Comments on: Racing a clockwork orange

Racing a clockwork orange

bonaldi — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:06:40 -0800

The Subway Challenge! Can one man get off the Glasgow underground at one stop, race the train to the next and get back on the same train? Mebbes aye, mebbes naw. (What? Want more underground? Here are some great photographs from before and after its 1970s restoration)

By: handshake

handshake — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:16:37 -0800

I want to see this video, but all I get is a page full of goballygook when I click on the links.

By: bonaldi

bonaldi — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:18:20 -0800

Hmm, boo. It worked for me at home. try savign to disk, as that has definitely worked on this Mac here.

By: 327.ca

327.ca — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:22:08 -0800

Great photos in the second link. Thanks for this!

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:33:53 -0800

Love the idea, but I can't see the video either. But the photos in the second link are worth the post all by themselves. Now where's sgt serenity? Sarge, ye're missin yersel!

By: lupus_yonderboy

lupus_yonderboy — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:34:42 -0800

You have to "Save Link As..." to get these to work (if you are interested, I'd guess that the MIME-type mapping on their server is broken). Also, for me at least, the mp4 has no sound... but I'm watching the wmv now with great interest...

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:35:07 -0800

Subways stop every 55 seconds? How wasteful!

By: TheophileEscargot

TheophileEscargot — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:36:23 -0800

You need to right-click the "Just Gimme the Video" link and save to disk. If you just click on it, it thinks its a web page and tries to open it in the browser. Superb link though: excellent stunt.

By: riffola

riffola — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:36:54 -0800

I love stuff like this. Reminds me of the Jackie Chan bike race down from a hill in Hong Kong.

By: toftflin

toftflin — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:51:40 -0800

Awesome video and idea. I wish they used a camera on his bike in addition to the one he was wearing since it's pointing down for most of the trip. It makes me wonder if this is possible in any other cities.

By: scruss

scruss — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:55:24 -0800

mr_crash_davis, not wasteful at all. St Enoch used to be a major rail station (I remember the building being a car park, then a derelict lot, then a shopping centre), and Buchanan St is close to another major station (Queen St), so it makes sense.

By: Nugget

Nugget — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:02:54 -0800

Love it! Now the next challenge has to be between Hillhead and Kelvinhall stations, or maybe even Kelvinhall and Partick? Or if that's too energetic then go for the Subcrawl..

By: Mikey-San

Mikey-San — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:08:59 -0800

Here's a better challenge: Can we get Web server admins to learn something about MIME types? Fun video. I wonder if I can do this with the NQRW somehow.

By: knave

knave — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:10:42 -0800

Do not try this in London.

By: atrazine

atrazine — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:13:31 -0800

hmm, I wonder if any London tube stations are spaced closely enough for this? Camden Town & Mornington Crescent? Cheating because there's always a big delay where the train stands still in the tunnel waiting for the tracks to switch. Warren Street & Goodge Street Shepherd's Bush HC & Goldhawk road The lunatic in me is sorely tempted to see if it can be done, any London MeFites have suggestions for appropriate stations?

By: NinjaPirate

NinjaPirate — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:14:58 -0800

Second link = traditional Scottish welcome! I'm glad they modernised the subway to make use of the tremendous popularity of the Umpa Lumpa, too. "Be sure to paint them a ridiculous colour so that the people can use this, along with their diminutive size, to nickname them after a famous banned film by a crazy director" What was the author referring to?

By: bonaldi

bonaldi — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:18:14 -0800

See the title, NinjaPirate: apparently Glasgwegians call the Subway the clockwork orange, although I've only ever heard journalists call it that.

By: Protocols of the Elders of Awesome

Protocols of the Elders of Awesome — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:20:54 -0800

any London MeFites have suggestions for appropriate stations? In my experience, Rotherhithe/Canada Water is the only place on the network where you can see the other station's platform from your platform. I suspect you would die if you attempted to beat the train, though.

By: booksandlibretti

booksandlibretti — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:27:48 -0800

I wonder if I can do this with the NQRW somehow. I'd try between 8th and Union Square. With a bike, it just might be barely possible.

