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Post number 5015

stbalbach — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 08:27:02 -0800

Location of Ark of Covenant and Holly Grail.. possibly narrowed down .. involves nights of the Templar, inscriptions on columns, NAZI searches and other Indiana Jones (Monty Python?) like adventure.

By: tranquileye

tranquileye — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 08:36:30 -0800

Well, it's good to see Henry Lincoln is still beating this dead horse. I thought the Grail wasn't really a cup and the ark was at Rennes-le-Chateau. But what do I know?

By: daveadams

daveadams — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:02:46 -0800

I'm curious, tranquileye, what was the Grail, really, if not a cup? I thought it was the cup that Jesus drank from and shared with his disciples during their passover dinner before he was crucified. Since most of my knowledge of both the Ark and the Grail is based on the Indiana Jones movies, I'm not really familiar with their true history.

By: annathea

annathea — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:14:57 -0800

Apparently "Holy Grail" is a mistranslation of an early French phrase meaning "Royal Blood" and that there is no cup, just a secret society of men dedicated to protecting Jesus' bloodline. What, you say? Bloodline? Yes, this guy says that he has also discovered documents indicating that Jesus married Mary Magdelene and had children with her, or a child, or something.

By: Mocata

Mocata — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:21:55 -0800

What a load of complete tosh - as my flatmate's uncle apparently likes to say.

By: frykitty

frykitty — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:37:22 -0800

Ah, but it's fun tosh. For a real ride, try giving Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent a read. It's a great mystery story on its own merit.

By: gsh

gsh — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:01:30 -0800

Hence the origins of the Masons - who are said to toil for the Widow's son. The Widow being Magadelene. The Holy Grail is interpreted to be the descendent(s) of Christ. The various hermetic organizations (Rosicrucians, Templars, Order of the Golden Dawn - of which the late poet W.B. Yeats a member) have fascinating histories.

By: Mocata

Mocata — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:15:00 -0800

I can feel the dead hand of Frances Yates on my shoulder - very Foucault's Pendulum.

By: ChrisTN

ChrisTN — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:27:18 -0800

Of course, the movie Dogma added its own little wrinkle to the whole "bloodline of Christ" discussion...last scion, and all that. Tosh, perhaps, but fun tosh indeed!

By: Dean_Paxton

Dean_Paxton — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:35:45 -0800

The grail, of grail legend, in one theory was not either, but a cauldron. Medieval lore is littered with cauldrons other large vessels that are referred to as grails. These are intended to have magical properties such as rendering unlimited supplies of food, ressurecting the dead, and empowering potions for spells and such. The first grail legend was written by Chretien de Troyes (1180-1190) that we would associate with our sentiment towards the concept of the holy grail... however, to him Grail was often called Sangreal, which literally means "Holy Grail"... hence, the reference to the sanguine, or blood. In his story, the grail is not a cup, but a large platter or plate.... It is from the french poet Robert de Boron that we get the first description of the grail as a chalice in which Christ took wine at the last supper. Also, in his version... at the crucifixion, Joseph of Arimathea caught the blood of Christ with it. So, there are an awful lot of ideas about what the grail actually was... we do, however, know it to be a creation of one man's mind... it could be argued that he collected the spoken tradition and put it to words that we now possess, but then again... the entire bible is written based on that construct as well, which is faith. Therefore, I don't feel that this is any more myth than the bible, or other tennant of faith. The Templars and other groups entered into the picture much, much later (1250-1310)... therefore have been able to create their own interpretations of this myth.

By: holgate

holgate — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:11:29 -0800

Oh, and the head of Christ is buried in the crypt of Rosslyn Chapel, too. Ahem.

By: solistrato

solistrato — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:13:23 -0800

To me, it's all fascinating. All these theories and imaginings and interpretations. And it's strange to see which ones capture the general imagination. After all, the dogmas about the Virgin Mary were public creations that the Vatican was forced to accept, instead of the usual other way around. But I can read Templar theory any old day of the week. This stuff rocks.

By: rushmc

rushmc — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:01:19 -0800

Meta-storytelling extraordinaire...

By: rodii

rodii — Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:17:09 -0800

Spear, grail, uh, lingam, yoni...