Onan the vegetarian
April 3, 2006 6:58 PM Subscribe
Onan The Vegetarian: The story of a raw-food guru turned "subway perv."
This reinforces my knee-jerk distaste for "raw food gurus" further. Huzzah.
posted by Pontius Pilate at 7:24 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by Pontius Pilate at 7:24 PM on April 3, 2006
Been waiting for the followup on this one. Last I heard he was leaving the arraignment and sneered "Its a misdemeanor" at the press.
posted by StickyCarpet at 7:26 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by StickyCarpet at 7:26 PM on April 3, 2006
" (he claims he was already mid-masturbation when she stepped onto the train) and then humiliated him by posting his picture on the Web."
posted by stirfry at 7:37 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by stirfry at 7:37 PM on April 3, 2006
Worst. Defense. Ever.
posted by Pontius Pilate at 7:38 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by Pontius Pilate at 7:38 PM on April 3, 2006
Hoyt believes that if he and Nguyen had only met under different circumstances, she might really like him. “You know, she’d go, ‘That guy’s pretty cool. He’s got this restaurant, and he’s fun,’ ” Hoyt says. “She’d probably want to go out with me.”
Leaves 'em laughing, too. What an ace!
posted by Wolof at 7:54 PM on April 3, 2006
Leaves 'em laughing, too. What an ace!
posted by Wolof at 7:54 PM on April 3, 2006
I was really expecting that to have something to do with Subway the restaurant.
posted by Orrorin at 7:56 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by Orrorin at 7:56 PM on April 3, 2006
This man has an ego the size of Long Island, and deserves to be taken down several dozen notches. What a tool.
posted by aramaic at 8:27 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by aramaic at 8:27 PM on April 3, 2006
Right on Thao Nguyen for not tolerating this skeevy abuse. I'm glad she took legal action and blasted this sick perv. Women around the planet are no longer tolerating this kind of ugly bs. ugh.
posted by nickyskye at 8:37 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by nickyskye at 8:37 PM on April 3, 2006
See, when I read "subway perv" I thought he'd been caught eating at Subway. That would have been an even more interesting story. I mean, pervs, on the NYC subway, say it ain't so! (Not that I don't think the NYC subway cops shouldn't be smacking them down, which they should.)
posted by smallerdemon at 8:47 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by smallerdemon at 8:47 PM on April 3, 2006
That's remarkable that two people have already indicated that they thought the headline referred to Subway the restaurant.
posted by rxrfrx at 8:56 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by rxrfrx at 8:56 PM on April 3, 2006
I do think it's an interesting story, partly because of the blatant hypocrisy of this idiot, who apes some desirable or publicly approved attitude with his new agey foodism and pseudo-sensitivity but whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his public statements.
posted by nickyskye at 9:05 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by nickyskye at 9:05 PM on April 3, 2006
Jesus Christ that guy is annoying. The least obnoxious thing about him is the public exposure. Or maybe my enzymes are misaligned, throwing off my comprehension aura.
posted by Falconetti at 9:08 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by Falconetti at 9:08 PM on April 3, 2006
Makes me wonder who the last guy I saw jerking it in the subway was.
Guess I need a camera phone.
posted by anjamu at 9:35 PM on April 3, 2006
Guess I need a camera phone.
posted by anjamu at 9:35 PM on April 3, 2006
I'm still trying to figure out why folks keep eating at his restaurant. God knows what's going on in the kitchen.
posted by bim at 9:44 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by bim at 9:44 PM on April 3, 2006
Y'know what makes your penis wither up and fall off? Hempseed hamburgers. Especially the ones at Quintessence.
posted by loquacious at 10:09 PM on April 3, 2006
posted by loquacious at 10:09 PM on April 3, 2006
This article would have been much more credible if it didn't insist on continually presenting his deluded fantasies about himself:
“I’m an incredibly bright person, but I was always put down and put aside,”
"I could have been Nine Inch Nails or Linkin Park.”
