Supplemental catfight

February 16, 2006 1:54 PM

"Thank you for the refresher course on contracts. This is not a bar exam question."
'bla bla bla."
posted by orthogonality (85 comments total)

As much as I hate to admit it, I think Cheney had the right idea—shoot all the lawyers.
posted by keswick at 1:59 PM on February 16, 2006

Made me think of this.
posted by Gator at 2:02 PM on February 16, 2006

What a bitch.
posted by Dreamghost at 2:03 PM on February 16, 2006

FUCK you ! Yeah fuck you too ! Fuck fuck fuck you ! Yeah ! No you fuck before I fuck ! NO NO NO !
posted by elpapacito at 2:03 PM on February 16, 2006

'I wanted to establish somewhat of a career for myself," she said. 'No one wants to be living off daddy."
Say what you will, the girl's got spunk!
posted by Floydd at 2:05 PM on February 16, 2006

A lawyer friend emailed me the original yesterday, along with a chain of about 50 incredulous recipients. I promptly forwarded it to several friend.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 2:05 PM on February 16, 2006

I wonder why these people are so grouchy....
posted by Afroblanco at 2:06 PM on February 16, 2006

Metafilter: bla bla bla
posted by billysumday at 2:06 PM on February 16, 2006

Lawyers have finally discovered email? Welcome to the 20th century, guys.
posted by psmealey at 2:07 PM on February 16, 2006

And to think that Chertoff and Rumsfeld don't use e-mail:

"The House committee established to investigate Katrina was 'informed that neither Secretary Chertoff nor Secretary Rumsfeld use e-mail,' reported Reps. Charlie Melancon and William Jefferson."

posted by ericb at 2:08 PM on February 16, 2006

I find the whole exchange. The woman described herself as a trust fund baby. She is the Paris Hilton of new lawyers.
posted by bove at 2:08 PM on February 16, 2006

I meant to say I find the whole exchange hilarious. I guess it should be equally true to never post something on the web that you wouldn't want someone to read in the future.
posted by bove at 2:09 PM on February 16, 2006

Ha! I'm a lawyer, and this was forwarded to me yesterday... Quite entertaining that in less than two weeks this email has gotten so far around the net, and likely drastically reduced the person in question's future employment prospects.
posted by Gaz Errant at 2:10 PM on February 16, 2006

Are the copies of the originals there, or am I just missing them?
posted by R. Mutt at 2:13 PM on February 16, 2006

You gonna bark all day little doggie? Or are you gonna bite?

heh heh.
posted by Smedleyman at 2:13 PM on February 16, 2006

I got that chain e-mail yesterday too. Seemed rather benign to me. Spoiled brat being rude. Not really something I would expect to see in the Boston Globe. Did they make a news story about the kid asking his mom for milk?
posted by dios at 2:13 PM on February 16, 2006

Turns out that 12 is too old to breastfeed.
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:14 PM on February 16, 2006

Massachusetts Lawyer Weekly: The email that roared.
posted by ericb at 2:14 PM on February 16, 2006

Abdala said she has no regrets about the e-mail exchange. She said she has reported Korman to the Board of Bar Overseers for 'unprofessional and unethical" conduct for forwarding her e-mail to an outside party.

Oh, that's adorable.
posted by Spatch at 2:14 PM on February 16, 2006

Supplemental catfight

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posted by dios at 2:14 PM on February 16, 2006

she is now working for herself by renting space from a lawyer on Franklin Street in Boston, where she will take court-appointed cases and do private criminal defense work.

If she pisses of judges and juries as well as she pisses off people who offer her jobs, I wouldn't want her representing me.
posted by spock at 2:15 PM on February 16, 2006

^off
Why do I always see the typo just after I click Submit?
posted by spock at 2:15 PM on February 16, 2006

Boston Herald: Law 101: Put it in writing? E-mail war heats up Internet.
posted by ericb at 2:15 PM on February 16, 2006

For those that are interested. The e-mail looked like a typical forward, but says to make sure you read from the bottom:

>-----Original Message-----
>From: William A. Korman [ [e-mail] ]
>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:59 AM
>To: 'David Breen'
>Subject: FW: Thank you
>
>Did I already forward this to you?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dianna Abdala [ [e-mail]]
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:29 PM
>To: William A. Korman
>Subject: Re: Thank you
>
>bla bla bla
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: William A. Korman
>To: 'Dianna Abdala'
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:18 PM
>Subject: RE: Thank you
>
>Thank you for the refresher course on contracts. This is not a bar exam
>question. You need to realize that this is a very small legal community,
>especially the criminal defense bar. Do you really want to start
>pissing off more experienced lawyers at this early stage of your career?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dianna Abdala [ [e-mail]]
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:01 PM
>To: William A. Korman
>Subject: Re: Thank you
>
>A real lawyer would have put the contract into writing and not exercised
>any such reliance until he did so.
>
>Again, thank you.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: William A. Korman
>To: 'Dianna Abdala'
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 12:15 PM
>Subject: RE: Thank you
>
>Dianna -
>
>Given that you had two interviews, were offered and accepted the job
>(indeed, you had a definite start date), I am surprised that you chose
>an e-mail and a 9:30 PM voicemail message to convey this information to
>me. It smacks of immaturity and is quite unprofessional. Indeed, I did
>rely upon your acceptance by ordering stationery and business cards with
>your name, reformatting a computer and setting up both internal and
>external e-mails for you here at the office. While I do not quarrel
>with your reasoning, I am extremely disappointed in the way this played
>out. I sincerely wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
>
> - Will Korman
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dianna Abdala [ [e-mail] ]
>Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:23 PM
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Thank you
>
>Dear Attorney Korman,
>
>At this time, I am writing to inform you that I will not be accepting
>your offer.
>
>After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that the pay
>you are offering would neither fulfill me nor support the lifestyle I am
>living in light of the work I would be doing for you. I have decided
>instead to work for myself, and reap 100% of the benefits that I sew.
>
>Thank you for the interviews.
>
>Dianna L. Abdala, Esq.
>---------------------------------------------------------------
posted by dios at 2:16 PM on February 16, 2006

I would not want a "Trust fund baby" with a casual attitude toward her work defending me in a criminal case, even if she was wearing expensive perfume and designer she-lawyer suits. But that's just me.
posted by longsleeves at 2:17 PM on February 16, 2006

the benefits that I sew.
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:18 PM on February 16, 2006

Does anyone else think that the older lawyer acted immaturely too? I mean, she shouldn't have written what she did, but passing it on to besmirch her reputation seems pretty immature too...
posted by elquien at 2:18 PM on February 16, 2006

Thanks Dios
posted by R. Mutt at 2:19 PM on February 16, 2006

posted by ericb at 2:21 PM on February 16, 2006

If she was wearing expensive perfume and designer she-lawyer suits I'd look deep into her eyes and huskily whisper: "An interlocutory appeal can include nonappealable pendent issues, baby"
posted by Floydd at 2:22 PM on February 16, 2006

Having worked for (and started a few) small companies over the past few years, this sort of thing is quite common. Normally, you just instruct your recruiter or hr person to be professional and cool, even in the face of the sometimes personal attacks that you might receive (it happens) from a disgruntled or disappointed candidate.

What I find more amazing about this is the navel-gazing that goes on in the legal community such that literally thousands of lawyers received, read and forwarded this on over the past two days. This is hardly a very interesting example of this kind of thing, but I guess it's worthwhile for them to forward (while billing out at $350/hour) as a matter of interest to all their friends and colleages.

I wonder when they get that warning letter about business travels having their kidneys stolen, do they forward those on as well?
posted by psmealey at 2:24 PM on February 16, 2006

Floydd - I thought you were goin' use that line with that cute little red-headed lawyer you're seeing tonight. Such a smooth talker, you'se is.
posted by ericb at 2:27 PM on February 16, 2006

Even if she really has to learn how to suck dick and kiss ass , she has a valid point : why commit resources without a contract if you are going to later complain about misallocation of oh-so-prrrrecious resources ?

