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February 27, 2006 7:39 AM   Subscribe

Never Mind the Bollocks.
posted by bardic (81 comments total)

 
Never mind functional illiteracy.
posted by Oddly at 7:53 AM on February 27, 2006


They could have left it at "We're not coming. You're not paying attention" but they really do have the jabbering, self-obsessed teenage angst thing down beautifully.
posted by NinjaPirate at 7:56 AM on February 27, 2006


Fair enough.
posted by fire&wings at 7:57 AM on February 27, 2006


Hahahaha.. Sex Pistols were cool when they were retarded kids, but retarded old men are just sad. Shitcock.
posted by thirteenkiller at 7:58 AM on February 27, 2006


Why they invented lined notebook paper.
posted by smackfu at 7:59 AM on February 27, 2006


i'd have been greatly disappointed and surprised if they had accepted the honor
posted by pyramid termite at 8:00 AM on February 27, 2006


Anyone have a translation?
posted by brain_drain at 8:00 AM on February 27, 2006


That's awesome. Nice post. They're right. Musical wankfest. Etcetera.
posted by erebora at 8:03 AM on February 27, 2006


Oh pish posh. I'm happy Rotten & Co. did this even if it just for publicity. Like pyramid termite said, I'd be disappointed if they didn't do something like this. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is about all the BS rock music should be against such as being accepted in polite society.

If someone could point to the exact quote (I couldn't find it), when Woody Guthrie was inducted into the hall of fame, didn't Arlo Guthrie say to the tuxedo clad crowd something like "I can't tell you where dad would be tonight if he were alive, but I am sure he wouldn't be here."
posted by marxchivist at 8:09 AM on February 27, 2006


Who?
posted by scratch at 8:09 AM on February 27, 2006


Wow, how punk rock.
posted by chococat at 8:11 AM on February 27, 2006


At least they're consistent.
posted by fungible at 8:15 AM on February 27, 2006


I'm glad to see grammarchy is alive and well.
posted by glenwood at 8:15 AM on February 27, 2006


So, the hall of fame is no good, but Judge Judy is just fine?
posted by Otis at 8:27 AM on February 27, 2006


I, too, would have been disappointed if they had accepted.
I'm also surprised that they even spoke as a unit anymore.
posted by Thorzdad at 8:30 AM on February 27, 2006


Does rock and roll angst and/or rebelliousness still impress anybody over 14?
posted by bondcliff at 8:31 AM on February 27, 2006


Hilarious. I'm guessing the translation here is that the Rock & Roll hall of fame tried to induct the Sex Pistols, and that clusterfuck of a letter is their response? Yeah, rock on man!
posted by antifuse at 8:49 AM on February 27, 2006


Their rejection letter looked like it was penned by someone under 14. Nice.
posted by Atreides at 8:52 AM on February 27, 2006


Does rock and roll angst and/or rebelliousness still impress anybody over 14?

Yes Bondcliff, It does - at least the rebellious part. At 42, I can honestly still say I think it's AWESOEM!1!1! (but only when the Sex Pistols are doing it). Admittedly, their music was part of my growing up and a huge part of my social fabric.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 8:55 AM on February 27, 2006


Who?
No, the Sex Pistols. The Who are a different group entirely. Right country, though.
posted by TheDonF at 8:59 AM on February 27, 2006


Who?

Seventies boy band with hygiene issues.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:07 AM on February 27, 2006


yes, the rock and roll hall of fame is no good. but roseanne barr's talk show, and mtv and vh1 and every other tv appearance rotten's made in the last 20 years... that's all fine.

