Comments on: To Give Up A Game First Requires Us To Give Up Part Of Ourselves

To Give Up A Game First Requires Us To Give Up Part Of Ourselves

yankeefog — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:15:34 -0800

Takeshi no Chousenjou may be the hardest videogame ever written. With a title screen warning that it was "created by somebody who hates videogames" (actually writer/actor/director/comedian Takeshi "Beat" Kitano) "Takeshi's Challenge" forces gamers to endure such tasks as singing karaoke for an uninterrupted hour and holding a single button for four straight hours. Players who endure to the end are rewarded by having to hit the final boss 20,000 times. If you don't speak the language, you might be able to enjoy the game as a Japanese precursor to Grand Theft Auto, but those who understand it more fully see it as "a videogame that riffs on human disappointment for as many hours as the player is willing to search for redemption." Warning: last link contains possible spoilers for Mother 2 and some of the Metal Gear Solid games.

By: yankeefog

yankeefog — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:21:51 -0800

Actually, looking at that last link again, I should have mentioned that you have to scroll down a ways to get to the relevant stuff. Doing a search for "Takeshi" is probably the fastest way to get to it.

By: jimmy

jimmy — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:27:21 -0800

God, Tim Rogers is such a tool. I hope he gets run over by a bus one of these days. The other stuff is good, though.

By: brundlefly

brundlefly — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:29:28 -0800

Jesus Christ. Is there anything that Beat doesn't do?

By: mert

mert — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:30:11 -0800

Very interesting and funny. It's curious that there isn't too much art made regarding video games and their conventions...

By: jne1813

jne1813 — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:31:39 -0800

Yeah, I challenge you all to a 20,000 hit deathmatch...see you in a couple years.

By: dydecker

dydecker — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:33:18 -0800

Jesus Christ. Is there anything that Beat doesn't do? Make interesting TV shows and films

By: Dr-Baa

Dr-Baa — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:38:50 -0800

Make interesting TV shows and films Fa. I beg to differ.

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:39:18 -0800

The second link is broken in IE. Extra quotation mark or something.

By: Spatch

Spatch — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:42:40 -0800

How about an eight-hour search for redemption? Penn & Teller's Sega CD game, Smoke And Mirrors, had a mini-game called "Desert Bus." The object of Desert Bus is to drive a bus from Tuscon to Las Vegas. Your bus doesn't go over 45 mph. There is no scenery or obstacles, just an empty desert road. Your bus also veers slightly to the right, so you can't put something on the accelerate button and go live your life. The trip takes roughly eight hours. If you get to Vegas, you score one point.

By: Gator

Gator — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:44:54 -0800

I loved Johnny Mnemonic. Never failed to put me out like a light whenever I was having trouble sleeping.

By: Protocols of the Elders of Awesome

Protocols of the Elders of Awesome — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:47:44 -0800

What has Johnny Mnemonic got to do with anything?

By: Gator

Gator — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:49:03 -0800

...The subject of this post was in it?

By: lumpenprole

lumpenprole — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:56:57 -0800

Just when I thought I couldn't love Beat any more than I do... And dydecker , if you thought Kikujiro was boring, I weep for you because you have no soul.

By: btwillig

btwillig — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:57:44 -0800

Make interesting TV shows and films Fa. I beg to differ. I add this, to that list.

By: qvantamon

qvantamon — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:13:40 -0800

Too easy, no fun. Wish the game had a hard mode. Maybe if it had a stage with one billion mazes it would be more challenging.

By: Faint of Butt

Faint of Butt — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:29:03 -0800

jimmy, what's your beef with Tim Rogers? I don't know anything about the guy, but I thought that essay was fantastic.

By: Gnatcho

Gnatcho — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:35:12 -0800

Everything I learn about Takeshi Kitano just increases my respect for the man.

By: shmegegge

shmegegge — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:38:48 -0800

you know, despite the fact that this post links to fucking Tim "I'm high on myself" Rogers, this is still awesome. Good for Beat Takeshi! I adore him more, now, than I did before I heard about this. Fucking rad.

By: straight

straight — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:01:24 -0800

Douglas Adams helped write Bureaucracy, one of the first games to purposely antagonize the player with tedium.

By: jenovus

jenovus — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:17:26 -0800

That article in the last link was huge, and only incidentally refers to Takeshi. I read the whole thing anyway, because I like Earthbound. The author seems only able to write very convoluted paragraphs.

By: mert

mert — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:41:41 -0800

There are, of course, simpler videogames.

By: chrominance

chrominance — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:13:26 -0800

if you thought Kikujiro was boring, I weep for you because you have no soul. I loved Hana-Bi, but Kikujiro was rather unfortunate. Too violent to be a kid's movie, but too awkwardly childish to be an adult movie. The last part, when they're all camping in a field somewhere, is awesomely stupid and maudlin. I realize the man shot the film right after a horrific motorcycle accident that made him re-examine his life, and I understand he didn't want to be pigeonholed as a gangster filmmaker, but Hana-Bi had far more genuinely touching moments, even if it is technically "one of those gangster movies." ...many others believe the entire game was a cruel joke on the gaming community by Takeshi Kitano. Of COURSE it was a cruel joke by Kitano. That's why it's so awesome. What did anyone expect from a game by Beat Takeshi?

By: disillusioned

disillusioned — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:24:35 -0800

Spoilers for Earthbound? A game that was released more than ten years ago? Or did you mean Mother 3? ;-)

By: jcruelty

jcruelty — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:28:39 -0800

interesting post-- i'd never heard of this game before. it made me think of the novel lucky wander boy. always cool to find games that baffle and vex. PS tim rogers writes turgid, bloviated prose and i've rarely managed to finish reading anything he's done

By: nightchrome

nightchrome — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:08:02 -0800

I always find it hard to reconcile the grande artiste Beat Takeshi people in western media fawn over with the complete retard I see on tv everyday, wearing a bald-cap and bonking people on the head with a plastic mallet while groping some chick.

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:56:21 -0800

wearing a bald-cap and bonking people on the head with a plastic mallet while groping some chick. My lifelong dream is to be paid to do that.

By: nightchrome

nightchrome — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:45:05 -0800

stavros: he's a relatively amusing comedian most of the time, but in the Will Ferrell style of retarded dirty old man comedy. I have a tough time taking him seriously at all, which is why the fawning attitude people take over him is confusing.

By: Faint of Butt

Faint of Butt — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:08:32 -0800

Beat Takeshi is a comic and artistic genius, far too sophisticated for the likes of you, nightchrome. This applies even when Takeshi-san is asleep.

By: nightchrome

nightchrome — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:07:24 -0800

FoB: uhhhh, okay.

By: jenovus

jenovus — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:36:13 -0800

nightchrome, you're just jealous because no one wants to storm your castle. KIDDING

By: macdara

macdara — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 03:42:06 -0800

I loved Hana-Bi, but Kikujiro was rather unfortunate. Too violent to be a kid's movie, but too awkwardly childish to be an adult movie. That's a cultural difference, right there. Japanese films aimed at the younger market tend to be more violent in nature than their Western counterparts. See Princess Mononoke for another example. Maybe the camping section of the movie is stupid and maudlin to you, but it's in context with the film as a whole. It's supposed to be drippy and sentimental, so it's a bit silly to criticise it for being so, in my opinion.