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	<title>Comments on: Google starts an internal futures market</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:34:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Google starts an internal futures market</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/26/business/26google.html?ei=5090&amp;en=c171e8934faa7fc1&amp;ex=1285387200&amp;partner=rssuserland&amp;emc=rss&amp;pagewanted=print"&gt;Google&apos;s Crystal Ball::NYTimes.&lt;/a&gt; Quite interesting...Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techdirt.com&quot;&gt;TechDirt&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Google has created a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market&quot;&gt;predictive market system&lt;/a&gt;, basically a way for its employees to bet on the likelihood of possible events. Such markets have long been used to predict world events, like election results. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.intrade.com/&quot;&gt;Intrade&lt;/a&gt;, part of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tradesports.com/aav2/TEN/TENhome.html&quot;&gt;Trade Exchange Network&lt;/a&gt;, allows people to bet on elections, stock market indexes and even the weather, for example.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I wonder &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogpulse.com/trend?query1=%22George+W.+Bush%22+%22resign%22&amp;label1=Bush%2Bresign&amp;query2=%22George+W.+Bush%22+%22impeach%22&amp;label2=Bush%2Bimpeach&amp;query3=%22George+W.+Bush%22+%22third+term%22&amp;label3=Bush%2Bthird%2Bterm&amp;days=90&amp;x=20&amp;y=11&quot;&gt;how accurate &lt;/a&gt;the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogpulse.com/trend?query1=Microsoft&amp;label1=Microsoft&amp;query2=Mac&amp;label2=Mac&amp;query3=Linux&amp;label3=Linux&amp;days=90&amp;x=47&amp;y=6&quot;&gt;aggregated content&lt;/a&gt; of blogs would be to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogpulse.com/trend?query1=%22Playstation+3%22+or+PS3&amp;label1=PS3&amp;query2=%22XBOX+360%22+or+%22XBOX360%22&amp;label2=XBOX+360&amp;query3=%22Nintendo+Revolution%22&amp;label3=Nintendo+Revolution&amp;days=60&amp;x=27&amp;y=7&quot;&gt;measure the likelihood &lt;/a&gt;of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogpulse.com/trend?query1=hurricane+texas&amp;label1=hurricane+texas&amp;query2=hurricane+louisiana&amp;label2=hurricane+louisiana&amp;query3=hurricane+florida&amp;label3=hurricane+florida&amp;days=90&amp;x=46&amp;y=8&quot;&gt;prospective real world events&lt;/a&gt;?  The economist they consulted, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~hal/&quot;&gt;Hal R. Varian&lt;/a&gt;, has some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/resources/infoecon/&quot;&gt;interesting links &lt;/a&gt;on his web page as well.  I think that the internet better get their anti-spam technology up to par before we have people &quot;gaming&quot; the future through blogspam.  For an explanation of Futures Markets (&lt;a href=&quot;http://futures.tradingcharts.com/menu.html&quot;&gt;charts&lt;/a&gt;), see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cftc.gov/opa/brochures/opaeconpurp.htm&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; at the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 05:51:22 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rzklkng</dc:creator>		<category>futurist</category>		<category>predictive</category>		<category>gambling</category>		<category>hedge</category>		<category>blog</category>		<category>intelligence</category>		<category>information</category>		<category>data</category>
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		<title>By: mkultra</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45394/Google-starts-an-internal-futures-market#1056784</link>	
		<description>What makes Google&apos;s system any different from any others?

The idea of using, effectively, search results, is interesting. Especially in light of Google&apos;s moves into mail and IM, which they&apos;ve made clear are fair game for their analysis. Your point about people gaming the system is well-taken. It&apos;s very cyberpunk, the thought of a few hackers attempting to sway global predictive models with chatbots.</description>
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		<title>By: Plutor</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45394/Google-starts-an-internal-futures-market#1056793</link>	
		<description>The Google blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/putting-crowd-wisdom-to-work.html&quot;&gt;discussed this&lt;/a&gt; the other day.  The system does &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; use searches or search results, it uses employees opinions.  Granted, Googlers are probably pretty well-connected and informed, as webizens go, which probably accounts for the accuracy.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:42:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: warbaby</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45394/Google-starts-an-internal-futures-market#1056858</link>	
		<description>Sounds a lot like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iwar.org.uk/news-archive/tia/futuremap-program.htm&quot;&gt;DARPA &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eff.org/Privacy/TIA/futuremap.php&quot;&gt;FutureMAP &lt;/a&gt;project, eh?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:51:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nofundy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45394/Google-starts-an-internal-futures-market#1056907</link>	
		<description>The book &quot;The Fourth Turning&quot; goes into soem depth regarding the cyclical nature of history and how events can be predicted to some degree using history as a tool.  

I think the granularity and precision timewise are the keys to accurate predictions.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:49:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Plutor</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45394/Google-starts-an-internal-futures-market#1056915</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/45394#1056907&quot;&gt;nofundy&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;&lt;i&gt;The book &quot;The Fourth Turning&quot; goes into soem depth regarding the cyclical nature of history and how events can be predicted to some degree using history as a tool.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;/small&gt;

OT, I&apos;m reading that thing right now.  It&apos;s a deep, dense, genius tome.  It&apos;s going to take me forever to get through it.  It reminds me of some of my books for Humanities courses at college.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:00:33 -0800</pubDate>
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