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December 1, 2005 8:01 AM   Subscribe

"Heard 'Em Say" is Kanye West's latest video, animated by the legendary Bill Plympton.
posted by XQUZYPHYR (87 comments total)

 
It's Kanye, goddammit.
posted by cloeburner at 8:11 AM on December 1, 2005


Yeah, just like Dwanye Wade.

(First reaction: "No way! AWESOME!")
posted by klangklangston at 8:12 AM on December 1, 2005


Sweet Vivendi Universal.
posted by ab'd al'Hazred at 8:13 AM on December 1, 2005


you know, I've seen better from both.

also, that lead singer from Maroon 5 who makes an appearance (nay, the whole band) can choke on his own dick and die.

but I'm being too negative. I did like the bit after the cab explodes, what with the wings and all that.

by the way, did anyone else notice that, on the page that links to the wmv, they link to a photo of West and Plympton where West is wearing a shirt of HIMSELF?!
posted by shmegegge at 8:13 AM on December 1, 2005


Next reaction? Doesn't play on my Mac. Fuck you, Windows and Real Media formats, for being so incredibly shitty.
posted by klangklangston at 8:16 AM on December 1, 2005


Argh. cloeburner, I assure you I know it's Kanye, and that I'm just dyslexic. Me=teh dumb.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 8:17 AM on December 1, 2005


West is wearing a shirt of HIMSELF?!

Holy infinite Hasselhoff.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:18 AM on December 1, 2005


Kanye West doesn't care about Mac people.
posted by symphonik at 8:19 AM on December 1, 2005




Next reaction? Doesn't play on my Mac. Fuck you, Windows and Real Media formats, for being so incredibly shitty.


So download the players. It plays fine on my Macs.
posted by thirteen at 8:19 AM on December 1, 2005


Fuck you, Windows and Real Media formats, for being so incredibly shitty.

You know, lots of codecs require non-OS software to be played, like QuickTime on Windows for instance. You wouldn't be complaining if it was in QuickTime. Please endeavour to chillax.
posted by ab'd al'Hazred at 8:22 AM on December 1, 2005


Kanye West doesn't care about Mac people.

Damn you quickdraw symphonik!!! Beat me by a nose, but we have a winner.
posted by kosem at 8:24 AM on December 1, 2005


seriously, that's not an OS thing, that's an "I refuse to watch anything but mpegs and movs" thing.
posted by shmegegge at 8:25 AM on December 1, 2005


No, it's an OSX 10.2.8 thing, since I have both Real and WMP on my computer, and both are buggy as hell.
posted by klangklangston at 8:30 AM on December 1, 2005


(And Real has been buggy and crappy on every computer I've ever tried it on, including SotA PCs).
posted by klangklangston at 8:31 AM on December 1, 2005


Do they make Real Alternative and QT Alternative for OS X? If not, ha ha ha.
posted by rxrfrx at 8:33 AM on December 1, 2005


Kanye West doesn't care about Mac people.

symphonik wins
posted by mattr at 8:35 AM on December 1, 2005


Love the Kanye, but this song always makes me scratch my head.

Does he *really* believe the government 'administers' AIDS? Can he genuinely be that dumb?

Perhaps Kanye West doesn't care about black people?
posted by PeterMcDermott at 8:35 AM on December 1, 2005


I've never quite gotten the fuss about this gentleman, but the video was somewhat interesting.
posted by Captaintripps at 8:37 AM on December 1, 2005


As far as I'm aware, VLC plays most things.
posted by ab'd al'Hazred at 8:42 AM on December 1, 2005


Kayne and Pympton?

anyway, great song and video.

The "toy sounding piano" is Natalie Cole "Someone That I Used To Love". Kanye is always pretty clever with the samples.
posted by First Post at 8:46 AM on December 1, 2005


If this is the same clip I saw last week of Kanye introducing the video on MTV, I love how he explains, "it was done by a famous animator named Bill Plympton." He says it as if he's been told Bill Pympton is famous and he just taking someone else's word for it.

Love Plympton, but I agree I've seen better. Nothing beats The Tune
posted by Robot Johnny at 9:06 AM on December 1, 2005


I thought this was going to be good.

