offensive or anything, but I'm quite sure that Phase 3 is actually buttsex.
posted by iron chef morimoto at 2:59 PM on September 21, 2005

see you pee
posted by wfrgms at 3:04 PM on September 21, 2005

At least no one's declared a jihad on Starbucks. Burger King just avoided one themselves.
posted by loquax at 3:05 PM on September 21, 2005

KevinSkomsvold writes "'Suckers' in the sense that I enjoy hot coffee? I'm fascinated by your views and I must subscribe to your newsletter."

No, no. His observation is at the same time more subtle and more blunt than you think. You see, as Starbucks is now actively promoting the homosexual agenda, they are turning their costumers into, yes, you get it, "suckers".

As it is, I also have some difficult understanding how someone would pay US$ 7 for a cup of coffee. In my country (Brazil) I would have to look real hard for someplace selling coffee this expensive. And then again I might not find it, even in 5 stars hotels room service bills.
posted by nkyad at 3:16 PM on September 21, 2005

I care about gay rights more than womens rights, so I'll go back to drinking at starbucks. But I still won't give those Tmoble f*cktard a dime for their worthless wifi which should be free with the coffee.
posted by jeffburdges at 3:16 PM on September 21, 2005

Kevin, I like hot coffee too, I just don't really like paying $5 for a cup of it with some attitude on the side. I brew my own at home for a buck a pot and it tastes better than anything I've gotten at Starbucks, except for that Caramel Machiato thingie I got like two years ago when I last stepped foot inside one (and it was for a meeting with a photographer).

The greatest trick Starbucks ever pulled on the people is to trick them into paying $5 for fifty cents worth of coffee, makes for some pretty juicy profit margins, I'd think.
posted by fenriq at 3:36 PM on September 21, 2005

nkyad, nice twist! I hadn't actually considered the suckage angle of the homosexual agenda. And its easy to get a $7 cup of coffee here, just ask the bartender to add some Bailey's or some Jameson's and voila, seven buck cup of coffee that's actually close to worth it.
posted by fenriq at 3:38 PM on September 21, 2005

That's weird. If they were so profitable, you'd think they'd be all over the place by now.
posted by iron chef morimoto at 3:38 PM on September 21, 2005

Loquax: the copyeditor responsible for the headline must've been holding back something fierce to avoid putting in "sacrilicious."
posted by chrominance at 3:45 PM on September 21, 2005

Its a good thing these cups were pulled. I mean, you wouldnt want to get any of "The Gay" on you as you were sipping your half-caf, soy, vanilla, pumpkin, maple crunch latte.
posted by Davidicus at 4:28 PM EST on September 21 [!]

Awesome.
posted by Rothko at 3:45 PM on September 21, 2005

My only complaint about Starbucks coffee is that there's too much roast and not enough bean.

It's not like the independant coffee shops are any cheaper, after all.
posted by I Love Tacos at 3:46 PM on September 21, 2005

fenriq, a picture's worth a thousand cuppas.
posted by WolfDaddy at 3:46 PM on September 21, 2005

I'm really sick of people preaching intolerance under the heading of Christianity.
posted by dindin at 3:47 PM on September 21, 2005

Oh, and this was to be expected.

Baylor exists solely to make overprotective parents feel like their kids are "safe" from the world.

The CWA exists to make money by generating outrage.
posted by I Love Tacos at 3:48 PM on September 21, 2005

makes for some pretty juicy profit margins

Last week I found the following to be interesting:

"Starbucks will spend more on health insurance for its employees this year than on raw materials needed to brew its coffee, Chairman Howard Schultz said Wednesday as he decried a health care crisis that could soon overwhelm U.S. businesses.

...Starbucks has about 100,000 employees worldwide, Schultz said, including about 65 percent who work part-time. Increasingly, the company is hiring older workers, who are attracted in large part by the company's generous benefits, he said.

Lest anyone get the idea the company is altruistic, Schultz said its benefits policy is a key reason Starbucks has low employee turnover and high productivity - facts he said were reflected in the company's increased stock price, which has more than doubled in the past five years." [Associated Press | September 14, 2005]

posted by ericb at 4:00 PM on September 21, 2005

Are most of the people at these "christian universities" in some kind of semi-mentally-ill state of denial of the nature of the western world or something?

