Comments on: Napster wakes up and the world has changed so much.

Napster wakes up and the world has changed so much.

Effigy2000 — Mon, 01 May 2006 18:17:49 -0800

Remember Napster? Well, it's returned to its roots and is once again offering free music via a revamped ad based web-site. But according to their FAQ, you can only listen to any given song up to 5 times before you'll be asked to pay for it. Even though this equates to roughly 10 million free plays, in an age where BitTorrent is king, will this pay off for the company? Some say no, as the catches that come with this new system are just too many. But (for the moment at least) the share market is saying yes.

By: puke & cry

puke & cry — Mon, 01 May 2006 18:21:04 -0800

business model number ..... 3? 4? Give it up guys.

By: keswick

keswick — Mon, 01 May 2006 18:30:33 -0800

In completely unrelated news, Audio Hijack is now available for Intel Macs.

By: neustile

neustile — Mon, 01 May 2006 18:39:22 -0800

keswick: rofl. But the quality is pretty bad on the "free" versions. I am guessing 64kbps mp3 but I don't really know.

By: The Castle

The Castle — Mon, 01 May 2006 18:42:30 -0800

I could see that being useful as a tool to give something a quick listen to see if you want to listen to any more of the album. Or if you wanted to keep track of what's popular on the radio, as it were. Upon viewing the site, it appears to not have any Bad Religion. I'll be moving on. Thanks for the link though.

By: weston

weston — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:02:48 -0800

The model is actually fine -- it's something I'd be interested in. I think the place they're most likely to fall down is the experience. How obtrusive will the ads be? How cumbersome is the registration process? How steady is the network delivery?

By: Pontius Pilate

Pontius Pilate — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:04:19 -0800

Here's the part I don't understand: "After the 5th free play of any single track, you can either purchase the track or become a Napster subscriber. As a subscriber, you can download an unlimited number of full-length songs to your PC." How does this work, exactly? How did Napster manage to get a license from audio copyright holders to provide users with unlimited access to 2 million songs for $14.95 a month? I'm usually on the up-and-up about this kind of stuff, but I realize I am quite out of the loop here.

By: mr_roboto

mr_roboto — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:07:22 -0800

Pontius Pilate writes "How did Napster manage to get a license from audio copyright holders to provide users with unlimited access to 2 million songs for $14.95 a month?" The access goes away when you end your subscription, if that makes anything clearer. You don't get to keep listening to the music you've downloaded unless you keep your Napster subscription current.

By: yhbc

yhbc — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:14:24 -0800

Ah, so it's the pr0n-movie-clip business model applied to music. Um, from what I can tell. Based on what I've heard.

By: Pontius Pilate

Pontius Pilate — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:21:11 -0800

Thank you for the clarification. Hmm. How does the song termination work, if you know? I am assuming that it is possible to listen to the songs offline and on an MP3 player, which would imply that your computer does not query the Napster servers at every play to make sure that you have an active license to listen to the song. So how does Napster remove your ability from listening to the music you had previously downloaded and burned on CDs, loaded on an MP3 player, and so forth?

By: George_Spiggott

George_Spiggott — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:21:18 -0800

This addresses Napster's problem of staying on good terms with the RIAA. What it doesn't do is explain why I need to change my music buying and listening practices in order to solve Napster's business problem. My problem as a consumer is the RIAA, and how to get rid of them, not how to help Napster make them happy so they can both go on existing. Any business model that allows the RIAA go to on being an unnecessary and gouging intermediary between performer and listener is just a new spin on a moribund arrangement; heroic life-support for a roughly 90-year-old distribution model whose time has passed.

By: TimeFactor

TimeFactor — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:29:25 -0800

Being the YouTube of music (i.e. "OMG! You have 2 check this out! here's the link [link to napster]") might be a valuable position to be in. Maybe. YouTube doesn't seem to be making any money. But it doesn't look like sending a Napster link will work for recipients who aren't registered. I'd think streaming a lower quality to everyone (with ads to defray costs and with a link to buy) would be a better implementation. So far I can't get it to work consistently. Many songs just won't play. That's really a deal-killer. And defeating play limits should be trivial because it's browser based (delete cookies, sign up for new account)

By: edgeways

edgeways — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:36:38 -0800

Around and around Napster won't die, won't flourish Kill R.I.A.A

By: meehawl

meehawl — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:40:47 -0800

heroic life-support for a roughly 90-year-old distribution model whose time has passed. See also: downhillbattle.org/itunes downhillbattle.org/napster

By: cellphone

cellphone — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:41:30 -0800

By: Debaser626

Debaser626 — Mon, 01 May 2006 19:57:27 -0800

that's clever. really clever... and also blue...

By: TimeFactor

TimeFactor — Mon, 01 May 2006 20:14:02 -0800

Apparently non-registered users will only get a 30-second excerpt when they click on a link. The Flashblock Firefox extension seems to disrupt the preliminary handshaking sequence and that explains why I've had trouble getting songs to play consistently. I'll find it useful just for checking stuff out but it'll have to get in line behind usenet, bittorrent, all of mp3, or mp3 center for actual downloading. So I give it a meh.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Mon, 01 May 2006 20:21:48 -0800

I think its time Shawn Fanning got himself a goddamned real job. This is a stupid business model that will not work. I thought VC guys had wised up on stupid ideas after the bubble burst? Drop me an email when Napster gives away free blowjobs with their music without the stupid limitations.

