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"Undeclared Global Weather War" : you're now living in a bad James Bond flick Yeah, I know: a Hoagland morass.'Cept there's that damn pending weather mod bill in Congress, the anomalous "tuning fork" patterns that seem to guide recent hurricanes ( see main link, esp. Ophelia footage ) , the USAF document, "Weather as a Force Multiplier", the '97 quote by Secretary of defense William Cohen..... Is somebody lobbing Hurricanes at the US ? Weather sure has been weird, I'll say that. Could it be......TeslaFinger™ ?
posted by troutfishing (52 comments total)

 
If they are, they seem to be quite misogynistic: Katrina, Ophelia, Rita, Wilma. All female names.
posted by SirOmega at 10:01 AM on October 19, 2005


trout, you gotta be kidding me.
posted by jokeefe at 10:17 AM on October 19, 2005


Oh man, this is brilliant. It's not global warming...its the TERRORISTS!
posted by leapingsheep at 10:20 AM on October 19, 2005


Honestly, I don't doubt it. Regardless of era, people constantly seem to live and think as if they live in the era in which there's nothing new under the sun, and anything that can be invented, has.

from the senate link:

" A BILL
To establish the Weather Modification Operations and
Research Board, and for other purposes.

This Act may be cited as the ``Weather Modification
Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of
2005'.

"SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modi- fication policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather modification research and development."

"SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.


(3) RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.--The term

``research and development' means theoretical analysis, exploration, experimentation, and the extension of investigative findings and theories of scientific or technical nature into practical application for experimental and demonstration purposes, including the experimental production and testing of models, devices, equipment, materials, and processes.

(4) WEATHER MODIFICATION.--The term
``weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere."

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison is no Art Bell caller. However, she is a Bush/Big Oil crony.

Now, if you want to talk tinfoil hat - man, a string of nasty hurricanes in the gulf would sure be handy to raise oil prices/knock the plame leak stuff of the frontpage/make lots of money for Halliburton et. al. in reconstruction/ serve as a diversion from Iraq, etc etc.


Not at all to say that I believe that the admin can or are doing anything of the sort, but I'd wager that if they probably would if they could.
posted by stenseng at 10:25 AM on October 19, 2005


that they probably would if they could
posted by stenseng at 10:27 AM on October 19, 2005


stenseng: Exactly. They would if they could, but they can't.
posted by StickyCarpet at 10:28 AM on October 19, 2005


if they did, the insurance lobby sure would be pissed off ...
posted by forforf at 10:28 AM on October 19, 2005


Really ?

I remember getting the same responses when I did a post on peak oil several years ago - ditto on the Bush Adm. intent to invade Iraq :

"You're INsane !"

This is speculative, but you may as well take your tinfoil, stuff it in your ears, pull it over your eyes and proceed to chant "everything's quite normal. Really very normal. It's not an effect of global warming. Couldn't possibly be anthropogenic in any way. Nananana....."

Tried reading the Congressional weather mod bill ? Obviously the US Gov. and the USAF think weather mod. is viable. Do you think no one else in the world is thinking along similar lines ? If you do you've just insulted the intelligence of the majority of the World's population.

I once read a book by Stanislaw Lem, "One Human Minute" : Lem speculated on weather mod via "synsect" - but wierd physics seemed like a much more elegant method to me than cluds of minute synthetic bugs.

The USAF, by their own account, has been playind around with weather mod since the 50s : see HISTORY OF AIR FORCE WEATHER MODIFICATION

________________
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2005/07/03/dont_like_the_weather_change_it?mode=PF

Boston Globe, July 3, 2005 ( excerpt, from "Don't Like the Weather ? Change it : The weird science of weather modification makes a comeback" )

"Recent years have seen a growing interest not merely in forecasting, but in the seemingly fanciful prospect of customizing the weather. In 2003 the National Academy of Sciences recommended 'a coordinated national program" to 'conduct a sustained research effort" into weather modification. Politicians in Western and Southwestern states are funding attempts to tickle more moisture out of the clouds, and this March, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas introduced a bill to create a national Weather Modification Operations and Research Board.

Last fall, a meteorologist named Ross Hoffman suggested in Scientific American that a network of microwave-beaming satellites could literally take the wind out of hurricanes. In some of the driest parts of Mexico, a Bedford-based company called Ionogenics is testing a rainmaking apparatus that uses an array of steel poles to ionize the air. China, a country with widespread cloud seeding, has announced plans to engineer clear weather in Beijing for the 2008 Olympics.

