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	<title>Comments on: Cellini and his salt cellar</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:35:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Cellini and his salt cellar</title>
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		<description>Benvenuto Cellini&#8212;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boglewood.com/cornaro/xcellini.html&quot;&gt;sculptor&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bartleby.com/31/&quot;&gt;untrustworthy autobiographer&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.glbtq.com/arts/cellini_b.html&quot;&gt;convicted sodomite&lt;/a&gt;&#8212;was in the news recently when one of his works, &quot;the Mona Lisa of Sculpture,&quot; made the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/arttheft/arttheft.htm&quot;&gt;FBI&apos;s Top Ten Art Heists&lt;/a&gt; list. His Saliera, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cellini/saltcell.html&quot;&gt;salt cellar&lt;/a&gt;, which he designed for Francis I while in residence at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fontainebleau-tourisme.com/VERSION_GB/default.htm&quot;&gt;Fontainebleau&lt;/a&gt;, is valued at US$55 million. It was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2083452/&quot;&gt;stolen in May 2003&lt;/a&gt;; people purporting to be the thieves &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cronaca.com/archives/001359.html&quot;&gt;demanded &#0163;3.5 million&lt;/a&gt; in ransom in August 2003. It&apos;s still missing. (The piece is so fragile that it&apos;s likely that it won&apos;t survive its latest adventure.) &lt;small&gt;More about Cellini at &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benvenuto_Cellini&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/small&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:56:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cranberry</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125393</link>	
		<description>Such research, goatdog! Nice work. I hope to find time to read the Cellini autobiogrphy. I feel like such a peasant with my salt shakers.</description>
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		<title>By: R. Mutt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125396</link>	
		<description>Cellini&apos;s  &lt;a href=http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/cellini_benvenuto.html&gt; Artcyclopedia &lt;/a&gt;page.

(*wonders how much cocaine a salt cellar would hold... and whose desk it might be sitting on.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:37:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>R. Mutt</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125403</link>	
		<description>Allow me to put in a plug for Berlioz&apos;s wonderful &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/reviews/story/0,11712,1370007,00.html&quot;&gt;opera&lt;/a&gt; &lt;em&gt;Benvenuto Cellini.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:45:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: delmoi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125405</link>	
		<description>To be honest, that&apos;s kind of ugly.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:45:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: redbeard</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125412</link>	
		<description>Also star of the puppet show &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.greenfools.com/cellini.html&quot;&gt;The Death of Benvenuto Cellini&lt;/a&gt; by the Green Fools</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:49:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: goatdog</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125414</link>	
		<description>And watch Fredric March in &lt;a href=&quot;http://imdb.com/title/tt0024816/&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Affairs of Cellini&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:52:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: StickyCarpet</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125416</link>	
		<description>Mentioned in the wonderful book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0142001619/qid=1133473667/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7775065-1259825?n=507846&amp;s=books&amp;v=glance&quot;&gt;Salt&lt;/a&gt;, prior to the theft.  I&apos;m using the original newspaper report as a bookmark.

(&lt;a href=&quot;http://search.ebay.com/salt-pepper_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfromZR3QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQkeywordZonQQsacatZQ2d1QQstrkwZQ20salt&quot;&gt;just checking...&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:53:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: R. Mutt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125418</link>	
		<description>Mannerism: &lt;em&gt;To be honest, that&apos;s kind of ugly.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:53:31 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>R. Mutt</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: like_neon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125528</link>	
		<description>I find the theft of artwork itself fascinating.  Not that I&apos;m defending it, but what is the black market for these items like?  Are there just these enormously rich art lovers out there who want to stare at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/arttheft/topten/cezanne.htm&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; so bad that they would resort to thievery, only to be able to stare at it in the privacy of their bathroom for fear of discovery?  

Or could you trade these for tons of cocaine or something?  Am I missing a point somewhere?  Maybe &lt;strong&gt;R.Mutt&lt;/strong&gt; is right and the thief just wants a unique (but ugly) cocaine storage unit.

They can&apos;t be stealing it to show off to their rich friends, because I&apos;d imagine someone would, you know, tell on them eventually.  And besides, if someone liked art THAT MUCH, wouldn&apos;t they see the value in leaving it in the museum for the world to appreciate?  I understand maybe siezing art for destruction, ie like book burning (totally stupid, but I &lt;em&gt;understand &lt;/em&gt;that motive), but to steal just to &lt;strong&gt;have&lt;/strong&gt;?  I don&apos;t get it.

*goes off to watch the Thomas Crown Affair*</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:45:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: StickyCarpet</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125532</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;They can&apos;t be stealing it to show off to their rich friends, because I&apos;d imagine someone would, you know, tell on them eventually. &lt;/em&gt;

Unless all your rich friends are murderers, and you have secured the evidence.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:54:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: like_neon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125543</link>	
		<description>You have a point.  Art stealers probably do not hang out with the most forthright company.

What if it&apos;s some bizarre one-upmanship scenario?

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Hey lookit this, Eddie, I yoinked a gen-u-wine Van Gough.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Thas nuthin, man. Checkit. Cellini&apos;s salt cellar.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Yo, to be honest dawg, that&apos;s kinda ugly.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:06:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125563</link>	
		<description>Cellini&apos;s &lt;i&gt;Autobiography&lt;/i&gt; is on my short-list. First came across it while reading &lt;i&gt;Huckelberry Finn&lt;/i&gt;--Cellini&apos;s autobiography was a favorite of Mark Twains and he incorporated some Cellini&apos;s famous escape techniques in Jim&apos;s satirical escape at the end of the book. I then ran across it again while reading Balzac&apos;s &lt;i&gt;Le pere Goriot&lt;/i&gt;; Cellini was a household name for most of the 19th century.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:26:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joeforking</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125573</link>	
		<description>Informative post, I must have missed the salt cellar getting nicked. It is a legendary piece.
I&apos;ll ask around.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:33:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: klangklangston</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1125841</link>	
		<description>Heh. When I saw Cellini, the only thing I could think of was the salt cellar from Art History. Lo, that&apos;s what we&apos;re talkin&apos; &apos;bout. 

Gaudy but gorgeous.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:59:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: altolinguistic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1126077</link>	
		<description>Am I the only person here to have taken part in a performance of the complete opera &apos;Benvenuto Cellini&apos; by Berlioz (as plugged by languagehat)? I thought so...</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:27:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: R. Mutt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1127878</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Am I the only person here to have taken part in a performance of the complete opera &apos;Benvenuto Cellini&apos; by Berlioz (as plugged by languagehat)? I thought so...&lt;/em&gt;

.... so, does this opera have casrati?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:06:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: altolinguistic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1128965</link>	
		<description>not in my experience ;)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:22:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mdoar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/47175/Cellini-and-his-salt-cellar#1129047</link>	
		<description>His autobiography was one of my favourite books as a child. Not that I admired him much even then, but he was a man of his time. And if there was someone to offend, Mr. Cellini usually managed to do so.

&quot;Now I know what the word of a Pope is worth&quot;

~Matt</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:20:16 -0800</pubDate>
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