“I’ve raced motorcycles, raced bicycles, skied competitively."
and, of course, the inevitable weak justifications for his flashing:
“I’ve met women who enjoy it."
“She’d probably want to go out with me.”
and blaming the victim:
In his account, the perpetrator is Nguyen, who misread his intentions
it's hard to believe that this pathetic piece of apologia isn't labelled as an advertisement for Dan Hoyt. Thanks for the link, rxrfrx.
posted by nml at 10:50 PM on April 3, 2006
“I’m an incredibly bright person, but I was always put down and put aside,”
"I could have been Nine Inch Nails or Linkin Park.”
“I’ve raced motorcycles, raced bicycles, skied competitively."
and, of course, the inevitable weak justifications for his flashing:
“I’ve met women who enjoy it."
“She’d probably want to go out with me.”
and blaming the victim:
In his account, the perpetrator is Nguyen, who misread his intentions
it's hard to believe that this pathetic piece of apologia isn't labelled as an advertisement for Dan Hoyt. Thanks for the link, rxrfrx.
posted by nml at 10:50 PM on April 3, 2006
'Just look at that meat,' he says, ... 'It's really, really soft and fleshy.'
posted by moonbiter at 11:37 PM on April 3, 2006
I didn't read this as any sort of an advertisement.
First, it seemed like some of his more innoccuous comments were used just to make him seem creepy out of context(creepier, that is).
Maybe I'm just projecting my own inner creepiness when I read lines like:
“Just look at that meat,” he says, poking around with a knife. “It’s really, really soft and fleshy.”
Or maybe that unnecessary bit about him cooking as they spoke was just for word count, or flavor. I thought there were more examples but I don't feel like reading through it again.
Also, I don't think it's possible to read this as it's written and not think this guy's a terrible asshole.
posted by elr at 3:19 AM on April 4, 2006
First, it seemed like some of his more innoccuous comments were used just to make him seem creepy out of context(creepier, that is).
Maybe I'm just projecting my own inner creepiness when I read lines like:
“Just look at that meat,” he says, poking around with a knife. “It’s really, really soft and fleshy.”
Or maybe that unnecessary bit about him cooking as they spoke was just for word count, or flavor. I thought there were more examples but I don't feel like reading through it again.
Also, I don't think it's possible to read this as it's written and not think this guy's a terrible asshole.
posted by elr at 3:19 AM on April 4, 2006
I don’t think he was eating totally raw.
posted by I Love Tacos at 3:24 AM on April 4, 2006
posted by I Love Tacos at 3:24 AM on April 4, 2006
That guy is one of the more accomplished disconected-from-reality types I've run across.
posted by Dagobert at 3:30 AM on April 4, 2006
posted by Dagobert at 3:30 AM on April 4, 2006
> I was really expecting that to have something to do with Subway the restaurant.
No footlong -- you know...
posted by NewBornHippy at 3:36 AM on April 4, 2006
No footlong -- you know...
posted by NewBornHippy at 3:36 AM on April 4, 2006
Y'know what makes your penis wither up and fall off? Hempseed hamburgers. Especially the ones at Quintessence.
LOL. The scariest part of this is that I might have liked his restaurant -- if it weren't for all this.
Though his bio seems to have some unfortunate word choice:
It was during this time that he met Tolentin Chen whose own search for a more simple and healthy lifestyle inspired Dan to experiment with raw food himself.
...and he's still weraing that same goofy grin.
posted by bim at 4:50 AM on April 4, 2006
LOL. The scariest part of this is that I might have liked his restaurant -- if it weren't for all this.
Though his bio seems to have some unfortunate word choice:
It was during this time that he met Tolentin Chen whose own search for a more simple and healthy lifestyle inspired Dan to experiment with raw food himself.
...and he's still weraing that same goofy grin.
posted by bim at 4:50 AM on April 4, 2006
Great on the girl getting pictures of the guy jacking it, but the other pages (linked in the article and by nickyskye) really just come across is sad. The guys mostly seem like losers, sure, but so do the girls, for whining about petty things and "power dynamics" and getting ineffectual REVENGE ON TEH INTARNETS.
