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Hormone rock "Rock with the cock taken out and it's what a lot of women want to listen to right now"
posted by johnny7 (62 comments total)

 
"...They moan, cry, bitch, go shopping; they’re anxious, neurotic, put-upon, argumentative, manipulative, analytical and brooding. " I had no idea this woman knew my partner so well...
posted by terrymiles at 12:41 AM on April 11, 2006


I always thought that stuff was called "vagina rock". Calling it "Hormone rock" doesn't make much sense, given that both men and women have hormones.
posted by delmoi at 12:46 AM on April 11, 2006


Yeah, but I don't think you can say that on the radio, delmoi.
posted by Malor at 12:51 AM on April 11, 2006


Googling for "hormone rock" yields only 979 results, many of which are about the jpop song "Maximum The Hormone" by "Rock Bankuruwase". Other then that the highest search result is... the very same article (with a slightly different URL)

Googling for "vagina rock" gets you some more specific results, including this urban dictionary entry.

I think this just an effort by some timesonline author to start a new meme.

Yeah, but I don't think you can say that on the radio, delmoi.

Well, I bet you could get away with it, although it does sound rather impolite. Still, as both men and women have hormones the term hormone rock is, IMO, quite stupid.
posted by delmoi at 12:59 AM on April 11, 2006


If you can say Butt Rock, why can't you say Vagina Rock? It's a more scientific term than butt.

I like the first part, though: "Rock with the cock taken out." Is that somehow different from Rock Out with your Cock Out?
posted by Clamwacker at 1:03 AM on April 11, 2006


I've never seen so many stereotypes strung together into one article. Ugh.

"Women who play rock’n’roll are often sexy and aggressive, but, ultimately, are not representative of their sex in general."

Excuse me while I go throw up.
posted by mayfly wake at 1:11 AM on April 11, 2006


OTOH vomiting is very rock
posted by dydecker at 1:20 AM on April 11, 2006


Rock Out with your Cock Out

*Derek Smalls going through metal detector at airport.*
posted by three blind mice at 1:23 AM on April 11, 2006


This appears to be an advert for Beth Orton and Rachael Yamagata.

Clearly this is a self post, Beth Orton is johhny7's stage name.
posted by public at 1:36 AM on April 11, 2006


Rock’n’roll is the musical embodiment of maleness. It’s one of the reasons women get penis envy

"Moms, don't let your girls grow up listening to rock n' roll! They'll want penises!"

Yup. That's it exactly. Is that why I always get the urge to "adjust" myself when listening to the radio? I thought maybe my undies were just too tight.
posted by Windigo at 1:37 AM on April 11, 2006


Rock n Roll is the new Mills and Boon.

KT Tunstall is the new Barbara Cartland.
posted by sgt.serenity at 1:42 AM on April 11, 2006


But you can be as rude as you like about them and their wholemeal tales of everyday feminine angst, because these ladies ain’t going away.

I always feel a bit sorry for these feature writers who have spent hours looking for a tenuous musical trend, cobbled some article together at 4am, bleary-eyed, and then two days later they see what they wrote in print, and just have a little internal weep.
posted by creeky at 1:46 AM on April 11, 2006


Feh. I thought we went through this already, ten years ago. And again five years ago. Probably 15 years before too.

The article is likely pointing to the market segment of 30-something plus women. My female cohorts tend to openly mock this sort of 90's-esque empowerment-reclaiming-ourselves-our-bodies feminism-driven identity (at least the language of it).

There. I did it -- the requisite fashionable-ness -based poo-pooing of an article claiming something to be the Next Big Thing.
posted by Extopalopaketle at 1:50 AM on April 11, 2006


I don't know, "vagina rock" sounds kind of clinical to me. How about "rock'n'hole" instead?
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:53 AM on April 11, 2006


I often wonder whether Dido chose that as a name because of it's similarity to Dildo. A subliminal marketing device for the hormone rock audience?

If there were a hormone-rock pyramid, then Beth Orton and Martha Wainwright would be at the top: clever, uncompromising, subversive poets who are essentially punk in ways that Vicious and Rotten were never clever enough to articulate.


See, this is precisely why there are so few great women rockers. Because so very many of them just don't get the point. And consequently they suck.

