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Now that Tomkat has birthed their Tomkitten, at least two questions arise: 1) will Tom eat the placenta? and 2) will the child be retarded?
posted by billysumday (88 comments total)

 
Notably, "Suri Cruise" is an anagram of "uric issuer", which for a baby makes complete sense.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:12 PM on April 18, 2006


I'm very disappointed that they didn't name her Spike.
posted by Faint of Butt at 6:13 PM on April 18, 2006


I fear for that child's wellbeing having Tom Cruise as a father. His new open confessional interview approach just makes him creepier, he had deep, deep problems.
posted by fire&wings at 6:19 PM on April 18, 2006


I love ikkyu the dos. My whole social network knows that little story now.
posted by GooseOnTheLoose at 6:20 PM on April 18, 2006


We obviously can't have respectful discussions about Scientology.
posted by wakko at 6:23 PM on April 18, 2006


placenta, it's what's for dinner!
posted by puke & cry at 6:27 PM on April 18, 2006 [1 favorite]


Did anybody ever consider the following notions

1) he's an actor
2) he's playing a batshit insane devotee
3) he's getting richly paid to spend his image

religious people may be fragile and gullible, but their "leaders" seldom are
posted by elpapacito at 6:32 PM on April 18, 2006


Personally, the random crap the media seem to churn out about the man every single day kind of makes me see him as a bit of a victim here. I know he's batshit insane because, well, he's a scientologist. But I don't think he's as batshit insane as the media likes to portray him.
posted by nightchrome at 6:34 PM on April 18, 2006


Why would they want to have their devotees portrayed as batshit insane? Seems like it would be bad for recruitment.

Unless you're trying to recruit the insane.
posted by mr_roboto at 6:35 PM on April 18, 2006


Holoprosencephalic kat?
posted by TimeFactor at 6:36 PM on April 18, 2006


My question is why does anyone give a shit about these people?
posted by Effigy2000 at 6:37 PM on April 18, 2006


Hey, so who else here is suddenly wondering what fried placenta with shallots tastes like? I'm guessing liver.
posted by Drunken_munky at 6:37 PM on April 18, 2006


Just me? Alright then.
posted by Drunken_munky at 6:39 PM on April 18, 2006


You're not kidding about the drunken part are yah?
posted by zarah at 6:44 PM on April 18, 2006


Now, what I gotta wonder is, since Tom is an OT-VII, and, as far as I know, Katie isn't even clear yet, will the baby be somewhere around OT-III½?

Is OT-ness hereditary in Scientology or will the kid cost more?

Are there coupons for maybe some sort of family package?
posted by wakko at 6:54 PM on April 18, 2006


"My question is why does anyone give a shit about these people?"

Some people can't find or create enough meaning in their own lives, so they have to live vicariously through people they perceive as being more interesting, glamorous, important, powerful as themselves.

Me, I just think wacky people are entertaining! (as long as they're kept away from sharp objects and public office) :)
posted by zoogleplex at 6:57 PM on April 18, 2006


I just felt Cthulhu stir a little bit.
posted by bardic at 6:58 PM on April 18, 2006


wakko: part of me is expecting them to come out with a declaration that the child is the Second Coming of Hubbard.
posted by nightchrome at 6:58 PM on April 18, 2006


Tom Cruise posts remind me of accident-gawking on the freeway.... stop and stare at the carnage!

If you insist on making them, however, I think it should be decreed that all TC posts include the 'batshitinsane' tag.
posted by Malor at 7:06 PM on April 18, 2006


From the second link:
But placenta-eating is considered normal in some cultures. Various recipes include one for placenta lasagne. Some say eating it helps avoid post-natal depression.

Man. That guy will go to any length to avoid a Zoloft prescription....

(Actually I think the placenta eating comment was his way of goofing on his nuttyass reputation. I hope. And if he's any kind of gent he'll at least offer to share a few bites with Katie.)
posted by maryh at 7:09 PM on April 18, 2006


Interesting...I don't know much about TomKat except what I see on the net. I also have never been much on following Hollywooders. But, you see enough reports about someone shoplifting or having a baby....you don't even have to click to keep basic track from the RSS headlines & summaries.

At first I thought this was kind of odd because Tom's supposedly going to eat the placenta. I still think that's a little wierd; but, only because it's usually the mom who eats it.

