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"The right man to lead the CIA at this critical moment in our nation's history." (youtube) A nice catch by The Daily Show.
posted by hypersloth (49 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

 
I am getting sooooooo confused. Daily show --> checking past records, giving a hard look at my world.
Mainstream press --> sleeping through... everything from Corbert's Press corps dinner hammering of GWB to CIA torture exports.
Who's is really committing journalism these days?
posted by cccorlew at 12:03 AM on May 14, 2006


Oh, yeah, Jon Stewart and his crack staff gave a real hard look by noting that a President used similar words and phrases when nominating two people for high-level positions.

Cripes, Presidents use "stock phrases' for all kinds of occasions. This isn't MeFi-worthy, and not even YouTube-worthy.
posted by davidmsc at 12:08 AM on May 14, 2006 [1 favorite]


davidmsc - So, that whole Steven Colbert thing, not funny?
posted by Artw at 12:12 AM on May 14, 2006


But, you see, that was a different critical moment in this nation's history.

Well, I liked it hypersloth. That gave me the laugh I needed while watching a rather crappy SNL tonight.
posted by bcveen at 12:12 AM on May 14, 2006


The first person he said it about was Porter Goss, who recently resigned over hookers or leaking or something. Now he said it about this guy. It's interesting because it exposes what a horrible judge of character W. is.
posted by pg at 12:15 AM on May 14, 2006


Maybe a "via Reddit" for the "nice catch"? Or was the phrasing a coincidence a day later?
posted by cgc373 at 12:28 AM on May 14, 2006


cgc373: Correct. My bad.

But hey, I didn't know the "via" was obligatory, and at least in my case, using a phrase verbatim wasn't from my own previous (and thanks to TiVo, not forgotten) words.
That, and I'd like to hold the President to a higher standard than myself.. :)
posted by hypersloth at 12:34 AM on May 14, 2006


I think the via is more an honorable acknowledgement than obligitory. At least I don't remember seeing it in the site FAQ. I'll admit, I'm far from being the final arbitrer of MetaEtiquette.
posted by JHarris at 1:04 AM on May 14, 2006


I liked it, especially since I don't get Comedy Central. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me, though. I mean, I don't expect him to remember every speech that he didn't write, but someone must have copied and pasted, and didn't bother to use the ol' thesaurus.
posted by hoborg at 1:05 AM on May 14, 2006


nice.
posted by blacklite at 1:18 AM on May 14, 2006


Lame. "Bush's speechwriters do not appear to use a thesaurus, may recycle parts of old speeches. News at 11." Who cares.
posted by Pontius Pilate at 1:29 AM on May 14, 2006


Cripes, Presidents use "stock phrases' for all kinds of occasions.

I, however, had been given to understand that Bush was different -- not one of them silver-tongued liberal politicians who says one thing but means another. That he was the president of honest delivery and honest americans. No political theater, he's just one of us folks, just like any American, with an honest heart, a steely resolve, and a fine drawl.

In fact, I'll bet he is. And he probably said some other things and both occasions that were very, very different from each other. It's just that Jon Stewart, like the rest of the liberal media, knows how to twist the President's words and take them out of context.

This isn't MeFi-worthy

Probably true.

and not even YouTube-worthy.

Uh... yeah. Now you're definitely reaching.
posted by namespan at 1:32 AM on May 14, 2006


It's a good post because it's a reminder that what the president says means nothing. He probably knew little or nothing about the previous appointee and knows little or nothing about the current appointee. He says what a writer tells him to say, and that writer writes fiction.

More importantly, it's a good post because it's funny.
posted by pracowity at 1:40 AM on May 14, 2006 [1 favorite]


Cripes, Presidents use "stock phrases' for all kinds of occasions. This isn't MeFi-worthy, and not even YouTube-worthy.

durr durr durr, look who's back like the town idiot. It's davidmsc! Watch out boys and girls, he just might shit on a thread of your own one of these days!
posted by Dean Keaton at 1:55 AM on May 14, 2006


DavidMC, If you thought the above posted Daily Show Clip was week, then you'll surely revel at how shallow the entire Daily Show analysis on the Goss "resignation" really is.

