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This guy thinks the XBox will kill off PC gaming.
January 10, 2001 8:05 PM   Subscribe

This guy thinks the XBox will kill off PC gaming. He also thinks the XBox is "one of the most important events in gaming in the next decade". Whew!
posted by Steven Den Beste (17 comments total)

 
I think this guy has lost the plot. The more i read the more it looked like a glorified pc. I did not know it is going to run Windows 2000, now i know there is no way i'm going to consider it.
posted by Zool at 8:52 PM on January 10, 2001


Kill off PC gaming? I dunno...I can't imagine playing Quake without a keyboard. Or (especially) Descent.
posted by CrayDrygu at 10:15 PM on January 10, 2001


I agree, the Xbox looks great, but I don't think that we should jump to any conclusions. The thing isn't even out yet!
posted by Bag Man at 10:22 PM on January 10, 2001


Its too bad that the Game cube is a hell lot better than the xbox, check out ign for the stats on those to and ps2
posted by Goonan at 10:29 PM on January 10, 2001


Yeah! Wheeew!
posted by jessie at 10:43 PM on January 10, 2001


The guy claims the XBox has everything PC gaming has. What about user-created mods? What about pirated shit? What about a simple mouse?! Is this thing hardware-upgradable?

So it mentions the ability to dl maps created by other users, which sounds pretty limited. And if it's actually not that limited, it sort of opens the window for viruses and cracking.

Consoles can NEVER be as versitile as PC's. Not to mention the difference in depth involved with PC games vs console games.

And when they compare prices, they are taking a PC monitor into account and they aren't taking a TV set or HDTV into account, so all price comparisons are invalid.

I have no doubt that the XBox could easily be the best console ever created but nothing can ever fully match PC gaming.
posted by grank at 10:56 PM on January 10, 2001


Console gaming is better than PC gaming-- my tandy runs windows2000 now and the games still suck.

taking the debate to another level,
chaz
posted by chaz at 2:23 AM on January 11, 2001


Look, console gaming and PC gaming are different things, ofcourse they are coming close and closer together. And, right now, the PC is closer to taking over the console arena. There is no way in hell any console will be able to replace the pc, even in gaming, the same jerks touted this for Playstation 2, where they said 20 years off we'd have the play station instead of the PC. Yeah, right.

- Felix 'I would really love to see the weak PS2 put against a PC with a ge2ultra"
posted by tiaka at 6:00 AM on January 11, 2001


I think this guy's argument is pointless. "PC Killer" consoles have been talked about for far too long. The PC will remain a viable gaming machine for many, many reasons.

What's even the point of arguing that a console's going to kill the PC gaming experience? Especially for someone who makes money writing about video games.

Regarding the mod scene, grank, he does address that in the article. It's actually of of of the things that indicate to me exactly how far off base he is. He talks about how the PC is going to be required for people to create their mods.

CrayDrygu, I haven't played Quake without a keyboard, but I have Played UT for the PS2, and the controls are okay. I do still prefer my keyboard and mouse, but the N64 Controller (yes, I still have my hard on for it :-) and the controller mapping for GoldenEye and Perfect Dark are phenominal, and would work for many a FPS.
posted by cCranium at 6:34 AM on January 11, 2001


For what it's worth, I absolutley HATE the N64 controller. I'll take the PS controller any day. What the world really needs is some sort of modular controller that can be adapted to an individual's preferences--not just a "programmable" controller where you assign the buttons, but something truly customizable.
posted by jpoulos at 6:41 AM on January 11, 2001


cC - I haven't played Quake without a keyboard either, but I've given some thought to what it'd be like. Let's take your (apparently erotic...rumble pack?) N64 controller. I need to be able to:

Look up/down, turn left/right. Joystick
Move forwards/back, strafe left/right. C-buttons
Fire. R
Rapidly switch weapons. B
Jump. Z
Climb down. No good choice...probably the D-pad down

That's the best configuration I can think of. It allows me to do multiple things at once (say, circle-strafe and jump while aiming and firing) without moving my fingers too much. But there's still limitations. For aiming, for example, the joystick is obviously the best choice, but since it's so small, the movement is limited -- either I can do a quick 180 but make small turns (and thus, aiming) difficult, or I can get refined aiming but take too long to change directions. Also, I can't just hit a button and go to a specific weapon. I need to cycle.

Now, with Descent? Forget it! In addition to the above, you need to be able to tilt left/right, fire flares, fire and cycle a secondary weapon, use items...console controllers just don't have enough buttons. And don't get me started on MechWarrior...I haven't played it in a long time, but I hear current versions make use of almost every key on your keyboard.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking consoles. I love my PSX. But there will *always* be games on the PC, because it has a different set of advantages and limitations.
posted by CrayDrygu at 8:17 AM on January 11, 2001


I haven't played Descent, so I'll happily take your word on it, and I prefer Z for shooting in GoldenEye & Perfect Dark, but that's probably personal bias.

And cycling for weapons is a pain in the ass, good point.

I definitely agree with you that PCs and consoles are both good, and both going to exist.

I'm not sure what makes me love the N64 gamepad so, to be honest, it just fits my hands perfectly, and the N64 games work so well with it, I want to use it everywhere. I've played N64 for over 24 hours straight (well, bathroom and food breaks :-) at times, with no crampage.

jpolous: I wish some no-name company would start making controllers for all platforms that are shaped like PSX controllers, and N64 controllers, and Dreamcast controllers. What would completely rock (though I've no idea how feasible) would be a dongle to adapt to and from all platforms.
posted by cCranium at 8:36 AM on January 11, 2001


Here's a guy who thinks the other dude is full of it.

Actually, I think they're both off base.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 10:12 AM on January 11, 2001


I sorry Steven, but I don't see the connection. The link you posted leads to a clarification about a rant regarding needing a computer to get a cable modem. Am I missing something?
posted by cCranium at 10:42 AM on January 11, 2001


What he's saying is that the XBox won't do all the things the other guys says because it's fundamentally crippled; and that the hard disk has the effect of partially eliminating the one big advantage consoles have: consistent execution environments. I think those are valid points.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 10:53 AM on January 11, 2001


Competitive analysis: XBox versus Sex.

Sex controllers break into two separate groups:
Male: One button -- overly simplistic control
Female: Many buttons -- no existing manual


posted by Steven Den Beste at 10:55 AM on January 11, 2001


okay, that's really weird, the first time I followed that link it went somewhere else. I clicked again just now, and it works fine.

Curious. Or hallucination. Preferably the first.
posted by cCranium at 12:15 PM on January 11, 2001


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