Comments on: Missing man's pack rescues lost hikers

Missing man's pack rescues lost hikers

445supermag — Thu, 11 May 2006 09:12:25 -0800

Allen, 24, and Brandon Day, 28, of Dallas, were in Southern California for a financial convention. They got lost Saturday west of Palm Springs after wandering off a trail during what was supposed to be a day hike. [On the third day] they discovered a campsite in a dead-end gorge. Day and Allen were elated, thinking someone there could help them find the way out. But something was wrong. A radio and flashlight were corroded. They realized the place was deserted. ``His last journal entry was one year ago to the day that we found it, which was very eerie,' Day said. ``Nobody knew where he was, nobody knew to come looking for him, so he was preparing for the end. We were looking at the words of a man who was passing.' The missing man was John Donovan, who had disapeared a year earlier while hiking the pacific crest trail. "Even in his death, he was helping people," Donovan's longtime friend, Chris Hook, said from Richmond, Virginia.

By: sfts2

sfts2 — Thu, 11 May 2006 09:17:34 -0800

Hey, you know what is even weirder? His birthday was today. Coincidence? I think not! I'm wonderingso how this story becomes a little less warm and fuzzy if the brushfire they start to get rescued burns out of control for 6 weeks and destroys hundreds of homes. Glad to see they got out though.

By: jne1813

jne1813 — Thu, 11 May 2006 09:23:15 -0800

who...that's chilling.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Thu, 11 May 2006 09:23:57 -0800

Wow, crazy story. I knew the PCT could be tough, but I hadn't heard of anyone dying on their first trip out. I guess it helps to go with a partner instead of alone. Also, taking off in April is a bit early and it's not surprising that he got hit with snows in May. His trip through the Sierra a month later would have been treacherous as well.

By: Mean Mr. Bucket

Mean Mr. Bucket — Thu, 11 May 2006 09:27:13 -0800

I wonder if they would have died had not Donovan died before them.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Thu, 11 May 2006 09:30:46 -0800

It's viral marketing for Blair Witch 3.

By: setanor

setanor — Thu, 11 May 2006 09:34:41 -0800

More like a sequel to Gerry.

By: cosmicbandito

cosmicbandito — Thu, 11 May 2006 10:19:59 -0800

I smell a cooked up story....

By: Crash

Crash — Thu, 11 May 2006 10:31:27 -0800

If the story is true, they did just about everything wrong. If you're lost in the wilderness and people know you're lost, you're best bet for survival is to stay in one place. Wandering around like that is the best way to die.

By: airguitar

airguitar — Thu, 11 May 2006 10:34:46 -0800

I don't understand how people get lost in the woods on a day hike, especially if the sun is out. Just turn around. Use the trail. Pay attention.

By: srw12

srw12 — Thu, 11 May 2006 10:45:32 -0800

airguitar, on the segment I saw about this on whatever morning news show I was watching, the woman says she saw a waterfall she thought was "not that far away" so they decided to try and hike to it, off the beaten path. Although, paying attention definitely applies. Even if you leave the marked trail, I would think one could note landmarks as one passes them

By: Corpus Callosum

Corpus Callosum — Thu, 11 May 2006 10:47:24 -0800

By: dreamsign

dreamsign — Thu, 11 May 2006 10:53:22 -0800

But something was wrong. A radio and flashlight were corroded. They realized the place was deserted.

By: weston

weston — Thu, 11 May 2006 10:57:01 -0800

I don't understand how people get lost in the woods on a day hike, especially if the sun is out. Just turn around. Use the trail. Pay attention. Trails sometimes branch and aren't blocked or marked properly, or there's a deer trail that looks like where you're going if you're not paying attention, or an old streambed. Things look different coming from the opposite direction -- there's lots of ways to get confused. I got confused like that once on a mountain hike, and by the time I figured out I was not on the trail, there was no easy way to find it again. I *did* find it again after 4-5 hours of exhausting up and down on a steep slope on a hot August afternoon, and I was fortunate that I could also see civilization from the mountainside, which was heartening ... but I won't lightly forget that feeling of how easy it was to suddenly find oneself without a clear way back to civilization and the web of resources most of us depend on. I wasn't inexperienced when I did this -- I'd been a hiker for years. Of course, now that I've made some of the mistakes involved with getting lost, I'm more experienced, a little more wary and alert when hiking, and that's probably saved me some trouble since. Maybe some people are just like that initially and don't get lost. Maybe some people have to get lost once or twice to get to that point. But it's something that could happen to anyone, I think.

By: dithered

dithered — Thu, 11 May 2006 11:08:40 -0800

One of the few survival tips I remember is, when lost, to follow running water downstream. The story says that by doing so, the two ended up in a dead-end ravine. First, how I don't really understand this. Second, what are other cases where following water will put you in a worse position? Granted you tend to get closer to civilization by going down to valley bottoms where people tend to live or roads tend to be. But slopes aren't always gradual. In mountainous terrain, a stream can become a waterfall and, after commiting yourself to following a particular line, you might be tempted to continue and climb down a wet, slippery, exposed, eroding cliff. There are gullies on the local ski hills (Vancouver, Canada) named after those who have died trying to follow them down after going out of bounds. In other cases, the stream might go underground or might led to a trapped pond with no outflow. Even if you manage to get to the valley bottom, plant growth tends to be lusher meaning slower progress and no-one can see you from the air.

