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[TV Guide Filter] Tonight on Frontline: The Dark Side. An in-depth look at Dick Cheney's battle with the intelligence community to shape the War on Terror. From Boston.com's preview: "Frontline" delivers a devastating look tonight at the efforts of Vice President Dick Cheney to gain control of the war on terror after 9/11. In doing so, the show purports, he compromised the integrity of America's intelligence system. Check your local listings.
posted by justkevin (37 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

 
[outrage fatigue]
posted by parallax7d at 4:37 PM on June 20, 2006


I mentioned this in another thread, but the Seattle Times review also carries a nicely detailed summary.
posted by Superfrankenstein at 4:42 PM on June 20, 2006


There's also this book that we just talked about. I doubt this has any new info I haven't seen before. Plus frontline is a pile of bullshit fear mongering anyway. Who can take them seriously after then "ZOMG PORNZ!!!" episode.
posted by delmoi at 4:58 PM on June 20, 2006


I like how even critical news organizations refer to Cheney trying to "gain control on the War on Terror," when the war on terror as a concept itself is created and shaped by the man and his ilk. The "War on Terror" was a sham from the beginning, not some noble cause that was hijacked by Chenmeister.
posted by cell divide at 5:10 PM on June 20, 2006


it's a way of spinning it to save face for themselves (the media), i think, cell. They swallowed it all hook, line and sinker and most continue to do so and to spread it, so those few who have stopped need an out (which is very few of them). It's like all the talk about how Bush has betrayed conservative principles, or all the talk about religious conservatives wising up to being used so much, etc. They're all face-saving measures, but with Cheney, there's much truth--he did have secret energy meetings with maps of Iraq, and he has been driving a lot of stuff--from the Libby/Plame crimes to invasion to oil to ensuring Halliburton's new billions...
posted by amberglow at 5:27 PM on June 20, 2006


Frontline? Meh. That almost makes me wonder if it's right.

Almost.
posted by namespan at 6:09 PM on June 20, 2006


Who can take them seriously after then "ZOMG PORNZ!!!" episode.

What aspect of their reporting on American Porn did you find inaccurate? Or is your objection of a more general nature, e.g., porn and its current place in the American marketplace is not a legitimate subject for a documentary?
posted by George_Spiggott at 6:43 PM on June 20, 2006


They are hitting home on this. I think the new book is also going to start to turn over the first stones.
posted by Ironmouth at 6:45 PM on June 20, 2006


There's a (surprisingly) watchable and damn near engrossing play that covers really similar territory called Stuff Happens that I think is still playing in NYC at this point. It's worth checking out, especially for the actor who plays Colin Powell as a renegade badass who's not afraid to fuck shit up.
posted by StopMakingSense at 7:05 PM on June 20, 2006


It's a powerful piece that should be watched by every American, IMHO. If you've been reading along closely lo these many years much of it will be retread, but there's a high quotient of interviews with guys who were actually room during some of the most awful moments.

What do you want the media to do now? Curl up in a ball? Swallow their guns? What else can the responsible media do now except report, and keep reporting, how

1. the U.S. people were duped into supporting a war with a pack of lies

2. by leaders that deliberately diverted forces away from cornering Osama bin Laden, before

3. White House intelligence amateurs bullied CIA professionals into producing a WMD report that was wrong but useful propaganda for the moment, before

4. starting the most pointless, costly war since Vietnam while blowing the task of securing the United States.

It cannot be repeated often enough. If it is repeated as often as stories about Angelina and Brad, perhaps the facts will finally sink in to the rest of the people who still think Saddam bombed the Twin Towers.
posted by sacre_bleu at 7:17 PM on June 20, 2006


Just finished watching it. Pretty powerful stuff. I don't think that there was anything in it that I had not heard of before but it was scary seeing it all together. These people are liars and criminals and it's going to take a long time to recover from what they have done to our country.
posted by octothorpe at 7:40 PM on June 20, 2006


Watching now. The surrealism continues...
posted by hwestiii at 7:54 PM on June 20, 2006


If you appreciate this week's FRONTLINE, be sure to call the producers and let them know you appreciate their work. And give some dough to your local PBS station.
posted by ao4047 at 8:03 PM on June 20, 2006


Plus frontline is a pile of bullshit fear mongering anyway.

Yeah. They just did a show about AIDS. They strongly implied that it was deadly and contagious despite all the available evidence.
posted by Mayor Curley at 8:13 PM on June 20, 2006


They managed to leave out that "Curveball" was tortured. (If I remember correctly)
posted by wrapper at 8:31 PM on June 20, 2006


No, that was the other source. Curveball was one of Chalabi's relatives, IIRC.
posted by pmurray63 at 8:34 PM on June 20, 2006


They managed to leave out that "Curveball" was tortured. (If I remember correctly)

By whom? The Iraqis? Because old stereotypes about cruelty not withstanding, I'm pretty sure that the Germans wouldn't grant someone asylum in order to torture them. And if it's "yeah, by the Iraqis" then so what?
posted by Mayor Curley at 8:36 PM on June 20, 2006



outrage fatigue

Yeah, but, it's not so much about getting yourself worked up anymore as it is about simply knowing what's going on... the corridors of power have become bewildering labryinths, the motives and forces at play here are so interwoven and complex, that I just want to know something, anything I can. I want to know what people are up to, not so I can tear at my hair in impotent rage or throw myself in front of a tank, but because the human story -- as it has been since the beginning -- is at once tragic and beautiful, even in the darkest hours. Why do we bleed, why do we starve? Frontline is an incredible series -- its camera is unflinching and the faces don't lie.
posted by bukharin at 8:46 PM on June 20, 2006


I'm tempted to say something clever like "say goodbye to what little government funding PBS still gets", but there are more important things than trying to be clever. It really isn't funny.
posted by George_Spiggott at 9:02 PM on June 20, 2006


Outrage fatigue. Yep.

