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	<title>Comments on: Kim Dietch&apos;s The Ship That Never Came In</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:16:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Kim Dietch&apos;s The Ship That Never Came In</title>
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		<description>Hey, kids, let&apos;s watch a cartoon! May I present &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.twinkleland.com/deitch/&quot;&gt;The Ship That Never Came In&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; by Kim Deitch, comix genius. It&apos;s  a piece with his magnum opus &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://home.earthlink.net/~copaceticcomicsco/BoulevardofBroken.html&quot; title=&quot;His wholly fictional story runs from the 1910s until 1994, and it includes, as Waldo World #1&apos;s cover states, &apos;Comedy! Romance! Adventure!&apos; in the style of 1920&apos;s movies (which appear in the backgrounds on some of the pages) or magazine serials.&quot;&gt;Boulevard of Broken Dreams&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.  Both, as Time magazine&apos;s comix critic &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/columnist/arnold/article/0,9565,355412,00.html&quot; title=&quot;After thirty-five years, it&apos;s about time Kim Deitch gets his due.&quot;&gt;Andrew Arnold&lt;/a&gt; notes, &lt;em&gt;focuses on Ted Mishkin, a talented animator whose gifts can never quite overcome his curse. His curse is Waldo, a mischievous cat who walks on his hind legs. Waldo may be a delusion or he may be real, but only Ted can see him. &lt;/em&gt; Wotta concept! &#0160;&lt;small&gt;More inside ? Fuckin&apos; A !&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:16:21 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>y2karl</dc:creator>		<category>comix</category>		<category>animation</category>		<category>KimDeitch</category>		<category>Waldo</category>		<category>comics</category>		<category>cartoons</category>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075649</link>	
		<description>Here&apos;s the rough draft for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comicartcollective.com/detail.cfm?page=464169C5-0FA9-4FD7-893A8755A252813C&quot; title=&quot;&apos;And from that degenerate coupling, came yurs truly&apos;&quot;&gt;The Waldo Lowdown&lt;/a&gt;, on sale at the Cartoon Collective&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comicartcollective.com/deitch/&quot; title=&quot;It&apos;s fun!&quot;&gt;Kim Deitch&lt;/a&gt; page. Here&apos;s Lambiek&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lambiek.net/deitch.htm&quot; title=&quot;...much of Deitch&apos;s comix work is linked to animation, centering on animation as an industry and animation characters.&quot;&gt;Kim Deitch&lt;/a&gt; page. Here&apos;s an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fantasticmetropolis.com/i/deitch/1/&quot; title=&quot;My very unintellectual answer to that question is that anthropomorphizing like that is just a lot of fun. It is part of the free wheeling sense of fun that was presented in the best of those early cartoons.&quot;&gt;interview&lt;/a&gt;. Here&apos;s his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.english.ufl.edu/imagetext/archives/volume1/issue1/deitch/&quot; title=&quot;&apos;In some cases, images were scanned directly from his notes to provide a sense of Mr. Deitch&apos;s narration of his comic stories, and in other cases, where possible, images were scanned from their original sources.&apos;&quot;&gt;lecture notes&lt;/a&gt; for the &lt;em&gt;&apos;Undergound(s)&apos;: 2003 University of Florida Conference on Comics and Graphic Novels.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Sign the release and look at the pictures. 
&lt;small&gt;The animation for &lt;em&gt;The Ship That Never Came In&lt;/em&gt; was done by Flash master John Kuramoto, who was responsible for, among others, Tim Dougan&apos;s webpage and the original &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ghostworld-the-movie.com/ie/index.html&quot; title=&quot;&apos;Rarely has adolescent ennui been so rewarding.&apos;&quot;&gt;Ghost World&lt;/a&gt; site. Sadly, neither of those appear to be online in anything close to their original form--and Dougan&apos;s not all. Boy, you missed a couple of masterpieces there.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Wu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075665</link>	
		<description>Very cool - thanks for the links.

I cannot recommend &lt;i&gt;Boulevard of Broken Dreams&lt;/i&gt; highly enough. A genuine masterpiece.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:31:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: longsleeves</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075697</link>	
		<description>thanks. wonderful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:28:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: interrobang</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075706</link>	
		<description>Thanks for this, I love Kim Deitch.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:43:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: maryh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075740</link>	
		<description>Thanks, y2karl.  &lt;i&gt;Boulevard&lt;/i&gt; is one of my favorite graphic novels.  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genedeitch.com/&quot;&gt;Gene Deitch&lt;/a&gt; has a website, where I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wnyc.org/shows/spinning/episodes/01092004&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; to a radio interview with both Gene &amp;amp; Kim.  Haven&apos;t listened yet, but it should be interesting.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:50:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alumshubby</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075808</link>	
		<description>Those cartoon cels remind me of the cartoon sequence in the third segment of &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086491/maindetails&quot;&gt;Twilight Zone: The Movie&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 05:45:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Civil_Disobedient</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075819</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Waldo may be a delusion or he may be real, but only Ted can see him.  Wotta concept!&lt;/i&gt;

