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	<title>Comments on: Beautiful not least because Mimi and Bob found art and design, found humanity and dignity, in a gritty and ignored urban artifact.</title>
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	<description>Comments on MetaFilter post Beautiful not least because Mimi and Bob found art and design, found humanity and dignity, in a gritty and ignored urban artifact.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:12:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Beautiful not least because Mimi and Bob found art and design, found humanity and dignity, in a gritty and ignored urban artifact.</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.frangipani.info/gallery/manholes_of_japan?page=1"&gt;The Japanese make beautiful manholes.&lt;/a&gt; Original idea by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0262133024/&quot;&gt;Mimi and Robert Melnick &lt;/a&gt;who started this obsession back in 1974. 
Also some early &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sewerhistory.org/chronos/convey.htm&quot;&gt;Sewer Designs&lt;/a&gt; &amp;amp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/42004&quot;&gt;previous manhole thread.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:08:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: selfnoise</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198320</link>	
		<description>Wow, those are beautiful.  Thanks!  It&apos;s really need to see pride of craftsmanship in something like that.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:12:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tullius</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198321</link>	
		<description>This is cool. Thanks alot, Lanark.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:13:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: elpapacito</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198325</link>	
		<description>Very nice, certainly adding to urban decoration. I wonder how long till advertisers get the clue and ruin it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:16:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jenii</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198356</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve always liked our local manhole covers. They&apos;re pretty, in a utilitarian sort of way. They&apos;re made in Michigan, just southwest (?) of Charlevoix, in a little ironworks in a town called East Jordan.

I don&apos;t know what I&apos;d do with it but I&apos;ve always wanted to steal one.

Now I&apos;m curious -- do any of you remember seeing East Jordan Iron Works manhole covers where you live? I&apos;m not sure if they supply them to the whole country or just Michigan or the Midwest or what.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:51:21 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jenii</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: stackmonster</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198358</link>	
		<description>wow. thats just beautiful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:52:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jenii</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198359</link>	
		<description>(If I knew where the UBC cable for my camera is, I&apos;d run outside and take a picture of one and post it here. But I don&apos;t.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:52:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Protocols of the Elders of Awesome</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198371</link>	
		<description>Fantastic. I&apos;m now ashamed of my nation&apos;s manholes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:15:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amro</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198407</link>	
		<description>Pretty!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:51:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cenoxo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198422</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/commsvcs/oca/PublicArt/artunderfoot/index.htm&quot;&gt;Pretty&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mayang.com/textures/perl/preview.pl?category=Architectural/Grilles%20and%20Gratings&amp;image=manhole_cover_131458.JPG&quot;&gt;plain&lt;/a&gt;, manhole covers have a bad habit of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/sns-ap-manhole-cover-thefts,1,1113501.story?coll=la-util-nationworld-nation&quot;&gt;disappearing&lt;/a&gt;, with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/world/latinamerica/articles/2006/01/01/death_prompts_manhole_cover_theft_outcry?mode=PF&quot;&gt;nasty&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635177161,00.html&quot;&gt;consequences&lt;/a&gt;. Are your city sewers &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stabiloc.com/muncipalities.htm&quot;&gt;secure&lt;/a&gt;?

Lanark, thanks for the link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sewerhistory.org/&quot;&gt;The History of Sanitary Sewers&lt;/a&gt;. It&apos;s an excellent site about an engineering marvel that we take far too much for granted:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;small&gt;Cesspools for human wastes were frequently placed under the floors (often made of wood) of castles. In 1183, when the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire held a Diet in the Palace of Efurt, the floor of the main hall broke; many of the dinner guests fell into the cesspool and drowned; luckily, the Emperor survived. A similar event occurred in England in 1326: Richard the Raker had just been seated for a meal when the wood floor gave way -- drowning him.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;More about Medieval sewerage &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sewerhistory.org/chronos/middle_ages.htm&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:13:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lanark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198453</link>	
		<description>Wow I had no idea such &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3440451.stm&quot;&gt;thefts&lt;/a&gt; are so &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/21/content_505203.htm&quot;&gt;common&lt;/a&gt; - thats even worse than all the bronze &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/arttheft/story/0,,1693916,00.html&quot;&gt;public artworks being stolen for scrap&lt;/a&gt; in the UK</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:51:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: -harlequin-</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198489</link>	
		<description>Seattle manholes are like this, with the design a streetmap of the city, very nice.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:17:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stilgar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198509</link>	
		<description>east jordan man holes are all over, my last name is jordan so i always look for them wherever i go, i have fond them all over the country and even in canada...if anyone wanted to know.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:38:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: c</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198570</link>	
		<description>those would make nice &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2004/08/16/tattoo_by_manhole.php&quot;&gt;manhole burn tattoos&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:55:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: craven_morhead</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198804</link>	
		<description>this is the sort of thing i love metafilter for.

thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:35:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hades</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1198974</link>	
		<description>At &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drainspotting.org&quot;&gt;Drainspotting&lt;/a&gt; (which I really need to overhaul one of these days) you can find &lt;a href=&quot;http://drainspotting.com/search.php?search=jordan&quot;&gt;East Jordan Ironworks&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://drainspotting.com/search.php?search=japan&quot;&gt;Japanese covers&lt;/a&gt;, some of &lt;a href=&quot;http://drainspotting.com/featured.php&quot;&gt;my favorites&lt;/a&gt;, and more &lt;a href=&quot;http://drainspotting.com/links.php&quot;&gt;disorganized manhole links&lt;/a&gt; than you can shake a stick at.

Also, there are some flickr groups (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/groups/manhole/&quot;&gt;manhole&lt;/a&gt;,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/groups/86393140@N00/&quot;&gt;gullydeckel&lt;/a&gt;) and tags (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/manholecover/&quot;&gt;manholecover&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/manhole/&quot;&gt;manhole&lt;/a&gt;).</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:21:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lanark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1199193</link>	
		<description>It seems the world market for steel/iron peaked in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meps.co.uk/allproducts%20steel%20price.htm&quot;&gt;late 2004&lt;/a&gt;/&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/en/beijing/cib/2005_06/S1117796820&quot;&gt;early 2005&lt;/a&gt; and is now dropping back to normality - so hopefully the streets wont all turn into &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-20318,00.html&quot;&gt;&quot;Blackburn Lancashire&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:49:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Who_Am_I</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1199276</link>	
		<description>Very nice. I always thought that manhole covers were round so that they couldn&apos;t fall into the holes, though, so it&apos;s odd that some of these are rectangular. Do they have some other mechanism to prevent that happening?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:44:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jenii</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/48878/Beautiful-not-least-because-Mimi-and-Bob-found-art-and-design-found-humanity-and-dignity-in-a-gritty-and-ignored-urban-artifact#1199782</link>	
		<description>If you follow the links above (not sure which one, sorry; I think it was in the previous manhole cover thread, though) you&apos;ll find that there are also &lt;b&gt;triangular&lt;/b&gt; manhole covers. Those can fall on your head, too. (Maybe if you&apos;re a sewer worker and your manhole covers aren&apos;t circular, you wear a better hardhat.)

Also, hades, thanks for the links. And I wanted to know, so thanks, stilgar.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:27:03 -0800</pubDate>
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