I have a ton of respect for the sex pistols, but it requires that I pretend they all died before 1980 in order for me to maintain it.
posted by shmegegge at 9:10 AM on February 27, 2006


The R&R HOF is a Joke. Witness: No JETHRO TULL. There I said it. Now deal with it.
posted by Gungho at 9:14 AM on February 27, 2006


They should just induct Malcolm McLaren instead, you know that he'd show up.
posted by R. Mutt at 9:16 AM on February 27, 2006


Would it kill you to play a little Foghat in here?!
posted by jenovus at 9:17 AM on February 27, 2006


ogod
posted by cellphone at 9:22 AM on February 27, 2006


john lydon really sucks at english.
posted by cellphone at 9:24 AM on February 27, 2006


Does rock and roll angst and/or rebelliousness still impress anybody over 14?

Without angst and/or rebelliousness, it just isn't rock and roll. It's either MOR/AOR or the next American Idol.

As for whether it impresses anyone over 14, I doubt that anyone under 40 has listened to this kind of stuff for the last 15 years.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:32 AM on February 27, 2006


I saw the Sex Pistols on a recent tour (with Flogging Molly I think? Don't laugh- free tickets!), and it was pretty depressing. This letter shows that they still care, but the RRHOF is pretty much a joke, isn't it?
posted by kendrak at 9:32 AM on February 27, 2006


Peter, I'm 39 (and 1/2), and I listened to The Great Rock and Roll Swindle Just this past Friday. So NYAHH!
posted by MrMoonPie at 9:41 AM on February 27, 2006


Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?







...and what shmegegge said. I just plug my ears and sing la la la whenever any surviving Pistols says or does anything.
posted by jokeefe at 9:51 AM on February 27, 2006


BBC: A Hall of Fame representative said each inductee gets two free tickets, with additional ones costing $2,500 (£1,432).

Can't bring the kids? I'd be pissed off too.
posted by R. Mutt at 9:54 AM on February 27, 2006


No JETHRO TULL indeed. And for good reason. Hope Ian Anderson fucking chokes on his douchebag flute.



tosser.
posted by stenseng at 9:54 AM on February 27, 2006


This letter shows that they still care

I thought the point was that they didn't care? That's what the tiresome twat Lydon seems to repeat every few seconds when he's on the telly anyway.
posted by biffa at 9:55 AM on February 27, 2006


i think the most shocking thing they could do now is apologize politely, accept their award, and then donate a half million pounds to Aids prevention programs in Africa. They'd get my attention.
posted by wumpus at 9:58 AM on February 27, 2006


oh guys, did you download the 300 dpi high resolution file of the statement? crystal clear.
posted by wumpus at 10:02 AM on February 27, 2006


Looks like it was written with a Mont Blanc.
posted by The White Hat at 10:20 AM on February 27, 2006


The R&R HOF is a Joke. Witness: No JETHRO TULL.

i don't think jethro tull was quite influencial or important enough to rate being in the hall of fame ... i say that as someone who liked them up until passion play, when ian anderson's ego got in the way of his music

the best thing about the sex pistols is, they knew when to stop
posted by pyramid termite at 10:21 AM on February 27, 2006


So, what, did the judges monocle pop out upon reading this?
posted by piratebowling at 10:21 AM on February 27, 2006


It's going on 30 years now, and people still don't get it.

The Sex Pistols never stood for anything. In fact, that's what made them great. They made a big noise (comprised of, some would say, filth and fury), they imploded and they were gone before they could either hit it big or "sell out".

It was ugly, beautiful and perfect. That they did a reunion tour was amusing, but not relevant. It's just some geezers trying to raise some money for themselves because they can.

The note? Not that it matters, but some of you noticed that it was ridden with grammatical and spelling errors. Good for you. Congratulations, you are now ready for the sixth grade.
posted by psmealey at 10:30 AM on February 27, 2006


As John Lydon has been, in the past, considerably more articulate - at least in interviews - I can't imagine that the letter is much more than a send up.

As for whether it impresses anyone over 14, I doubt that anyone under 40 has listened to this kind of stuff for the last 15 years.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:32 AM PST on February 27 [!]