Better off sticking to blues, R&B, folk and other genres in which they do do well.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 1:53 AM on April 11, 2006


I liked this fish wrap better when it had catchy titles like: "A Lilith Affair" and "Move Over Boys, The Girls Are Taking Over!!!".
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 1:57 AM on April 11, 2006


creeky -- that's probably the most reasonable thing I've read in a while. I can be a snob for the sake of being snobby jerk sometimes. There's often a reason for mediocrity beyond the mediocrity itself.
posted by Extopalopaketle at 1:57 AM on April 11, 2006


See, this is precisely why there are so few great women rockers. Because so very many of them just don't get the point. And consequently they suck.

*runs for cover*
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:58 AM on April 11, 2006


What creeky said, except I don't feel sorry for them.
posted by fleacircus at 2:04 AM on April 11, 2006


In NME UK, they're now referring to it as Frock & Roll...

Oh dear.
posted by the_epicurean at 2:35 AM on April 11, 2006


Rock'n'Hole. I like it. The only problem is when gay men latch onto the genre and it becomes a verb.
posted by Clamwacker at 2:38 AM on April 11, 2006


Sexist article, IMHO.

Music is music, you like an artist or you don't, defining it in these terms, in this manner, was a weak attempt to fill space in a publication...no real information.

And...I agree, the term is meaningless.

meh...
posted by HuronBob at 2:40 AM on April 11, 2006


Rock n Roll is the new Mills and Boon.
KT Tunstall is the new Barbara Cartland.


"X is the new Y" is the new "I have no idea what's going on"
posted by nightchrome at 2:47 AM on April 11, 2006


Yes ... sexist article.

I have always called it flacid rock


;-]
posted by Surfurrus at 3:02 AM on April 11, 2006


*runs for cover*

But the quote proves my point. Nobody would look to Sid Vicious if they wanted intelligent punk. But Lydon pretty well defined a whole genre, and his subsequent career shows him to have been one of the most intelligent thinkers from that era.

What male rock and roll journalist would ever make such a fundamental mistake?
posted by PeterMcDermott at 3:44 AM on April 11, 2006


I have always called it flacid rock

Norah Jones described her music as "soft-cock rock" in a Rolling Stone piece about two months before her album became a megahit. I think that might be the word people are looking for.

That said, I heard nothing at all remniscent of yellow rubber gloves in either the EP or Happenstance versions of "Worn Me Down." Or, for that matter, the Live at the World Cafe version. The author might like writing about this genre of music, but doesn't get it.
posted by graymouser at 3:51 AM on April 11, 2006


There's cock in rock music?

...

Does that mean listening to it makes me gay?
posted by Target Practice at 3:59 AM on April 11, 2006


What a load of shit.

Smell the glove!
posted by slimepuppy at 4:09 AM on April 11, 2006



I often wonder whether Dido chose that as a name because of it's similarity to Dildo. A subliminal marketing device for the hormone rock audience?


Do you really often wonder this, but are just too inhibited to check it out? Or did you just want to write the word dildo for the snicker factor? Because it wouldn't take much wattage to find out that Dido was the name that the Phoenician princess Elishat was commonly known as after she led the founding of the walled city of Carthage. It's in the Aeneid.

If genre "y" can be called "cock rock" why then cannot genre "x" be called "clit rock"?

The article sucks.out.loud. Patti Smith is to Courtney Love as Bob Dylan is to John Mellencamp. Does the writer equate Smith to Love because Smith is uncompromising and difficult to categorize, or is the writer only relying on 30 year old apocrypha? OK, I'll let it go now, but I agree with the other posters who feel that the "buy-in" that the writer advocates has to happen at a more organic, visceral level than some wished-for solidarity that just doens't carry water, so to speak.
posted by beelzbubba at 4:42 AM on April 11, 2006


Every time I read rock criticism, it makes me even gladder I listen to Perez Prado and Willie Bobo.
posted by Astro Zombie at 4:43 AM on April 11, 2006


I never realized that they were all part of the same "genre" targetting the (more or less) same "demographic" (i.e. hormonal girls).

I always thought they just sucked.
posted by jaded at 5:30 AM on April 11, 2006


The only "rock" that matters to record companies is one with a dollar sign attached to it.

Hormones, cocks, vaginas or whatever are irrelevant. Everybody has got their own preferences.