By: IshmaelGraves

IshmaelGraves — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:41:47 -0800

NinjaPirate: A Clockwork Orange was "banned" (although not really) in the UK. Perhaps that's the reference? The single interior shot in the second link is really amazing — wood and leather in a subway car!

By: tommyc

tommyc — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:10:31 -0800

Running like a madman in and out London Underground stations might not be the best idea in the present climate. Wonderful photos!

By: dame

dame — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:15:42 -0800

Subways stop every 55 seconds? How wasteful! Just in case you weren't joking, a lot of trains here in New York stop every minute or so. The trains are reasonably fast and most stops are meaningful for someone. Besides, public transport works when stops are close: if you have to walk too far after you get off, it is less useful. That said, I think if I were try this in here, I might go for the Union Square to Third Avenue L or the (totally inane) 18th Street to 14th Street 1. In Brooklyn you could cheat and do the Graham to Grand L stops, since the train stops for a second every time. They close my train every damn weekend and they can't even fix that bit of track?! Harumph, damn MTA.

By: Mijo Bijo

Mijo Bijo — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:16:56 -0800

Great video. I found it amusing that he took the time to pay at the gate. It was the reason why the first attempt failed.

By: fire&wings

fire&wings — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:17:18 -0800

Those photos and more all appear in an excellent book about the history of the Glasgow Underground which I can't remember the name of (not the one mentioned there.) The most interesting one I remember was the old entrance to the Kelvinbridge station, which was an anonymous doorway to the right of the stairs down from Great Western Road (think it's now a t-shirt printing shop or something.) Makes you wonder if there is still access somewhere in that building to the underground.

By: dame

dame — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:18:29 -0800

Oooh, I just realized what I'd like to see: someone racing the J or M over the Williamsburg bridge. I'd think the speeds you could garner coming down the span would really help. You might beat the train even.

By: adrianhon

adrianhon — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:20:26 -0800

It's definitely an interesting thought as to whether you could do this on the London Underground, but I suspect it would take too long to get from the station entrance down to the actual platform. Glasgow is fine (along with many North American systems) because you only have about one escalator or flight or stairs to go down to get to platform - not so with most lines on the London Underground. Of course, if we're talking about delays well... I suppose another interesting possibility is some kind of race from one side of London to the other, using various forms of public transport or restrictions (e.g. how fast can you carry a person across London)?

By: adrianhon

adrianhon — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:22:04 -0800

Mijo: Yeah, when I read that disclaimer saying that it wasn't necessarily legal, I thought he was just going to vault over the ticket barrier - it would've saved him two or three seconds, at least. He could've even had a friend stand by the barrier to pay for him afterwards, if he was really worried about legality.

By: dame

dame — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:24:26 -0800

They do that in New York, adrianhon. Car v. subway v. bike. (Here's the 2003 press release, though I think they do it every year.

By: Mayor Curley

Mayor Curley — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:42:46 -0800

I'm pretty sure that this could be done in Boston between Copley and Arlington on the Green Line. As well as State and Downtown Crossing on the Orange.

By: yoz

yoz — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:42:59 -0800

Re: London Underground - you could probably beat the train from Finchley Central to Mill Hill East (which is a 3-minute train journey, and the bike would be going mostly downhill) but that's not quite as interesting since (a) the main reason for beating the train would be the continual stop-starts en route and (b) Mill Hill is the end of the line.

By: adrianhon

adrianhon — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:51:56 -0800

dame: Ah, no surprises there then - sounds like fun! And your link reminded me of what unconsciously prompted my comment - the man vs. horse marathon in Wales. I wonder if you could beat Covent Garden to Leicester Square on the Piccadilly Line - it's only 250m, you could sprint that pretty quickly. Again though, really depends on getting to the platform.

By: nicwolff

nicwolff — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:58 -0800

I think Union Square station might be too big to get into that fast. I could see trying to beat the 1/9 from 23rd to 18th, both very small simple stations.

By: riffola

riffola — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:02:10 -0800

In NYC, the best bet would be 34th St. & 28th St. on the N or the 6.