That's what threw me in the first place. I've read about cultures where the mother regularly eats the placenta, for it's nutritional value...it is extraordinarily rich and nutritious. Once upon a time, maybe we all did it...mom's I mean.

I Twingined and it does seem that sometimes the father, and perhaps others, do sometimes partake. Still, it seems more than a little wierd to me for others to be eating a bit of mom when it's mom who needs to nutrition.

I also hadn't heard of this sort of thing:
Some families will take the placentas and bury them in the ground to celebrate the new life given to them. This dedication of the placenta back to the earth or in honor of the child is becoming more frequent. A year later a tree or flower is then planted in the same spot to allow the placenta to nourish its growth. The reason that you would wait this year is that a placenta is so nutrient rich that it would kill anything planted before that period.

What about placenta art? Yes, you can make art out of it. Generally mothers talk about placenta prints. After the birth you take a piece of paper and lay the placenta on it. If it is fresh you can let the blood and amniotic fluid leave the print or others choose to use paints to add color. Now what? Well, hang your framed art or store it for safekeeping.
If I had, we'd have planted a rose bush.

I would be interested in a thread wherein I could learn something real about this Scientology religon. I don't care enough about it to research it on my own; but, if a good, linky, post showed up, I'd probably read it even if I didn't have much comment.

Don't anyone strain yourself. I'm just interested in looking at this current mythology...lazily...becuase it seems really nutty in my RSS feeds.
posted by taosbat at 7:13 PM on April 18, 2006


My wife is having a baby this summer. I'm TOTALLY going to eat the placenta. I hear it can be quite the dish.
posted by ColdChef at 7:14 PM on April 18, 2006


Yesterday, I was watching this video clip of Tom talking to Diane Sawyer. He just doesn't sound like a normal person describing his significant other. There is definitely something very "off" about this guy. Yikes!

And I don't even want to think about the placenta thing.
posted by bim at 7:17 PM on April 18, 2006


I didn't think pillows had placentas. Maybe he's eating a oillow case.
posted by macadamiaranch at 7:18 PM on April 18, 2006


I just felt Cthulhu stir a little bit.

For. The. Win.

I'm so stealing that. I'll even use that one at work, and damn soon.
posted by loquacious at 7:18 PM on April 18, 2006


Here ya go, taosbat!
posted by zoogleplex at 7:19 PM on April 18, 2006


taosbat: Scientology is a "religion" that was created by (terrible) science-fiction author L. Ron Hubbard mostly as a money-making venture. You can read all about it at Xenu.net
posted by nightchrome at 7:20 PM on April 18, 2006



posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:21 PM on April 18, 2006


"I didn't think pillows had placentas. Maybe he's eating a pillow case."

Yeah, I saw a picture that just looked like an utterly fake pregnancy, but I'm hesitant to take it at face value, given Photoshop and the intar-wubs.

Anybody got some better intel on that?
posted by zoogleplex at 7:24 PM on April 18, 2006


Do any other people really use 'Twingine' as a verb?
posted by maledictory at 7:31 PM on April 18, 2006


There's a good thread over at the IndieBrides bulletin board discussing the topic and the batshit insanity that is Tom Cruise. Some inane chatter and some brilliant analysis of the whole issue - you'll have to decide which is which.

Hmm, wonder how the silent birth went. I'm hopeful they'll be silent for a while and just raise The Spawn of Xenu, err, Suri.
posted by rmm at 7:37 PM on April 18, 2006


Do any other people really use 'Twingine' as a verb?

Did you try teomaing that?
posted by horsewithnoname at 7:38 PM on April 18, 2006


Thanks, zoogleplex & nightchrome!

Heh...did you know that http://clambake.org/ & http://www.xenu.net/ appear to access the exact same web site?

L. Ron Hubbard...I ran into some ardent fans of his some years back. They convinced me to never waste time on his stuffola...nor them, again.

Does all the hoopla strike anyone else as a papa love-fest wherein mama could just as well be wearing a burka if papa didn't want to be celebrating his virility be showing off his lovely lady?
posted by taosbat at 7:43 PM on April 18, 2006


Do any other people really use 'Twingine' as a verb?