Meanwhile, deepening concern over the possibly cataclysmic effects of climate change has spurred a number of recent proposals, some sketched out in considerable detail, to engineer a measure of counteractive cooling. John Latham, an atmospheric physicist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., has proposed increasing the reflectivity of the cloud cover by stirring up water vapor from the ocean with a fleet of giant egg-beater-like turbines. A few years ago, a team led by the late Edward Teller suggested creating a similar effect by launching a million tons of tiny aluminum balloons into the atmosphere. The Teller team also revived a proposal, last explored in the early 1990s, to build an adjustable 2,000-kilometer-wide mirror in space to deflect some of the sun's energy before it reaches us.

To be sure, within the meteorological establishment the enthusiasm for weather modification is far from universal. And climate engineering--the alteration of global, rather than local, weather systems--remains purely theoretical. Still, after decades of disfavor, such ideas are getting a second look. As our ability to comprehend the weather improves and as the threat of climate change looms larger, some scientists are ready to brave the uncertainty and tangled ethics of tinkering with the skies."

_______________


Here's an excellent account, by Journalist Bob Fitrakis, of the history of weather modification - as compiled from government and mainstream media accounts.

WEATHER WARFARE

Note the emphasized text which I find quite blacky funny


"Moreover, Dr. Barnes insisted that the weaponization of space is the key to warfare in the 21st century. The United States government would later produce a document named "Joint Vision for 2020" under the auspices of the U.S. Space Command that outlines the plan for "Full Spectrum Dominance." In the years following Dr. Barnes' presentation on fully integrating high-tech weather modification into the U.S. military, so-called chemtrail sightings have occurred throughout the United States and its Western allies.

Barnes embraced the government's HAARP Project in Alaska, also managed by Phillips Laboratory, as a weapon "to enhance communications and surveillance systems, e.g., over-the-horizon (for both civilian and defense purposes)."

Weather Modification Inc. signed a contract with Thailand on December 20, 1996 to help “the southeast Asian country get a better grip on its weather - through "cloud modification."

In the November 13, 1997, the Wall Street Journal reported that the government of Malaysia had signed a contract with a Russian-owned company to create cyclones to blow pollution out to sea.

The BBC reported on March 5, 1998 that Canadian scientist Dr. Graeme Mather "believes he has found the Holy Grail of weather science, in the skies over Mexico his claim is being put to the test. “In my opinion, these convective clouds could be made more efficient by using weather modification, trying to produce more water from available clouds," Mather said.

In 1998 an American Meteorological Society report conceded that over the past 20 years "experiments had been carried out on lightning suppression." Dr. Barnes’ interest in lightning had direct military application, particularly the use of a "Laser Lightning Rod to trigger lightning." This would enhance the development of the "Airborne Laser (ABL)."

Brzezinski predicted: "Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised. . . . Technology of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."

The Korean Times reported on January 27 of this year that the South Korean “government is checking up on the possibility of using weather modification techniques to prevent monsoon rains interrupting the 2002 World Cup matches. The paper reports "Both the U.S. and Russia have commercialized rain and hailstorm prevention programs." Meanwhile, North Korea continues to suffer the aftereffects of a decade-long drought."
posted by troutfishing at 10:33 AM on October 19, 2005


stenseng - Hoagland thinks that unknown actors are beseiging the US with bad weather.

If he's right, the recent blitz of huge hurricanes would be an artificially amplified assault on the US economy.

It's certainly true that - in part because of the Iraq war - lots of people now hate America, far more than pre-invasion.

Before their invention, poison gas, nuclear weapons, lasers, television, radio.... there were all unthinkable to the common public, and I don't think weather mod will prove any different in that regard.

When it's sufficiently powerful - if it is not already - people will come accept the fact of weather modification technology because they'll confront "extreme weather by proxy" attacks in their day to day lives.
posted by troutfishing at 10:39 AM on October 19, 2005


For me, it all depends on whether the science exists to pull it off, but honestly I don't doubt it, and I certainly don't doubt for a minute that dubya and co. would use it regardless of the human cost.

I remember trying to convince my dad in 1995 that the internet was going to change the world, and I remember people being treated as Art Bell tinheads no less than a year ago right here on mefi for talking peak oil, and just last week I saw an article in my local yokel newspaper accepting peak oil as pretty much irrefutable fact.