By: riffola

riffola — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:03:24 -0800

The R in fact would work the best, because run out from the 32nd St. entrance, and bolt down Broadway to the 28th St. entrance, it's not too hard.

By: ubersturm

ubersturm — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:13:10 -0800

I was thinking Park St. to Boylston, Mayor Curley. You could probably manage it on some of the aboveground Green Line stops too, but that'd be cheating, I think, since the Green Line cars can get held up by traffic. I can't really think of any suitable Red Line or Blue Line stations.

By: tapeguy

tapeguy — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:21:06 -0800

RE: Covent Garden to Leicester Square on the Piccadilly Line, it only takes the train ~16 seconds, plus you'd have the stupid lift system at Covent Garden to contend with.

By: booksandlibretti

booksandlibretti — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:22:19 -0800

I think Union Square station might be too big to get into that fast. I think if you try to cross to the north side of 14th, you'll be sorry. But if you duck down one of the little entrances on the south side of 14th, you might have a shot, assuming you already know where the NQRW entrance is. Probably the best bet in New York is the 32nd to 28th (or vice-versa) mentioned above, though.

By: adrianhon

adrianhon — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:27:14 -0800

tapeguy: In that case, it probably wouldn't work then :) Unsurprisingly I have never taken the tube that way.

By: mullacc

mullacc — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:42:25 -0800

I'm thinking the 1 from Canal to Franklin.

By: armoured-ant

armoured-ant — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:47:48 -0800

If you got off the District Line at Turnham Green as the doors opened, you could probably be halfway to Stamford Brook by the time the train started pulling away. It's 420m, and you'd have to run along the tracks (dodging speeding Picadilly Line trains racing past) but I reckon it's doable. Anyone?

By: n9

n9 — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:49:47 -0800

I was dissapointed that he rode a bike. I can think of any number of stations that I could beat if someone was waiting with my trustie track bike in hand. Hell, I ride home every day in 35 minutes and it takes 50 minutes to do the same route by subway. I'm thinking that I could do this from Canal to Dekalb on the Q, going over the Manhattan Bridge. That would make a good film.

By: adrianhon

adrianhon — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:53:01 -0800

Run along the tracks? I don't like the sound of that. There must be some other, safer way of doing this in London! I know that there are some stations which are easier to get in and out of (e.g. Clapham North/Common/South)...

By: Balisong

Balisong — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:12:40 -0800

Jared Wins!

By: brautigan

brautigan — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:01:48 -0800

Apart from the end credits that was class. And buy a Discovery ticket and vault the barrier next time pal.

By: 3.2.3

3.2.3 — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:51:56 -0800

i love the clockwork orange. this made my day.

By: jack_mo

jack_mo — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:13:14 -0800

Fun video. fire&wings: "The most interesting one I remember was the old entrance to the Kelvinbridge station, which was an anonymous doorway to the right of the stairs down from Great Western Road (think it's now a t-shirt printing shop or something.) Makes you wonder if there is still access somewhere in that building to the underground." I pass that shop every day - I'll have to nip in and ask. The bloke who runs it is a bit bonkers, and the shop is always shut, so it seems reasonable to suppose he spends his days roaming abandoned tunnels...

By: jack_mo

jack_mo — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:29:57 -0800

And those photos remind me of the (completely wiggy) film Death Watch, which used 1970s Glasgow as a location to suggest a dystopian futurescape. (More on the film, courtesy of MeFi user Len.)

By: gene_machine

gene_machine — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:16:39 -0800

I don't recommend that anyone try this on the London Underground, especially not if you look "a bit foreign". Chances are, you'll get shot...

By: gene_machine

gene_machine — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:17:50 -0800

Gah, knave, tommyc and everyone else. Must read more closely next time...

By: adrianhon

adrianhon — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:07:13 -0800

Seriously, I don't think you'd get shot if you tried this in London. I've seen people madly dashing for trains recently - because they were late.

By: adrianhon

adrianhon — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:10:59 -0800

Having said that... don't do anything too stupid (like running away from police).

