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	<title>Comments on: Mice or meece?</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:40:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Mice or meece?</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.ozgene.com/flash.html"&gt;Ever wonder where lab mice come from?&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;[warning: flash.]&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:40:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon-o</dc:creator>		<category>lab</category>		<category>mice</category>
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		<title>By: Jon-o</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090598</link>	
		<description>I stumbled onto this via the Google ads on a blog. I wondered, &quot;Who, exactly, do they think is reading this blog that they&apos;d advertise lab mice here?&quot; Anyway, I thought this web page was hysterical and thought I&apos;d share it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:40:17 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon-o</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: BuddhaInABucket</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090607</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.leeches.biz/&quot;&gt;See also&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:49:48 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>BuddhaInABucket</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: longsleeves</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090609</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s nice to know that the mousies surf and have fun.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:54:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: travis vocino</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090611</link>	
		<description>When does the escape planning start?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:55:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Turtles all the way down</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090614</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve been courting OzGene as potential customers for my genetically-engineered-mouse-tracking-database-software for some time (Hey! I&apos;ve been in that basement!).</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:59:06 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Turtles all the way down</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: smackfu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090621</link>	
		<description>This is so surreal.  And awesome.  I wish I was in the market for some Australian GM mices.

Is that the Village People (in mice form) on the Media page?

(Don&apos;t miss the Japanese page.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:05:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon-o</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090629</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I wish I was in the market for some Australian GM mices&lt;/em&gt;

I wonder how they&apos;re delivered. Maybe we should all chip in and buy some mice.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:14:51 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon-o</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Turtles all the way down</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090633</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I wonder how they&apos;re delivered.&lt;/em&gt;

I can tell you that! They&apos;re delivered in a cardboard box--about the size of a pizza box if you made it about 5 inches thicker. Instead of airholes--these are very precious mice which must remain &apos;sterile&apos; in a sense--there are gaps in the sides of the box that are covered with a kind of paper filter material. (People at customs often poke they&apos;re fingers through this filter material, which may render the mice worthless.) The mice are provided with food and water, of course; if you&apos;re sending mice on your own, vs. from a company, apple slices do very well in providing the mice both.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:35:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Turtles all the way down</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Turtles all the way down</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090634</link>	
		<description>OMG: &quot;their&quot; of course.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:36:07 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Turtles all the way down</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: easternblot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090656</link>	
		<description>I clicked the &quot;mates&quot; link, figuring it had to do with mouse mating, and I thought it would be about germline transmission, F1 and F2 generations, etcetera, but ... they mean mates as in &lt;em&gt;friends&lt;/em&gt; and it&apos;s just a bunch of links to other sites.
Silly Aussies.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:20:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NucleophilicAttack</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090658</link>	
		<description>jax.org, criver.com, taconic.com</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:24:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rumple</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090665</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;null&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kentscientific.com/Animal-Handling/Small-Rodent-Guillotine-7-0-0-292.aspx&quot;&gt;For those mice&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; with the naughty gene</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:51:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TheOnlyCoolTim</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090710</link>	
		<description>$600! Go to the store and buy a butcher&apos;s cleaver...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:26:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gren</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090747</link>	
		<description>heh, I was expecting a flash movie about yiffing or something...this is *way* stranger.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:40:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SteveInMaine</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090825</link>	
		<description>If you&apos;re in the States, mice generally come from &lt;a href=&quot;http://jaxmice.jax.org/index.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. I&apos;ll have to admit the Jackson Lab website isn&apos;t nearly as fun as Ozgene&apos;s.

You should also note that Jackson Lab is sited in one of the more beautiful places on earth, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ci.bar-harbor.me.us/&quot;&gt;Bar Harbor, Maine&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:06:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LeLiLo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1090889</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt; If you&apos;re in the States, mice generally come from here.&lt;/i&gt;

Mice from the Jackson Lab go all over the world, not just around the U.S. From their web site: &lt;i&gt;Each year, the Laboratory supplies approximately 2 million JAX&#174; Mice to the global research community from more than 2,700 varieties, 97% of which are available only from The Jackson Laboratory.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.punahou.edu/acad/sanders/geometrypages/GP09Million.html&quot;&gt;Two million&lt;/a&gt; mice a year! I&apos;m about a mile down the road from the place, often use their library when I feel like getting out of the house, and have many times talked about the Lab while leading bus tours through Acadia National Park.  (Along one section of Acadia&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acadiamagic.com/ParkLoopRoad.html&quot;&gt;Park Loop Road&lt;/a&gt;, you have park land on the right, and lab property on the left.)

It&apos;s interesting to me how little known the Lab is despite its importance over the last 75 years. (I think they&apos;re trying to have it both ways &#8212; be well-known enough to attract grant and research money, yet stay below the radar of animal rights protestors.)  Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jax.org/about/milestones.html&quot;&gt;this  list&lt;/a&gt; of what&apos;s come about as a result of research there, including tissue, organ, and bone marrow transplants in humans; and the world&apos;s first computer databases for mammalian genetics.

Access to the mouse areas is strictly controlled, and almost no one is allowed in. So even though I&apos;ve never heard of such things, maybe &#8212; just like the OzGene mice &#8212; they&apos;re in there riding surfboards.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:21:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: printdevil</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1091045</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s always weird to explain to my friends about the Jackson Lab -- my mom is a researcher there. &quot;Well, it&apos;s the world center for mouse genetics. But it&apos;s on the coast of Maine. And it&apos;s difficult to get too easily in the winter.&quot;

Second Lelilo&apos;s comment about the mouse areas. I&apos;ve been to the lab many times, but never seen the breeding zones. There was a big fire there about 10-15 years ago that had moderately serious repercussions in terms of slowing down some research nationwide.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:29:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: caution live frogs</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1091273</link>	
		<description>AAAAhhh ha ha ha ha! The model number on that guillotine... DCAP. De-cap! Someone had fun with that I see.

God I&apos;m a geek.

&lt;small&gt;I once personally dispatched 48 small rodents in one day using such a device. For quick, humane brain collection, much more user-friendly than a butcher knife, TOCT. The decap results in instant death, which is actually amazingly more humane than a lethal sedative or suffocation.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:16:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1091311</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;I initially misread that as &quot;quick human brain collection,&quot; which made sense but... well, I&apos;m glad I took a second look.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:33:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shoepal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46287/Mice-or-meece#1092176</link>	
		<description>I actually heard a lecture from a guy the other day about a facility which breeds mice and goats and pigs for &quot;genetic work.&quot;

Some of the crowd sort of mumbled and the guy responded with something like &quot;oh come on,  they&apos;re worth millions of dollars so they are well taken care of.&quot;

I wonder what a million dollar goat eats for breakfast...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:36:33 -0800</pubDate>
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