For you shallow types guffawing at this Daily Show piece, remember, half the world is gunning for the US in the biggest way while President Bozo goes throught the motions of running a country without any remote semblance of competency.
posted by Fupped Duck at 2:02 AM on May 14, 2006


I saw a single link video post and I thought it would be worthless, but actually, I'm glad someone pointed this out.
posted by tiamat at 2:03 AM on May 14, 2006


The via's definitely just a suggestion, hypersloth, not a hard rule. MetaFilter's not a hard-rule kinda situation, aside from self-links on the front page. No worries!
posted by cgc373 at 2:48 AM on May 14, 2006


I used to think the Daily Show was hilarious until people actually started taking it seriously. Doesn't Jon Stewart ever get bored with cracking jokes at clips of boring gov't press conferences?
posted by b_thinky at 3:12 AM on May 14, 2006


this is not even internet worthy! wah!
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 3:32 AM on May 14, 2006


Now let's see that from an realistic angle, shall we ?

Bush uttered the same words he used in almost exactly the same circumstances, the only significant differences being : a different director and a different point in time, and others I may be undervaluing. I concur with David that using the same speechwriter (hey they aren't highly paid, what do you expect, Paulo Coelho ?) and almost the same speech isn't a "big deal", expecially the angle "Bush doesn't care about speechwriting" is sooooooo republican turned democrat because he knows the boat is sinking, better keep an eye for the next winner boat..just in case.

Let's focus on probably more solid facts like..is it normal to change CIA directors that frequently ? Doesn't that suggest that the CIA is just a revolving mess..something convenient if you want to blame CIA for "bad intelligence" gathering ? Or maybe changing a director may suggest that you need one that is willing to gather in a sloppy, spinned, falsified BUT convenient way ? Or maybe the current ex-director , partisan hack or not, tought it was better to let somebody else do the shit job.
posted by elpapacito at 3:55 AM on May 14, 2006


Structure is strategy in slow motion.
posted by hypersloth at 4:15 AM on May 14, 2006


elpacito- Ummm sure. But this post wasn't about those 'solid facts'. It's about the comedy show. Really, calm down.
posted by IronLizard at 4:25 AM on May 14, 2006


ironlizard: don't try the condescending "calm down it's only a joke" with me , it doesn't work. If it is only a joke and nothing else, why do you care so much ?
posted by elpapacito at 5:18 AM on May 14, 2006


Cause it was funny.
posted by ludwig_van at 5:58 AM on May 14, 2006


I liked it. Not a deep post, but as far as 10 second daily show clip posts go, pretty funny.
posted by justkevin at 6:09 AM on May 14, 2006


It's a sad state of affairs when classic irony goes unrecognized. It might not be -wrong- to use the same words in a different context, but it's certainly funny. Thumbs up!

It would also be funny to hear Bush utter the famous, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." I could even stand a reprise of his "Wrong war, wrong time" diatribe from the '04 debates; that's gotta be an all-time kneeslapper. Do you think he does requests from the audience--citizens, I mean?
posted by anotherpanacea at 6:42 AM on May 14, 2006


If it's sub-FPP material, flag it or go to MeTa.

People wouldn't take Stewart as seriously as they do if the real press were doing their jobs. He's said it's "fake news", but his show seems to catch many whoppers that go unnoted elsewhere (on TV).
posted by trondant at 6:43 AM on May 14, 2006


It might not be -wrong- to use the same words in a different context

Using "critical moment" twice (or, in fact, continually) is pretty much fundamentally wrong.
posted by cillit bang at 6:52 AM on May 14, 2006


what do you expect, Paulo Coelho ?

Neat! Thanks for reminding me there's at least one writer out there with more simplistic, pointless, and overrated ideas than Bush's speechwriter!
posted by kittyprecious at 7:15 AM on May 14, 2006


It takes so little effort to make sure you haven't fed your adoring 30% the same exact bullshit before. The rest of us aren't buying his pandering smugness. Those still downing the kool-aid deserve a little freshness and originality to accompany their complete separation from reality.
posted by i_am_a_Jedi at 7:17 AM on May 14, 2006


Oh, yeah, Jon Stewart and his crack staff gave a real hard look by noting that a President used similar words and phrases when nominating two people for high-level positions.
posted by davidmsc
Similar?
posted by Happy Monkey at 7:40 AM on May 14, 2006


um, saying the same thing twice was kind of lame, right?

There is a reason Mr. Stewart is a God on this sad, cold, rock we call a planet.
posted by my homunculus is drowning at 7:52 AM on May 14, 2006


Bush judges people with his gut...too bad his gut is rotten from all that moonshine.

Let's review some of the 'characters' Bush has so "supremely" misjudged:

- Michael "Heckuva' Job" Brownie
- Vladimir "Kind Soul" Putin Or "Pootie-Poot"
- Bernard "Love Nest/Illegal Nanny" Kerik
- Harriet "Abe Fortas" Miers
- Porter "Porkin' em" Goss
- George "Slam Dunk" Tenet

(I know there's more....)