I guess I'm 39 going on 14, as I listen to such stuff still, rediscovering it every decade or so. My kids sing it in the car, as I find it much preferable to the "my teeth are gold and I slapped my beyotch! Shot up some beyotches and drove my escalade!" crap the kids download. I guess I'm officially old!
posted by onegreeneye at 10:35 AM on February 27, 2006


Y’know, I was very into punk. I had a mohawk, but let it grow out. I liked to mosh - still do. The scenes were nice and all, but really - fuck ‘em. It’s about the music and always was. We give them money, they entertain us. If they speak for us and speak to what we’re feeling inside, so much the better. If it was good, it was what it was. Fuck everything else.
posted by Smedleyman at 10:38 AM on February 27, 2006


and they were gone before they could either hit it big or "sell out".

John Lydon has sold out a bunch of times and alternately denied that he ultimately sold out or that he invented the concept of selling out. He claims to have invented a lot of shit that he didn't. He's not even a decent showman anymore.

But he and Steve Jones put out an album that pretty much makes them immortal. "Never Mind the Bollocks" is awesome. PIL did really good stuff, too. But he needs to stop the performance art and stop claiming that he has integrity.

Of course, I'm a Clash fan, so I'm as objective as an Ulster catholic discussing the Reverend Ian Paisley.
posted by Mayor Curley at 10:44 AM on February 27, 2006


It's funny you mention that MC. At the the time, NMTB and The Clash's "Give Em' Enough Rope" (which to me, is a work of art as well) were both in my collection and I loved them equally. Those bands just seemed so intermingled that I never considered one better than the other but an amalgamation of the rage of the times.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 10:55 AM on February 27, 2006


Oooooh...that Johnny....he's soooo punk rock!

/swoon

Hee. It's just John making noise. I think the note is a send up. Much like the Sex Pisols, really.
posted by dejah420 at 11:15 AM on February 27, 2006


I was far more into the West Coast punk scene in the mid-late 70's - early 80's than the British scene and didnt really even hear a Sex Pistols song until a bit later, although I was always enamored of The Clash. At the time I thought they were pretty dated actually, but since I didnt know anything about British politics, I expect I missed the context. Too busy listening to the West Coast's punk bombast, I reckon.

Now in my 40's I chuckle a bit at punk-rock ravings, but I still have my "Bollocks" album and even play it occasionally when I decide to pull out my turntable.

Found an interesting (and long) if somewhat spurious history/rant of punk rock while I was searching. Makes an amusing read.
posted by elendil71 at 11:17 AM on February 27, 2006


Hey Stenseng! Really don't mind if you'd sit this one out. Your words but a whisper, your deafness a shout!
While it may be true that Tull did not influence many they were and are unique. That being said they inducted Jackson Brown into the RRHOF for chissakes! So their standards can't be too high.
back on topic: Punk lasted 9 months. period. Anything that happened after the Sex Pistols came to America is not Punk.
posted by Gungho at 11:18 AM on February 27, 2006


Hoo hoo hoo! I wouldn't want to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's shoes now!
posted by mazola at 11:19 AM on February 27, 2006


My kids sing [Sex Pistols' tunes] in the car, as I find it much preferable to the "my teeth are gold and I slapped my beyotch! Shot up some beyotches and drove my escalade!" crap the kids download. I guess I'm officially old!

That fact that mums and dads don't like it makes it as punk as anything Stiff Little Fingers, The Slits or The Damned ever recorded. John Lydon may be a punk, but he is also a self obsessed cock.
posted by DrDoberman at 11:29 AM on February 27, 2006


Of course, now that they don't expect them to show up for the induction .... it would be perfect to show up .... and scream about not being invited.
posted by R. Mutt at 11:36 AM on February 27, 2006


It looks like you're writing a Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame letter.

Would you like help?

• Jethro "it's about bloody time" Tull template
• Kool and The Gang WTF? template
• snotty Sex Pistols rejection template
• snotty Green Day rejection template
• "We're already dead" Ramones template

posted by hellbient at 12:10 PM on February 27, 2006


I just went and put on Mojo Nixon's 'Rock and Roll Hall of Lame' in tribute.