As someone who attended one for 2.5 years, I can safely say the answer to that question is yes.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 4:17 PM on September 21, 2005 [1 favorite has favorites]

WolfDaddy, Mmmmmm, profit margin!

ericb, I heard that news piece as well and it blew my mind. Don't get me wrong, they're a good company to work for, I'm just not one of the willing who'll hand over $5 plus tip for a cup of coffee.

dindin, here here. I would become an instant believer if God would simply smite a few of these charlatans preaching in his name, like Pat Robertson should get a lightning bolt right up his six.
posted by fenriq at 4:37 PM on September 21, 2005

Baylor is a Baptist-affiliated school in Texas. Why does this surprise anyone?
The real issue here is: property rights. The wrong imho is the making of the issue and likewise (the man in the comment, not the poster) charlatans preaching in his name, like Pat Robertson. Alas, living in Dallas, Tx the last thing that crosses my mind when hearing "Baylor" is their Christian affiliation.
posted by thomcatspike at 4:52 PM on September 21, 2005

Why are the Women Concerned only for America?

Isn't Starbucks selling its homosexual coffee all over this global world of globalisation, as Thomas Friedman would say?

Shouldn't the women be concerned about all Peoples of the Earth? Are they not all childen of the light, to be saved from the darkness of gay? Is it not their jihad, too?

I am deeply offended by the unchristian indifference of the CWA to the plight of worldwide Starbucks consumers, they have no one to defend them against the surreptious introduction of the homosexual agenda in cup form. It's just a shame the CWA is not selling anything or I could blackmail them into changing their label.
posted by funambulist at 4:52 PM on September 21, 2005

$5 plus tip for a cup of coffee

I rarely go to Starbucks -- but, while traveling this past week I had a large (Venti) brewed coffee at Boston's Logan and Dallas/Fort Worth airports. Each came out to be about $2.85. Granted that's a premium price, but very much in keeping with the local coffee shop around the corner from where I live.

The fancy-schmancy drinks, however, are expensive -- and more akin to consuming a dessert treat (just check out the contents, calories and fat amounts).
posted by ericb at 4:55 PM on September 21, 2005

fenriq, if you're paying $5 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks you must be getting one mighty frou-frou concoction containing rare-earth metals and obscure herbs from uncontacted indigenous tribesmen. A drip coffee runs between one and two dollars depending on which of their cutely-named sizes you get. Espresso drinks maybe 30% more at most. I know this because there's one downstairs from my office and little else even remotely convenient. Oh, and tipping is not compulsory for counter service.
posted by George_Spiggott at 4:55 PM on September 21, 2005

fancy-schmancy = frou-frou concoction
posted by ericb at 5:01 PM on September 21, 2005

fancy-schmancy = frou-frou concoction

Oh shit, we've just proven that Starbucks is gay, gay, gay !!!
posted by ericb at 5:01 PM on September 21, 2005

"Why bother trying to be accepted by people who aren't interested in making the same effort?"

Civil Rights and all the government cheese that goes with it. It's got to be nauseating to the gay community that the divorce rate is over 50% in this country and they aren't even allowed the same chance at failure.
posted by j.p. Hung at 5:29 PM on September 21, 2005

they aren't even allowed the same chance at failure

Well, at least here in Massachusetts we gays can marry!
posted by ericb at 5:39 PM on September 21, 2005

Now now, j.p. that's 50% of all first marriages.
posted by WolfDaddy at 5:53 PM on September 21, 2005

Clearly the Uptight Agenda has taken over Starbucks, whatever the lifestyle orientation. Does anyone even remember the "Sacred Whore" logo?
posted by Triode at 6:05 PM on September 21, 2005

Hmm. People are so weird. Why do those *weird* Christians (as opposed to 'normal' Christians) get so uptight about homosexuality as opposed to all the REALLY fucked up things that people do. I thought the whole idea of Christianity is that we're all sinners or whatever and that people shouldn't be judgemental 'cos nobody is perfect etc etc (i.e. let he who is without sin throw the first stone etc). Yet these nutters obsess over it.

As I've pointed out before here on MF, I'm kinda anti-homosexuality, in that I think it's WEIRD to wanna bang your own gender. But on the other hand I don't really care if it makes people happy. I think people who get upset about other people being homosexual is just silly, or actually worse in that it's stupid. I don't get why people get so upset over something like sexual preference whilst there's so many more important things to be pissed off over. People just seem so paranoid...

And it always seems silly to me to be fighting for women's rights or gay rights or whatever.. I always thought we should just fight for human rights and that should be enough, whatever your gender or sexual preference is. But I guess as long as we have these weirdos freaking out and trying to control other people that are just trying to live their lives and be happy... like everyone else.... well maybe we do need special emphasis on these things. Sigh. People suck.
posted by Jelreyn at 6:07 PM on September 21, 2005

what about us unemployed skank homos who really DO want to destroy the nuclear family AND corny spa-loving musclequeens, with equal fervor? Does Jesus speak for us as well?
posted by gorgor_balabala at 6:27 PM on September 21, 2005

"I like your Christ
I do not like your Christians.
They are so unlike your Christ."
- Gandhi
posted by infomaniac at 6:29 PM on September 21, 2005

I recommend this local coffee place. They even host all-ages emo sometimes.
posted by davy at 6:55 PM on September 21, 2005

ericb posted "What exactly is the “homosexual agenda”?"