Someone said that about "I 'googled' it," once upon a time.
posted by taosbat at 7:45 PM on April 18, 2006


I'm as big a movie/TV/pop culture geek as anyone most of the time, but the incessant celebrity 'news' has got to stop. For the love of FSM.
posted by ninjew at 7:56 PM on April 18, 2006


How much you wanna bet that baby looks exactly like Issaac Hayes?
posted by maryh at 8:00 PM on April 18, 2006


Hah! I Twingined teoma!

The thing is, I wouldn't 'AOL' or 'Microsoft' or 'Yahoo' something to say I was searching. Those terms already have their own kleenex meanings...none so happy as search.

But, I regularly use Twingine. I find the differences and similarities between the Yahoo and Google results are often informative. It's when I get serious that I go beyond Twingine.

However, some may not be prepared for, or may not like, the Twingine format. So, what's an easier way to declare the haps for all than to say "I Twingined it?"

And, English is always in transitioin...if I get net-credit for first use...well...mother pin a rose on me!

But, I'll bet it ain't so...have you Twingined it?
posted by taosbat at 8:08 PM on April 18, 2006


How much you wanna bet that baby looks exactly like Issaac Hayes?

The placenta will taste like chocolate salty balls.
posted by the_bone at 8:14 PM on April 18, 2006


Wouldn't Twingine work better as a firefox plugin? Then you could select from a list of engines and pick the two (or more) that you like.
posted by maledictory at 8:16 PM on April 18, 2006


Wouldn't Twingine work better as a firefox plugin?

I probably wouldn't use it so much if it weren't: http://twingine.com/tools.html
posted by taosbat at 8:24 PM on April 18, 2006


Isn't cannibalism illegal? Or is it not cannibalism once it's expelled from the body?

Enquiring minds want to know.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:26 PM on April 18, 2006


what kind of wine do you think he should have with placenta?
posted by pyramid termite at 8:27 PM on April 18, 2006


"what kind of wine do you think he should have with placenta?"

Something from a box.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:34 PM on April 18, 2006


maledictory, to customize a Firefox search plug-in, take a look at this: http://rollyo.com/index.html

Rollyo
posted by taosbat at 8:35 PM on April 18, 2006


oh crap I can't resist.

A NICE CHIANTI!!!
posted by zoogleplex at 8:37 PM on April 18, 2006


Oops...

http://rollyo.com/index.html
posted by taosbat at 8:39 PM on April 18, 2006


A NICE CHIANTI!!!

And what sort of beans?
posted by taosbat at 8:39 PM on April 18, 2006


Isn't cannibalism illegal? Or is it not cannibalism once it's expelled from the body?

Enquiring minds want to know.


I wanted to know that too, but was beaten to it. So, the next question would be: "is consumption of menstrual blood ok as well?" - eg if you prefer to remain childless?
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:48 PM on April 18, 2006


Are there any other body parts that are routinely eaten for nutritional value?

I hope that placenta eating is done mainly in places where starvation is an concern.

Otherwise... eww. eww ewww ewwwwwwwwww

Yes, I've seen a real one, my wife's to be exact, 2 feet from me, freshly expelled, and I would have to be at the starvation level to take even one tiny bite. And drunk.

Would anyone advocate eating tumors for the same reason?
posted by Ynoxas at 8:48 PM on April 18, 2006


honestly, we need to put ikkyu's post there in as many threads as possible. that gem never loses is shine for me.
posted by shmegegge at 8:52 PM on April 18, 2006


they'd be pretty stupid if they did - what tumors fulfill nutrition requirements for a baby? A woman eating the placenta makes sense to me, considering that it's basically made up of all the nutrients the babe's been stealing from her for 9 mo.

Is cannibalism actually illegal, anyway? Honestly don't know. Obviously murder's illegal, but is it legally impossible to will that your body can be eaten after you die? not sure who would know the answer to that, but... I can't really think of a reason aside from health concerns. maybe it's akin to rules about having your cattle meet FDA regulations? hm, in which case, there could be something illegal with placentas after all. does anyone ever get sick from eating it since it's unregulated like that?
posted by mdn at 9:01 PM on April 18, 2006


TimeFactor makes me cry :(
posted by papakwanz at 9:18 PM on April 18, 2006


does anyone ever get sick from eating it since it's unregulated like that?

