Comments on: Fripp sells out

Fripp sells out

Blazecock Pileon — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:22:15 -0800

Robert Fripp sells out to Microsoft, but at least we get to watch him build up a beautiful Frippertronics piece (wmp req'd).

By: geoff.

geoff. — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:25:31 -0800

I wish I got paid ungodly amounts of money to compose what amounts to be elevator music in short clips. I don't know why they don't just go with Vivaldi's Sposa son disprezzata as the PC boots. No royalties!

By: quonsar

quonsar — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:26:29 -0800

start me up!

By: davebush

davebush — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:35:46 -0800

If Apple hired Fripp, the idea would be way cool.

By: xmutex

xmutex — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:38:24 -0800

If Apple hired Fripp, the idea would be way cool. Yeah, and there'd be this huge glowing thread on MeFi about how wonderful it is of Fripp to contribute his music to such a cool project, and about how Jobs is such a visionary, and what good taste! Instead he's a "sell out". This is fucking dumb.

By: JeffK

JeffK — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:39:18 -0800

amen

By: gigbutt

gigbutt — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:39:48 -0800

I agree with xmutex. Since when is being commisioned to compose art or music a sellout?

By: Ynoxas

Ynoxas — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:40:33 -0800

Getting paid to produce your music is cool. I don't give a fuck who writes the check.

By: Plutor

Plutor — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:40:44 -0800

xmutex: "Instead he's a "sell out". This is fucking dumb." I'm no Apple-and-Google-threads-mean-you-guys-are-fanboys detractor, but I have to agree. We could have done without the editorializing, Blazecock Pileon.

By: kbanas

kbanas — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:43:04 -0800

I got agree with everyone else. And by everyone else, I mean xmutex.

By: 40 Watt

40 Watt — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:46:52 -0800

Besides, Brian Eno "sold out" to Microsoft last time around, and last time I checked he's still making an assload of interesting music.

By: carter

carter — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:47:04 -0800

Saw him play over 20 years ago. The music's still cool - thanks!

By: bondcliff

bondcliff — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:47:29 -0800

Has Fripp written anti-Microsoft songs in the past? If not, how is this "selling out?" And I totally agree about the Apple thing.

By: OmieWise

OmieWise — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:47:53 -0800

I would say go easy on the guy, it's his first FPP, but I suspect, given the info on his user page, that he's a sockpuppet. Maybe xmutex's?

By: parallax7d

parallax7d — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:51:03 -0800

Lousy ambient stuff. When will an OS come out with a mad drum solo for it's start up sound?

By: doctor_negative

doctor_negative — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:51:29 -0800

Since Eno did one of the previous windows start up noises, this isn't without precedent. However, since Fripp has been making the same 2 records for the past 15 years (over and over), I can't see that it's anything to get excited about. While I'm no fan of Windows or MS, having worked for both Apple and Microsoft, I can say the MS had much cooler art hanging in it's buildings than any other company I've worked for. Real avant-garde stuff, not bought, in bulk, to match the couch or the carpet. They had had pieces that i still remember after not working there for 5 years.

By: bendybendy

bendybendy — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:07:12 -0800

I think the way Looper sold out points to a whole future for artists who want to be independent and server their fans in the best possible way.

By: bendybendy

bendybendy — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:07:50 -0800

err, serve their fans.

By: three blind mice

three blind mice — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:14:28 -0800

Since when is being commisioned to compose art or music a sellout? Since Jan Hammer composed that annoying Nokia ring tone.

By: pdb

pdb — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:14:47 -0800

Is "selling out" even a relevant term any more, now that everyone from Iggy Pop to the Mooney Suzuki has done it? People under about 25 have never lived in a world where musicians haven't sold their work to the highest commercial bidder when given the opportunity.

By: xmutex

xmutex — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:17:55 -0800

I need to look into selling out in 2006. Seems a lot better than schlubbing around in the corporate world. Perhaps we can start an AskMe thread about it.

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:35:41 -0800

I can't possibly see how this is selling out. It would be one thing if they were using "20th Century Schizoid Man" for their commercials or something. However, from what I can tell, he's being commissioned to write new pieces of music, which would make MS his patron. What's wrong with MS hiring somebody talented to record their sounds? You would prefer Ashlee Simpson, maybe?

By: cellphone

cellphone — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:36:44 -0800

I wonder what percentage of people would do the same given the opportunity. I'm guessing the percentage is something like 99.9%.

By: Jairus

Jairus — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:39:54 -0800

Seriously. Being hired to compose on contract is much different than getting paid a million bucks to license "Kill The Poor" for a Berkshire Hathaway ad, or anything equally sell-out-ish.

