Comments on: 100 Best Places to Work

100 Best Places to Work

storybored — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:36:01 -0800

The 100 Best Companies to Work For. The Top Ten starting with #1: Genentech, Wegmans, Valero Energy, Griffin Hospital, W.L. Gore, Container Store, Vision Service Plan, J.M. Smucker, REI, S.C. Johnson & Son. But The Complete List has some surprises. It puts Microsoft at #42 behind Starbucks at #29. (Starbucks pays $500 towards tuition to part-timers who work there for more than a year). By clicking on the company links on the List you get stats on employee salaries, turnover, minority hiring etc, learning for instance, that the most common job at Microsoft pays $107,000/year.

By: Faint of Butt

Faint of Butt — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:50:26 -0800

My boss lets me read MetaFilter at work.

By: allen.spaulding

allen.spaulding — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:51:09 -0800

I am surprised not to find google on that list. I'm not surprised that I don't really care.

By: fixedgear

fixedgear — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:11:01 -0800

Gee, DoD didn't make the list again.

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:11:21 -0800

Number 100 is Nike. You've got to be fucking kidding me.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:29:03 -0800

the most common job at Microsoft pays $107,000/year. Yes, but how many Gates Fellators could one company need. I kid. I have a sneaking suspicion that employees are rewarded somehow for stuffing the ballot box. Can't prove it of course, but it wouldn't suprise me.

By: interrobang

interrobang — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:30:01 -0800

Number 100 is Nike. You've got to be fucking kidding me. "Their fingers are the only ones small enough to properly insert the gromets into the air holes on the sides of the shoes!"

By: crank

crank — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:33:39 -0800

I was disturbed to find that some of these companies had somehow made their way into my portfolio. Dumped 'em!

By: smackfu

smackfu — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:46:12 -0800

Why exactly would you expect Nike to not be on the list? Or Microsoft? Why do you think that working there would be so horrible?

By: iron chef morimoto

iron chef morimoto — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:47:19 -0800

Number 100 is Nike. You've got to be fucking kidding me. They typically pay triple the average national wage in their third-world sweatshops. I'd make shoes for 12 hours a day for $106,000/year.

By: MaxVonCretin

MaxVonCretin — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:52:10 -0800

Wow - the three best companies in my state (NY) are American Express, Ernst & Young, and Goldman Sachs. I don't know about you, but I'm having a darned-tootin' hard time believing that this brilliantly perfect list was written by some wingtip-wearing cretin @ FORTUNE Magazine!

By: interrobang

interrobang — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:54:10 -0800

They typically pay triple the average national wage in their third-world sweatshops. I'd make shoes for 12 hours a day for $106,000/year. Wow, sign me up to be an eleven-year-old all over again!

By: iron chef morimoto

iron chef morimoto — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:02:48 -0800

They're sixteen.

By: allen.spaulding

allen.spaulding — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:04:34 -0800

Who knows how old they are when Nike refuses to release the locations of all their factories?

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:06:46 -0800

My bank fell off the list, after being there in 2003, 2004, and 2005. I don't know whether to be worried or overjoyed.

By: lupus_yonderboy

lupus_yonderboy — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:16:44 -0800

I know people who've worked for American Express, Goldman Sachs, and several of the other companies there. I'm very skeptical about this list as a result. In particularly, when I worked on the Street, Goldman was notorious for high aggression, high pressure, and insane work hours. Perhaps they've changed, but I've not heard anything good about them. I'm also VERY skeptical considering that Google, where I work, is not on the top 100. It's very very hard to imagine how a workplace could be any better than this.

By: brain_drain

brain_drain — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:18:30 -0800

I worked for three of the businesses on this list. Two were law firms that are accurately described as great places to work. The third, Nordstrom's, was only so-so, although that may have resulted from my being a stock clerk in the women's clothing department, which was much more difficult than any job I have held since.

By: brain_drain

brain_drain — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:19:27 -0800

Agreed re Google's snub -- the free gourmet lunches alone should merit a slot on the list.

By: mhum

mhum — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:19:48 -0800

Speaking of Nike, according to their profile page, the most common salaried position there is "Professional/Specialist General". WTF? That's pretty opaque.

By: lupus_yonderboy

lupus_yonderboy — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:21:41 -0800

Aha, now we find out why: "About 1,500 companies contacted us or were recruited to participate; of them, 466 finished the exhaustive survey process. (Any company that is at least seven years old with more than 1,000 U.S. employees is eligible.)" So they only considered 1500 companies, many of which were apparently self-selected. Of those, over 1000 fell out of their "exhaustive" survey.