I would venture a guess and say that hopefully, the placenta-eating segment of the population is too small to answer this question.
posted by Pontius Pilate at 9:21 PM on April 18, 2006


Okay this placentophagy thing is getting on my nerves -- I'm not saying outright it's right or wrong or healthy or not, but it's following a very suspicious course.

First, from Kristal (1980)
Stimulated by this reference to human placentophagia, I undertook a search of the Human Relations Area files at the State University of New York at Buffalo in 1975. The anthropological subcategories examined for each of the 296 cultural groups catalogued were: childbirth, difficult and unusual births, postnatal care, gratification and control of hunger, cannibalism, and nutrition. The fate of the afterbirth could be determined for 70% of the cultures listed; in not one was placentophagia noted. The majority of cultures burned or buried the placenta. In many, a totemism was associated with the afterbirth, and a piece of the placenta or umbilicus was saved as a talisman. In some cultures (Pomo, Toradja, Siwans, Vietnam), portions of placenta are saved for subsequent medicinal application (see also [54]).

In many cultures, however, strong statements against eating placenta were noted, suggesting that these cultures recognized placenta as a substance that could be eaten. Whether these prohibitions or the symbolic substitutions seen in other cultures were designed to counteract a tendency to eat placenta, or to reinforce the distinction between humans and other animals, is unclear. The Navaho treated the placenta as sacred, but also as poisonous; the Kol believed that if the placenta were eaten by the mother, she would die. The Shilliuk, apparently practicing symbolic ingestion of the afterbirth, buried the placenta at the roots of a fruit tree, then during the next season ritualistically ate the fruit or drank tea brewed from the fruit. It remains possible that placentophagia is practiced in some cultures, or may have been before the era of modern anthropological records, as Ober has pointed out [54]. Tinklepaugh and Hartman may have been aware of some information that has since faded into obscurity.


He never found a single case of documented placenta-eating. In a puff science piece on Gelf there is vague mention made of its practice limited to americans since the 60's, but again no specific examples given.

There appears to be some coverage in this scholarly article (to which I do not have access).

But really -- can anybody find documented evidence of a single case of placentophagy that's not a personal anecdote?
posted by abulafa at 10:12 PM on April 18, 2006


mr_crash_davis wins

I've seen a real one, my wife's to be exact, 2 feet from me, freshly expelled, and I would have to be at the starvation level to take even one tiny bite. And drunk.

me too ... and i'd eat the damn wallpaper first ... maybe i wouldn't have room for the placenta, especially if i ate the window blinds for dessert
posted by pyramid termite at 10:13 PM on April 18, 2006


cats, on the other hand, do eat theirs ... proof, as if we needed any, that they are alien beings who are here to control us
posted by pyramid termite at 10:15 PM on April 18, 2006


zarah, come in here to troll the manicurists did you?
posted by Joeforking at 10:27 PM on April 18, 2006


"You were ordered to produce only MALES for the Bene Gesserit!"
posted by slatternus at 10:34 PM on April 18, 2006


I just felt Cthulhu stir a little bit.

Cthulhu Cthild Cthare
really, quite well done
posted by Aknaton at 11:00 PM on April 18, 2006


2) will the child be retarded?

Silly rabbit, Tom's seed is cursed, that's why he took the Spartan route and chose a "Man of Virtue" to decorate his wife's cake on his behalf.
posted by dgaicun at 11:02 PM on April 18, 2006


I can't belive it's been more then 9 months already since this freakshow started.
posted by delmoi at 11:09 PM on April 18, 2006


I think that last link may be the most linked-to deleted FPP in metafilter history :)

Well, maybe after this one...
posted by delmoi at 11:14 PM on April 18, 2006


So does the sprog start at like 4th level or something because of his Super Powerful 16th Level Go-Cruise Daddy?
posted by fenriq at 11:44 PM on April 18, 2006


Like eating a nose bleed, according to a friend of mine. I'd suggest some kind of pate.
posted by alasdair at 12:42 AM on April 19, 2006


I feel the need to post this. (via Defamer)

*giggle* *snort*

posted by anjamu at 1:20 AM on April 19, 2006


This sort of newsfilter is the worst kind of newsfilter. I appreciate the fact that some people here will appreciate this news, and that's fine. Hell, I thank billysumday for posting this shit, because I know that someone somewhere on Metafilter will like this. It takes all sorts to make this place the excellent place that it is. But if you link a post, you should prepare for some commentary on it and by god I am gonna comment on this.