As I just finished writing a friend overseas:

I'll be up all night thinking about a lot of dead and wounded Americans and Iraqis and wishing I could cry. Or throw up. Or lose my temper and yell, swear, and kick things. Or something. Mostly, I just feel old and sad, and I envy the young and angry their energy.
posted by pax digita at 9:09 PM on June 20, 2006


Cheney and Rummy are evil on the order of Eichman. Thank God GW is just a rube, rather than the devil incarnate like Hitler.

(sorry but this thread just screams for Godwin)
posted by caddis at 10:00 PM on June 20, 2006


I saw parts of this, but then I had to watch the final episode of another program about moral decay, ideological apathy in the service of greed, and the slow rotting of a great nation--"Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy."

It was great.
posted by craniac at 10:03 PM on June 20, 2006


Excellent, as usual.
posted by homunculus at 10:41 PM on June 20, 2006


I missed it. Did Cheney reveal himself to be a Sith Lord, or do we have to wait until next episode?
posted by Alexandros at 10:55 PM on June 20, 2006


I'm with you here, pax digita

I still have faith that we will be able to smile upon the outcome in our lifetimes, tho.

Maybe late.
posted by Balisong at 11:08 PM on June 20, 2006


Meanwhile, U.S. Back at Full War Footing in Afghanistan
posted by homunculus at 11:33 PM on June 20, 2006


Use outrage fatigue for motivation, like pain. Draw from it. Let each bit physically drained from you fuel your spirit. Having an opponant is fun. I mean what, you're going to watch t.v. all night?

(from boston.com) "To many, Cheney is the dark side of the Bush administration"

As opposed to what? There's a lighter side?

"Cheney didn't trust the CIA after it missed the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Iranian revolution, and Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait..."

*spit take*
Missed wha? Yeah, oh, it was because Reagan was psychic; that buildup in '78 attacking Khomeini? the protests? - yeah didn't see them ousting our puppet there, nosir; and talk to Bush Sr. about the last one.

Caddis - you know who else constructed a near-limitless concept of executive power during war? Hitler.
posted by Smedleyman at 11:43 PM on June 20, 2006


I saw this piece this evening, and as I watched it, I thought 2 things:

1) If this kind of thing can still make it to air, we're still living in an America in which it is worth being a citizen.

2) The guys starring in this episode are probably pissed about that.

The [outrage fatigue] thing is insidious, and damn, I feel it, too. From the first time I heard the phrase "War on Terror" spouted by Bush II after 9/11, I knew that abuse of the Constitution was imminent and ongoing, because the whole point of making a war out of a crime is to suspend due process guarantees. But I try to remain as morally indignant at the current administration as I can, on a daily basis, because remaining outraged and opposing what is going on is all I can do in the face of evil. If I fail to do even that, I become like those fine burghers of Munich, who, when taken out to Dachau immediately after it was opened by the Allied troops, said they didn't know what was happening there, as if they couldn't smell the smokestacks when the wind was blowing.

I know what these bastards are doing, and I hope they are brought to the dock, and hung, badly, in some American Nuremberg, not that I think that's likely. I find that day dreaming about Cheney's sentencing at such a proceeding is an effective temporary counter for outrage fatigue, as is imagining I'll live long enough to piss on the bastard's grave.
posted by paulsc at 1:21 AM on June 21, 2006


delmoi, I'm interested to know what does past muster in your household/ bunker. Nothing posted to Metafilter ever seems good enough.

THE PLAIN PEOPLE OF IRELAND: The price of everything and the value of nothin', indeed
posted by yerfatma at 4:56 AM on June 21, 2006


Now you've done it Frontline. The Dark Lord will now have you in his sights. The bombing of PBS begins in 5, 4, 3, 2 ...
posted by darren at 5:09 AM on June 21, 2006


"outrage fatigue"? They've won. You know, this stuff isn't meant to be for your entertainment. Or is it.
posted by stbalbach at 5:51 AM on June 21, 2006


Washington Post online chat with Michael Kirk, who produced the documentary. The PBS web site has the full interviews that were edited for the film.
posted by kirkaracha at 9:26 AM on June 21, 2006


Coincidence?
posted by feloniousmonk at 11:50 AM on June 21, 2006


in a debate that was colored by some Republicans' frustration with what they see as a liberal slant in public programming.

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
posted by George_Spiggott at 1:20 PM on June 21, 2006


"outrage fatigue"? They've won.

After five years of being the kid screaming that the the Emperor and all his cronies are bare assed naked, I'm getting a little fatigued myself.

You know, this stuff isn't meant to be for your entertainment. Or is it.

Most people can't tell the difference anyway.
posted by Enron Hubbard at 6:33 AM on June 22, 2006 [1 favorite]


PBS put the entire show online in Real and Windows Media.
posted by kirkaracha at 7:03 PM on June 22, 2006


delmoi, I'm interested to know what does past muster in your household/ bunker. Nothing posted to Metafilter ever seems good enough.

He doesn't seem functionally capable of honing in on what's good, so he detonates these land-mines of insulting cynicism or scatters the topic with pointed distractions and hopes it will pass for discerning taste. It's best to ignore him and try not to let him set the tone of the thread.
posted by bukharin at 12:29 PM on June 24, 2006


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