Things are only impossible until someone figures out a way to make them possible.
posted by stenseng at 10:40 AM on October 19, 2005


trout - IF *someone* has a hand in besieging the US with these storms, I doubt very much if its the terrahists.
posted by stenseng at 10:42 AM on October 19, 2005


Did somebody say "tewahwists" ?

Anyway, I tend to agree.

I can venture dozens of actors which might hve the tech and the motive.

A few in the US, many more outside of it.
posted by troutfishing at 10:46 AM on October 19, 2005


Hey! Ivan and Katrina are Russian names, ' cold war ' meh.
posted by hortense at 10:52 AM on October 19, 2005


awesome. this is my kinda post!
posted by slogger at 10:57 AM on October 19, 2005


I wouldn't doubt that this is possible, and I wouldn't doubt that there are people wicked enough to do it. No criticism there.

It's just so politically perfect, though. I guess we won't really know for awhile.
posted by leapingsheep at 11:00 AM on October 19, 2005


Weather control? Really? I liked it better when you posted about societal inequities and the rampant imperialism in the current administration.
posted by bshort at 11:02 AM on October 19, 2005


It's Tribulation 99 all over again. Just like deja vu.
posted by warbaby at 11:11 AM on October 19, 2005


hotense: George "Pale Imitation of Art Bell" Noory had a guest on about a month ago who said just that.
posted by keswick at 11:12 AM on October 19, 2005


Funny stuff - thanks, Trout!
posted by dhoyt at 11:14 AM on October 19, 2005


Here's the MIMIC quicktime w/the bizarre symmetrical "finger" that appears around Wilma and which has appeared around Ophelia and maybe Rita as well (I'm not sure about Rita) :

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/marti/2005_TWENTY-FOUR/webManager/displayGifsBy12hr_03.html

Hoagland's interpetation may well be wrong, but he's not inveting the imagery : that's a four satellite composite from the University of Michigan, called MIMIC ( Morphed Integrated Microwave Imagery at CIMSS )

Here's the Ophelia MIMIC signature :

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/marti/2005_SIXTEEN/webManager/displayGifsBy12hr_21.html

Notice : the bizarre symmetrical signature apears out of nowhere, and Ophelia magically moves away from the coast and dissipates.

But, Hoagland take on Rita has me less convinced : the "ghost" in the upper left in this animated GIF looks like an artifact to me although Rita shifts course a bit after the "ghost" winks on and off.


http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/marti/2005_EIGHTEEN/webManager/displayGifsBy12hr_11.html

Anyway, it's interesting to watch these hurricane animations
posted by troutfishing at 11:19 AM on October 19, 2005


"It's just so politically perfect, though. I guess we won't really know for awhile." - No we'll probably NEVER know. Or maybe we will but probably not.......

Until weather mod technology is rampant and every nation is messing with every other nation's weather : oh boy.

But, this is a good one for riling up the stuffier Mefites and for introducing the concept that governments really are working on this kind of thing. Lusting for it too, I'm sure.
posted by troutfishing at 11:23 AM on October 19, 2005


the bizarre symmetrical "finger"

..which Mother Nature is flipping us for melting her lovely ice caps.
posted by CynicalKnight at 11:25 AM on October 19, 2005


Those who mock scalar technology do so at their own peril.
posted by euphorb at 11:30 AM on October 19, 2005


Serious question: why is this stuff called "scalar"? In my physics class, a 'scalar' quantity was one with no unit attached, just a dimensionless number.
posted by sonofsamiam at 11:32 AM on October 19, 2005


As someone who works with remote sensed ocean data every day, I highly urge you to take very seriously the warning very prominently displayed on the MIMIC home page:

"The individual images that are used as input into this product sometimes contain bad data in the form of missing scanlines or anamalously high or low values that often stretch in an arc across the image. When these areas are incorporated into the MIMIC product they form artifacts that fade in and out, and appear to move with the storm center. However, they have no physical meaning and hopefully they will not obstruct your interpretation of the imagery."

Jeez.
posted by 3.2.3 at 11:37 AM on October 19, 2005


I just wonder if you can control the weather so carefully that you can make your hurricane look like a vengeful wind fetus. Because otherwise, what is the point?
posted by Joey Michaels at 11:43 AM on October 19, 2005


Scalar energy is here!
posted by blacklite at 11:46 AM on October 19, 2005


metafilter: the bizarre symmetrical "finger"
posted by slogger at 12:07 PM on October 19, 2005


Do you think no one else in the world is thinking along similar lines ? If you do you've just insulted the intelligence of the majority of the World's population.