And as far as I'm concerned John Lydon can do any dumb ass thing he wants. Being in two genre-breaking amazing bands is enough greatness for one lifetime. Let him afford to grow old, okay?
posted by lumpenprole at 12:10 PM on February 27, 2006


I was far more into the West Coast punk scene in the mid-late 70's - early 80's

We should compare notes, elendil71.

And hellbient: heh.
posted by jokeefe at 12:15 PM on February 27, 2006


At the the time, NMTB and The Clash's "Give Em' Enough Rope" (which to me, is a work of art as well) were both in my collection and I loved them equally.

I would like to derail long enough to say that I am thrilled to hear someone say they loved "Give 'Em Enough Rope" as much as "Never Mind The Bollocks." It's definitely the third-best of their catalog (after "The Clash" and "London Calling") but it's a very, very good album.
posted by Mayor Curley at 12:26 PM on February 27, 2006


I would like to derail long enough to say that I am thrilled to hear someone say they loved "Give 'Em Enough Rope" as much as "Never Mind The Bollocks." It's definitely the third-best of their catalog (after "The Clash" and "London Calling") but it's a very, very good album.

Heh. Agreed on "London Calling" and "The Clash." I purchased "Nevermind The Bollocks" and "Give Em' Enough Rope" both at the same time so they will be forever linked in my mind.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 12:40 PM on February 27, 2006


Being in two genre-breaking amazing bands is enough greatness for one lifetime. Let him afford to grow old, okay?

Public Image, Ltd was neither genre-breaking nor amazing.
posted by shmegegge at 12:45 PM on February 27, 2006


R&RHOF Inductees 2006

Black Sabbath
Blondie
Miles Davis
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Sex Pistols
Herb Alpert & Jerry Moss

WTF??? Isn't this supposed to be Rock & Roll?
Miles Davis and Herb Alpert aren't even close...and Blondie is about ten steps removed.
This should be more like the baseball hall, where if there aren't enough deserving inductees, only one or two get in each year.
posted by rocket88 at 12:47 PM on February 27, 2006


In his 70's bands, Miles promised to put together the baddest rock group ever. Not to defend the RnRHoF, just sayin'.

As much as I like The Ramones, no one will ever build a memorial statue for Lydon, Vicious, Cook, nor Jones. I think that says something (cool).
posted by bardic at 12:51 PM on February 27, 2006


Also from the BBC.

Maybe the Sex Pistols were just frightened of the prospect of Ozzy Osbourne, Blondie and the surviving members of Lynyrd Skynyrd performing a half-hour jam to the tune of Little Spanish Flea.
posted by Otis at 1:01 PM on February 27, 2006


We should compare notes, elendil71.

Hehe, I'm afraid most of my mental notes of that era were lost in the bottom of bottles of vodka that seemed to define my punk years, but I do count myself privilaged that I got a chance to see DOA, the Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, the Circle Jerks, Bad Religion (How Could Hell be Any Worse still stands as probably my all-time favorite punk album) and a host of others I can barely recall, in their heyday. I seem to recall a lot of shows at the Elite Club in SF (long long since gone now) and in Sacramento, which had a pretty happening punk scene back in the day.

I have a vague memory of actually trying to sing on stage at a TSOL show along with half the patrons before a mass stage dive. Ahh good times.
posted by elendil71 at 1:03 PM on February 27, 2006


elendil71: Me too! I saw some GREAT shows, some at crazy, crazy places where it was amazing we all weren't electrocuted or stone deaf by the end. I saw 45 Grave in a Seattle basement and the crowd was literally standing in a pool of water facing the amps. During my brief stint as a runaway in SFO I drank VERY underage with X until someone said "Where the fuck is your mother? Get out of here!" and remember, sort of, crazy stuff at the Off Broadway and the Tool and Die. I have some insane stage diving pictures. Immortal at 16, who knew faces were so fragile when the crowd divides and the diver hits the floor?