By: bonaldi

bonaldi — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:01:47 -0800

The first link, btw, came from jack_mo's blog, but I didn't credit him because I'm a fud and keep all my feeds in the one NetNewsWire folder, so didn't realise. Sorry Jack!

By: OmieWise

OmieWise — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:46:24 -0800

Running like a madman in and out London Underground stations might not be the best idea in the present climate. Yeah, I wouldn't try this right now.

By: SisterHavana

SisterHavana — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:49:51 -0800

I bet you could do this on the State Street Subway (Red Line) stations in Chicago.

By: sgt.serenity

sgt.serenity — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:30:22 -0800

In Edinburgh I once stepped out of my Silver Ghost and had Hamish , the faithful borders butler carry me from one end of Morningside road to the other in a Sedan Chair ere My Chaffeur reached the door of the Canny Mans.

By: purple_frogs

purple_frogs — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:51:32 -0800

From the pictures, it looks like the Glasgow trains are so small that the people standing next to them have their heads over the level of the train's side walls -- thus the need to have the train doors include part of the sloped ceiling. It looks like a tall person could stand in the train such that the closing door would knock him in the head, or someone getting on the train at the last minute could get a nasty bump. Isn't this dangerous? Or have Glaswegians developed ways to adapt? You'd think this would be one of the first things they'd try to fix as they renovated the line.

By: bonaldi

bonaldi — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:57:31 -0800

They are that small. And you can clout yr head off the roof. I often do. But the trains almost fill the tunnels, and can't get much larger. It's cute. Compact. think Subway nano.

By: purple_frogs

purple_frogs — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:02:55 -0800

I was thinking Park St. to Boylston, Mayor Curley. You could probably manage it on some of the aboveground Green Line stops too, but that'd be cheating, I think, since the Green Line cars can get held up by traffic. I can't really think of any suitable Red Line or Blue Line stations. How about running the underground passage from Downtown Crossing to Park Street on the Red line? The passage is pretty much right next to the tracks, and you wouldn't have to go through fare control again. There is no motion on earth slower than the B branch of the Green Line above ground. I used to beat 2 or 3 of these trains every day, sometimes without even breaking into a run.

By: Spatch

Spatch — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:44:15 -0800

How about running the underground passage from Downtown Crossing to Park Street on the Red line? The passage is pretty much right next to the tracks, and you wouldn't have to go through fare control again. The inbound Red Line train (Park Street to Downtown Crossing) also has a tendency to sit for a few extra seconds, giving you precious travel time. And that's not even counting the fact that they take extra time to manually open and close the doors on both sides. Assuming nobody will try to report you for your madcap dash ("If You See Something, Say Something") you may be able to pull it off. Then again, the way the Red Line is running, you might be able to beat the train from Harvard Square to Central on a typical morning...

By: Len

Len — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:54:19 -0800

They are that small. And you can clout yr head off the roof. I often do. Bonaldi neglects to mention that he is actually 8' 3". Seriously, though, yes, they're tiny, and anyone visiting Glasgow from a city with a real subway will honk like a bemused goose when confronted with our funny little trains. I like them, though I've more than once had a dunt on the head from the closing doors, particularly when the train's crowded ...

By: scruss

scruss — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:51:45 -0800

and Len, you forgot the best part ... the smell! I guess you could do St Andrew to King on the Toronto subway, though that's missing out one station. I miss the days of the Milk Crate Gang ...

By: jack_mo

jack_mo — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:59:06 -0800

scruss said 'and Len, you forgot the best part ... the smell!' I'm a connoisseur of the Subway odour - it varies considerably according to the time of day, and day of the week. First thing Sunday morning is especially pungent, with the usual admixture of wet tramp's crotch and congealed kebab heightened by topnotes of alcopop-sick and spilled meat pie. (The true Subway smell afficionado will, of course, aim to step on immediately after the last fan en route to an Old Firm game has stepped off - the sweet musk of sectarian hatred gives the air inside a carriage a uniquely full-bodied, almost visceral character.) bonaldi said 'Sorry Jack!' No probs!