Comments on: "Don't talk about destroying Israel?" BRILLIANT!

"Don't talk about destroying Israel?" BRILLIANT!

XQUZYPHYR — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:19:42 -0800

Hamas pays consultant for "image makeover." Hamas has paid an image consultant £100,000 to help "project the right image" of the organization. Actual tips the consultant gave Hamas included "talk about Palestinian suffering" and "don't talk about destroying Israel."

By: TedW

TedW — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:25:54 -0800

It would appear that Hamas is paying good money for blindingly obvious advice from consultants just like any other organization. I particularly liked the way the consultant told one leader to cut off his dyed red beard beacuse people laughed at it.

By: Postroad

Postroad — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:30:04 -0800

Here is a free tip from a non-consultant: have Hamas turn in weapons to a central authority; amend their "mandate" to allow maps etc of Israel to really exist. We live now in a world of images, for sure, but blowing up people who are not military is not good for one's image. Hamas is showing political strength mainly because its opposition --Fatah--is so corrupt, inefficient, and helpless. But Israel will not work with Hamas for statehood until terror (yes: terror, not militants) no longer threaten Israel's existence.

By: lobstah

lobstah — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:32:15 -0800

Maybe they can borrow that Burger King guy. Everybody loves him...no?

By: Biblio

Biblio — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:34:29 -0800

Is Karen Hughes involved in this? Maybe they should change their name to Hummus. Everyone loves hummus.

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:37:27 -0800

I would think the Burger King guy combined with a Hamas bomber would look somewhat like the guy from V for Vendetta. On Preview: Postroad, you understand that you ruin a joke by explaining the humor, correct? Did you smile for even, you know, ten seconds? Anything? Please?

By: spock

spock — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:49:09 -0800

Any organization goes through a maturation process in which it inexorably becomes bloated and inefficient. Hiring a consultant is just one step in the process. Soon Hamas will be creating a new committee (or subcommittee) to deal with each new issue. Expect to see a revised Hamas Mission Statement as soon as that committee can agree on the wording.

By: dances_with_sneetches

dances_with_sneetches — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:55:10 -0800

I recommend bikini waxes.

By: beagle

beagle — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:01:13 -0800

Bin Laden's consultant wrote that taped letter the other day.

By: bwerdmuller

bwerdmuller — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:18:03 -0800

Maybe they can borrow that Burger King guy. I'm not sure the Subservient Chicken is our best hope for peace in the middle east?

By: skallas

skallas — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:18:09 -0800

I wonder if this is tied to the spate of articles about how Sharon is this great statesman and peace-lover, thus completely ignoring his militant past. Hamas knows they're losing the PR fight in every way possible (ignorning the validity of their arguments, which of course plays a critical role on one's PR). Or maybe with recent concessions from Israel they see an opportunity to go mainstream, which will involve them radicaly changing their ways which may not be to the liking of the supporters or leaders. Dunno, but it is an interesting turn of events.

By: skallas

skallas — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:22:28 -0800

Also, Hamas is almost neck to neck with Abbas's government in recent polls, so the need to be seen as a legitimate political organization could have led to an image makeover.

By: twistedonion

twistedonion — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:32:59 -0800

We live now in a world of images, for sure, but blowing up people who are not military is not good for one's image. And neither is shooting defenceless kids and erecting great fucking walls. Both sides don't need a PR camapiagn, they need a bit of common sense and humanity knocked into them. And Postroad, statements like the following are so one-sided: But Israel will not work with Hamas for statehood until terror (yes: terror, not militants) no longer threaten Israel's existence. Israel poses a very real threat to the average Palestinians existence, they are currently engaged in state terror (yes: terror, not defence)

By: 517

517 — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:37:23 -0800

"Hamas has an image problem. The Israelis were able to create a very bad image of the Palestinians in general and particularly Muslims and Hamas. My contract is to project the right image," At what point does a group's image reflect the the actual actions of a group? Hamas doesn't have an image problem, their image simply reflects who they are, a group who sends out people to blow themselves up in an effort to kill other people. The most ridiculous part of this is that it will, to some degree, work.

By: jrb223

jrb223 — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:38:22 -0800

NYtimes describing Al Aqsa TV mentioned in this article: Hey Kids, It's Uncle Hazim Time

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:49:15 -0800

I think Hamas would be wise to go with a pink or skin-toned lipstick. It just suits their complexion.

By: ewkpates

ewkpates — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:02:08 -0800

Funniest. Thing. Ever. Did you guys see that article on the Palestinian stand up comics? Democracy: It's all about 1) Money; 2) Image; 3) Not taking authority seriously.

By: funambulist

funambulist — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:05:27 -0800

They should learn from the greats. Rule number one in war PR: always remember to call your victims either "mistakes" or "collateral damage".

By: phirleh

phirleh — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:06:56 -0800

Maybe they can borrow that Burger King guy. Forget the Buger King guy, how about the 6 Flags Dancing Oldguy. Combine that with a Vengaboys song and you've got gold.

By: Postroad

Postroad — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:12:13 -0800

I retreat: Osama is not a terrorist...he is a freedom fighter and a militant

By: PenguinBukkake

PenguinBukkake — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:16:15 -0800

but blowing up people who are not military is not good for one's image. just ask Rummy!