Might I add that there used to be a time when men of great vision would emigrate to the United States because they feared that certain regimes would put their discoveries to ill use. I wonder how many men of great vision are doing that today considering the US standing in the world.
posted by any major dude at 12:30 PM on October 19, 2005


The Jews did it.
posted by Krrrlson at 12:33 PM on October 19, 2005


I will only take this post seriously if in the next 30 days trout is killed by a storm consisting of one single hail stone the size of a watermelon.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:40 PM on October 19, 2005


The obvious problem with the sort of crankery in the "Captain's Blog" is power.

So someone is using "unseen energy" to deflect and dissipate a hurricane. Fine. That seems like a goal that someone might have.

But where's the powerplant? Shifting, deflecting, or generating countervailing force to slow down the winds of a hurricane is going to take lots and lots of energy, surely gigawatts at a bare minimum, and applied for extended periods.

So where is it? If this is supposed to be through microwave satellites, who launched a gigawatt powerplant without anyone noticing, and where on earth did they get the launcher to shove an entire major industrial complex into orbit? Where are the industrial facilities needed to develop, test, and build the stupefyingly powerful launchers you'd need?

If this is supposed to have been done with a ship, where the hell is it? And who built the ship that can generate an extra gigawatt of power and shove it out through some manner of antenna or force-projector without anyone noticing? And where is the secret shipyard that were used to construct the ship?

Before their invention, poison gas, nuclear weapons, lasers, television, radio.... there were all unthinkable to the common public

Well, fine. People called the Wrights crazy. And they called Goddard crazy. Maybe they even called Marconi crazy. But people have, nonetheless, also called a whole damn bunch of people crazy who were really were certified bugfuck crazy.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 12:50 PM on October 19, 2005


"Oh man, this is brilliant. It's not global warming...its the TERRORISTS!"

yeah. who do you think is responsible for global warming? hmmm? damn terrorists.
posted by muppetboy at 12:50 PM on October 19, 2005


* checks dotster for tinfoilhats.com *
posted by muppetboy at 12:50 PM on October 19, 2005


already taken if you were wondering.
posted by muppetboy at 12:56 PM on October 19, 2005


One more time: trout, do you seriously think this is a decent FPP?

I'm this far from my very first MeTa callout....
posted by jokeefe at 1:02 PM on October 19, 2005


I've settled for flagging it. Just so you know.
posted by jokeefe at 1:03 PM on October 19, 2005


you're now living in a bad James Bond flick

Actually, we're in a bad Avengers movie that was made by drunks and featured menacing Teddy Bears.
posted by kirkaracha at 1:06 PM on October 19, 2005


"One more time: trout, do you seriously think this is a decent FPP?"
posted by jokeefe at 1:02 PM PST on October 19 [!]

It has my interest.

In no way do I think it's even nearly possible, but it's interesting.

Lies, untruths, nutty theories, paranoid conspiracies - it's all data. Even in a lie the nature, form, subject, all lend themselves to interpretation. I'm interested in ID/creation science in that way. Oh, it's completely mad. But disregard the actual words in the ravings of - for example - schizophrenics and you can get a sense of general themes and concepts which lend themselves for a methodology of treatment.

And sometimes it's true. I'm willing to entertain the idea that I don't know everthing. In this case I remain thoroughly unconvinced, but I enjoyed the attempt.


The legislation interested me the most.
Do politicians have earth sciences class in high schools, or... ?
posted by Smedleyman at 1:13 PM on October 19, 2005


Could it be COBRA?
posted by Shanachie at 1:32 PM on October 19, 2005


The fun thing is that there's so much background information on weather modification.

Plus, there are lots of people who probably would be lobbing hurricanes at the US if they could.

But it could be COBRA indeed :

"Cobra creates the Weather Dominator, wreaking havoc upon the earth's atmospheric and ecological balance. The Joes manage to neutralize the Dominator with an energy feedback"

"As someone who works with remote sensed ocean data every day, I highly urge you to take very seriously the warning very prominently displayed on the MIMIC home page" 3.2.3 - SEE ? They're trying to hide it !