In fact reading this FPP immediately brought to mind a really great video for a catchy pop/hip hop song I saw a few years back, animated in a similar but better style. It can be downloaded here -

One-T - The Magic Key

(direct link to zip, video is .rm unfortunately)

By the looks of it there are some other great animated music videos on that page too.
posted by fire&wings at 9:11 AM on December 1, 2005


One note from that white dude and I went from "meh" to "force quit."
posted by squirrel at 9:17 AM on December 1, 2005


Too bad I don't have a soundcard...
posted by delmoi at 9:17 AM on December 1, 2005


Sounds like every other rap song. This is not entertainment nor is it art. It's laziness.
posted by wfc123 at 9:30 AM on December 1, 2005


Sounds like every other rap song. This is not entertainment nor is it art. It's laziness.

Right, because if it doesn't entertain you, it's not entertainment. Thanks captain solipsist.
posted by delmoi at 9:38 AM on December 1, 2005


But it doesn't have swears and booty references, I don't think it counts as rap. Maybe pop?
posted by parallax7d at 9:39 AM on December 1, 2005


wfc123, you can talk once you've learned how to sample/isolate sounds/produce a listenable beat/scratch/pitch shift/freestyle/work a crowd etc. etc.. I'm tired of hearing this uninformed shit. Statements like that should stay at Fark.

[although I will admit there are far better producers out there]
posted by cloeburner at 9:41 AM on December 1, 2005


wfc123 : "Sounds like every other rap song. This is not entertainment nor is it art. It's laziness."

Sounds like every other complaint about genres an author doesn't like. This comment is neither informative nor interesting. It's laziness.

So is mine.
posted by Bugbread at 9:44 AM on December 1, 2005


kanye is a disgrace
posted by suni at 10:01 AM on December 1, 2005


Kanye West is a great artist.. he says some dumb things but at least he's honest with his feelings.. just goes with whatever his gut and reactions says.. He does stop to think of being PC and what will this group of people say.. He says what a lot of people think..

If you check all his videos you'll see that he is very unique and has a style of his own.. And this song sounds nothing like any other rap song.. I can say the same about any genre of music (it's just the same guitar riff, etc)..

I mean this video and song shows that he's different.

Exhibit #1: use of Maroon 5 singer and not of a typical R&B singer..

Exhibit #2: Jon Brion on the keyboards. Jon Brion is credited as a co-producer on this track - Jon Brion 's credentials include Music producer/composer, songwriter and multi-instrumentalist. He collaborated and/or produced albums of Aimee Mann, Fiona Apple, Rufus Wainwright, David Byrne, and the Eels. Typical rap artist would enlist P. Diddy, Lil Jon, Just Blaze, Dr. Dre, etc..

Exhibit #3: video is mostly cartoons! - commercial rap is mainly hardcore and gangsta.. cartoons are so ungangsta.. i dont remember any music video as of late from any genre use cartoons.. Kanye picked a very good cartoonist too.. one with his own style

Exhibit #4: song's message: "I heard em say, nothing's ever promised tomorrow today" -
"In Jesus, and one day that she'll see him
Till then in walk his footsteps and try to be him,
The devil is alive, I feel him breathin'
Claimin' money is the key, so keep on dreamin'"

He's a conscious MC rather than talking about big cars, fat asses and how his money stacks are taller than you are.. This isn't a song for the clubs but rather easy listening to chill to.. and the message is very untypical..


Just cause you don't like a genre of music cause media likes to pick on them of a lot of society's ills doesn't mean you should shut your mind to it.
posted by pez_LPhiE at 10:03 AM on December 1, 2005


wfc123

I don't know if you've been around the world long enough (or are philosophical enough) to notice, but it just so turns out that every genre you're not very familiar with "all sounds the same." This happened with my forays into metal and jazz and classical. It all sounded the same... at first. (I refuse to learn country, but yes, it all sounds like guitar twangs and whiny accents and depressing lyrics to me.)

It might even be a multi-sensory phenomenon. When I first tried sushi, it all just tasted like soy and wasabe... no more.

Perhaps you should return to your Creedence tho. ;)
posted by Lectrick at 10:05 AM on December 1, 2005


delmoi: I object. If anyone is to be referred to as Captain Solipsist, it's me. Fucko.
posted by Captaintripps at 10:09 AM on December 1, 2005


cloeburner: So you have to be a producer before you can criticise other producers? Do you apply the same logic across all artistic fields? Beyond art?