It's funny how little has changed. I remember when TSOL stood for Totally Sold Out Losers and it seems that, even today, folks are snobbily defining what was and wasn't punk enough to be really punk, and insisting that if you weren't there before 80', man, you missed the whole scene. Too funny. I had a boyfriend, sadly long dead now, who said "Arguing over who/what is more punkrock is like arguing over who has better cancer."
posted by onegreeneye at 1:58 PM on February 27, 2006


That fact that mums and dads don't like it makes it as punk as anything Stiff Little Fingers, The Slits or The Damned ever recorded. John Lydon may be a punk, but he is also a self obsessed cock.
posted by DrDoberman at 11:29 AM PST on February 27 [!]


DD: I couldn't agree more, with either statement.
posted by onegreeneye at 2:00 PM on February 27, 2006


"Arguing over who/what is more punkrock is like arguing over who has better cancer."

Which is, itself, an perfect punk epitaph. Sorry we lost your friend.

"if you weren't there before 80', man, you missed the whole scene."

Heh, I confess to having uttered that statement a couple of times in the past. When I moved out of the punk scene, I gave my younger brother most of my albums and was quietly bemused at the direction punk headed after that. From the vantage of my oh-so-wise and experienced twenty-something eyes, it seemed like (at least the local scene) moved away from the energy and fun and started to get really violent. When I was thrashin' in the pit, a skinhead just meant some guy with no hair, and they were as often black. Later it seemed just to get mean.

I caught a DK reunion show with the Descendents some years later in a small venue and well, it sucked. Then again, I wasn't 16 anymore, with a bottle in each back pocket of my jeans.
posted by elendil71 at 2:33 PM on February 27, 2006


Punk? That was 30 years ago. Punks today are a bunch of Elvis impersonators.
posted by pracowity at 4:18 PM on February 27, 2006


rocket88: WTF??? Isn't this supposed to be Rock & Roll?

What is "Rock & Roll"? Why does it matter?
posted by oncogenesis at 5:27 PM on February 27, 2006


Fuuuuuck I hate all the "awards shows", all the "halls of fame", "prize this and prize that", anal-sniffing mutual admiration societies.

Good on yer johhny.
posted by telstar at 6:25 PM on February 27, 2006


I thought Johnny was cute in 1976, I thought he was cute in PIL, I thought he was cute on "I'm a celebrity..." and I think he's cute now.

And I saw 'em live, you fuckers. In Cleethorpes. How cool is that? You don't have to answer.
posted by Decani at 6:25 PM on February 27, 2006


I thought Johnny was cute in 1976, I thought he was cute in PIL, I thought he was cute on "I'm a celebrity..." and I think he's cute now.

And I saw 'em live, you fuckers. In Cleethorpes. How cool is that? You don't have to answer.
posted by Decani at 6:25 PM on February 27, 2006


Man, why does that keep happening? I'd swear I didn't click it twice. It must be age.
posted by Decani at 6:26 PM on February 27, 2006


Am I the only one who was honestly surprised to find out Johnny was still alive?
posted by InnocentBystander at 7:14 PM on February 27, 2006


I asked my wife to marry me at a PIL concert.

Johnny rocks. I'm glad they're not going. NMTB, the album, is the only honor the Pistols need.
posted by yhbc at 7:55 PM on February 27, 2006


I'm still laughing about the douchebag flute.
DOUCHEBAG FLUTE.
DOUCHEBAG FLUTE.
DOUCHEBAG FLUTE.
DOUCHEBAG FLUTE.

(there, got that out of my system.)
posted by soiled cowboy at 8:40 PM on February 27, 2006


XM satellite radio station: Fungus. Genuine (as it can be these days) punk 24x7.

It may not be punk of the first water, but it is not dead.
posted by tgyg at 9:28 PM on February 27, 2006


Didn't Ray Davies refuse to attend the ceremony when the Kinks were inducted in 1990? Fuck the RRHOF.