I can&apos;t tell if this is supposed to be sarcasm or not, but in case it wasn&apos;t, I would kindly like to point &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ucomics.com/calvinandhobbes/&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; out.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 06:24:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075835</link>	
		<description>Sarcastic ? &lt;em&gt;Moi ? &lt;/em&gt;

It&apos;s an interesting question. Invisible characters seen and heard only by the protagonist go back as far in literature with the gods speaking  to and directing Achilles in the &lt;em&gt;Iliad&lt;/em&gt;. In the recent past, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.enotes.com/harvey/27088/print&quot; title=&quot;Mary Coyle Chase&apos;s Harvey has been an American favorite since it was first brought to the Broadway stage in 1944.&quot;&gt;Mary Chases&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tigersweat.com/movies/harvey/&quot; title=&quot;Elwood P. Dowd is a friendly, likeable drunk who has a best friend named Harvey, a six foot three and a half inch invisible white rabbit.&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Harvey&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; comes to mind. 

I think Deitch began drawing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opticalsloth.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&amp;func=viewpub&amp;tid=7&amp;pid=322&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Waldo&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; long before Waterson started &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://photos1.blogger.com/img/245/1204/640/calvin_hobbes.jpg&quot;&gt;Calvin and Hobbes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. It&apos;s a recurrent theme, that&apos;s for sure--Shary Flenniken&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marksverylarge.com/people/tandb7308.html&quot; title=&quot;Celebration of Birth&quot;&gt;Trots and Bonnie&lt;/a&gt; is a variation in that Trots was visible to all concerned but only talked to Bonnie when they were alone. As that predates &lt;em&gt;Calvin and Hobbes&lt;/em&gt; as well, I thought for a while that there was a direct connection  there. Then I remembered &lt;em&gt;Harvey&lt;/em&gt;. It&apos;s a universal theme and I suspect that whoever was first to use it in comics predates all of the aforementioned. I&apos;ll bet it&apos;s been around since the beginning of the medium.

Considering the &lt;em&gt;Illiad&lt;/em&gt;, I suppose this means  Trots, Waldo and Hobbes are all minor gods. Well, that makes sense to me.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:41:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Civil_Disobedient</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075847</link>	
		<description>Really good response, y2karl.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:07:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sfslim</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075866</link>	
		<description>Retro-psyche-tragi-delic!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:33:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075897</link>	
		<description>It is interesting that so many great comix artists write and draw such unbearably sad stories. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kempa.com/ware/&quot; title=&quot;Acme Novelty Archive v2.0&quot;&gt;Chris Ware&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/holocaust/spiegelman.html&quot; title=&quot;Art Spiegelman&apos;s MAUS: Working-Through The Trauma of the Holocaust&quot;&gt;Art Spiegelman&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outer-court.com/text/daniel_clowes.html&quot; title=&quot;Daniel Gillespie Clowes was born April 14th 1961 in Chicago. His parents divorced and so he was raised partly by his mother, then grand-parents (&apos;My grandparents had this great house where nothing was bought after 1953, so it was like I grew up in the postwar er&apos;) in a liberal surrounding.&quot;&gt;Daniel Clowes&lt;/a&gt; come to mind. Or consider the story of Charles Crumb in  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonyclassics.com/crumb/misc/notes.html&quot; title=&quot;&apos;a creepy, darkly funny, and haunting glimpse into the capriciousness of fate in the workings of a single family&apos;&quot;&gt;Crumb&lt;/a&gt;. It&apos;s a medium that seems, sometimes, to be  almost exclusively written and drawn by, about and for  misfits, outcasts and loners.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:36:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1075915</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Gene Deitch has a website&lt;/em&gt;...

Wow, maryh, thank yo so much.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genedeitch.com/10.html&quot; title=&quot;His vocal and instrumental brilliance have propelled him to legendary status, but when I first met John Lee Hooker, he was virtually unknown; struggling in the big northern city of Detroit to become a city blues singer.&quot;&gt;John Lee Hooker: My Amazing Story Of The Year&lt;/a&gt; really &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; amazing. I had never heard about that. I am so glad I made this post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:15:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1076009</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Magnifique.&lt;/em&gt;  Thanks, y2karl.  Made my day.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: njm</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1076016</link>	
		<description>Very cool, thanks y2karl.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:52:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mwhybark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/45901/Kim-Dietchs-The-Ship-That-Never-Came-In#1076200</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;It&apos;s a medium that seems, sometimes, to be almost exclusively written and drawn by, about and for misfits, outcasts and loners.&lt;/i&gt;

I have interviewed a comics artist or two in my day, and based on my discussions and readinga in the field I hazard that the root of this appears to be the medium&apos;s requirement for intensive, often solitary, labor. Shy people are at first drawn to the solitariness, and then, if they find themselves able to make a living, trapped by it, with depression sometimes associated. 

I&apos;m a huge Deitch fan. Shoulda known you would be too, y2k.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:50:35 -0800</pubDate>
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