'Did you enjoy that book cloeburner?'
'Excuse me, as I am currently unpublished I feel ill-equipped to comment.'

'How was the flight?'
'Excuse me, as I am unqualified to act as a pilot I feel ill-equipped to comment.'

Regardless of wfc123's lazy criticism (Music today? It's just noise!) your argument doesn't fly.
posted by biffa at 10:09 AM on December 1, 2005


Music today? It's just noise!

this is your cue that you've gotten too old - "turn down that racket, you mangey kids! Back in my day, we used REAL instruments not just 2 turntables a microphone"
posted by pez_LPhiE at 10:15 AM on December 1, 2005


I think you're taking my statement out of context. This is someone who is obviously uninformed about the nuances of the genre.

His statement is more like saying, "All Indian food tastes the same/has the same ingredients" when it's obvious that he has never actually looked at a recipe to make an Indian dish or tried a wide variety of Indian dishes.

You don't need to be able to perform in able to criticize, but you do need to know what it takes to construct in order to criticize.
posted by cloeburner at 10:19 AM on December 1, 2005


You should all be buggy-whipped! Get off my lawn!
posted by squirrel at 10:20 AM on December 1, 2005


[rant]

I dare anyone to listen to the latest Talib Kweli, or the latest Roots, or anything produced by El-P, just to name three recent examples, and tell me what you're hearing is not art. "It Takes a Nation of Millions" by Public Enemy certainly qualifies as art -- it still sounds ahead of it's time -- and it was released almost 20 years ago.

The same people who said "rap isn't music" then are still saying it now, despite quantum leaps and dozens of landmark artists in the genre. It's not that rap isn't music, or isn't art....but that some people are closeminded dweebs who thought it was an insightful thing to say 20 years ago and never updated their stance. Maybe in their bubble it was excusable then, when hiphop was in it's infancy, but today it's just outright ignorance.

I have a rule...which applies to rap like it applies to any other genre of modern music, 5% (at most) is brilliant, and most of the other 95+% is a pale impersonation of that 5%, succeeding to varying degrees.

Don't tell me rock, or country, or (insert your favorite genre here) is immune from that rule, because it isn't. If you doubt me, turn on your favorite ClearChannel "today's rock" station, and explain why I shouldn't judge the entire genre of rock music by the latest asinine Nirvana impersonation I hear. Does all rock music use quiet verses and loud choruses, with guitar solos that last eight bars and mimic the melody?

Because if I was ignorant of the Decemberists, or of Radiohead, or of System of a Down -- and all I ever heard was the same 12 friggin Nirvana impersonators on any random commercial rock station...I'd say it all sounds the same to me. Rock sucks. It's not art. And with that closedminded dismissiveness, I'd probably have never heard "Nevermind" by the brilliant band they were all impersonating so badly.

Just like I'll bet most of the haters have never heard "The Blueprint", or "Ready to Die", or "The Beautiful Struggle", because they never allowed anything to pierce their comfortable bubble. They listened to Hot97 for ten minutes and hated every second of it, condemned the genre forever.

If you're that person...rap doesn't suck. You do.

[/rant]
posted by edverb at 10:27 AM on December 1, 2005


MetaFilter: Doesn't suck. You do.
posted by Captaintripps at 10:30 AM on December 1, 2005


since wfc123 hasn't responded to his detractors, I shall do so for him:

"You're right. I don't know what I was thinking. I wholeheartedly apologize and promise that I will do better in the future. Thank you, MetaFilter."
posted by shmegegge at 10:31 AM on December 1, 2005


I want Kanye West to cover the SmileCorp Corporation Anthem.
posted by Foosnark at 10:32 AM on December 1, 2005


I'm suprised to see hostility on metafilter to the first Gay rapper.

*cough*.
posted by delmoi at 10:34 AM on December 1, 2005


I have a rule...which applies to rap like it applies to any other genre of modern music, 5% (at most) is brilliant, and most of the other 95+% is a pale impersonation of that 5%, succeeding to varying degrees.

You are correct, sir!