If the sistas are selling those CD's, more power to them. You go girls. The ladies are making some damn fine music. Now excuse me while I go do some downloading...

ps. A lot of women are looking for a "sensitive new age man." Sounds like Chris Martin has realized this. Hop on the bandwagon, boys, if you're smart :>
posted by bim at 6:05 AM on April 11, 2006


Your favorite genitalia-based form of music sucks.
posted by fungible at 6:15 AM on April 11, 2006


Paging jonmc!
Rock music thread here.
Where has he been lately?
posted by nofundy at 6:17 AM on April 11, 2006


Oh...and support indie music.
posted by bim at 6:24 AM on April 11, 2006


Eh. What I think the women this guy talks about - and some men as well - are really into is rock and roll that ISN'T all about tattoos and bitches and hos and aggression, aggression, aggression.

Aggression's always been a part of it, but the Stones circa '69/Sympathy for the Devil would be laughed as as "wimpy" today: Too much thinking, not enough power chords. I hate that shit.

/old man
posted by kgasmart at 7:04 AM on April 11, 2006


Let’s be honest: rock’n’roll is like the fire brigade, still a male preserve. What women have instead is hormone rock — one clever girl, an acoustic guitar and not too much banging and crashing.

Excuse me, but Shirley Manson, Karen O, Chrissie Hynde, Blondie, Sleater-Kinney, Amanda Palmer, Brodie Armstrong, Gwen Stefani, Cibo Matto, Meg White, Siouxsie Sioux, and Kim Deal want a word.

*sings* Somebody didn't do their reseaaarch.... I hate this kind of stuff. Wake me up when we're past the "women aren't aggressive and angry and therefore their music shouldn't represent that" bullshit.

On preview: what everyone else said.
posted by WidgetAlley at 7:36 AM on April 11, 2006


Fuck this link. This is the best of the web?
posted by agregoli at 7:41 AM on April 11, 2006


Rock’n’roll is the musical embodiment of maleness. It’s one of the reasons women get penis envy — it looks a lot of fun. It’s about vanity, anger and nihilism (unless you’re Bono); it’s ugly things like a gas-guzzling car, a pub fight, a one-track mind

Oh give me a fucking break.

Rock and Roll is not "the embodiment of maleness." Rock and Roll is wild, abandoned, music that makes you move. 50 percent of the time it is about love or lust or some combination of the two. The term "Rock and Roll" does not mean it has to be screeching and tuneless. It can actually have a melody. It can be song by a woman.

Here's what I like: a craggy voice. A hook. A beat that makes you crazy. And some lyrics that get bonus points if they are interesting and not necessarily about love.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:49 AM on April 11, 2006


That's it. I'm never ever reading another article that has anything to do with gender and rock. Music is about ear-freaking-drums.
posted by DenOfSizer at 7:55 AM on April 11, 2006


I don't know, "vagina rock" sounds kind of clinical to me. How about "rock'n'hole" instead? - stavrosthewonderchicken

That made my day.
posted by raedyn at 8:10 AM on April 11, 2006


This article is so stupid that I lost a dozen IQ points after the second paragraph.
posted by jokeefe at 8:15 AM on April 11, 2006


Wow, that's got to be the worst article I've read in years. What a clueless nitwit, about both music & her own gender.

I often wonder whether Dido chose that as a name because of it's similarity to Dildo

It's actually her real name. Her parents need a slap :D
posted by zarah at 8:21 AM on April 11, 2006


Stoopid article. One wonders that people get paid to churn out crap like that. The only sentence that says anything useful is the last one: "All we have to do now is buy into it."
posted by Lynsey at 9:15 AM on April 11, 2006


COCK PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by Sijeka at 9:56 AM on April 11, 2006


"Excuse me, but Shirley Manson, Karen O, Chrissie Hynde, Blondie, Sleater-Kinney, Amanda Palmer, Brodie Armstrong, Gwen Stefani, Cibo Matto, Meg White, Siouxsie Sioux, and Kim Deal want a word."

And Joan Jett and Lita Ford and two women from Heart want a word with *you* about forgetting them! ;)
Oh, and Pat Benatar!

Maybe it was all the leather, but I kind of remember her being in the "aggressive" genre for a bit.
posted by drstein at 10:22 AM on April 11, 2006


Wow - the tone here went undeniably negative unbelievably quickly.

Any critic out to craft a meme has to take a snapshot of her surroundings, wrap it up in plausible explanation, then throw it into the interwebtron (and those other medias) for digestion. It's always a snapshot, always a trend-spot. Chances are good any fan she holds up is equally into several other genres dependent largely on mood.

