Comments on: Asterix vs President Moron

Asterix vs President Moron

jonson — Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:53:05 -0800

Asterix gets political. After over four decades of defending his lone holdout village from Roman attack, French children's book icon Asterix is taking on America in the latest novel. The village is besieged by an alien army whose leader is named Hubs, (a thinly veiled anagram of the U.S. President). The aliens invade seeking non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

By: riffola

riffola — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:03:06 -0800

As a kid I used to *love* "Asterix et Obelix", but recently, in fact just yesterday, I tried reading one where they give the Romans a potion that ends up growing their hair instead of making them strong, and it was really not that fun to read anymore. I guess I grew up, or maybe my tastes have gone for a six.

By: jouke

jouke — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:09:08 -0800

The year is 50 B.C. Gaul is entirely occupied by the Romans. Well not entirely! One small village of indomitable Gauls still holds out against the invaders. Asterix: american domination of popular culture of the world is still not complete.

By: loquax

loquax — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:18:18 -0800

Asterix did, in fact, end in 1979. Everything since has been complete garbage, no matter the subject matter. The series is now like Simon and Garfunkel, minus the Simon.

By: PeterMcDermott

PeterMcDermott — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:28:09 -0800

Asterix: american domination of popular culture of the world is still not complete That was an interesting link, jouke. It appears that the USA is the only country in the world in which the town of Laudanum gets renamed (in this instance to to Nohappymedium.) A backhanded comment by the US translators on how the tentacles of the War on Drugs now reach everywhere -- including into the translation of French satirical children's cartoon books?

By: jouke

jouke — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:49:07 -0800

The reference to the villages was removed from the dutch version apparently as untranslatable: it's impossible to make a punning quasi latin word in germanic languages. In German the villagenames where untranslated so the gag got lost. At least the US got new punning villagenames since english is quasi-latin anyway. I like the village Opprobrium by the way. Maybe you're right Peter: apparently a reference to alcohol-induced high is more acceptable than the name of an opium tincture that fell out of use since approx. 80 years.

By: TheophileEscargot

TheophileEscargot — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:04:15 -0800

WARNING! Spoilers ahead! I've read the book (in English translation) and the anti-US theme is something of an exaggeration. The Gaulish village we know so well is actually besieged by two sets of aliens. One race seems to be based on American comics: their name is an anagram of "Walt Disney", they look like Disney characters, eat foul-tasting hot dogs, and have an army of superclones who look like Superman (though there are also Bat and Spider clones apparently). Their leader's name is Hubs, but he never appears in the comic so you don't get to see whether he's a moron or otherwise. The other group seems to be based on Japanese comics: their name is an anagram of "manga" and they're drawn in a vaguely manga style. However, it's the American Tadsilwenyans who act as the good guys, and help defend the village against the malicious Nagmas. The secret weapon is of course the magic potion, which does actually exist (in the comic). There is a tribute to Walt Disney at the end of the book: "In this book I would like to pay tribute to the great creations of Tadsilweny... sorry, I meant the great creations of Walt Disney who, famous and amazing druid that he was, allowed some of his colleagues, myself included, to fall into the cauldron of a potion to which he alone knew the magical secret." If anything, it seems a fairly pro-American comic, which you might expect from someone of Uderzo's generation.

By: kosher_jenny

kosher_jenny — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:09:01 -0800

Ah, that's a relief, TheophileEscargot. (appropriate username!)

By: Skeptic

Skeptic — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:33:32 -0800

Asterix used to be a two-man-show: René Goscinny wrote and Albert Uderzo drawed. Sadly, Goscinny passed away in 1977, and the last Goscinny-written Asterix was "Asterix in Belgium" which appeared posthumously in 1979. Since then Uderzo took over the writing, which, unfortunately, is a gift he most definitely lacks. All Asterix books since 1979 have been, indeed, crap, and it has gone worse as Uderzo has aged. But he keeps churning them out, as he needs to provide for a notoriously expensive lifestyle (the man likes his Ferraris). The original Asterix, BTW, was drenched in irony. It was a piss-take on old French school history manuals, which started with the phrase "Nos ancêtres les Gaulois..." ("Our ancestors the Gauls..."). Goscinny being the son of Polish Jews, and Uderzo of Italian descent, they both had a definite lack of Gaulish ancestors...

By: nthdegx

nthdegx — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:33:33 -0800

These neocons are crazy. *Tap* *tap* *tap* *tap*. Score:5, Insightful

By: Joeforking

Joeforking — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:36:04 -0800

Hubs is not a thinly veiled anagram of Bush, it actually is an anagram. Me clever.

By: hoskala

hoskala — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:48:22 -0800

Asterix has truly been crap since the death of Goscinny. But I still wouldn't describe Asterix as a "children's book icon" - most of the jokes in the older albums were intended for more mature audiences.

