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	<title>Comments on: Early Adventures with the Automobile</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Early Adventures with the Automobile</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile</link>	
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We can run our car over any road that a man can take a team of horses and a wagon, providing we can get traction.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;In 1903, to settle a $50 bet, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Nelson_Jackson&quot;&gt;Horatio Nelson Jackson&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/exhibition/exhibition_7_2.html&quot;&gt;became the first person&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/gallery/index.php?gallery=1338705&amp;slide=2&quot;&gt;drive&lt;/a&gt; (and &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_422.html&quot;&gt;push&lt;/a&gt;) a car (a used &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_24.html&quot;&gt;Winton&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/horatio/car/image01.html&quot;&gt;touring car&lt;/a&gt;, which had no roof or windshield) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/horatio/sea/&quot;&gt;across the United States&lt;/a&gt;, accompanied by mechanic Sewall Crocker and &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/image_101.html&quot;&gt;Bud the bulldog&lt;/a&gt;. There were no gas stations, and there was less than 150 miles of paved road in the country. They blew a tire 15 miles into the trip and replaced it with their only spare.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;

Jackson&apos;s trip &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/auto.htm&quot;&gt;inspired&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/exhibition/exhibition_7_3.html&quot;&gt;others&lt;/a&gt;. In 1909, &lt;a href=&quot;http://accelerateu.org/assessments/Ela8/FromCoastToCoast.htm&quot;&gt;Alice Ramsey&lt;/a&gt;, accompanied by three female passengers, became &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.undelete.org/woa/woa06-09.html#1&quot;&gt;the first woman&lt;/a&gt; to drive (and &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_470.html&quot;&gt;pull&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_471.html&quot;&gt;push&lt;/a&gt;) a car &lt;a href=&quot;http://accelerateu.org/assessments/Ela8/FromCoastToCoast.htm&quot;&gt;across the country&lt;/a&gt;. In 1915, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_King&quot;&gt;Anita King&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.welcometosilentmovies.com/features/king/anitaking.htm&quot;&gt;&quot;The Paramount Girl,&quot;&lt;/a&gt; became the first woman to drive across the country &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lincoln-highway-museum.org/King/King-Index.html&quot;&gt;solo&lt;/a&gt;. &quot;Her only companions will be a rifle and a six shooter.&quot; And in 2003, Peter Kesling &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/27/MN106415.DTL&quot;&gt;repeated&lt;/a&gt; Jackson&apos;s trip&lt;/a&gt;, in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/27/MN106415.DTL&amp;o=0&quot;&gt;a 1903 Winton&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:40:11 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kirkaracha</dc:creator>		<category>cross-country</category>		<category>automobiles</category>		<category>transcontinental</category>
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		<title>By: fixedgear</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058413</link>	
		<description>Made a great PBS special a few years ago, too.</description>
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		<title>By: ericb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058418</link>	
		<description>Ken Burns&apos; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/horatio/index.html&quot;&gt;Horatio&apos;s Drive&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:45:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Plutor</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058420</link>	
		<description>Fantastic post, kirkaracha.  Astounding.  Inspired by Wikipedia&apos;s featured article today (Anita King)?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:46:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kirkaracha</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058431</link>	
		<description>Yep, I saw the article about her and did some digging.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:54:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: billysumday</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058438</link>	
		<description>Don&apos;t forget Theodore Dreiser&apos;s 1916 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bsu.edu/ourlandourlit/Literature/Authors/dreisert.html#hoosier&quot;&gt;Hoosier Holiday&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:02:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: billysumday</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058439</link>	
		<description>Er, sorry, guess Dreiser&apos;s trip wasn&apos;t exactly cross-country.  But it was in an old car!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:03:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jessamyn</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058495</link>	
		<description>Horatio&apos;s Drive is a fun movie with lots of good pix of the adorable bulldog. Fun fact: the Winston that they drove was named The Vermont from the state that Jackson lived in, and where his trip actually ended, if not officially.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:48:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rolypolyman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058503</link>	
		<description>Is there a long version of this anywhere?  Would love to spend a few hours or more reading a travelogue.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:56:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fixedgear</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058510</link>	
		<description>The hook for me was that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/horatio/wheel/#crocker&quot;&gt;Sewall Crocker &lt;/a&gt;, the mechanic, was a former professional bike racer.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:01:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 13twelve</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058531</link>	
		<description>As a Brit whos watched Gumball 3000 footage - I really want to drive the US coast to coast in as short a time as I can.