Maybe he needs to start selecting/judging people based on merit, intelligence, performance and skill, rather than following that abstract tingling in his midriff.
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 8:31 AM on May 14, 2006


This one wasn't that great. Earlier this week, when they ran the footage of Rumsfeld on Meet the Press saying we know where the WMDs are? You know, the statement that he categorically denied making about a week ago? that was sweet. Or it would be, if it had actually made any fucking difference.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 9:00 AM on May 14, 2006 [1 favorite]


Ha, that clip is good, PST.
posted by ludwig_van at 9:21 AM on May 14, 2006


Yeah, PST that was a better clip. Still, apathy rules.
posted by graventy at 9:32 AM on May 14, 2006


kittyprecious writes "what do you expect, Paulo Coelho ?

"Neat! Thanks for reminding me there's at least one writer out there with more simplistic, pointless, and overrated ideas than Bush's speechwriter!"


And with one more Nobel Prize you still haven't won :) as far as I know. But hey, isn't Nobel is for sissies and corrupted media ? Of course you have less simplistic, less pointless and less overrated ideas , but they are secret and you can't share with us :D Oh lucky us we have you !
posted by elpapacito at 10:53 AM on May 14, 2006


And with one more Nobel Prize you still haven't won :) as far as I know.

Paulo Coelho is not a Nobel laureate.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 11:00 AM on May 14, 2006


Or at least I couldn't find him through the Laureate search on the Noble Prize site.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 11:02 AM on May 14, 2006


Er, Nobel. Stupid sort of homophones.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 11:03 AM on May 14, 2006


The whole past 6 years have been a broken record of endless suggestions that everyone must go along with what Bush says or the world will end.
posted by xammerboy at 11:21 AM on May 14, 2006


PinkStainlessTail : you are correct he didn't win a Nobel (not yet or maybe ever). My fault !
posted by elpapacito at 12:12 PM on May 14, 2006


PinkStainlessTail: Great clip. I especially enjoy "They're in the area east south north and west of there, somewhat."

SOMEWHAT? That's ALL of the cardinal directions. That means they're ANYWHERE. Or, as it happened to be, NOWHERE.

Christ on toast. Five minutes of the Daily Show and I'm already hepped up. This is why I don't have TV.
posted by grapefruitmoon at 1:50 PM on May 14, 2006


Maybe he needs to start selecting/judging people based on merit, intelligence, performance and skill

No one selected the President by those standards so why should he select anyone that way? Do unto others and all that.
posted by ryoshu at 2:25 PM on May 14, 2006


elpapacito writes "ironlizard: don't try the condescending 'calm down it's only a joke' with me , it doesn't work. If it is only a joke and nothing else, why do you care so much ?"

I don't. That's the point. I'm care about YOU, elpacito. Need to watch that BP, you know. The stress fractures in your keyboard attest to a heightened level of stress that is simply unhealthy and I don't have time to be signing get well cards for you.
That's what happens when you mistake sarcasm for condescenscion and humor for real news reports.
Funny how telling someone to calm down has the opposite effect, isn't it?
We already know Bush is an idiot, this is funny because of his complete and miserable failure in appointing competent subordinates. So, he replaces one incompetent with another and signifies it (to those 'in the know') by using the same bland and untrue phrases during the announcement. See? Irony. It's funny. News, it isn't.
posted by IronLizard at 2:47 PM on May 14, 2006


Is anyone else amused by how Bush's supporters don't even SUPPORT him any more? In the last few months, I've been hard pressed to hear an actual *defense* of anything the man has said and done.

Instead, all they do is launch ad hominem attacks on anyone who questions him.

I mean, it's just getting sad. A couple years ago, at least I could expect some level of pseudo-intellectual discourse on the values of gunboat diplomacy or an attempt to find numbers demonstrating a rise in actual threat to Americans. Now, it's just, "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU - YOU STUPID POOPY PANTS!"

Seriously. Why not just back up and think WHY you support the guy. Work it out. Diagram it if you need to. And if you can't come up with any LOGICAL reasons for doing so... perhaps it's time to admit you're cheering for the wrong team.
posted by InnocentBystander at 2:53 PM on May 14, 2006


Wow -- while scanning the FPP, I thought the "catch" was that Bush called him the right MAN for the job. Apparently, no one else finds that interesting...not now, and not the first time he said it about Goss. Shouldn't he be picking the right PERSON for the job?
posted by equipoise at 3:52 PM on May 14, 2006


No, sorry. That isn't interesting. Both men are, well, men.
posted by rxrfrx at 4:13 PM on May 14, 2006


The habit of combining fatal adjectives with innocent nouns is interesting.
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