By: dhartung

dhartung — Thu, 11 May 2006 11:10:00 -0800

Apparently they took the Palm Springs Aerial Tramway, which starts at the edge of civilization here and ~15 minutes later deposits you here. You've gone from mallworld to the High Country. There seem to be copious warnings about staying on designated trails and people seem to get missing there fairly often but are usually found. Anyway, from what I've understood, just the fact that they were two people instead of one increased their chances of survival considerably.

By: Megafly

Megafly — Thu, 11 May 2006 11:19:52 -0800

I can't believe they went hiking in an area covered by cell towers without their phones. Turn it off, but take it just in case somebody breaks their leg.

By: Corpus Callosum

Corpus Callosum — Thu, 11 May 2006 11:31:18 -0800

Thanks Dithered- Does this mean that following water is a poor technique? Does this change depending on whether someone knows where you are in general?

By: taosbat

taosbat — Thu, 11 May 2006 11:59:21 -0800

If you're lost in the wilderness and people know you're lost, you're best bet for survival is to stay in one place. Wandering around like that is the best way to die. posted by Crash Corpus Callosum, that's the best advice. Spend your time trying to make yourself noticable and comfortable as soon as you realize you're lost. It's very dangerous to play with fire. It's not a good idea to go into the wilderness alone &/or without someone knowing when you left, where you are supposed to be, and when you're expected back.

By: Crash

Crash — Thu, 11 May 2006 12:07:01 -0800

I was actually just there (Mt. San Jacinto State Park) last Tuesday. Basically, you drive/bus from the desert floor (a couple hundred feet above sea level?) to the tramway, ~2500 ft up (apologies for not using the metric system). Then you take the tram to 8500 feet, up an extremely rocky mountain (and if you're off trail, probably would require climbing gear to get down). The back of the mountain opens up to the long valley. This is the start of 50+ miles of back country. I can see how someone could possible get lost, sinc the majority of the area is pretty clear. If you intentionally went off trail, you might not be able to easily pick it back up. It's much easier than getting lost of the AT, which is blazed every 10-15 feet. If there's cell phone coverage at all, it's only by the top of the tram. A couple of miles away with a mountain peak or two in between, and I doubt a cell phone would have helped. Corpus, following the water in this case would be a big mistake and would take you away from the tram. Again, the correct action when lost is to stay put. If you do decide to start a fire, the international distress symbol is 3 fires (one will be mistaken as a camp-fire). Lighting a large field on fire, as done in this case, will get you noticed but can quickly rage out of control.

By: taosbat

taosbat — Thu, 11 May 2006 12:08:18 -0800

PS. If you keep the above in mind, you'll never have to find out if following water is a good idea. That depends on the circumstances...following a stream will work more often than not...so will ascending a reasonable-sized ridge (so you can see and be seen)... Some of the worst fires of the last few years have been started by lost folks signalling for help. In some cases, I think their lack of preparation is so gross it's criminal.

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Thu, 11 May 2006 12:21:50 -0800

"I don't understand how people get lost in the woods on a day hike, especially if the sun is out." Sure, it was only a three-hour tour, but the weather started getting rough! All I can think of is that it would be kinda cool to go up there and set up a nice, cozy little yurt in that ravine. Who'd notice? No neighbors for miles! And once a year, you could help someone out with directions. Rent free, creekside California living!

By: bim

bim — Thu, 11 May 2006 17:51:32 -0800

No map or trail guide especially in an unfamiliar area, underdressed, no food, did they even have water? Yikes! And while you can get lost due to a poorly marked trail (been there, done that), these two folks were an accident looking for a place to happen.

By: geoff.

geoff. — Thu, 11 May 2006 18:30:05 -0800

I'm not a camper or a hiker, but if I take a day trip the bare minimum is water and GPS. Really this is the 21st century this shouldn't happen with just the slightlest preperation.

By: PareidoliaticBoy

PareidoliaticBoy — Thu, 11 May 2006 23:01:00 -0800

Morons. Solid gold-plated, two-fisted, dyed-in-the wool , 100% complete, total, morons. Both of 'em. In fact ... I'm thinkin' that all of you dips should frikken well stay home playin' GTA, or some such cack. Whatever. Just keep the hell OUT of the backcountry. Seriously. The whole frikken ot of yas.

By: grapefruitmoon

grapefruitmoon — Fri, 12 May 2006 21:40:07 -0800

I think it's kind of sad that a post about a really bizarre coincidence that is pretty neat and kinda life-affirming has turned into dumping on the lost hikers for being morans. I'm just going to add that I think it's a pretty cool story and I hope that the journals and such have found their way to Donovan's family.

By: ionesco

ionesco — Mon, 15 May 2006 16:53:59 -0800

I concure...Very intriguing story and I'll think twice about not being prepared whilst hiking...I just love it when people get all bunched up in the panties over "how they would do things differently..." It's easy to make blanketed judgements after the fact...Fricken Crocodile Dundee...