By: Jairus

Jairus — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:48:37 -0800

...on second thought, I think Lockheed Martin or Halliburton would've worked much better in my post.

By: xmutex

xmutex — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:50:29 -0800

I wonder what percentage of people would do the same given the opportunity. I'm guessing the percentage is something like 99.9%. Holing up in a lush recording studio and getting paid lots of money to write whatever the hell you want? That'd be a lifetime opportunity.

By: 8 Bit

8 Bit — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:50:45 -0800

exactly. there is still such a thing as selling out, and this isn't it. who keeps their windows sounds on anyhow?

By: googly

googly — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:04:44 -0800

When will an OS come out with a mad drum solo for it's start up sound? I would applaud this wholeheartedly. I might be the only thing in the universe that could cure me of my computer addiction.

By: googly

googly — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:05:06 -0800

Er...It might be the only thing...

By: borkus

borkus — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:14:19 -0800

They should have had the Shins do the music for the start up sound. Then Vista would have been the operating system that changes your life.

By: hal9k

hal9k — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:19:23 -0800

Hey, I'm all for Robert Fripp but that kinda sounds like what my 13 year old does with loops in GarageBand.

By: InfidelZombie

InfidelZombie — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:31:37 -0800

I might be the only thing in the universe that could cure me of my computer addiction. That's the coolest typo ever.

By: mrblondemang

mrblondemang — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:31:41 -0800

A musician getting paid is never selling out, even if it is to MS. Also see: Flaming Lips

By: 2sheets

2sheets — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:00:17 -0800

Yeah, why can't he just toil away in obscurity and die of a heroin overdose like a real artist? Dumb.

By: Blue Stone

Blue Stone — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:32:38 -0800

Oh, come on. I'm a rather substantial Eno fan - and that carries over somewhat substantially to Mr. Fripp - but I have something of an issue with either of them doing anything for the benefit of Microsoft ... because Microsoft is an unethical business (and let me spell it out for the educationally challenged) in a way that Apple is not. How difficult is that to understand?

By: Blue Stone

Blue Stone — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:33:27 -0800

Appologies for the repetition of "substantial" in that last post.

By: It's Raining Florence Henderson

It's Raining Florence Henderson — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:34:37 -0800

OMG!!! Michelangelo sells out to the fundies!!! News at 11:00, October 31, 1512.

By: Jairus

Jairus — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:58:10 -0800

Blue Stone: You not agreeing with the business practices of a company that Eno and Fripp work for is fine, but that has nothing to do with them having sold out. If Eno and Fripp had been longstanding advocates of open-source software, and then took the MS contracts, they'd be selling out. However, unless they previously had a political/business/personal view/stance incompatible with working for MS, which they then moved directly against by selling out their services, they're not selling out. If you want to see recent examples of selling out, take a look at Anti-Flag and Against Me! -- they're selling out because they're going against their ideals so they can make a few extra bucks. Fripp's ideals aren't opposed to MS, AFAIK.

By: Jairus

Jairus — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:11:49 -0800

Also see: Bill Leeb, Joe Strummer, everyone in Dead Kennedys who is not Jello Biafra, and everyone in The Doors who is not dead or John Densmore.

By: Blue Stone

Blue Stone — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:24:44 -0800

I'm personally not accusing them of 'selling out', Jairus, just that the decision to work for such a disreputable and shady organisation as Microsoft, is perhaps not one of their better decisions. I cheered (and I think I may have punched the air to tell you the truth) when I read Eno saying that he wouldn't give an interview to, I think it was The Sun, because, he 'didn't do work for Murdoch'. I think of both Eno and Fripp as fundementally good people. I can't say that about Gates and the Microsoft dream™. Fripp working for Microsoft makes my smile turn upside down.

By: 2sheets

2sheets — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:32:23 -0800

"because Microsoft is an unethical business (and let me spell it out for the educationally challenged) in a way that ~~Apple is not~~ Steve Jobs can only dream of."

By: Dr-Baa

Dr-Baa — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:55:20 -0800

Wow. When I eventually install MS Vista on the computers in the office, I'll make sure the default theme on every one of them is Fripp's. Then, for an asterisk event you get "wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrwrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" for twenty minutes.

By: mokey

mokey — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:04:24 -0800

Holing up in a lush recording studio and getting paid lots of money to write whatever the hell you want? I hardly think this "Fripp" character is allowed to write whatever the hell he wants. If, for example, his composition was nothing but a succession of farting noises, I doubt his work would be used, however fantastic we all might agree that would be.