Maybe that's "mature" sounding , but it also sounds like a poorly risk management choice.
posted by elpapacito at 2:28 PM on February 16, 2006

What a whiney little bitch she comes across as in the Globe article... she describes herself as a "trust fund baby?" Jesus.
posted by killdevil at 2:28 PM on February 16, 2006

If Beverly Hills trust fund babies can make it, so can she!
posted by ericb at 2:30 PM on February 16, 2006

I must admit: I was feeling just a little bit sorry for her, until this: ...the benefits that I sew.
posted by Uncle Glendinning at 2:31 PM on February 16, 2006

whiny little bitches are the future.
posted by elwoodwiles at 2:34 PM on February 16, 2006

The correct spelling of "bla" is "blah."
posted by scratch at 2:34 PM on February 16, 2006

She seems totally despicable...
posted by lupus_yonderboy at 2:35 PM on February 16, 2006

That's the whole exchange? What dios quoted? I guess Metatalk has me spoiled for that sort of thing.
posted by furiousthought at 2:38 PM on February 16, 2006

Does anyone else think that the older lawyer acted immaturely too? I mean, she shouldn't have written what she did, but passing it on to besmirch her reputation seems pretty immature too...

Yup. This is not just a "she's a bitch" story. The guy is a dip-shit, too (especially for forwarding it on with her full name -- very unethical).

I don't want either of these goons practicing law near me.
posted by teece at 2:41 PM on February 16, 2006

Does anyone else think that the older lawyer acted immaturely too? I mean, she shouldn't have written what she did, but passing it on to besmirch her reputation seems pretty immature too...

Yes. I thought so, plus offering her $X and then telling her later you can only pay $Y where $X > $Y is bound to piss some people off. She had every right to be a little pissed.

I think it's also interesting that she's taking state appointed cases right now, how does that work in Mass? Do regular defense lawyers have to take court appointed cases there, rather then a dedicated PD office?
posted by delmoi at 2:45 PM on February 16, 2006

I received this the other day -- and promptly forwarded it all about town.

For you non-attorneys, this seems to happen somewhat regularly in the legal community. I would bet that a good number of practicing attorneys have emails like this (and the 2000 Fenwick & West Charity Auction, the 2001 Cadwalder Summer Associate, the "burning bridges" departure email, ad infinitum) stored somewhere in their computers. I think it's a way of documenting our urban legends.

As an aside, does anyone remember the dude who sent a faux pleading to law firms as a form of job application? That's my all-time favorite.
posted by subgenius at 2:47 PM on February 16, 2006

Normally, you just instruct your recruiter or hr person to be professional and cool, even in the face of the sometimes personal attacks that you might receive (it happens) from a disgruntled or disappointed candidate.

I had a situation once, where I was set up for multiple interviews with a small company, but each time when I called to confirm before showing up, they said "oh, such-and-such is in the bahamas" or "oh, he's not here now", and could I reschedule. That should have been a red flag, nevertheless, I kept rescheduling.

Each time we spoke, there was at least ten minutes of back and forth between myself and the recruiter over the phone, where we talked about the job, my future plans, and so on. The one piece of information I had been unwilling to divest, however, was the amount of money I was asking for; I felt it best to wait until the face-to-face meeting.

During our last phone call, however, when the recruiter (for the upteenth time) asked me how much salary I was looking for, I elected to give up waiting and just name a figure. So I said: "$".

She thanked me curtly for the info, and she was polite, but it was obvious from her change in tone (not her words) that I was too expensive for them. Shortly after we got off the phone, I received a form email that thanked me for my interest in the position, but that no positions were currently available, and they would keep my resume on file.

I wrote back (as politely as I could) that I would rather they not keep my resume on file, as I was quite disappointed to have received such a sudden and impersonal rejection letter considering the amount of back-and-forth that had gone on during the previous several weeks. What went unsaid in the email was how shocked I was that she couldn't tell me "no" over the phone, but chose instead to fire off that email.

The response that came back was stunningly hostile, and was essentially one big personal attack.

I knew a few folks who worked there, and heard stories later from others who had ridiculous interviews (like a guy in his 40s with over a decade of experience being asked by the 20-something owner of the company to "write an essay describing why you want to work for me" -- the guy being interviewed got up and walked out without a word), so it turned out to be a good thing I didn't get the job.

