My Crappy Prosecutor
April 3, 2006 2:12 PM Subscribe
Is she made of marzipan?
posted by malaprohibita at 2:26 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by malaprohibita at 2:26 PM on April 3, 2006
Hide your mothers, boys, Rachelle's on the loose.
posted by PurplePorpoise at 2:27 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by PurplePorpoise at 2:27 PM on April 3, 2006
Mmm, old newsfilter is the best filter.
True, one month is a long time. Think of all the Metallica stories that happen in a month.
Here is an update for while you were waiting.
posted by zaebiz at 2:27 PM on April 3, 2006
True, one month is a long time. Think of all the Metallica stories that happen in a month.
Here is an update for while you were waiting.
posted by zaebiz at 2:27 PM on April 3, 2006
It's ok. She's in Alaska. It would take her almost a day to get to DC.
posted by The White Hat at 2:49 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by The White Hat at 2:49 PM on April 3, 2006
I have to say that I suspect the police and prosecutor use these tactics all the time, and the only reason she got any kind of sympathy for them at the trial was because she was a young white female honor student with a good lawyer. A male in the exact same circumstances would probably already be on death row.
posted by Mitrovarr at 2:56 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by Mitrovarr at 2:56 PM on April 3, 2006
Hating your mother isn't a crime but at the very least, creating a false alibi for an admitted murderer must be. The mistake was the prosecution going for first degree.
posted by zaebiz at 3:27 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by zaebiz at 3:27 PM on April 3, 2006
I have to say that I suspect the police and prosecutor use these tactics all the time, and the only reason she got any kind of sympathy for them at the trial was because she was a young white female honor student with a good lawyer. A male in the exact same circumstances would probably already be on death row.
Yup. Although in AK apparently the cops are not supposed to do this to younger people.
posted by delmoi at 3:40 PM on April 3, 2006
Yup. Although in AK apparently the cops are not supposed to do this to younger people.
posted by delmoi at 3:40 PM on April 3, 2006
"... ... not without parental consent anyway."
Which is kind of hard to get when the parent is the murder victim.
This is a CSI episode in the making!
posted by drstein at 3:48 PM on April 3, 2006
Which is kind of hard to get when the parent is the murder victim.
This is a CSI episode in the making!
posted by drstein at 3:48 PM on April 3, 2006
The post is misleading. She is not free by any means yet. She is now merely eligible for lower bail. She may still be retried from what was linked in the story on the word "free".
If the two boyfriends testify against her, and if there are things like computer chat records or similar, this could still be quite a damaging case and a prison sentence for this girl.
Because the remaining evidence, minus Waterman's statements, may still be enough for another grand jury to return another indictment, the judge didn't free Waterman outright. She did, however, reduce bail from $150,000 to $50,000.
posted by Ynoxas at 3:51 PM on April 3, 2006
If the two boyfriends testify against her, and if there are things like computer chat records or similar, this could still be quite a damaging case and a prison sentence for this girl.
Because the remaining evidence, minus Waterman's statements, may still be enough for another grand jury to return another indictment, the judge didn't free Waterman outright. She did, however, reduce bail from $150,000 to $50,000.
posted by Ynoxas at 3:51 PM on April 3, 2006
computer chat records or similar, this could still be quite a damaging case and a prison sentence for this girl
The computer chat records have been examined and revealed nothing incriminating. The strongest evidence was in the confessions which are now inadmissible. The testimony of the two boyfriends who have an incentive to cooperate because of plea agreements are likely to amount to nothing.
She is as good as free on these charges.
posted by zaebiz at 3:55 PM on April 3, 2006
The computer chat records have been examined and revealed nothing incriminating. The strongest evidence was in the confessions which are now inadmissible. The testimony of the two boyfriends who have an incentive to cooperate because of plea agreements are likely to amount to nothing.
She is as good as free on these charges.
posted by zaebiz at 3:55 PM on April 3, 2006
AARRgGghgghllgh.... all the relevant websites and humorous content related to this post are no longer accessible.
This is why the internet sucks.
I demand permanence.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 4:24 PM on April 3, 2006
This is why the internet sucks.
I demand permanence.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 4:24 PM on April 3, 2006
Whether she did it or not, the police have a bad habit of overstepping the bounds of the law. They are the ones who ruined this case. It's their own damn fault.
posted by bim at 5:20 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by bim at 5:20 PM on April 3, 2006
Critical mail exchange -
Arrant : "I'll be so glad when this whole thing with your mom is over. I know it's not like I'm gong to be able to see you right away probably, but at least you will be safe,"
Waterman : "It will happen one day, hopefully not long after vball"
Arrant interprets this as Waterman's signal to kill her mother. But in the next paragraph ...