By: Dunwitty

Dunwitty — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:34:46 -0800

When will an OS come out with a mad drum solo for it's start up sound? While sharing an office with three others, the startup sound on my Mac was Van Halen's "Eruption" - the whole thing. After a week of this, one of my office-mates turned to me and said, "Motherfucker, if I hear 'Eruption' one more time without then hearing 'Pretty Woman', we're going to have a problem." Ah.... good times.

By: kenko

kenko — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:48:32 -0800

However, unless they previously had a political/business/personal view/stance incompatible with working for MS, which they then moved directly against by selling out their services, they're not selling out. Actually, this is arguably the case with Fripp.

By: Acey

Acey — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:49:31 -0800

Am I missing something? Did Crimson ever have a strong anti-corporate stance? If this was Thom Yorke or something I could see your point, but what the hell?

By: davebush

davebush — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:50:00 -0800

Microsoft and Apple both produce products that enable people to get work done. Both operating systems fail at times. Both companies are quite interested in making money. Can we move on?

By: pracowity

pracowity — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:56:05 -0800

OK, maybe he's not selling out, maybe it really is true that there's no such thing as selling out these days, but this is a bit sad:

Microsoft man: Robert, why don't you build up a five to seven minute loop. You find the theme, the texture, the context that goes back to what Jenny described early this morning, which is the idea that Vista is... embodies the Aero principles, it's clear, confident, and connected. Fripp: And has green and blue. Microsoft man: And has plenty of green and blue. Microsoft woman: Cooler temperatures. Versus warm. Fripp: Green and blue...

And then Fripp, after taking direction from the Microsoft folk (not collaborating with, for example, Bowie or Eno), sits and creates music for selling an operating system. Or maybe it's not sad. I think Eno made a Music for Operating Systems album some years back. Or would have, if he'd thought of it first. But I feel no joy at the prospect of Fripp banging out some Frippertronics to spec for any big corporation product.

By: kenko

kenko — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:59:17 -0800

Did Crimson ever have a strong anti-corporate stance? Fripp has shown lots of strong opinions about running corporations ethically, usually in the context of record labels and the music business (payment of royalties, retention of copyright, etc), but it's not such a stretch to think he'd have similar views generally.

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:05:53 -0800

because Microsoft is an unethical business (and let me spell it out for the educationally challenged) in a way that Apple is not. Sounds like somebody got lost on the way to Slashdot. How difficult is that to understand? Yeah, talk to us like we're children. Then we're sure to come around to your point of view.

By: bz

bz — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:38:06 -0800

Heh.

By: EiderDuck

EiderDuck — Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:00:41 -0800

because Microsoft is an unethical business (and let me spell it out for the educationally challenged) in a way that Apple is not. Okay... I'm waiting for you to spell it out.

By: bravada

bravada — Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:03:13 -0800

re: unethical Apple sells unauthorized King Crimson tracks.

By: kindall

kindall — Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:05:54 -0800

Note that Fripp is big on artist's rights. His record label, Discipline Global Mobile, explicitly leaves all copyright ownership with the artists and only licenses the rights it needs to sell the records. I am willing to bet that his agreement with Microsoft specifies that he retains copyright to the music he created in this video (normally it would be considered a work for hire and Microsoft's property). Way to stick it to the man, Robert!

By: AsYouKnow Bob

AsYouKnow Bob — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:22:37 -0800

Thanks, Dr-Baa, made me laugh. Fripp is both an interesting musician and an interesting guy. Here's more on the question of selling out: a long quote from Fripp's DGM (Discipline Global Mobile) page http://www.dgmlive.com/about.htm "Recognisable features of the ethical company involve these attributes: transparency, straightforwardness, accountability, owning-up, honesty, fairness, common decency, distributive justice. Recognisable features of a company whose base is ethically challenged are these: dissembling, use of threats, unkindness to employees, a widespread use of gagging orders, an inequitable distribution of company income. A company which: would rather conduct its business verbally (particularly with regard to disputed issues) instead of committing its views to writing; commonly resorts to litigation, or employs the frequent threat of such; employs gagging clauses as standard policy; pays its directors highly disproportionate sums in comparison with its employees; is suspect and should be avoided wherever possible. It is a sad commentary on current business and public life that this needs to be written or debated. transparency + straightforwardness = honesty accountability + owning-up = responsibility distributive justice + fairness = equity common decency = goodwill The Four Pillars of The Ethical Company Honesty Responsibility Equity Goodwill" end quote (This is Off Topic, but I found this tidbit to be too interesting not to pass on) In passing, Fripp notes : "A current item of interest (March 2005) is that Virgin US has lost the entire King Crimson catalogue of master tapes. "