Esp. because I landed a job elsewhere with a much more reputable company -- aka one that everyone on this board has heard of -- and a salary 15% higher than "$", but that's just me being snarky now.
posted by davejay at 2:50 PM on February 16, 2006

darnit! closing my emphasis tag; matt, when you get a chance, please clean up after me
posted by davejay at 2:51 PM on February 16, 2006

According to the Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly article, he decided to hire two lawyers instead of one and reduced the amount of salary that they'd originally discussed. She still looks bad, but that makes her initial response a little less out of the blue.

I'd be tempted to get snippy in that situation, too, but I hope I'd find a more graceful way to decline the job because the money wasn't good enough.
posted by kirkaracha at 2:52 PM on February 16, 2006

Cut this woman some slack. The job was at a pay rate calculated when he was only considering one lawyer. He decided to hire two, and told her that the rate would be less than they had agreed to. It seems to me that HE broke the agreement that they had made, and I can see how that would piss her off. Is what she did smart? Obviously not. But she's 24. Everyone does something they regret at the age of twenty four.
posted by Roger Dodger at 2:54 PM on February 16, 2006

That's the whole exchange? What dios quoted? I guess Metatalk has me spoiled for that sort of thing.
posted by furiousthought at 4:38 PM CST on February 16

Yep. I edited out the 50 or so headers--of people saying "I have to forward this to you. Start from the bottom" or "Sew! Ha!"--which show how it snakes through the community. I also edited out the footers which include different variations of the "This Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. This communication may contain material protected by the attorney-client privilege.... yada, yada."

What I quoted was the entirety of the exchange. Which is why I can't believe it made into the Boston Globe.
posted by dios at 2:55 PM on February 16, 2006

There are four parties who look bad in this situation: a 24-year-old law school graduate, a 36-year-old former prosecutor, the Boston Globe, and the few thousand attorneys who have been shuffling this inconsequential gossip amongst themselves for a week.

All things considered, Ms. Abdala isn't the one I'd be inclined to criticize first.
posted by cribcage at 3:14 PM on February 16, 2006

What I quoted was the entirety of the exchange. Which is why I can't believe it made into the Boston Globe.

Ditto on that. We seem to have a bigger flare out daily on MeFi. And my family has email exchanges 10 times nastier than this every month, it seems.

Classic tempest in a teapot.
posted by teece at 3:15 PM on February 16, 2006

Haven't people figured out how to forward a fucking email without removing the emails addresses of every person who had it before them?
posted by jeffmik at 3:21 PM on February 16, 2006

Thanks for the derail, dios.
posted by orthogonality at 3:22 PM on February 16, 2006

Wow, someone I've never heard of sent a testy e-mail to someone else I've never heard of. Enthralling.
posted by notmydesk at 3:29 PM on February 16, 2006

Scrumtrilescent.
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:36 PM on February 16, 2006

bla bla bla? i think she meant "Bob Loblaw"
posted by joeblough at 4:02 PM on February 16, 2006

hehe joeblough
posted by Dreamghost at 4:03 PM on February 16, 2006

dios writes "Yep. I edited out the 50 or so headers--of people saying 'I have to forward this to you. Start from the bottom' or 'Sew! Ha!'--which show how it snakes through the community"

There was a great one that made it to every firm on Wall Street in which a first-year analyst said he "would not do well in prison, too good-looking" among other things. When I actual met the kid, it sorta felt like I was meeting a celebrity.
posted by mullacc at 4:14 PM on February 16, 2006

Thanks for the derail, dios.

umm. what has dios said that was off topic? or are you just being a dick?
posted by Dreamghost at 4:33 PM on February 16, 2006

Dreamghost writes "umm. what has dios said that was off topic? or are you just being a dick?"

I was trying for a little friendly levity.
posted by orthogonality at 4:34 PM on February 16, 2006

"Esq."
posted by IshmaelGraves at 4:39 PM on February 16, 2006

You called?
posted by blahblahblah at 4:40 PM on February 16, 2006

I was trying for a little friendly levity.

No you were being a dick.
posted by Dreamghost at 4:40 PM on February 16, 2006

I'd hope that any twenty-four year old who could pass the bar exam would have the presence of mind and civility to not openly mock someone in her own field who, yes, she will likely run across a few times in her career.