Waterman : "I talked to (mom) about you and our night that we sat at the ball park and how we decided way back around when school started just to be friends. Hopefully, after volleyball you could come over and just watch a movie,"
More details here.
posted by zaebiz at 5:50 PM on April 3, 2006
Arrant : "I'll be so glad when this whole thing with your mom is over. I know it's not like I'm gong to be able to see you right away probably, but at least you will be safe,"
Waterman : "It will happen one day, hopefully not long after vball"
Arrant interprets this as Waterman's signal to kill her mother. But in the next paragraph ...
Waterman : "I talked to (mom) about you and our night that we sat at the ball park and how we decided way back around when school started just to be friends. Hopefully, after volleyball you could come over and just watch a movie,"
More details here.
posted by zaebiz at 5:50 PM on April 3, 2006
So, are people being arrested and prosecuted on the most fucked up imaginable CSI-style scenario possible nowadays?
chief: "This girl has been raped. Arrest her father!".
lou: "But, chief, her father beat the attacker until he ran away."
chief: "They must have been in cahoots! Arrest the girl, too! And the grandparents! And I don't like the looks of that dog... his eyes are shifty."
posted by stavrogin at 6:28 PM on April 3, 2006
chief: "This girl has been raped. Arrest her father!".
lou: "But, chief, her father beat the attacker until he ran away."
chief: "They must have been in cahoots! Arrest the girl, too! And the grandparents! And I don't like the looks of that dog... his eyes are shifty."
posted by stavrogin at 6:28 PM on April 3, 2006
I think it may be more like "I don't really want you to kill her but you know.... sex with you was soooooo good and I think about being with you aaaaaall the time and it's suuuuch a shame she won't let me be with you. And here are a few pornographic pictures of me in case you don't believe me. Oh ... but if you do do it , which I don't want you to really, I will create a false alibi for you , k?"
Is it enough without a confession? Almost certainly not.
posted by zaebiz at 6:39 PM on April 3, 2006
Is it enough without a confession? Almost certainly not.
posted by zaebiz at 6:39 PM on April 3, 2006
So, are people being arrested and prosecuted on the most fucked up imaginable CSI-style scenario possible nowadays?
Perhaps. We've got quite a who-dunnit going on in the Albany, NY area -- the Porco case. It's definitely a candidate for one of the Law & Order shows at some point.
Here's a nice article that's only the tip of the iceberg as far as this twisted saga goes. And once again, the police may have gotten a little footloose and fancyfree with the law. Though, the Porco kid has some explaining to do too. And he's got one of the top criminal defense lawyers in the area. It should be interesting.
posted by bim at 7:17 PM on April 3, 2006
Perhaps. We've got quite a who-dunnit going on in the Albany, NY area -- the Porco case. It's definitely a candidate for one of the Law & Order shows at some point.
Here's a nice article that's only the tip of the iceberg as far as this twisted saga goes. And once again, the police may have gotten a little footloose and fancyfree with the law. Though, the Porco kid has some explaining to do too. And he's got one of the top criminal defense lawyers in the area. It should be interesting.
posted by bim at 7:17 PM on April 3, 2006
My friend Jed was good friends with this girl (He's from southeastern alaska) and thay've been sending letters back and forth between her in jail, and him here at school.
Apparantly, the girl was not on good terms with her mother, what with her dating these douchebags. She would complain about her mom (as all teenage girls are wont to do) and the boys took this as a signal that they should kill her mom.
Being an angsty teen + keeping bad company ≠ 25 years to Life
posted by blasdelf at 10:37 PM on April 3, 2006
Apparantly, the girl was not on good terms with her mother, what with her dating these douchebags. She would complain about her mom (as all teenage girls are wont to do) and the boys took this as a signal that they should kill her mom.
Being an angsty teen + keeping bad company ≠ 25 years to Life
posted by blasdelf at 10:37 PM on April 3, 2006
"will no one rid me of this troublesome mother? Oh.. wait, that's not what I meant!"
posted by concreteforest at 9:54 AM on April 4, 2006
posted by concreteforest at 9:54 AM on April 4, 2006
"... ... not without parental consent anyway."
Which is kind of hard to get when the parent is the murder victim. - drstein
There's two parents here. Only one is dead.
posted by raedyn at 12:15 PM on April 4, 2006
Which is kind of hard to get when the parent is the murder victim. - drstein
There's two parents here. Only one is dead.
posted by raedyn at 12:15 PM on April 4, 2006
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