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	<title>Comments on: Kinda like blogs!</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:59:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Kinda like blogs!</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs</link>	
		<description>We&apos;ve heard of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_music&quot;&gt;outsider music&lt;/a&gt;, but along with this is the strange world of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_poem&quot;&gt;song-poems&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;em&gt;...ordinary people&quot; respond to come-on ads on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.songpoemmusic.com/pop_mech.htm&quot;&gt;back pages&lt;/a&gt; of magazines, mailing in their heartfelt but often bizarre poems to &quot;music industry&quot; companies that, for a fee, turn those poems into real recordings.&lt;/em&gt; 

More inside...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:59:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ashbury</dc:creator>		<category>songpoems</category>		<category>outsidermusic</category>		<category>music</category>
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		<title>By: ashbury</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209200</link>	
		<description>As documented in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/offthecharts/film.html&quot;&gt;Off The Charts&lt;/a&gt;, a movie about the business.  The most famous of this type of song is by John Trubee, called Peace &amp;amp; Love (Blind Man&apos;s Penis).  Trubee tells the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.songpoemmusic.com/trubee.htm&quot;&gt;story&lt;/a&gt; as to how it got made.  NPR did a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1311999&quot;&gt;show&lt;/a&gt; about the phenomenon.

How about some download goodness?  &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2005/07/american_song_p.html&quot;&gt;WFMU&lt;/a&gt; offers a few compilations.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.songpoemmusic.com/mp3.htm&quot;&gt;songpoemmusic.com&lt;/a&gt;, the end-all and be-all site of song poem, has some.  Curious about Blind Man&apos;s Penis?  It&apos;s here, in flash and &lt;a href=&quot;http://users3.ev1.net/~rootstudio/flash/blindman.htm&quot;&gt;NSFW&lt;/a&gt;.  Your eyes might never forgive you.  If you have an original 45 of this song, it&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frogpeak.org/fpartists/fptrubee.html&quot;&gt;worth&lt;/a&gt; $250. Amazon &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000087DRX/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;reviews&lt;/a&gt;. Need more info?  The Shadowy World of Song Poem Music &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.songpoemmusic.com/shadow.htm&quot;&gt;link factory&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:59:31 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ashbury</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: stavrosthewonderchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209205</link>	
		<description>I listened to a piece about these on (I think it was) This American Life a while back. Very cool. Thanks, ashbury!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:02:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PeterMcDermott</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209258</link>	
		<description>So it&apos;s like, vanity publishing for wannabee musicians? Interesting post, thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:11:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: teletype1</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209298</link>	
		<description>i like this stuff a lot... but i would disagree with the wikipedia author that Harry Partch is part of this group...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:54:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jonmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209305</link>	
		<description>&apos;I Like Yellow Things,&apos; is an absolute charmer of a song.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:04:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mediareport</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209318</link>	
		<description>Cool stuff and lots of great info, but is it just me, or are all the songpoemmusic.com &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.songpoemmusic.com/mp3.htm&quot;&gt;mp3s&lt;/a&gt; unavailable? I keep getting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.songpoemmusic.com/mp3/00120__AnOldMansLife.mp3&quot;&gt;Bingo&lt;/a&gt; telling me I have the wrong address.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:29:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Astro Zombie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209342</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://users3.ev1.net/~rootstudio/flash/blindman.htm&quot;&gt;A blind man&apos;s penis is erect because he&apos;s blind.&lt;/a&gt;

A song-poem classic.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:17:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Astro Zombie</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: quonsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209435</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The practice played off the intense desire of unsophisticated people, who often lived in remote areas, to realize their ambitions of making money from writing popular songs.&lt;/i&gt;

the practice played off the intense desire of unsophisticated people, who often lived in remote areas, to realize their ambitions of porking beautiful women in cool cars.

the practice played off the intense desire of unsophisticated people, who often lived in remote areas, to realize their ambitions of feeling like george jetson.

the practice played off the intense desire of unsophisticated people, who often lived in remote areas, to realize their ambitions of making money in the &apos;web 2.0&apos; boom.

the practice played off the intense desire of sophisticated people, who often live in urban areas, to realize their ambitions of feeling superior to unsophisticated people who often live in remote areas.

in other words, the practice differed little from consumer marketing  enterprise in its historical entirety.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:33:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mr.curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209538</link>	
		<description>GREAT FPP!