It's one thing to be irritated. However, most experienced lawyers I have seen have a great sense of eloquence, something this woman does not. In fact, I can go so far as to say even considering "bla bla bla" as a retort to a fellow professional is at very best, a sign of immaturity and unreliability.

Yes, Mr. Korman jumped the gun. However, his irritation was simply that, until Ms. Abdala's first reply. Playing high school social games in the real world doesn't go over well.
posted by Saydur at 4:45 PM on February 16, 2006

I was trying for a little friendly levity.
posted by orthogonality at 7:34 PM EST on February 16 [!]

Your friendly levity isn't very friendly.
posted by unreason at 4:48 PM on February 16, 2006

Dreamghost writes "No you were being a dick."

Dude, in case you missed it, I posted this thread in order to take a little heat off dios. Check the thread title, then check dios's latest FPP.
posted by orthogonality at 4:49 PM on February 16, 2006

I wouldn't want to do business with either Korman or Abdala... one would be flippant, and the other would feel that he can forward your communications to whoever if he thinks they're funny enough.
posted by clevershark at 4:56 PM on February 16, 2006

IshmaelGraves writes "Esq."

Gesundheit.
posted by Marianne at 4:57 PM on February 16, 2006

WTF you derailed his thread? And now your taking unprovoked jabs at him in this thread. GET A LIFE MAN
posted by Dreamghost at 4:57 PM on February 16, 2006

All things considered, Ms. Abdala isn't the one I'd be inclined to criticize first.

Yeah, me too. The whole thing is like looking into a nest of vipers.

And I take ortho's word for it he's trying to make nice, in his orthogonal way.
posted by languagehat at 5:03 PM on February 16, 2006

As I see it, Korman forwarded the email as a way of backing up his threat. He is saying to all lawyers in his address book "look out for this crazy bitch"

This wouldn't be such a big deal if she hadn't included the part about what a "real lawyer" should have done.

nobody, not a butcher baker or candlestick maker, with a successfully expanding business wants to be told his job by a snot nose, brat with no real experience!!
posted by Megafly at 5:31 PM on February 16, 2006

Yeah, do bear in mind that:

1) Korman hired her at a certain salary, and then cut her salary (bait-and-switch), and then was upset (shocked!) when she decided to withdraw her acceptance of his offer.

2) Thousands of lawyers all across the country are, at this very moment, just loving the feelings of superiority and schadenfreude that they're getting from gloating over this girl

3) Not all lawyers are as shallow as the individuals involved in this exchange.
posted by gd779 at 5:50 PM on February 16, 2006

Hold on, Korman didn't forward the email to everyone in his address book. He forwarded it to a third party, who responded by asking whether it was okay to forward to others. I doubt Korman ever thought it would travel the way it did.

These things have an odd way of capturing peoples' imaginations. One day you're leaving a cranky voicemail; the next day your words are being emblazoned on mousepads and coffee mugs.
posted by subgenius at 5:58 PM on February 16, 2006

Okay then. Look, Boston Globe, tell me when one of those lawyers threatens to cut his own hand off, I'll get back to you.
posted by furiousthought at 5:58 PM on February 16, 2006

why commit resources without a contract if you are going to later complain about misallocation of oh-so-prrrrecious resources?

Lawyers almost never have employment contracts. Neither do most non-unionized employees, even though many think they do. It's employment at will, like most jobs. Further evidence that this person is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Is this earth shattering? I don't know. I do know that cautionary tale emails (and voicemails) are especially popular in the sit-in-front-of-a-computer-all-day legal community and somehow, they always end up in the paper.
posted by kosem at 7:07 PM on February 16, 2006

Korman hired her at a certain salary, and then cut her salary (bait-and-switch), and then was upset (shocked!) when she decided to withdraw her acceptance of his offer.

No. Korman mentioned one salary in the first interview, and a lower salary in the second interview. She accepted the offer in spite of acknowledging the lower salary. If he had lowered the salary after she had accepted, then that would clearly give her the moral right to walk away. But such a thing did not happen.