By: davejay

davejay — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:40:44 -0800

The company I work for is on that list. It is a good place to work. It is not, however, a good place to work because of the work; it's a good place to work because of the compensation and perks. Arguably there are much better places for me to work if my idea of "best" includes personal satisfaction and growth. That doesn't mean I don't get those here; I've just gotten more of them at other companies not on the list. But those companies didn't offer a lot of the perks this one does, and I made a lot less money there.

By: Creosote

Creosote — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:46:41 -0800

Wow - the three best companies in my state (NY) are American Express, Ernst & Young, and Goldman Sachs. When you click on the state lists, companies are in alphabetical order. In fact the highest-ranking NY company, at #2 overall, is Wegmans Food Markets. Unless you're one o' them evil down-staters who doesn't realize that Rochester is actually in New York...

By: b1tr0t

b1tr0t — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:59:03 -0800

Most of the people who have worked for better companies leave microsoft as quickly as they can. Most of the people who still work at Microsoft have never worked for a better company. The others on the list are probably similar. Drink the kool-aid, it is tasty!

By: storybored

storybored — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:03:24 -0800

I didn't know this before but there's a research company that comes up with the ranking. On its website you can nominate any company that's missing from the list that you feel is worthy.

By: storybored

storybored — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:14:30 -0800

I was disturbed to find that some of these companies had somehow made their way into my portfolio. Dumped 'em! It's not part of the online version but the print version of the Fortune article has this to say: "Deloitte Consulting tracked...shareholder returns of the 56 publicly traded firms on the 2005 list...Fortune's best employers not only consistently beat the S&P 500 they walloped it".

By: wildcrdj

wildcrdj — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:18:27 -0800

Most of the people who have worked for better companies leave microsoft as quickly as they can. Most of the people who still work at Microsoft have never worked for a better company. Maybe ideologically driven workers, but my experience has been the opposite. Short of Google, you won't find better compensation (and that's more equal now that the stock has started to level off). To be fair, there's a huge variance in how good day-to-day work is at MSFT depending on your project and managers, but that's true of almost any large company. I've worked for many companies and interviewed at quite a few more, and the only one I'd really consider leaving MSFT for is GOOG [and even then it depends on the project].

By: forforf

forforf — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:56:32 -0800

davejay's comment mirrors my experience with one of the companies on the list (Booz Allen Hamiltion). In fact I accepted a position there based on the fact it was ranked as a such a great place to work. But the work was somewhat mind-numbing and the management seemed to have pointy hair syndrome at times. However they had good perks, but there often wasn't enough time to use them. Another company on the list, Qualcomm seems a pretty good place to work, at least the people I've dealt with from there seemed pretty happy with their employer.

By: b_thinky

b_thinky — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:07:59 -0800

Re: the Nike factories in Asia. Factory workers are technically not Nike employees, as factories are owned by subcontractors (the one I visited in Vietnam was Korean owned). Only a few Nike employees are on hand for QC. And the pay beats what they'd earn in the rice fields.

By: b_thinky

b_thinky — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:12:00 -0800

LOL they put Station Casinos on that list. I have experience there and wouldn't recommend it. What makes it so great? When the casino operator asked employees about their dreams, more than 1,200 said they dreamed of being a U.S. citizen. So Station offers free English courses, a 24-hour bilingual hotline, and citizenship clinics.

By: gottabefunky

gottabefunky — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:13:15 -0800

Where is "For yourself" on that list?

By: drstein

drstein — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:28:17 -0800

Google did not make the list simply because it's not old enough. I think the companies have to be 7 years old. Maybe it's 5. Either way, Google wasn't old enough. Apple simply didn't respond to the survey.

By: piers

piers — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:12:49 -0800

I worked at Starbucks and I have to say, despite whatever negative can be said about them, they treat their employees really well, especially compared to similar establishments. Full benefits even for part-time employees, bonuses, student scholarships, they even give loans to people in emergency situations. A coworker had to fly home to the Philippines for a family emergency and they advanced her her paycheck, interest free, for the plane tickets, to be paid back on installments out of her check.

By: lupus_yonderboy

lupus_yonderboy — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:30:21 -0800

I've also heard good things about Starbucks. You can earn a decent, living wage there or you can use it to get an education and move forward. Looking at this list again, I see that there are a lot of places that pay well but make you work very hard. GOOG is no exception to this. Really, in the long run (particularly if you are married which I am not), this is not a Good Thing.

By: crabintheocean

crabintheocean — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:45:39 -0800

Morrison and Foerster ranked a distant second in average pay. Too bad there's no "best URL" category.

By: Goofyy

Goofyy — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:15:18 -0800

Earnst & Young? Maybe a good place to work, if you don't mind a reputation for being a waste of space. I've and occasion to use their services, and they have consistently left me unsatisfied, and I didn't like their people, either. I have similar issues with PCW.