Is there any need to further point out that say, the song "FIgaro" from the recent, brilliant, Madvilliany does not remotely sound like, say, the song "Life's a Bitch" from the also brilliant Illmatic? And that both are rap, and high art?
posted by kosem at 10:39 AM on December 1, 2005


(Music today? It's just noise!)

No. That's not noise.
This is noise.

Then again, so is this crap.
posted by daq at 11:04 AM on December 1, 2005


Wow, I never expected to see such hard-core rap fans in Metafilter! (hard-core as in underground, backpacker, not gangsta)

Illmatic is greatest rap album in my opinion but it's not for everyone's taste.. it's a fine wine and you need to be eased into the genre and develop a sophisticated taste for it before fully appreciate what an acheivement it is.. The rap lyrics are pure poetry.. and when heard over a wicked beat with Nas' flow.. man.. it's just nuts.. esp at a time when noone else did it.. Yea, I said it! RAP CAN BE POETRY! *thinks about making post about it.. nah*

but yea, people that see Kanye and just say rap sucks are not cool people.. Kanye is a decent rapper but an incredible producer..
posted by pez_LPhiE at 11:12 AM on December 1, 2005


Ugh... I really like Kanye West... but this video looks like a work in progress or something. Like this is just the proof of concept for when they make the REAL video.
posted by cusack at 11:42 AM on December 1, 2005


I don't really care for Kanye the rapper or his persona, but he is a good producer and at least tries to keep it a little less formulaic. He's also the first mainstream Emo rapper, in that he's a giant fucking whiny baby. I will forever love him for killing it with that Max Romeo sample on the Black Album.

For all the Rap isn't music people, all I can say is "Fuck Compton" where you = compton. You've obviously never had to sneak an Uzi on island in your army jacket lining or hit the earth like a comet, invasion, been like an Afrocentric Asian, half man half amazin'.
posted by Divine_Wino at 11:54 AM on December 1, 2005


there's going to be a nother video for this song, directed by michel gondry and set in macy's.
posted by paul_smatatoes at 12:09 PM on December 1, 2005


Aceyalone. Book of Human Language.
posted by iron chef morimoto at 12:10 PM on December 1, 2005


I'm suprised to see hostility on metafilter to the first Gay rapper.

First gay rapper was Eric Sermon, the Green Eyed Bandit. Dust off your back issues of the Source and you'll see the truth.

(Well clearly not the first one, but the one who was rumored to be THE gay rapper.)
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:13 PM on December 1, 2005


Also, not to start a fight or anything, but Mos Def > Talib Kweli. YMMV, but I think it's pretty obvious when you listen to any of the Blackstar albums.
posted by iron chef morimoto at 12:14 PM on December 1, 2005


Yeah, it's clear that Mos Def was clearly dominant in flow and lyrics (esp in "Definition") but Talib still kills it..

Eric Sermon was THE GAY rapper? I didnt know that and I don't believe it.. I could've sworn that it was goign to Slick Rick.. either him or Dr. Dre...

since we're just talkin about rappers in general, Nas = GOAT (Greatest Of All Time for the uninitiated)..
posted by pez_LPhiE at 12:19 PM on December 1, 2005


Well I have no idea who THE gay rapper was, it's just funny to think it might have been E Double.

I don't agree that Nas was the greatest, but he's way the fuck up there. Then again I don't know if there is a greatest.
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:27 PM on December 1, 2005


Also, not to start a fight or anything, but Mos Def > Talib Kweli. YMMV, but I think it's pretty obvious when you listen to any of the Blackstar albums.

on the Blackstar albums it's arguable...but it's also arguable that The Beautiful Struggle > The New Danger. YMMV.
posted by edverb at 12:38 PM on December 1, 2005


^ also a true statement.. Talib puts out better albums..
posted by pez_LPhiE at 12:39 PM on December 1, 2005


what's YMMV mean?
posted by pez_LPhiE at 12:40 PM on December 1, 2005


YMMV=your mileage may vary
posted by edverb at 12:43 PM on December 1, 2005


It's the cool new way to say IMHO.