Because you see, to me, this culture of celebrity worship that is currently infecting our lives and which leads to FPPs like this is nothing short of a sickening trend that elevates a small group of idiotic peons to a place in civilization far away and above the level that their pathetic ilk should be inhabiting. I don't give a fuck about what stage of its development cycle the 'Brangefetus' is at and nor do I care about the hatching of the mutant spawn of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes from its cocoon and into this world. I don't care because the lives of two otherwise brain dead fucktards who happen to be famous thanks to their mediocre acting skills doesn't interest me one iota more than the dullards on the latest craze reality TV show or that of the lives of the bogans living next door to me.

Focus on your own lives, people! Why escape into the supposed glitz and glamour of Hollywood when you have bills to pay, relationships to maintain and social networking (otherwise known as 'keeping contact with friends') to take care of. Why people model themselves on dingbats like Paris Hilton, as almost every peroxide blonde I see in the city seems to be doing these days, is beyond me. Really? Is Paris Hilton someone people should be looking up to? Fuck man, single celled organisms don't even look up to that brain dead flesh bag. Is your life really that empty that you need to worship whoever happens to be 'in' right now? That you need to stare unblinkingly at the TV while E! disseminates the latest going on's in the fucked up lives of two Scientologist twats? Because if it is, well, y'know, maybe you should do us all a big favor and end it now, rather than polluting my reality matrix with your half baked, unoriginal celebrity worshiping bullshit.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to hit the refresh page on the ABC's celebrity gossip page once every 30 seconds. I hear that the Brangefetus is about to give birth somewhere in Africa, and I have to be the first to post a FPP about it because my life is empty and I know that by posting about this impending event, I'll be filling the lives of people as empty on the inside as me with the kind of good news that only celebrities and their oh-so-much-better than mine lives can provide.
posted by Effigy2000 at 1:31 AM on April 19, 2006


Are there any other body parts that are routinely eaten for nutritional value?
If poor Katie looks a bit raw over the coming weeks, we'll know the true nature of her lil' thetanette.
posted by maryh at 1:35 AM on April 19, 2006


"'Brangefetus'"? C'mon Effigy2000, it's okay to sample the pop candy on occasion, so long as you brush for the required 3 minutes afterwards. The harmless absurdities help innocualte us against the murderous ones, in the right doses.
(christ I hope that's true)
posted by maryh at 1:43 AM on April 19, 2006


The placenta is made of the exact genetic material that your child is made of, as if it was the baby's clone (t is after all a part of the fertiized egg just like the baby). Eating it is cannibalism.
posted by dabitch at 2:00 AM on April 19, 2006


But your own snot is made out of the exact genetic material that you are made of, too. And your own sweat is made of et cetera. Cannibalism ain't eating that stuff. (Although I'm not 100% sure about sweat, now that I think about it.)
posted by cgc373 at 3:28 AM on April 19, 2006


Why would they want to have their devotees portrayed as batshit insane? Seems like it would be bad for recruitment.
Unless you're trying to recruit the insane.


That's correct, that's only my angle and perception of he possibly being insane. Others may see him as talkative, assertive
eccentric but possessing some sekrut notions that make all problems magically disappear ! Of course such people are delusional
and obviously not aware of being so ; plus the notion that psycology and psychiatry are hogwash certainly is a convenient
external scapegoat, further suggesting me they (scient) are after a target of people who

a) believe in "science" the way some people believe in god (pure faith)
b) believe that some human have special knowledge obtained by unusual special scientific secret means
c) like thinking they are intelligent and erudite , reject any discomfirming evidence
d) have a strong prejudice against psycologists , seen as pushers that drugs people into stupor for profit
e) have a strong prejudice against priest, pastors, anything that is associated with "churchs" , seen as paedophiles, bullshit spitting
sex repressing hypocrites

That's a pretty big target and they need some well-know figure as Travolta or Cruise to act as "priest" of the new religion
posted by elpapacito at 3:52 AM on April 19, 2006


You know what I hate? When "the media," or whoever, blends a celebrity couple's names into one iconic, Lewis Carroll-like word. We now have Bennifer, Brangelina and TomKat. I would like if it somebody would just shoot me in the face right now, but I may have to settle with living through this kitschy bullshit until I die a natural death.