By: gfrobe

gfrobe — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:26:25 -0800

HomeBanc Mortgage What makes it so great? Prayers frequently open meetings at this faith-based mortgage banker. Dr. Dwight "Ike" Reighard, a former pastor, is "chief people officer" - he reports directly to the CEO and shepherds the company flock. Hmm...good for some I suppose.

By: hoverboards don't work on water

hoverboards don't work on water — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:41:55 -0800

And the pay beats what they'd earn in the rice fields. It really boggles my mind that some people, who otherwise claim to have the interests of the poor in mind, want to ban "sweatshops".

By: GhostintheMachine

GhostintheMachine — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:29:33 -0800

Well, it would have been nice to have a "sort by industry" option. Who cares what the pay is, or the benefits are, if the work's not in your field?

By: Dormant Gorilla

Dormant Gorilla — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:46:19 -0800

So, um...how exactly do I go about getting a job at Google? Seriously. TELL me.

By: mk1gti

mk1gti — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:55:50 -0800

What about best *call centers* to work in, it seems like that's the only jobs left in this country these days . . . .

By: iron chef morimoto

iron chef morimoto — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:06:31 -0800

So, um...how exactly do I go about getting a job at Google? Seriously. TELL me. You send them a resume. That's how my friend working there got his job. Alternatively, you could try breaking in ninja-style, slicing the security guard's throat before crawling through an air vent leading to the boardroom. There, you appear suddenly in front of the CEO, where you silently present him a picture of his family, bound and crying in an attic somewhere. He glares up at you and asks, voice trembling slightly through gritted teeth, "what do you want from me, you piece of shit?" "I'm looking for an entry-level position, sir."

By: mk1gti

mk1gti — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:25:37 -0800

"I'm looking for an entry-level position, sir." ------------------------- Such as . . . oh. . . . a Call center job !

By: MrMoonPie

MrMoonPie — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:07:21 -0800

I used to work at Ernst & Young, and it was, indeed, a good place to work. Good pay, good benefits, and a corporate culture that rewarded good work. The management wasn't terribly hierarchical, so I could easily contact higher-ups if need be. They were very sensitive to discrimination, ergonomics, and other less-tangible benefits, too. When I left, they threw me a great going-away party, and I wasn't management or anything. I honestly felt appreciated the whole time I was there. Oh, yes, I left because I hated working with a bunch of type-A accountants. Also, from what I hear, I left at just the right time, as things have gotten less fun in the last few years. But I enjoyed it while I was there.

By: iron chef morimoto

iron chef morimoto — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:15:51 -0800

Such as . . . oh. . . . a Call center job ! I'm guessing you worked in a call center at some point. I'm guessing you didn't particularly care for it.

By: mk1gti

mk1gti — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:49:22 -0800

you're guessing correctly. I'm still there. . . pray for me . . .

By: SisterHavana

SisterHavana — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:58:45 -0800

I'm surprised Costco didn't make that list.

By: rollbiz

rollbiz — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:30:08 -0800

SisterHavana, I am also surprised Costco isn't there. I was hoping to find more places to strengthen my "Big Companies Aren't Always Horrible" list for the Wal-Mart debate I continually find myself in. And mk1gti, I work in a call center and it's by the best place I've been in terms of pay, benefits, and extra perks. Free company meals all the time, great insurance, stock options, huge gift cards for the holidays...I've had better positions in name, but for once I don't hate coming to work. It's all about who's running the joint.

By: mk1gti

mk1gti — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:50:53 -0800

Yeah, I know what you mean, I've worked in call centers where it's pretty good, and this one is pretty bad. I won't say where, but I've been in and out of call centers over the years and I've never had greater incentive to save money for the sake of moving to a different job. One of the highest employee turnover rates I've ever seen. Middle management, call center employee, the pet squirrel . . . Amazing in it's mediocrity, arrogance and stupidity. I honestly wonder if anyone in senior management has run a call center or had any call center experience at all.

By: rollbiz

rollbiz — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:59:22 -0800

Fair enough, been there too, and I do agree that places like your current employer tend to be the rule rather than the exception. As to why, I think your assesment answers the question. Crappy environment/pay/perks means high turnover, high turnover means low personal investment. In such an environment, one only stays until they can find something else and only works hard enough not to get fired.

By: mk1gti

mk1gti — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:04:08 -0800

rollbiz Cook, mk1gti needs some lightbulbs! (^_^)

By: mk1gti

mk1gti — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:19:53 -0800

'scuse me, *cool*

By: rollbiz

rollbiz — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:18:14 -0800

Then I'm your man! *cough* For lightbulbs. I'm your man for lightbulbs.

By: mk1gti

mk1gti — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:28:25 -0800

boy, sorry to complain but around here today it's just one big imploding sphere of suck . . .

By: mk1gti

mk1gti — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:57:09 -0800

here today meaning the biz, not Me-Fi. Sorry if there might have been any misunderstanding. . .