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	<title>Comments on: Lite Brite Graffitti</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:28:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Lite Brite Graffitti</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://graffitiresearchlab.com/?page_id=19"&gt;Night Writer&lt;/a&gt; (embedded .mov).  &quot;The night writer extends the functionality of LED throwies by allowing a writer to catch a tag in lights. It&apos;s cheap, easy to make and writes 12-inch glowing letters 25-feet in the air on any iron or steel surface.&quot;  From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://graffitiresearchlab.com/&quot;&gt;Graffitti Research Lab.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:11:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>zardoz</dc:creator>		<category>graffitti</category>
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		<title>By: alteredcarbon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294422</link>	
		<description>That looks fun and mischievous and something I...huh...WOULDN&apos;T do, yeah, nope, not me.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:28:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alteredcarbon</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: pwb503</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294427</link>	
		<description>Here&apos;s a link to a previous thread regarding another project of theirs, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/49251&quot;&gt;LED Throwies&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:34:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pkingdesign</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294432</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/49251#1212630&quot;&gt;Previously&lt;/a&gt; (and with correctly spelled tags). Same granola loving tree-hugger comment applies...</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:41:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MonkeySaltedNuts</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294437</link>	
		<description>Why don&apos;t they just throw in a small computer chip and maybe a wifi chip.

That way the sign could scroll/change message and might be remotely programmable.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:48:32 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MonkeySaltedNuts</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: xammerboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294447</link>	
		<description>The remotely programmable thing sounds cool.  As it is - I like the idea but not how it was applied, which seems a little lame.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:17:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>xammerboy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Cranberry</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294483</link>	
		<description>Far be it from me to suggest that the signs could be used in political campaigns - or when icky people tied up traffic with their motorcades.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:11:20 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cranberry</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: omarr</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294494</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t imagine it&apos;d be very cheap to add in wifi and a controller, but it would be cool. It&apos;s probably not worth it for something that&apos;ll end up being removed and thrown away though.

Another thing that&apos;d be neat is using a solar panel and a photovoltaic sensor to allow it to charge during the day and light up at night. If it&apos;s at all possible to do it cheaply, I&apos;m sure someone will get around to it...</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:22:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: blasdelf</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294559</link>	
		<description>Fuck LED Throwies!

Dude! A magnet, a battery, and an LED... stick a bunch of them to a wall all at once with a pole... OMG WALL HACK!

Approaching the lameness that was anagramed subway maps...</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:24:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Drexen</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294615</link>	
		<description>I think they&apos;re pretty awesome. I&apos;m sure I&apos;d get some letters the wrong way round though..</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:49:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Drexen</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: eriko</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294675</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I&apos;m sure I&apos;d get some letters the wrong way round though&lt;/i&gt;

Testing. Try it on a low wall, fix the problem letters, repeat until fixed. Then, once it is fixed, block the holes that don&apos;t  get LEDs, and you&apos;ll have a tag that works.

Of course, this means you&apos;ll have a fixed tag, rather than being able to change on the fly, but if you&apos;re worried about looking all L33T, that&apos;s the way.

Now, if you want to do something like this, the way to reduce the costs is volume. An example -- an LED that costs $.62 in single pieces cost $.35 in 100 piece lots, and  $.20 in 1000 piece lots.

For big orders, surplus sites often aren&apos;t as cheap as the regular component distributors, since they tend not to make up lots from bulk. When they do have large-lots to sell, it is because that&apos;s the way they got them, and they&apos;re willing to move the whole bag or reel of LEDs cheaper to keep from having to count them out. For really big orders -- 25K lots and above, the big distributors are the place to go. 

Then again, sometimes you get lucky, like this bag of 200 bright red LEDs for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G15606&quot;&gt;$5.00&lt;/a&gt;, less than three cents an LED. No specs, though.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:50:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Daly</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294704</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;On average it takes about 50 throwies to write a four-letter word (Fig 3).&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Anyone got 50 throwies? I wanna write a four-letter word. 
META!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:37:20 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard Daly</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: blacklite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294707</link>	
		<description>anything that involves something called &quot;throwies&quot; can stay on boing boing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:41:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>blacklite</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: lupus_yonderboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294785</link>	
		<description>Again, like the last time, I&apos;m disgusted at something that by its nature involves single-use, disposable, environmentally lethal materials that will inevitably be thrown into the garbage without being properly disposed of.

This is much worse because of the &amp;gt;100x multiplier (if it takes 50 throwies to write a four-letter word, it&apos;s gotta take over 100 to write &quot;resistor&quot;).

Note also the poverty of the actual message, so characteristic of a lot of graffiti (but not all) -- this man has the ability to write any message he wants in glowing red letters that everyone will see, and what does he write?  His tag, over and over.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:14:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lupus_yonderboy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: killThisKid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294815</link>	
		<description>Specs for above mentioned cheap LEDs mentioned by erico:

Power Dissipation - Pd - 100
Forward Current - IF - 50
Peak Forward Current - IFM - 300
Reverse Voltage - VR - 4
Operating Temp. - Topr - -30~+85
Storage Temp. - Tstg - -30~+100
Derating * - &#916;IF - 0.67</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:59:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>killThisKid</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: phaedon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294837</link>	
		<description>so where can you buy these little led bulbs in bulk?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:31:05 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>phaedon</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: foozleface</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1294871</link>	
		<description>Too bad they&apos;re so ephemeral - what if the throwies had a tiny photovoltaic cell to rechange &apos;em?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:11:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: phaedon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1295059</link>	
		<description>ekk. sorry, danke erico.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:37:33 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>phaedon</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mendel</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1295130</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t mind the idea of throwies -- I like the idea of walking along the street and finding a couple glowing points of light that someone&apos;s left for me. I get the impression from throwies that the person left them there to make me happy when I see them.

But words? That turns it around completely. I&apos;d get the impression that someone left them there to satisfy their own ego.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:02:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Baby_Balrog</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1295184</link>	
		<description>i remember seeing cory get all hyper-bonerfied about this on boingboing a while ago.

how long do the led throwies live?  i can&apos;t remember.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:08:16 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Baby_Balrog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jrochest</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1295350</link>	
		<description>According to the website, about 2 weeks.

This strikes me as less graffiti and more performance art.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 00:46:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quite unimportant</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51289/Lite-Brite-Graffitti#1295554</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;This strikes me as less graffiti and more performance art.
&lt;/i&gt;

Funny...it strikes me as littering.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 09:38:38 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>quite unimportant</dc:creator>
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