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Crashing the Gate
April 10, 2006 10:30 AM   Subscribe

Bill McKibben reviews Armstrong and Moulitsas's book Crashing the Gate in the New York Review of Books. More importantly, Kos gets his own David Levine caricature.
posted by russilwvong (18 comments total)

 
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Kos and the Daily Kos Community are still 0 for 17 when endorsing or raising money for a candidate.
posted by TetrisKid at 11:07 AM on April 10, 2006


Kos and the Daily Kos Community are still 0 for 17 when endorsing or raising money for a candidate.

Kos also raised money for Stephanie Herseth and Barack Obama.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 11:12 AM on April 10, 2006


Good point, my bad. I had forgotten about the Obama work, not familar with Herseth though. Just interested in results.
posted by TetrisKid at 11:16 AM on April 10, 2006


tetriskid, Markos has been pretty clear that he's not interested in backing candidates who were probably going to win anyway. There's already an establishment political machine to throw money at sure things. But having a 50 state strategy means attacking teh republicans everywhere, and making them work for every seat, and not ignoring any potential voters or candidates.
posted by Space Coyote at 11:20 AM on April 10, 2006


I think the "Kos' guys lost" argument is dumb, anyway. He endorsed over a dozen longshots, many of whom came within a few points of victory in states Bush carried by 20-point margins. Yes, they didn't pull victories, but the results were notable and the alternative would have been near-meaningless blue chip endorsements.

If I predicted Orrin Hatch and Ted Kennedy would win their respective elections, I could brag a 100% rate as well. It wouldn't really mean anything.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 11:25 AM on April 10, 2006


I don't know what's going on here, but I approve.
posted by boo_radley at 11:41 AM on April 10, 2006


not familar with Herseth though

She's South Dakota's single House member. She won the seat in a special election in 2003, I think (I was part of the small army of canvassers that the DCCC flew and bused out there for the election). She was part of a string of three congressional special elections the Dems won before the presidential election, and was mistakenly viewed as a harbringer of things to come. The most hilarious part, for me, was when her opponent delcared, the day before the election, that if he lost by fewer than 5 points, he'd personally consider that a victory. More proof that politics is all about expectations management.
posted by gsteff at 12:13 PM on April 10, 2006


Why is kos riding an elephant with a donkey's face in the caricature?
posted by afu at 12:29 PM on April 10, 2006 [1 favorite]


"Jerome and Kos argue for a variety of different approaches, including sophisticated database technology that would enable Democrats to approach, for example, registered Republicans whose families may be suffering from Parkinson's disease and would be open to an appeal to support stem cell research."

Is it just me or is that a tad exploitative? "I'm sorry for your progressive and dehabilitating disease. Vote Democrat." At the very least it would require a degree of tact that Kos himself has repeatedly demonstrated he does not have.
posted by Heminator at 12:46 PM on April 10, 2006


Is it just me or is that a tad exploitative? "I'm sorry for your progressive and dehabilitating disease. Vote Democrat."

Well, if that's what they would actually say, yeah, it would be. But they don't, so that's kind of a strawman.

Caveat: I work at a non-profiit political org and part of my job is database management and mailing lists. That said, I'm unfazed by any idea of databases of pertinent information, for both parties. It's creepy, but that's how elections work on a national level. There are over a hundred million potential voters and it's physically and financially impossible to send a postcard to every single one of them. I would understand having a list of people who were frequent churchgoers, or gun owners, or members of 4-H, or people on Medicare, and so forth. I've never recieved a mailing from the NRA asking me to vote to support gun rights- odds are because I've never been a member nor purchased a firearm and therefore never on a list of people that gun rights advocates would want to target as a potential supporter. On the other hand, I sent a donation to NARAL a few years ago and several other women's groups send me information. Maybe it's a waste, but certainly less of a waste than picking people at random.

If stem-cell research is a platform issue, of course there's a necessity to target people of whom the issue is a concern. It's either that or more ads on television requiring more influence from large donors needlessly wasted to hit only a percentage of eyeballs.

The issue to me isn't targeting, it's if the politiking is sleazy or not. "Democrats support stem-cell research funding" is a tad different than "John Kerry will ban the bible," don't you agree?
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 1:08 PM on April 10, 2006


Kos is caricatured as riding a donkey/elephant because part of the argument in Crashing the Gates is that the Democratic party can learn from the Republican party. I guess the artist like the idea of the elepha-donk / donk-aphant -- see, even the words are fun!
posted by crepeMyrtle at 1:15 PM on April 10, 2006


elapha-donk sounds like a word that if you put in an e-mail would send it to my spam filter.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 1:24 PM on April 10, 2006


How are the sales doing for this book?
posted by dios at 1:29 PM on April 10, 2006


Amazon has it at #296.
posted by trey at 1:34 PM on April 10, 2006


Is it just me or is that a tad exploitative? "I'm sorry for your progressive and dehabilitating disease. Vote Democrat."

How about "I'm sorry for your progressive and debilitating disease. Stop voting against your own best interest, idiot."

At the very least it would require a degree of tact that Kos himself has repeatedly demonstrated he does not have.

If you're referring to his comment about the mercenaries in Falujah, I agree with Kos 100%. Many US service people and innocent Iraqis are now dead thanks to those four private contractors who should never have been there. Screw them.
posted by Space Coyote at 2:54 PM on April 10, 2006


Bill McKibben seems an unlikely person to review this book.

Back in 2003 or so, he was in a 3-way discussion printed ( I think ) in The Atlantic. McKibben asked what it would take to wake Americans up to Global Warming : a force 4 or 5 hurricane strike on New Orleans ?

Well, I'm perhaps being harsh - I think Americans are slowly waking [ with special emphasis on that word, "slowly" ] .
posted by troutfishing at 3:26 PM on April 10, 2006


Oh - and, I have to wonder :

Is McKibben, in this context, a "gatekeeper" ?

Heh heh.
posted by troutfishing at 3:27 PM on April 10, 2006


I don't know what's going on here, but I approve.
posted by boo_radley


It feels like a Jonathan Edwards allusion to me.

I like the elapha-donk ride...that kind'a reminds me Hannibal.
posted by taosbat at 4:17 PM on April 10, 2006


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