I love outsider music, but had never heard of song-poems before. Now I&apos;ve got a new obsession. Thanks!

Oddly, I seem to be running into a lot of songs about Richard Nixon. Weird.

Were there a disproportionate amount of crazy songwriters that loved Nixon? It&apos;s like I could put together an entire album seemingly written and performed by John Ashcroft. Awesome!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:39:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dr-Baa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209544</link>	
		<description>Thanks, ashbury, for the link on &quot;Blind Man&apos;s Penis.&quot; I&apos;ve often wondered for some time WTF the writer was thinking when writing that.  A while ago I made a &lt;a href=&quot;http://microdots.ytmnd.com/&quot;&gt;YTMND about the track&lt;/a&gt; (please forgive the self-link).</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:43:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Faze</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209551</link>	
		<description>I was fortunate, or unfortunate enough to have first hand experience with one of the song-poem majors, in Boston, in the 1970s -- watching the recording sessions in their studios, and reading the boxes and boxes of submissions carefully written in the submitters&apos; sad hands.

There was a male singer and a female singer.  I only really saw the male do his stuff.  He sounded like Anthony Newley without the range or emotion.  The melodies were essentially improvised in one take.  The singer and engineer sometimes made weary jokes about the lyrics.  But mainly, they tried to keep up the assembly-line pace, turning out as many songs as they could in an afternoon or evening.

Interestingly, it was not a seedy place, but a modern, one-story office structure in a suburban industrial park.  It was clean, and employed about eight nice ladies to do the paper work. The guy who ran the business (and his seedy son) were semi-conscious of the absurdity and sadness of what they did.  He was a great bullshitter, and was an expert at sweet-talking dissatisfied customers.  (How different, I wonder, was what he did from what Sam Phillips did at Sun Records?  Vanity records for poor negroes and white trash like young Elvis?)

I can still remember the owner sitting at his desk with a pile of envelopes, opening them one after another, taking the money out of the ones that had money, and tossing the ones that only contained lyrics and inquiries to one side.

Being there late at night, reading one after another of these pathetic lyrics, still redolent of the mobile home or apartment where they were carefully set down, you knew you had been given some privileged peek into the American soul.  At first it was exhilerating.  There was an almost prurient thrill to have this kind of access to the intimate dreams of the common man.  Then it started to sicken you.  Finally, you fled the place, in horror and despair, feeling tawdry and diminished, as you realized that your own hopes and dreams were no larger, or realizable, than those of these poor fools.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:49:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mr.curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209567</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Finally, you fled the place, in horror and despair, feeling tawdry and diminished, as you realized that your own hopes and dreams were no larger, or realizable, than those of these poor fools.&lt;/i&gt;

Which is exactly why I love this kind of thing, the odd sense of admiration for the people who actually produced something, wherein millions of others have not.

No matter how awful, no matter how insignificant...they remind you that it can be done, even if it should not have been.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:07:57 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mr.curmudgeon</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: coach_mcguirk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209652</link>	
		<description>Jimmy Carter Says &lt;strong&gt;Yes&lt;/strong&gt;!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:23:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quonsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209653</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Finally, you fled the place, in horror and despair, feeling tawdry and diminished, as you realized that your own hopes and dreams were no larger, or realizable, than those of these poor fools.&lt;/i&gt;

Dear Mr. Faze,

In the opinion of our professional song poem consultants, your submission has great potential...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:23:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mr.curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1209667</link>	
		<description>Quonsar,

Brilliant!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:31:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: interrobang</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/49163/Kinda-like-blogs#1211557</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve always wanted to hear the Trubee song, ever since I read about it in RE:Search Pranks!

Thank you, ashbury.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:39:24 -0800</pubDate>
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