Anyway, I thought the weather modification bill was interesting :

Why bother with Global Warming when you can get the government to try harebrained schemes that probably will make it worse ?
posted by troutfishing at 2:27 PM on October 19, 2005


smedleyman - well, there is actually an entire outfit, through the US National Aacdemy of Sciences, which pulls together prominent members, scientists who are leaders in their fields, to write reports on important scientific issues which congress should be informed on....

Like Global Warming, sudden climate change, persistent organic chemicals, and so on.

I doubt many people in congress bother to read them but the books are very well done and free to the public ( in the net version anyway ) .

_______


Maybe TeslaFinger is Vicente Fox, annoyed at Yankee arrogance and scheming to engineer a land grab to get back territory the Yank seized long ago.


_______


Krrrrlson, interesting that would occur to you but it's rather unlikely. If Ariel Sharon laid waste to the US with evil Tesla technology Israel would lose the 4 billion or so dollars the US gives to Israel annually.
posted by troutfishing at 2:40 PM on October 19, 2005


I will only take this post seriously if in the next 30 days trout is killed by a storm consisting of one single hail stone the size of a watermelon.

I'll get right on it.
posted by davejay at 2:57 PM on October 19, 2005


Oh, also forgot to say: in a world where every nation disrupts the weather of every other nation, the nation with a wireless information infrastructure, huge food stores and the strongest building codes wins.
posted by davejay at 2:58 PM on October 19, 2005


No you won't - not if I crank up my Tesla weather machine first.
posted by troutfishing at 3:37 PM on October 19, 2005


What RU Xenophobe said about the required energy only much more so: But where's the powerplant? Shifting, deflecting, or generating countervailing force to slow down the winds of a hurricane is going to take lots and lots of energy, surely gigawatts at a bare minimum, and applied for extended periods
Actually it is one hundred Terawatts at a bare minimum, since this is the order of magnitude of the half a percent of total hurricane power, that the winds carry. The total power that a hurricane packs is ~hundreds of times larger than the worldwide electrical generating capacity. As far as energy is concerned its something like the daily production of exajoules of energy.

sonofsamian: this is what the "scalar" part is all about. A sad mishmash of misunderstood concepts...
posted by talos at 5:47 PM on October 19, 2005


For me, it all depends on whether the science exists to pull it off, but honestly I don't doubt it...

This seems to be a common refrain. Have people ever heard the analogy to herding cats? Try herding air currents!

Seriously, I'm an open-minded guy, but the idea that somebody can control of this kind of phenomenon with today's (or the near future's) technology is not even a little bit plausible.
posted by musicinmybrain at 10:09 PM on October 19, 2005


Maybe TeslaFinger is Vicente Fox, annoyed at Yankee arrogance and scheming to engineer a land grab to get back territory the Yank seized long ago.

At this point, why the fuck would he want Texas???
posted by stenseng at 10:48 PM on October 19, 2005


If we would just meet Dr. Evil's demanded sum ... OF 1 MILLION DOLLARS ... we could avoid all of this misery.
posted by moonbiter at 5:43 AM on October 20, 2005


I guess one way to settle this would be to look at other frames of MIMIC data and see if the curves or arcs of interference appear on those frames as well, with no hurricanes or other systems present.

I take this sort of post with a big bag of salt, not just a grain. But I don't dismiss it or criticize it for being on the front page. I'm with SmedleyMan on this one -- I love conspiracy theories, but not because I believe them or necessarily want to believe in them. It's the only reason I can stomach sifting through Rense.com's anti-semitism, or the race baiting of various other disinfo sites.

I find conspiracies to be very good indicators of what is troubling our hidden souls, or our collective unconscience, or whatever you want to call the misy inner life of our culture.

Conspiracy reveals what we fear, how we hate, what makes us shiver, what makes us want to scream. Our inner culture doesn't speak much, but we need to listen to it and pay attention to it.

So TroutFishing, thanks, and please continue. I'll do the same.
posted by mooncrow at 2:31 PM on October 20, 2005


mooncrow - Thanks. I need to establish a special, semisecret symbol to let mefi regulars know I'm kind of bullshitting :

Not totally - hey, anything's possible. But I guess I assumed that asking " Could it be TeslaFinger™ " would clue some in that I was less than 100% serious.


I was, sadly, mistaken.
posted by troutfishing at 3:35 PM on October 20, 2005


Also - I'm going to look more at MIMIC data from now on.

TeslaFinger™ could be out there......
posted by troutfishing at 3:36 PM on October 20, 2005


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