It's a pink Day Runner, I think.
posted by clevershark at 7:03 PM on September 21, 2005

I do have a homosexual agenda. I want every gay teen to have a better adolescence than I did. Actually, I grew up in the upper midwest, so this isn't much. I want every gay teen to have a much better childhood than I did-- a kiss at the prom, a feeling of well being, etc.

I have to say, though. Ratzi the Nazi is doing his part by running gays out of the Catholic church. Gay priests (the none-pedophiles I mean) deserve a fuck of a lot better than the Catholic church of the 21st century. Go forth and not hate yourselves, my brethern.
posted by gesamtkunstwerk at 7:31 PM on September 21, 2005

Here'a a school that makes Baylor look a really really liberal, albeit accredited school. :BJU
posted by longsleeves at 7:54 PM on September 21, 2005

"half-caf, soy, vanilla, pumpkin, maple crunch latte."
When I dated a girl from Spain, that was the sort of thing she used to love to order at Starbucks.
She'd reply to my protests: "Why not? All your American coffee is shit anyway. If I can't get real coffee, I might as well drink your made-up drinks."
Oh, and the entire Baylor women's lacrosse team, as of three years ago, lived together in one house and was exclusively lesbian. In a move that shocked her parents, a girl who had an internship with me "became" gay by joining the team, then moving in with them.
When she first went to college, she was just good at lacrosse! She even had a chaste boyfriend and led prayer services! Then she started living with lesbians and then having sex with lesbians and then all of the sudden, she was a lesbian.
Luckily for her parents, she still votes Republican and goes to Baptist services.
(Part of the reason why the religious right may be so afraid of teh gay is that so many of them are so repressed that the sudden realization that they're gay and have been all along is really frightening to the rest of the repressed folks that just don't know whether they're gay or have simply never had hetero sex because they love the LORD).
posted by klangklangston at 9:14 PM on September 21, 2005

BJU? BJU?! I want to graduate from BJU! Or be a professor!
posted by WolfDaddy at 9:20 PM on September 21, 2005

The best part about BJU:

• Residence hall students may not watch videos above a G rating when visiting homes in town and may not attend movie theaters.
• All weapons must be turned in for storage. Trigger locks are required for pistols. Fireworks are not permitted on campus.

So they're allowed to have guns (as long as they're stored somewhere with a trigger lock) but not even allowed to see a PG-13 movie? Wow. I mean, wow.
posted by vernondalhart at 10:41 PM on September 21, 2005

New Age, jazz, rock, and country music is not permitted.

Then there's always funk, soul and dance music.
posted by raysmj at 10:49 PM on September 21, 2005

Yeah, I was looking at my collection, and almost none of it falls under any of those categories. So other than not being a christian, I'm pretty much set to go there. Well, at least to listen to music.
posted by vernondalhart at 10:55 PM on September 21, 2005

Do they still have the "no interracial dating" rule at Bob Jones?

That leaves me out right there, since I could care less what color my girlfriend is, as long as she's really cool.

Silly frightened hater monkeys. Whatever.
posted by zoogleplex at 11:11 PM on September 21, 2005

The homosexual agenda is about the same as the Negro agenda was back in the sixties. The only difference is the thing that makes us different is usually less obvious.
posted by deusdiabolus at 2:50 AM on September 22, 2005

This quote needs repeating:

"I like your Christ
I do not like your Christians.
They are so unlike your Christ."
- Gandhi

This is what organized religion has done.
Like they said in Dogma, "It was a good idea, more like a suggestion really."
So often it seems the best practicioners of the example of Christ wouldn't come within a hundred yards of a "christian" church.

Having said that, there are also a great many good people who are truly Christian. These folks would never judge or turn their backs on others different from themselves. As such they seldom get any media attention as they quietly go about serving and loving others. No missing rich white girls or lurid sex tales to report, so it isn't newsworthy.
posted by nofundy at 9:25 AM on September 22, 2005

vernondalhart

That is absolutely awesome. Too bad it's at the bottom of a huge thread where no one will see it.

Ironically, I think just having a gun in a movie, even if it isn't fired, makes it PG.
posted by iron chef morimoto at 11:53 AM on September 22, 2005

Apropos of nothing, I would like to point out to everyone present that Baylor College of Medicine is in no way affiliated with Baylor University. It is not religious, and it does offer benefits to same-sex partners.

This is not relevant to the discussion. I just try to bring it up anytime Baylor University and the craziness thereof is mentioned.
posted by LittleMissCranky at 11:54 AM on September 22, 2005