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 5:05 AM on April 4, 2006
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 5:05 AM on April 4, 2006
I find it amusing when the so-called 'liberals' of Metafilter decide to tar, feather, and burn at the stake, some 'pervert'. After all, it's clear, 'perverts' are fair game.
The guy hurt no one in any real sense, unless someone slipped in his cum on the damn train. It's gross, and undesirable, even unsanitary. Your hyperbole seems to place him in the same rank as Jeffery Dahlmer.
Some guy who has made a name for himself has a thing for exposure. Damn, that really sucks for him. For all his fame and glory (however short lived it may be (Who remembers Gary Null [Fertile Earth], besides me?), he's still wacking off for strange women on the R train.
The post sucks. One link. Why not something about the sexual need for exposure? Oh, I'm sorry. this is just a metafilter circle-jerk of a witch burning. Have fun.
posted by Goofyy at 7:50 AM on April 4, 2006
The guy hurt no one in any real sense, unless someone slipped in his cum on the damn train. It's gross, and undesirable, even unsanitary. Your hyperbole seems to place him in the same rank as Jeffery Dahlmer.
Some guy who has made a name for himself has a thing for exposure. Damn, that really sucks for him. For all his fame and glory (however short lived it may be (Who remembers Gary Null [Fertile Earth], besides me?), he's still wacking off for strange women on the R train.
The post sucks. One link. Why not something about the sexual need for exposure? Oh, I'm sorry. this is just a metafilter circle-jerk of a witch burning. Have fun.
posted by Goofyy at 7:50 AM on April 4, 2006
Without skiing or bike racing as an outlet, he took to exposing himself in public. He is very matter-of-fact about it. “It’s the possibility of being caught or discovered, the thrill of doing something crazy,” Hoyt says...
In his account, the perpetrator is Nguyen, who misread his intentions (he claims he was already mid-masturbation when she stepped onto the train) and then humiliated him by posting his picture on the Web.
If you're going to whine and moan when you actually get caught, you're not really in it for the risk in the first place. Call me crazy, but I think Hoyt is maybe not being entirely honest with himself.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 7:56 AM on April 4, 2006
In his account, the perpetrator is Nguyen, who misread his intentions (he claims he was already mid-masturbation when she stepped onto the train) and then humiliated him by posting his picture on the Web.
If you're going to whine and moan when you actually get caught, you're not really in it for the risk in the first place. Call me crazy, but I think Hoyt is maybe not being entirely honest with himself.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 7:56 AM on April 4, 2006
The post sucks. One link. Why not something about the sexual need for exposure?
I think it's one interesting article that doesn't need any supporting links. There's no obligation on the poster to make the post be about the larger issues of exhibition. Most multi-link "essay posts" are terribly forced and often only have one interesting link to begin with, in my opinion.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 8:00 AM on April 4, 2006
I think it's one interesting article that doesn't need any supporting links. There's no obligation on the poster to make the post be about the larger issues of exhibition. Most multi-link "essay posts" are terribly forced and often only have one interesting link to begin with, in my opinion.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 8:00 AM on April 4, 2006
Hoyt became fascinated with Jubb and his belief in breatharianism, the idea that it’s possible to live on nothing at all. From 1995 until October 2004, Jubb says, he subsisted almost entirely on one cup of herbal tea (with honey) per day. The rest of his nutritional needs were produced by “intestinal flora and friendly yeast”—plus his own urine, which he drinks two or three times a day. “It tastes a bit like seawater,” Jubb says of his drink, which he pronounces “you-Rhine,” like the river. “It can be a little foreign, but eventually it gets to the point where it’s quite enjoyable.”