I'm a tool.
posted by iron chef morimoto at 12:45 PM on December 1, 2005


47161: It's a rap debate and an acronym primer, all in one!
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:57 PM on December 1, 2005


This would've been way better/more credible if they'd replaced Jamie Lidell with the generic white guy. For a second, I thought it was him. Then he opened his mouth.
posted by dvdgee at 12:58 PM on December 1, 2005


Wow, I never expected to see such hard-core rap fans in Metafilter! (hard-core as in underground, backpacker, not gangsta)

Why? There are a lot of white people on Metafilter.
posted by Falconetti at 12:58 PM on December 1, 2005


All cartoons look the same these days. It's either Klasky-Csupo with the bug-ugly lips, sub ren-and-stimpy big arsed semi-humour, or some fat stupid dude saying fat stupid stuff. I remeber when cartoons where a special event, when the latest, lovingly crafted adventures of donald or goofy, felix or popeye would have us racing to the screen. These days, it's not cartoons, it's just frigging moving sketches with the odd sound of wafting flatulence.

(Also YMMV is freaking old already. Damn kids. Did I suffer through usenet for NOTHING?)
posted by Sparx at 1:12 PM on December 1, 2005


He's a conscious MC rather than talking about big cars

...pulled up in the Benz... drive off in a Hyundai...

fat asses

...I'm looking for the one, have you seen her? My psychic told me she got an ass like Serena, Trina, Jennifer Lopez...

and how his money stacks

...she take my moneeeey when I'm in neeeed...

Nah, sorry, I'm only being an arse ;)
I love that track, and yeah, you're quite right he's got his own style.

And he looks smashing, which doesn't hurt.
posted by funambulist at 1:21 PM on December 1, 2005


Daq, that's power-noise & terror ebm. This is noise! ;)
posted by starscream at 1:40 PM on December 1, 2005


on the Blackstar albums it's arguable...but it's also arguable that The Beautiful Struggle > The New Danger. YMMV.

Beautiful Struggle kills The New Danger IMO.

Nas is not the G.O.A.T., but Illmatic is in the running for #1...I won't start the who's the greatest debate.

Also MC Lyte is another gay rapper.

posted by kosem at 2:44 PM on December 1, 2005


obviously mf doom rules rap (maybe all human sound making that ever was) and not acknowledging this fact makes whole metafilter look silly

nas is "the" gay rapper (cos he's unable to express this part of himself even being tgoat)
posted by suni at 3:06 PM on December 1, 2005


suni:

1. See above.

2. Stop feeding babies colored sugar coated lard squares.
posted by kosem at 3:10 PM on December 1, 2005


Falconetti: I don't know if I should say this but:

What did one white guy say to the other?

Have you heard the new Kanye West*?

*Insert: Talib, Common, Mos Def, Dead Prez... etc.
posted by Jeff_Larson at 3:23 PM on December 1, 2005


It's such a coincidence to come across this thread as I saw the video for the first time last night. I just downloaded the song and have been listening to it on repeat for the last 15 minutes or so--love the keyboards on this track, and Adam Levine is hot.
posted by phoenixc at 4:02 PM on December 1, 2005


obviously mf doom rules rap (maybe all human sound making that ever was) and not acknowledging this fact makes whole metafilter look silly

Doom 'aint got nothing on King Geedorah...
posted by SweetJesus at 4:27 PM on December 1, 2005


Jeff_Larson: I can't find the lyrics online right now, but I think you should listen to "And This Is For" on Murs's Murs 3:16-The 9th Edition for an honest take by a conflicted MC on the topic you address in your comment.

Also, see Common's verse in Act Too on Things Fall Apart:
"As of late I realized, that this is H.E.R. fate
Or destiny that brings the best of me
It's like God is testin me
In _Retrospect_ I see she brought _Life_ and death to me
Peace to us collectively, live and direct when we perform
It's just coffee shop chicks and white dudes
Over H.E.R. I got into it with that nigga Ice Cube

Now the fight moved to in life, makin the right moves
Besides God and family, you my life's jewel"

posted by kosem at 4:31 PM on December 1, 2005


kosem: thanks for pointing that out : )

ghidra might be competing with doom about the top spot ;)

pedal on the floor, thirsty for score, fastlane
destination, top of the cash game
posted by suni at 4:42 PM on December 1, 2005


What other blackstar album besides blackstar is there?
posted by nomad at 6:10 PM on December 1, 2005


Kanye West doesn't care about Mac people.

Plays just fine and dandy on my Mac.