By: ericb

ericb — Mon, 01 May 2006 20:24:45 -0800

By: loquacious

loquacious — Mon, 01 May 2006 20:54:08 -0800

What the hell is Napster? And who would willingly choose such a stupid name? Some grabass of a freshman CompSci major, I'd wager.

By: delmoi

delmoi — Mon, 01 May 2006 21:05:15 -0800

Being the YouTube of music (i.e. "OMG! You have 2 check this out! here's the link [link to napster]") might be a valuable position to be in. Except that myspace has that down.

By: Tlogmer

Tlogmer — Mon, 01 May 2006 21:43:28 -0800

I'll probably use it some -- they have a playlist put together by Blondie, for example. (Thought that playlist isn't as exciting as it could be because the sound quality sucks.)

By: puke & cry

puke & cry — Mon, 01 May 2006 21:44:46 -0800

Didn't they name napster after a hedgehog? Or maybe it was the nickname of the creator, for being so nappy.

By: lightweight

lightweight — Mon, 01 May 2006 21:53:02 -0800

Not very creative for a company in their position. How about a Netflix or Zip distribution approach to music...cmon.

By: puke & cry

puke & cry — Mon, 01 May 2006 21:55:36 -0800

checking on rotten, I see that it was indeed named after the creator, because of his nappy hair.

By: TimeFactor

TimeFactor — Mon, 01 May 2006 22:01:40 -0800

Except that myspace has that down. Not at all, at least not in the way that I meant. Yes, there's music on myspace but it isn't the central repository for music on the web the way that YouTube has become for video. It has no facilities to search for music except music by musicians who have myspace sites. Good luck finding songs by Wes Montgomery, Hermans Hermits, or Youssou N'Dour on myspace but I can find and post links to videos on YouTube of each of them in a couple of minutes.

By: shoepal

shoepal — Mon, 01 May 2006 22:56:55 -0800

I've been listening for a couple days now (they had planes circling Coachella with adverts). I rather like it. I don't know about the business plan but I never paid Napster any mind until the other day, so their plan is currently working. Will it make them any money? no clue. But, like youtube, I'm enjoying what they have to offer while it is available.

By: Justinian

Justinian — Tue, 02 May 2006 00:20:43 -0800

I'm still unclear about the Napster subscription thing. What stops you from recording the files as a straight MP3 when you download it?

By: salmacis

salmacis — Tue, 02 May 2006 00:55:13 -0800

Once again, USA only. Yawn.

By: Funmonkey1

Funmonkey1 — Tue, 02 May 2006 04:35:12 -0800

timefactor - isn't the songs you are looking for akin to your intellectual prowness? I mean really...Come on. Try something that appeals to the MTV or VH1 crows instead.

By: reklaw

reklaw — Tue, 02 May 2006 04:35:16 -0800

Um, this isn't the old Napster, or really anything to do with it at all (no Shawn Fanning, no employees in common, etc.). It's just some company (Roxio?) that bought Napster's logo and brand at auction when the real Napster went bust.

By: Funmonkey1

Funmonkey1 — Tue, 02 May 2006 04:36:02 -0800

I meant crowds, not crows....Damn keyboard.

By: MrZero

MrZero — Tue, 02 May 2006 05:48:31 -0800

How much does it cost to purchase a song? I realize that you can have unlimited downloads with a subscription, but if you want to keep any songs after ending the subscription, you have to purchase them separately. How much?

By: andrewraff

andrewraff — Tue, 02 May 2006 08:03:40 -0800

How does the song termination work, if you know? I am assuming that it is possible to listen to the songs offline and on an MP3 player, which would imply that your computer does not query the Napster servers at every play to make sure that you have an active license to listen to the song. So how does Napster remove your ability from listening to the music you had previously downloaded and burned on CDs, loaded on an MP3 player, and so forth? Napster-to-Go uses Microsoft's Janus DRM, which queries the server every so often to see that you are still subscribed. If you are not subscribed, or your computer (and WMA player) does not validate itself with the server, you can not continue to play the tracks you have stored on your computer or WMA player.

By: youarenothere

youarenothere — Tue, 02 May 2006 10:17:44 -0800

Shawn Fanning has a real job.

By: mullingitover

mullingitover — Tue, 02 May 2006 10:42:31 -0800

Meh. Call me when AudioGalaxy goes opt-out again.

By: TimeFactor

TimeFactor — Tue, 02 May 2006 13:53:54 -0800

Funmonkey1: isn't the songs you are looking for akin to your intellectual prowness? I mean really...Come on. Try something that appeals to the MTV or VH1 crows instead. I didn't think anyone'd have trouble finding Franz Ferdinand, Shakira or Kanye West on Napster or YouTube or MySpace. But I was wrong; I can't find Kanye West on MySpace. (But I can find all six artists I've named on Napster and YouTube) My original point stands: MySpace isn't a useful tool if you want to post or send a link to a song by any artist, mass-market or obscure, present or past. I was wondering if Napster might fill this role but you can only send a link to an excerpt to someone who isn't also registered so, no, it can't fill that role.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Tue, 02 May 2006 14:00:34 -0800

This is actually pretty neat. Quality is a bit crappy, but it's a nice option for full length previews of a song. I'm surprised how much they ripped off the iTMS look though. Well, not surprised, but you know what I mean.

By: ericb

ericb — Tue, 02 May 2006 14:51:48 -0800

From today's WSJ: "Where Are They Now: Shawn Fanning --The Poster Boy for Online Music Piracy Tries to Put the P2P Genie Back in the Bottle"