That said, I don't think the author is too far off that there is a burgeoning market for female singer-songwriters with best-friend sensibilities.

Her conclusions and admonitions (read: "support") for the "why" are laughable, but that doesn't make her observations untrue.
posted by abulafa at 10:32 AM on April 11, 2006


Her conclusions and admonitions (read: "support") for the "why" are laughable

Maybe that's why the tone was negative?
posted by kenko at 11:31 AM on April 11, 2006


Boring Safe Women in Liking Boring Safe Music SHOCKA!
posted by klangklangston at 1:31 PM on April 11, 2006


"Rock with the cock taken out..."

I'm doing that right now.
posted by Viomeda at 1:42 PM on April 11, 2006


"Excuse me, but Shirley Manson, Karen O, Chrissie Hynde, Blondie, Sleater-Kinney, Amanda Palmer, Brodie Armstrong, Gwen Stefani, Cibo Matto, Meg White, Siouxsie Sioux, and Kim Deal want a word."

And Joan Jett and Lita Ford and two women from Heart want a word with *you* about forgetting them! ;)
Oh, and Pat Benatar!


Don't forget Kristen Hersh, PJ Harvey, Tanya Donnelly, and Mo Tucker, either.
posted by echolalia67 at 1:46 PM on April 11, 2006


Paging the not-boring Shaggs...
posted by everichon at 2:10 PM on April 11, 2006


In fact, I'd go so far as to say that rock'n'roll can ONLY be performed by women. Bloke rock is just a pale shadow of the estrogen-driven sonic assault of the real thing.

Also, in my head, Dido is my girlfriend.
posted by Sparx at 3:35 PM on April 11, 2006



Rock and Roll is not "the embodiment of maleness." Rock and Roll is wild, abandoned, music that makes you move. 50 percent of the time it is about love or lust or some combination of the two. The term "Rock and Roll" does not mean it has to be screeching and tuneless. It can actually have a melody. It can be song by a woman.

Here's what I like: a craggy voice. A hook. A beat that makes you crazy. And some lyrics that get bonus points if they are interesting and not necessarily about love.


see Beth Hart if you ever get the chance. she'll rock your world.
posted by rhythim at 4:42 PM on April 11, 2006


Excuse me, but Shirley Manson, Karen O, Chrissie Hynde, Blondie, Sleater-Kinney, Amanda Palmer, Brodie Armstrong, Gwen Stefani, Cibo Matto, Meg White, Siouxsie Sioux, and Kim Deal want a word."

And Joan Jett and Lita Ford and two women from Heart want a word with *you* about forgetting them! ;)
Oh, and Pat Benatar!


...and Grace Slick. But really, I can't believe nobody has mentioned Janis Joplin. Janis Joplin helped define Rock and Roll.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:14 PM on April 11, 2006


vagina rock

Y'know, the c-word actually sounds pretty good in this context.

If ever there was a word that needed reclamation.
posted by inpHilltr8r at 6:07 PM on April 11, 2006


Can I just say I hate Beth Orton and I always have? What the hell was Sebastian Steinberg thinking?
posted by Decani at 6:38 PM on April 11, 2006


My friends and I refer to M. Etheridge (sp?), Indigo Girls, and their ilk as Lesbian Rock.
posted by neuron at 7:41 PM on April 11, 2006


Excuse me, but Shirley Manson, Karen O, Chrissie Hynde, Blondie, Sleater-Kinney, Amanda Palmer, Brodie Armstrong, Gwen Stefani, Cibo Matto, Meg White, Siouxsie Sioux, and Kim Deal want a word."

And Joan Jett and Lita Ford and two women from Heart want a word with *you* about forgetting them! ;)
Oh, and Pat Benatar!

...and Grace Slick. But really, I can't believe nobody has mentioned Janis Joplin. Janis Joplin helped define Rock and Roll.


...and no Kim Gordon yet, either? Sheesh.
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:49 PM on April 11, 2006


sorry but none of the above women rocks in any way whatsoever. fact.
posted by dydecker at 2:26 AM on April 13, 2006


closest i can think of of a women playing music which actually ROCKS is Boris (the guitarist is a woman).
posted by dydecker at 2:44 AM on April 13, 2006


"sorry but none of the above women rocks in any way whatsoever. fact."

You are too high to function. Fact.
posted by klangklangston at 7:39 AM on April 13, 2006


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