How did you all miss this?
posted by ninjew at 9:00 AM on April 4, 2006
How did you all miss this?
posted by ninjew at 9:00 AM on April 4, 2006
“Even so, I wouldn’t imagine somebody throwing it up on the Internet for millions of people and destroying your life like that,” he says. “It’s one thing to take it to the police. But on the Internet, I read a lot of people saying, ‘That was not too cool of her. That was really screwed up.’ ”
Also, what planet is he from/on? When you take 'it' out in public, it's fair game, shitheap.
posted by ninjew at 9:08 AM on April 4, 2006
Also, what planet is he from/on? When you take 'it' out in public, it's fair game, shitheap.
posted by ninjew at 9:08 AM on April 4, 2006
Clearly this is an indictment of raw-food eaters and vegetarians in general.
posted by Adam_S at 9:27 AM on April 4, 2006
posted by Adam_S at 9:27 AM on April 4, 2006
Yeah, I was gonna make a "D. Hoyt is a perv" joke in the post, but ultimately decided against it.
posted by rxrfrx at 9:35 AM on April 4, 2006
posted by rxrfrx at 9:35 AM on April 4, 2006
Dude, if there's low-hanging fruit, you've got to pluck it. Any raw-food guru will tell you that.
posted by COBRA! at 9:39 AM on April 4, 2006
posted by COBRA! at 9:39 AM on April 4, 2006
The guy hurt no one in any real sense, unless someone slipped in his cum on the damn train.
Spanking it while leering at a lone woman trapped on a subway train is an aggressive move with a clearly implied threat of sexual violence. Would it be okay if I waved a handgun in your face but didn't pull the trigger? Hey, nobody got hurt.
posted by nev at 9:54 AM on April 4, 2006
Spanking it while leering at a lone woman trapped on a subway train is an aggressive move with a clearly implied threat of sexual violence. Would it be okay if I waved a handgun in your face but didn't pull the trigger? Hey, nobody got hurt.
posted by nev at 9:54 AM on April 4, 2006
Clearly this is an indictment of raw-food eaters and vegetarians in general.
Naw, see, that's just the thing: We vegetarians and vegans, we're cool as cucumbers. It's those raw-foodists that are the crazy ones. Not cook food? How much must that mess you up, you know, psychologically, in the head? I mean, really. Come on.
posted by soyjoy at 10:11 AM on April 4, 2006
Naw, see, that's just the thing: We vegetarians and vegans, we're cool as cucumbers. It's those raw-foodists that are the crazy ones. Not cook food? How much must that mess you up, you know, psychologically, in the head? I mean, really. Come on.
posted by soyjoy at 10:11 AM on April 4, 2006
MedicineNet says:
a "flasher," feels a need to surprise, shock or impress his victims. The condition usually is limited to the exposure, with no other harmful advances made, although "indecent exposure" is illegal. Actual sexual contact with the victim is rare.
Having said that, "usually" and "rare" don't mean nonexistent. I used to think I would just laugh if some guy flashed me, but then it actually happened to me in the library stacks (it happens a lot in libraries, the security guy told me later). I suppose if I'd been with some girlfriends we would have laughed (not so vulnerable emotionally or physically, in a crowd), but there were few other people around. How was I supposed to know if this guy was or wasn't one of the "rare" ones who does escalate his flashing into violence?
So yeah, it's not harmless. There's no parallel for hetero men because most aren't at risk for sexual violence from women, or even gay men. Though if a gay man flashed his penis at a hetero man in an isolated public space, I imagine quite a few heteros would feel very threatened.
After I got flashed, I found a site (can't find it now, sorry) by a woman who'd started to yell at any guy who flashed her, "DON'T RUB YOUR PENIS AT ME, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ILLEGAL, PUT YOUR PENIS BACK IN YOUR PANTS" etc., while walking towards him and pointing. The flashers all skedaddled. She recommended it highly.
(I loved eating at this guy's restaurants when I visited NYC 3 years ago...weird to read this article!)
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 10:58 AM on April 4, 2006
a "flasher," feels a need to surprise, shock or impress his victims. The condition usually is limited to the exposure, with no other harmful advances made, although "indecent exposure" is illegal. Actual sexual contact with the victim is rare.