Korman sounds smug when he tells her that their paths may cross again. But he is absolutely, totally right. For all the lawyers that are churned out of law schools every year, state bars are close-knit societies. Everyone pays dues; everyone goes to the same continuing education classes, and everyone in the same field - in this case criminal defense - will share an elevator many, many times in their careers. Abdala is not only doing herself a disservice by burning bridges with the entire city; she is doing her clients a disservice because nobody in the bar or on the bench will ever do her a favor.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 7:21 PM on February 16, 2006

on the other hand, saucy intruder, everyone who does business with mr korman will be wondering if what they say is going to stay with him ... or whether he's going to change his terms and guilt trip people when they tell him it's not acceptable

she has a few things to learn about being polite ... he has a LOT to learn about being ethical
posted by pyramid termite at 8:34 PM on February 16, 2006

Being an arrogant prick/bitch who thinks you are better than the boss is the foundation of all capitalism and free enterprise. I kind of admire her gall. I wouldn't give her a job though - she definitely belongs on the street doing it tough and learning some street smarts.
posted by DirtyCreature at 9:07 PM on February 16, 2006

Her curt retort: 'A real lawyer would have put the contract into writing and not exercised any such reliance until he did so."

WHA-?!?

Oh. Curt.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:19 PM on February 16, 2006

Jesus f'ing Christ, has the U.S. turned into a bunch of girly-man PC pansies? That email exchange was so tame it would make my grandma fall asleep. Now, if she'd added a pickle along with a pic of it inserted up her arse, and then ask him to suck on it, that would be worthy of passing around. (the email, not the pickle)
posted by Meridian at 5:45 AM on February 17, 2006

Someone linked to it above, but the famous "Monkey Scribe" voicemail tops this and is worth noting again in case anyone who enjoys a good voicemail freak-out missed it. [.wav file]

That one is probably topped by the insane message noted in this [.pdf] sanctions order, though I can't find an audio file anywhere (there used to be one floating around the web).

Also, don't forget the sushi memo [.pdf]!

Also, this guy was not a lawyer, but, still, great job-ending e-mail!
posted by Mid at 6:41 AM on February 17, 2006

I would bet that a good number of practicing attorneys have emails like this (and the 2000 Fenwick & West Charity Auction, the 2001 Cadwalder Summer Associate, the "burning bridges" departure email, ad infinitum) stored somewhere in their computers.

(Because I was curious and looked them up and figured I should share.)
posted by smackfu at 8:29 AM on February 17, 2006

Generally, a FPP about insane work voice-mails or e-mails would be cool.
posted by Mid at 9:41 AM on February 17, 2006

UPDATE: Just got this email, apparently from the father of the applicant:

To All:

My name is George S. Abdala. I am a lawyer in Springfield, Mass. If you are reading this, then no doubt you are aware of the situation that occurred between my daughter, Dianna Abdala, and William A. Korman.

I must first apologize to Mr. Korman for the lack of respect that my daughter showed to you. You in no way were deserving of the degrading remarks that she made towards you. In fact, she should have been grateful
for the opportunity that you had given her. Next, I must apologize to everyone else.

It occurred to me while reading the same forward that I am sure that many of you have read that I have raised a daughter that is not only spoiled, but socially unaware. As a father, I am ashamed that I allowed her out of my house without a shred of integrity. I guess I realized that she
was spoiled, but it took this to have me realize just how much.

You will all, I am sure, be happy to know that going forward my daughter will be without the luxuries that she is used to. I have since sold her car, stopped paying her rent, and totally cut her off from my finances. I guess now she will finally see what the real world is like. Hopefully she will do as many of you have and learn to work hard to earn the
things in life that she desires.

I do have one request. Since this email has started circulating I have received a rather substantial backlash. I am starting to lose some of my business. Although I do in part take responsibility for the person that my daughter has become, I do not wish it to affect my business. If you could please refrain form forwarding the emails anymore I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you for taking time out of your busy days to read this. I wish all of you the best that life has to offer.

Sincerely,

George S. Abdala

I have no idea if it's real or not, given that it comes from a hotmail addess. Also, here's a previous post on abusive voicemail &c. to and from lawyers.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 12:56 PM on February 20, 2006

Seems fake to me. Real fathers are defensive when their little girls are attacked, and don't cut them off because someone says they are spoiled.
posted by smackfu at 1:32 PM on February 20, 2006

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's fake.
posted by languagehat at 3:05 PM on February 20, 2006