Don't let your laziness justify Windoze luzers' ignorant stereotypes about Mac users.
posted by Rothko at 6:42 PM on December 1, 2005


nomad: there's only one blackstar album
mos def made "black on both sides" (good) and "the new danger" (mixed travesty)
kweli made "reflection eternal" with hi-tek (great), "quality", "the beautiful struggle" (both insecure, weak production), just released a mix cd called "right about now" and there might be a new kweli & hi-tek cd in 2006
kweli and hi-tek were also part of a group called mood that released an album called doom, i remember it being great (but the memory might be wrong)
posted by suni at 6:59 PM on December 1, 2005


Liked the song and the video. It's actually quite representative of Plympton's work - hand-drawn, crude, stream-of-consciousness, not exactly mind-blowing but meaningful nonetheless.

And yes, Kanye loves Mac people. He friggin performed at an Apple "special event" a few months ago. (albeit, embarassingly. Not to Kanye: Don't do "Golddigger" in front of a bunch of nerds.)
posted by fungible at 7:57 PM on December 1, 2005


Doom's over-rated by white backpackers. Reflection Eternal is mediocre. Black Star is the best thing Mos Def and Talib ever did.

And Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin' to fuck with.
(If anyone needs me, I'll be out in the parking lot telling kids that Ludicris hasn't been good since he rolled them 'bows and that Drop It Like It's Hot was the best rap song last year...)
posted by klangklangston at 9:04 PM on December 1, 2005


yo dawgs, dont diss on kanye... you all have a blank sheet of your own and you can fill it up any way you like... so lets see em
posted by Satapher at 11:19 PM on December 1, 2005


despite the fact that this video could easily be the trailer for Brokeback Mountain 2: The Dark Side and that Bill Plympton's considerable talents were completely wasted, i still love that fucking song and that fucking guy. Kanye. there's something about him.

i met him on a mountain. we were by ourselves. for months.
posted by Hat Maui at 3:00 AM on December 2, 2005


^ on a mountain? Is there a reference I'm missing or is that a weird metaphor for something?
posted by pez_LPhiE at 6:20 AM on December 2, 2005


Doom's over-rated by white backpackers.

Really?

See: #1 Indy Hip Hop Album of the Year [sic]
#1 Underground MC of the year


From HipHop Site.

See also: All Hip Hop Reviews

See also

I dunno. Is "underground" and "indie" code for white (and if so, is that delegitimizing)? I wonder if Ghostface cares? I can understand not liking Doom. He's WAY out there...but the "white backpacker" dis is a little tired.

And is it possible to overrate the skills of the person who wrote this, or this?
posted by kosem at 10:07 AM on December 2, 2005


I don't think it's possible to overrate doom, I say this as a white man who does not "backpack". I have also asked several black people and they agree, since I had broken the ice I also asked them if it was true about what the ladies say and why they talked so loud in the movie theatres?

Some fucking insecure little babies in this thread.
posted by Divine_Wino at 10:56 AM on December 2, 2005


DOOM is overrated? If anything DOOM is underrated, especially as a producer. He's just got a killer style of production that is instantly recognizable. Just like every other tin-can bounce xylophone beat is instantly recognizable as the Neptunes, you know a DOOM production as soon as you hear it. I can't say that about too many other producers, other than maybe Premier and Timberland.
posted by SweetJesus at 12:35 PM on December 2, 2005


I'd like to say I have a pretty sophisticated taste of hip-hop but I never could get into DOOM.. people rave about him but he never did it for me.
posted by pez_LPhiE at 1:16 PM on December 2, 2005


Try Dangerdoom, it's the gateway drug for the metal face.
posted by Divine_Wino at 1:54 PM on December 2, 2005


^ on a mountain? Is there a reference I'm missing or is that a weird metaphor for something?

alluding to my earlier joke that the interplay between kanye and adam levine was like brokeback mountain 2: the dark side.

see, in brokeback mountain, these two total hottie cowboys hang out on this mountain, and then they find they can't resist each other...

look, there's easier ways to tell me my joke was dumb. like "that was a dumb joke."
posted by Hat Maui at 3:44 PM on December 2, 2005


btw kanye's boyfriend is a guy called john legend

i heard black people only listen to paul wall and lil wayne nowadays
posted by suni at 5:41 AM on December 3, 2005


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