Having said that, "usually" and "rare" don't mean nonexistent. I used to think I would just laugh if some guy flashed me, but then it actually happened to me in the library stacks (it happens a lot in libraries, the security guy told me later). I suppose if I'd been with some girlfriends we would have laughed (not so vulnerable emotionally or physically, in a crowd), but there were few other people around. How was I supposed to know if this guy was or wasn't one of the "rare" ones who does escalate his flashing into violence?
So yeah, it's not harmless. There's no parallel for hetero men because most aren't at risk for sexual violence from women, or even gay men. Though if a gay man flashed his penis at a hetero man in an isolated public space, I imagine quite a few heteros would feel very threatened.
After I got flashed, I found a site (can't find it now, sorry) by a woman who'd started to yell at any guy who flashed her, "DON'T RUB YOUR PENIS AT ME, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ILLEGAL, PUT YOUR PENIS BACK IN YOUR PANTS" etc., while walking towards him and pointing. The flashers all skedaddled. She recommended it highly.
(I loved eating at this guy's restaurants when I visited NYC 3 years ago...weird to read this article!)
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 10:58 AM on April 4, 2006
he claims he was already mid-masturbation when she stepped onto the train
C'mon, guys. He was already masturbating when she got on the train! She knew what she was getting into.
posted by graventy at 3:40 PM on April 4, 2006
C'mon, guys. He was already masturbating when she got on the train! She knew what she was getting into.
posted by graventy at 3:40 PM on April 4, 2006
I find it amusing when the so-called 'liberals' of Metafilter decide to tar, feather, and burn at the stake, some 'pervert'.
This has nothing to do with liberalism. He's not being tarred and feathered for public exposure, he's being tarred and feathered because he exhibits no sense of shame or regret about what he's done.
"In his account, the perpetrator is Nguyen, who misread his intentions ..."
You know, if someone took a big steaming dump in front of me on the subway, I might not feel threatened, but I doubt I'd think it was a positive thing.
posted by me & my monkey at 4:57 PM on April 4, 2006
This has nothing to do with liberalism. He's not being tarred and feathered for public exposure, he's being tarred and feathered because he exhibits no sense of shame or regret about what he's done.
"In his account, the perpetrator is Nguyen, who misread his intentions ..."
You know, if someone took a big steaming dump in front of me on the subway, I might not feel threatened, but I doubt I'd think it was a positive thing.
posted by me & my monkey at 4:57 PM on April 4, 2006
C'mon, guys. He was already masturbating when she got on the train! She knew what she was getting into.
I hope you're not serious. Everybody knows that you're not supposed to move between subway cars while the train is moving. ;)
You must be from out of town!
I have no sympathy for this dude whatsoever. His antics would be perceived as threatening by any woman. Who knows what he's got in mind. I applaud her presence of mind to get his picture and plaster it all over the internet. If his feelings are hurt, well he'll just have to get over it.
What a dick.
posted by bim at 5:25 PM on April 4, 2006
I hope you're not serious. Everybody knows that you're not supposed to move between subway cars while the train is moving. ;)
You must be from out of town!
I have no sympathy for this dude whatsoever. His antics would be perceived as threatening by any woman. Who knows what he's got in mind. I applaud her presence of mind to get his picture and plaster it all over the internet. If his feelings are hurt, well he'll just have to get over it.
What a dick.
posted by bim at 5:25 PM on April 4, 2006
After I got flashed, I found a site (can't find it now, sorry) by a woman who'd started to yell at any guy who flashed her, "DON'T RUB YOUR PENIS AT ME, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ILLEGAL, PUT YOUR PENIS BACK IN YOUR PANTS" etc., while walking towards him and pointing. The flashers all skedaddled. She recommended it highly.
My mom always used to tell me to do that. Point and yell "THIS MAN IS HARASSING/GROPING ME!" and so on and so forth.
posted by anjamu at 12:13 AM on April 5, 2006
My mom always used to tell me to do that. Point and yell "THIS MAN IS HARASSING/GROPING ME!" and so on and so forth.
posted by anjamu at 12:13 AM on April 5, 2006
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