I just did 370 miles from the South West corner of England to the heart of the North West in 5 1/2 hours (including a petrol stop in the middle and some 40 mph road works)</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:12:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: octothorpe</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058584</link>	
		<description>I have this antique &quot;Pennsylvania Road Guide&quot; from 1925 that has 80 pages of trip itineraries.  The thing is that they don&apos;t mention any specific roads, they just list town names in between you and your destination.  So to go from one city to another, you had to look up the first town in-between and find the sign pointing to that first town and then drive to it.  Then when you got to that town, you had to find the sign (or ask directions) for the next town on the list.  Repeat until you end up at the destination city.   It must have taken forever to get anywhere.  We&apos;re pretty spoiled by being able just to jump on route 80 and drive.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:49:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kirkaracha</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058637</link>	
		<description>Another problem was that cars were so novel that people would give wrong directions so their relatives could see the car.

Jackson&apos;s drive was part of an unoffical, asynchronous &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.knpb.org/productions/OldPac/article.asp&quot;&gt;competition&lt;/a&gt; that included teams from Packard and Oldsmobile.

The rivalry between Packard and Winton goes back to 1898, when Winton was largest U.S. producer of automobiles. James Ward Packard bought a car, apparently one of the first lemons, from Alexander Winton, and Winton said &quot;well if you are so smart, maybe you can build a better machine yourself!&quot; Packard produced 213 cars in 1903, compared to 850 for Winton.

Alexander Winton had tried a transcontinental trip in 1901, but had to quit after three days due to getting stuck in the sand. Packard didn&apos;t believe the story of Jackson happening to get drunk and make his bet two weeks before Packard was scheduled to make an attempt, and accused Jackson of cheating by taking the car on trains for part of the trip.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:28:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shockingbluamp</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058684</link>	
		<description>The Ken Burns special was good. I love hearing about roadtrips. It has always somewhat amazed me how different parts of the country (US) and world view a roadtrip. Where I now live it is considered a &lt;i&gt;drive&lt;/i&gt; to travel 60 miles. More than 100 miles  away almost calls for an overnighter. In my native Texas, it is not at all unusual for folks to drive 400 and 500+ &lt;b&gt;regularly&lt;/b&gt;. In fact, in some parts of Texas, for a person to go to where there is anything &lt;i&gt;to do&lt;/i&gt; at all requires a 6 hour roadtrip.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:04:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shoepal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058704</link>	
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;13twelve&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.route50.com/&quot;&gt;route 50&lt;/a&gt; goes from coast to coast.  It wouldn&apos;t be very fast, but might make for an interesting trip.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:23:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shoepal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058706</link>	
		<description>And Texas takes for fuckever to cross!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:24:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: I Love Tacos</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1058903</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;
As a Brit whos watched Gumball 3000 footage - I really want to drive the US coast to coast in as short a time as I can.&lt;/em&gt;

The only question I have about this is if you can lose your license for behaviour in another country.  I&apos;d be willing to pay the fines, so long as I could still legally drive once I got back home.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:07:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Laotic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1059145</link>	
		<description>Kikaracha, thanks for the background to the story, and for introducing Packard.
Having just been to the Brussels museum of the automobile last week, my old attraction to the Packard cars burns again.
The most beautiful, sleekest beasts.
Check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://pr.utk.edu/alumnus/winter96/ward.pdf&quot;&gt;red 1931 Packard Phaeton&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:00:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bjgeiger</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45445/Early-Adventures-with-the-Automobile#1059905</link>	
		<description>Texans living in El Paso are closer to Los Angeles, California than to fellow Texans in Texarkana and in turn Texarkana is closer to Chicago, Illinois than to El Paso.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:16:10 -0800</pubDate>
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