By: brautigan

brautigan — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:54:22 -0800

I liked the book's title.

By: funambulist

funambulist — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 04:58:09 -0800

Wait, wasn't there already another Asterix & Obelix adventure involving America?

By: Pallas Athena

Pallas Athena — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:03:48 -0800

There was! La Grande Traversée, published in English as Astérix and the Great Crossing. It's a good, funny one, but he only Americans in the book are a tribe of Native Americans, which are given the usual cartoon-Red-Indian treatment. Tintin did slightly better in that area, I think. And what Skeptic and hoskala said: Asterix after the death of Goscinny suxbigdix.

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:44:57 -0800

Invasion literature.

By: PeterMcDermott

PeterMcDermott — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:53:39 -0800

Maybe you're right Peter Perhaps not though. Is the village dope dealer still called Getafix in the American translations?

By: Artw

Artw — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:23:58 -0800

Reading the Spoilers I'd have to say that Asterix books have gone down hill a bit.

By: linux

linux — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:44:18 -0800

Yes, the American version still calls them Getafix and Dogmatix. I still have a beat up VHS of Asterix the Gaul, Asterix in Britain, and The 12 Tasks of Asterix. My favorite of the three is Asterix in Britain. My collection of English translations (no idea if British or American) are in my uncle's storeroom in the Philippines, where humidity and heat have probably turned them into a sparkling mold culture about to discover the wheel.

By: linux

linux — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:48:14 -0800

After folowing jouke's link, I see I had the UK versions.

By: thaths

thaths — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:02:54 -0800

#include <std_disclaimer_abt_link_to_self.h> The Asterix Annotations are also a good resource for getting the hidden and not so hidden humour of the books.

By: fandango_matt

fandango_matt — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:18:44 -0800

Me, I'm waiting for Tintin In Iraq.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:21:24 -0800

Heh. The Arab is saying Ya ibn kalb! 'You son of a dog,' which is a deadly insult in Arabic... except that here it's addressed to a dog.

By: nthdegx

nthdegx — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:37:45 -0800

That's funny. I always loved Tinitin.

By: homunculus

homunculus — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:05:57 -0800

Vercingetorix wept.

By: mcwetboy

mcwetboy — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:09:44 -0800

Having read Astérix in the original French (useful if you're trying to learn the language), let me say that it definitely loses something in the translation.

By: homunculus

homunculus — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:10:18 -0800

I actually kept thinking about Asterix during the execution of Vercingetorix on Rome a couple of weeks ago.

By: Devils Slide

Devils Slide — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:21:51 -0800

The village is besieged by an alien army whose leader is named Hubs At least Obelix won't become a suicide bomber. But I can see him kicking some alien ass by swinging around a few wild boars. I grew up with Tintin and Asterix. A few years ago I raided the children's section of my local library and checked out their entire collection of Tintin and Asterix books. It was nice revisiting my childhood.

By: thatwhichfalls

thatwhichfalls — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:38:01 -0800

Anyone else have parents who bought them the Latin translations? That really pissed me off.

By: jonson

jonson — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:10:33 -0800

homunculus - so did I.

By: interrobang

interrobang — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:39:21 -0800

Heh. The Arab is saying Ya ibn kalb! 'You son of a dog,' which is a deadly insult in Arabic... except that here it's addressed to a dog. The insult isn't addressed at Milou, languagehat--it's addressed toward the government, which is pamphlet-bombing the Arab's little desert village with propaganda. The scene takes place in "The Land of Black Gold", if you'd like to read it.

By: nthdegx

nthdegx — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:12:27 -0800

Damn it.

By: NewBornHippy

NewBornHippy — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:34:51 -0800

Asterix in Corsica is, to me, the best ever.

By: fandango_matt

fandango_matt — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:54:09 -0800

posted by interrobang The insult isn't addressed at Milou [Tintin's dog, called "Milou" in French books, "Snowy" in English books"], languagehat--it's addressed toward the government, which is pamphlet-bombing the Arab's little desert village with propaganda. The scene takes place in "The Land of Black Gold", if you'd like to read it. Here's the page from which I linked that picture--it's a study of updates and changes Tintin has undergone over the years, some of which are, uh, not quite politically correct.

By: Sparx

Sparx — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:13:24 -0800

It's been a while, but I can still recall them giving a slave some magic potion and, as he broke free, Asterix and Obelix falling over themselves laughing over the line "He's got a free hand now". It wasn't until I was much older that I realised what the hell they were talking about. Manumission. A pun so terrible I can only barely conceive it.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:51:49 -0800

The insult isn't addressed at Milou, languagehat--it's addressed toward the government Rats. I think it's funnier my way. Ah well, the perils of trying to interpret a comic from one panel...