By: bonehead

bonehead — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:16:30 -0800

Hamas needs to take lessons from the IRA, or better, the ANC: armed struggle is counter-productive when trying to do anything beyond resistance. To really affect change and take power, violence has to be renounced. On the flip side, Israel needs to learn from the British experience: sometimes you have to negotiate in good faith with terrorists to stop them being terrorists.

By: twistedonion

twistedonion — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:19:33 -0800

I retreat: Osama is not a terrorist...he is a freedom fighter and a militant Nope, he's a nutbag and a Saudi Millionaire. Where's the connection?

By: funambulist

funambulist — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:20:15 -0800

Well, Postroad, according to Washington, he and his ilk were, a while back, not too long ago, when the Russians were still the bad guys. I know, I know, it's nothing you didn't know before but next time try and keep in mind the origins and usage of that "freedom fighter" moniker...

By: batou_

batou_ — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:20:23 -0800

Isn't this essentially what Arafat and the PLO did? I'm not sure they used an image consultant though. I think they should hire Ted, Carson, Thom, Jai and Kyan to do a complete makeover - queer eye for the jihad guy.

By: twistedonion

twistedonion — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:24:12 -0800

By: HTuttle

HTuttle — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:42:25 -0800

Exactly. A bit of humanity and understanding on both sides please. Eventually you have to actually MAKE A DECISION and get off your PC liberal pot and pick which side works better for you own society's future and back that one.

By: twistedonion

twistedonion — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:52:12 -0800

Eventually you have to actually MAKE A DECISION and get off your PC liberal pot and pick which side works better for you own society's future and back that one. Why the fuck should I pick sides? What happens in Israel has no bearing on my existence in Ireland. If I had got of my 'PC liberal pot' at home I'd either be classified a bigot by one section of my community or a terrorist by the other. Instead of picking sides is it not more reasonable to accept there is no black and white. I like to try and discern the issues on both sides. That way I'm informed and not a mindless tribalistic retard.

By: Relay

Relay — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:01:54 -0800

Man, and I thought I had bitchy clients ... imagine working with THESE guys. "No ... Yeah, but ... I understand Tariq but ... Yes, I agree with you, but that's really going to slip your deadline Tariq. What do you mean we've got to stay on shcedule? With changes like this? I'll do what I can but-HEY! Don't say that about my family!"

By: lackutrol

lackutrol — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:05:33 -0800

Bravo, twistedonion.

By: bonehead

bonehead — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:21:56 -0800

You've missed the point HTuttle: You don't get peace by imposition of force, at least not in the modern world. See: East Timor, Sri Lanka, the Sudan, every single Balkan state (save one). Exceptions include Cambodia and Burma. Israel has been stuck for the past 30 odd years because the PLO had not figured this out. If Hamas can, a hope more than a reality right now, and Israelis can stuff socks in the Zionists' mouths for long enough, a lasting peace may be achievable. The alternatives are continuing violence on both sides, or genocide. Historically those are the options.

By: swerdloff

swerdloff — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:43:43 -0800

I think a big step would be taking the call for the destruction of Israel out of the Charter of Hamas if it hasn't been taken out already. The UN created and recognizes Israel, but did neither for Hamas. "International Law" recognizes Israel, so WTF, Hamas? Take a look at the following pictures. Anyone recognize a Seig Heil style Nazi salute in there? Why would any Jew in their right mind negotiate with a group who adopted that? Or do we think that Hamas doesn't do that intentionally? And the full covering of the face? Obviously it's for the protection of the identities of the members so they're not killed, but look at the pictures - all you see is guns, knives, bombs, a baby wearing a bomb belt, and folks who look like they'd be comfortable at a Klan rally. It's going to take more than a PR campaign.

By: Postroad

Postroad — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:29:06 -0800

Ok...let us try a different approach. The problem is NOT that Israel will or will not negotiate etc but that the ARABS in the entire region do not want Israel there. Now I am referring also to those few states (Jordan and Egypt) that have made a modest treaty with Israel. How to work around this? Have the Arab League recognize Israel's right to exist, loud and clear. And then let them tell Palestinians to negotiate in good faith or they get no help from Arab nations. Tell next Israel that they have been recognized and now must negotiate in good faith too. Will it happen? NO. Why?

By: George_Spiggott

George_Spiggott — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:29:50 -0800

... "don't talk about destroying Israel." I would have lost that bet. I was sure this thread would contain a quote from Fawlty Towers.

By: selfmedicating

selfmedicating — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:17:44 -0800

I am dying, dying to hear Thomas Friedman's take on this.

By: mk1gti

mk1gti — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:02:15 -0800

I guess they could start with a 'rebranding', change HAMAS to 'Happy Funny People With Balloons and incorporate *lots* of pink ! ! !

By: MiltonRandKalman

MiltonRandKalman — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:44:22 -0800

Wonder if Naomi Wolf can lend a hand?

By: Artw

Artw — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:39:05 -0800

Seems pretty sensible: Israels been kicking their ass as far as PR goes for years.

By: sour cream

sour cream — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:57:49 -0800

The Israelis were able to create a very bad image of the Palestinians in general and particularly Muslims and Hamas. No, actually you guys took care of that bad image thing all by yourself with all this blowing pizza parlors and their patrons to pieces shit. I'm personally against killing. But my Hamas friends are all for it, of course. All civilians should not be killed. Only teh jews. Killing Israeli civilians is not accepted by the international community. My Hamas friends are totally OK with it though. They think it is a terrorist act. Guess what, dude, they're right!