And props to Effigy2000 for his more vitriolic version of my rant.
posted by Clamwacker at 4:29 AM on April 19, 2006


cgc373, no it isn't - snot is made up of water, mucin (a glycoprotein), salts, and some cells. Chewing on your nails, which is your dead skincells isn't quite as out there as eating the perfect genetic clone of your baby, made from the same source at the exact same time.
posted by dabitch at 5:19 AM on April 19, 2006


You know what I hate? When "the media," or whoever, blends a celebrity couple's names into one iconic, Lewis Carroll-like word. We now have Bennifer, Brangelina and TomKat. I would like if it somebody would just shoot me in the face right now, but I may have to settle with living through this kitschy bullshit until I die a natural death.

The Spelndiferous Zepplin Escapades of Filliam H. Muffman
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 5:55 AM on April 19, 2006


Why am I thinking about this?

Okay, granted, the similarity of a placenta to a baby is greater than the similarity of a fingernail to its finger-bearer, and so it's correspondingly grosser to consider eating the placenta than to consider eating the fingernail, I still gotta wonder (why? oh why?) about the placenta's lack of stuff like bones, nerves, sentience, and so on, in terms of what it means to eat it. I mean, the thing is just tissue, right? It's incapable of further development. Unlike the baby, which, if fed and watered and sheltered, will develop into a bigger baby, then a child, and eventually into a MetaFilterian or whatever, the placenta cannot be provided nutrition in any meaningful way, or comparable way.

Although, I guess, it's more comparable to think about eating the finger than the fingernail, and eating the finger is cannabilism.

Oh, hell, I don't know. Why am I thinking about this?
posted by cgc373 at 6:04 AM on April 19, 2006


cgc373: because it's viral ! You know you love Brangelina
posted by elpapacito at 6:56 AM on April 19, 2006


That must be it.
posted by cgc373 at 7:00 AM on April 19, 2006


Seriously, I'm making placenta spaghetti. I've got the whole meal planned out. Going to have a few friends over. Maybe at the end of the meal, I'll tell them what they just ate. Very "Hannibal Lecter."
posted by ColdChef at 7:53 AM on April 19, 2006


Fava beans. Chianti.
posted by bardic at 8:05 AM on April 19, 2006


I'll never eat anything again after this thread....
posted by dabitch at 8:41 AM on April 19, 2006


ColdChef, use headcheese instead of parmesan if you really want to go with authentic placentaghetti.
posted by trondant at 10:00 AM on April 19, 2006


abulafa: that was very interesting.
posted by sonofsamiam at 10:10 AM on April 19, 2006


Suri (not the baby) is a type of alpaca. I'm rather partial to camelids, myself.
posted by GrammarMoses at 11:36 AM on April 19, 2006


Sorry, meant to provide a link.
posted by GrammarMoses at 11:37 AM on April 19, 2006


Apparently it's (placentophagy) quite common in animals. The other articles on (presumably) human placentophagy appear not to be available online.

I know a nurse who assisted in childbirthing in rural china many many years ago - she said that it's usually associated with famine (ie., replacing some of the nutrition that the mother lost to the child). Typically, the placenta (and only parts of it) was prepared as a soup. The midwives/nurses would also partake but mostly in response to the famine conditions.

The placenta is dead waste tissue. Like if you collected all of the dead skin cells you shed over your lifetime. Blood - how about white blood cells in blood when you have a nosebleed or suck on a wound?

As for cannibalism, it's very much in a grey area but I'd consider it ethically neutral to consume placenta.
posted by PurplePorpoise at 1:07 PM on April 19, 2006


My friends sister and her boyfriend ate their babys placenta. We buried our sons placenta under a tree in the front yard.
posted by haikuku at 6:14 PM on April 19, 2006


Our doula mentioned another client of hers who made an own-placenta smoothie.

The kicker: said client was vegan.
posted by Aknaton at 8:21 PM on April 19, 2006


As for cannibalism, it's very much in a grey area but I'd consider it ethically neutral to consume placenta.
posted by PurplePorpoise at 3:07 PM CST on April 19 [!]


I don't consider it an ethical dilemma at all. I consider it incredibly disgusting and of questionable value in the first world.
posted by Ynoxas at 10:30 AM on April 20, 2006


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