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Post number 4636

jjg — Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:51:48 -0800

If you tried to switch hosting services only to have your domain held hostage, and if no one else can help, maybe you can hire DomainRescue.

By: riffola

riffola — Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:24:03 -0800

If they are able to do the same with registrars, I am sure Zeldman would be interested.

By: bkdelong

bkdelong — Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:34:08 -0800

Yeah...where were they when the Web Standards Project was being savaged.

By: baylink

baylink — Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:03:05 -0800

Well, as much more convenient as I know it is, anyone who allows their webhosting company to register their domain for them, and worse, register someone other than the domain owner as the admin contact, deserves what they get. Stupidity is *supposed* to be painful.

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:31:19 -0800

baylink, more context for your statement please. If your making a sweeping generalization you sound like an asshole. It expedites the process of getting the domain live to the world and removes a layer of admin work to have the webhosting company handle the domain registration. Just because a hosting service has poor customer service and shady ways of doing business doesn't make someone buying a domain stupid.

By: baylink

baylink — Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:23:34 -0800

The administrative ownership of a domain name -- that is to say, the person to whom a domain registrar will listen concerning the management and transfer of that domain -- is an important, valuable corporate asset, to any business which plans to make commercial use of the Internet. Anyone who is in such a position should be expected to have done sufficient due diligence to realize this, and ascertain that the domain will be registered with the end-client, not the hosting company, as the Administrative Contact. Anyone, therefore, who gets bitten by this sort of thing, really has no standing to complain. If you don't know what you're doing, make sure you're dealing with people you trust. A commercial relationship does *not* imply this prima facie; in fact, the opposite: if someone stands to make money off you following their instructions, and you don't make sure *you* know all the angles, you deserve to be fleeced. Was that enough expansion, Jeremy? :-)

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Tue, 05 Dec 2000 20:21:13 -0800

Yeah. snob. :-) In baylinks world ill-informed == stupid. Owning the domain, being the administrative contact, and updating the DNS when you move hosts still doesn't ensure Network Solutions will have their heads out of their asses long enough to update everything correctly. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

By: rodii

rodii — Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:15:54 -0800

I think the key phrase here is "due diligence" and Baylink is quite right to have pointed this out. Maybe we could distinguish between stupid on the personal level and stupid on a corporate level. If someone leased office space but put the lease in the name of the real-estate agent, that would be stupid, wouldn't it?

By: baylink

baylink — Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:12:10 -0800

Good analogy, thanks. Snob? No, just put on my lawyer mouth. Sounded like that was the explanation you wanted. :-) But as for the epithet "stupid", yeah, there just is lots of stupidity in the world these days, and it's getting worse. I can't be getting smarter; that can't be it...