Punk cred sidenote: In a wedding toast to my new bride, I quoted The Minutemen.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 9:29 PM on February 27, 2006


My kids sing it in the car...I guess I'm officially old!

ah onegreeneye, this marketing must be aimed at you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-nJ5W7g-pw

man - is that not horrific? can't tell me punks not dead... though i still love my sex pistols and clash elpees (yeah tha's right i got 'em on VINYL) ha so i guess i am old too. i wonder if i ever crossed paths with you or elendil? though my punk days were almost exclusivley so-cal, only a few no-cal gigs in the mix. good times.
posted by lapolla at 9:39 PM on February 27, 2006


oh and - steve jones' "dear diary" schtick on craig ferguson's show is hysterical.
posted by lapolla at 9:50 PM on February 27, 2006


That fact that mums and dads don't like it makes it as punk as anything Stiff Little Fingers, The Slits or The Damned ever recorded.

I guess, if punk is defined as "anything your parents don't like."

If punk has any actual political orientation beyond that -- say, opposing itself to The Shit-stem (nice reggae term that Lydon borrowed), corporate music, bourgeois society -- and I would say that The Clash represent this proposition fairly well -- then hip-hop about Escalades, gettin' paid, and slappin' hos around is not punk. Rather, it's just a gangsta-fied reflection/mutation of mainstream bourgeois American values.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 9:25 AM on February 28, 2006


And I saw 'em live, you fuckers. In Cleethorpes. How cool is that? You don't have to answer.
posted by Decani at 6:25 PM PST on February 27 [!]


I saw him live too, at the Showbox in Seattle. What I thought was great was that he applauded this girl who got up on stage and, instead of stage diving, danced through 2 songs. He told the crowd to applaud her too for being brave enough to be different. In a time when we were all so punker-than-thou, and never would have actually danced because we were too cool, it was neat of him.
posted by onegreeneye at 9:58 AM on February 28, 2006


"if you weren't there before 80', man, you missed the whole scene."
Heh, I confess to having uttered that statement a couple of times in the past.
posted by elendil71 at 2:33 PM PST on February 27 [!]


The thing I found funny was that it was being uttered in 1981. And, there was always the "we're nonconformists! But if you don't conform to our all black hair, black clothes music snobbery, you're not as REALLY punk." Then there was the whole west coast "You're a wavo. I'm a hardcose. You're a fake skin, I'm a real skin. Oi!" crapola. My mother, who I thought was so retarded, said wisely at the time, "You're all conformists. You're wearing a uniform that you think is shocking, but it's still a uniform." She was right about that, really. Just like her movement before, we had our golden days and then it all became trend and conformity. I sure had a good time, though, and it was political in a way that I miss. My tat covered punker boyfriend and I thought it was the height of romance that, shortly after my 18th birthday, we both voted for the first time together and ran into all sorts of other drunkard punkers doing the same thing. (And we were nearly ejected.)
posted by onegreeneye at 10:08 AM on February 28, 2006


I presume the Alpert & Moss induction is a label honor for A&M, not recognition for the majestic Tijuana Brass. You know, A&M... the Sex Pistols' label!

As for Johnny's pisstake, good for him. The hall is absurd, and it's no honor to be nominated. I recommend anyone who cares about genre music, as opposed to generic "rock and roll" host their own award ceremony. I did, with the Bubblegum Achievement Awards, so now folks like Toni Wine, Ron Dante, the Turtles, Joey Levine, Steve Barri, Artie Ripp, Ritchie Cordell and Dr. Demento have little statuettes with bubblegum balls on em.
posted by Scram at 6:49 PM on March 1, 2006


Ben Weasel's comments on the whole shebang.

To old punks: he was in bubblegum-punk bands Screeching Weasel, The Riverdales, and Sweet Black And Blue, and I for one, think he rocks balls)
posted by BitterOldPunk at 1:02 AM on March 6, 2006


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