Adam Carolla hangs up on Ann Coulter

July 9, 2006 3:11 PM

"Listen bitch, don't call in an hour & a half late and then complain you're tight on time." My favorite 80 seconds of radio so far this year, as Ann Coulter dials into the Adam Carolla show to plug her stupid book. (link goes to transcript, with MP3 available for download)
posted by jonson (137 comments total)

Is there a scorecard I should be updating ?
posted by Space Coyote at 3:18 PM on July 9, 2006

What's an "Adam Carolla"?
posted by mischief at 3:18 PM on July 9, 2006

And no one ever heard from Ann Coulter ever again.
posted by StopMakingSense at 3:22 PM on July 9, 2006

What's an "Adam Carolla"?

a) the guy who made people think Jimmy Kimmel is funny

b) the guy who made people think Dr. Drew is smart

c) Some dude with the same initials as Ann Coulter

d) the only Howard Stern replacement DJ who hasn't been fired yet
posted by wendell at 3:24 PM on July 9, 2006

I wish they did 'phone in interviews on Today like that. 'Hello John!' 'Fuck off Prescott, you adulterous nincompoop.'
posted by jack_mo at 3:25 PM on July 9, 2006

I actually miss the Poorman. He was what made Lovelines great before it became tame and syndicated.
posted by loquacious at 3:27 PM on July 9, 2006

Well, at least, I've heard of Coulter and Stern.
posted by mischief at 3:30 PM on July 9, 2006

Fantastic. This is the Adam we wished shined on his late failed Comedy Central show.
posted by evilelvis at 3:32 PM on July 9, 2006

[Aykroyd]Ann, you ignorant, tardy slut...[/Aykroyd]
posted by fleetmouse at 3:32 PM on July 9, 2006

"And no one ever heard from Ann Coulter ever again."

Oh if only that could be true. If the ripe bastard could pull off dissing Ann Coulter so much that she ceased to exist on the public air waves I might actually tune in to The Adam Corolla Happy Fun Hour or So Self-Love Fest of Avoiding Sounding Like He's Trying To Rip On Howard Stern's Routine By Being A Pathetic Mimeograph Copy of Howard Stern's Tried and True Routine, but we all know that just giving her those ninety seconds somehow, and God knows how this happens but somehow she just sold more books. Some idiots heard that and went, "I have got to have that book!" Like lemmings people flock to the Barnes and Nobles and fall down that proverbial cliff I don't understand it.

Now that Howard Stern's on pay radio, I can't find anything (in)decent to listen to on the way to work anymore. It sucks. I've been forced to go through my CDs again and listen to them. For awhile I downloaded a bunch of podcasts and burned them to a CD without listening to them to see if any of them would keep me from wanting to just swerve off an overpass like all of Clear Channel's programming makes me wanna do, and that didn't work. You know what does work though? God bless fuckin' KPFA.
posted by ZachsMind at 3:35 PM on July 9, 2006

I don't know who Adam Carolla is, nor who Ann Coulter is (except that she's someone MeFites really dislike), but even as such I found that enjoyable. Not so much the followup, but the sudden "well, get lost".
posted by Bugbread at 3:36 PM on July 9, 2006

I can't imagine Corolla would be too popular in this crowd, but he's one of the few celebrities* I'd like to have a beer with. He seems like a fun guy.

*though apparently he's not famous enough to pass the mischief-test for stardom--whether or not mischief has heard of a celebrity is truly the test for fame.
posted by mullacc at 3:37 PM on July 9, 2006

what other test is there?

and who is this Carolla person anyway? why is he having Coulter on his show? why should I care?
posted by lupus_yonderboy at 3:41 PM on July 9, 2006

Why wouldnt corolla be popular with this crowd? He's funny and sometimes very insightful. His talk show may be 5 minutes of comedy jam packed into 30 minutes of television, but his other work like on loveline, the man show, and crankyankers is very good. He's a walking rags to semi-riches story too.
posted by skallas at 3:42 PM on July 9, 2006

I could think of a long list of other people I'd rather have a beer with before Adam Corolla was on the list. I doubt he's even in the top 100. Granted, he's perhaps one or two notches on the list above Ann Coulter.
posted by ZachsMind at 3:42 PM on July 9, 2006

Adam's "apology". (mp3)
posted by ColdChef at 3:43 PM on July 9, 2006

How did Corolla get stuck with the annoying morning zoo crew rejects?

300TH COMMENT!
posted by Dreamghost at 3:49 PM on July 9, 2006 [1 favorite]

skallas: I agree. I was a huge Loveline radio show fan. I guess I'm being a little cynical about the mefi crowd--but I could see some people here getting really hung up on some things he has said about race (particular about Asians) and bisexuality.
posted by mullacc at 3:50 PM on July 9, 2006

Screw the haters--if you've never heard of Adam Carolla, it doesn't change the fact that he has a radio show and you don't. Even better, when Ann Coulter blew him off, he held her accountable for it. Any time that crazy bitch gets told off, on the air, is a great time for all.

(If you don't know who Adam Carolla or Ann Coulter are, for goodness sake, you're on THE INTERNET. Look it up and inform yourself, or just leave the thread alone.)
posted by LooseFilter at 3:54 PM on July 9, 2006

LOL Adam Carolla's Apple

Did he say "bitch" or "banshee"? Either one would fit...
posted by emelenjr at 3:58 PM on July 9, 2006

Few things are more fun than watching the NY Post rag on her bony ass, except perhaps when Wolcott enlivens the party.
posted by dhartung at 3:59 PM on July 9, 2006

LooseFilter : "If you don't know who Adam Carolla or Ann Coulter are, for goodness sake, you're on THE INTERNET. Look it up and inform yourself, or just leave the thread alone."

Complimenting the post is somehow molesting the thread because I don't know who they are?

If so: jonson, I apologize. I shouldn't have told you that I enjoyed your link without researching the parties involved in advance.
posted by Bugbread at 4:08 PM on July 9, 2006

no worries, bugbread, I think the comment might have been more steered towards mischief. But either way, I take no offense when people haven't heard of a subject I'm posting about; frankly, if everyone here was a rabid Adam Carolla fan, this post would be redundant as you all would have heard it live.
posted by jonson at 4:13 PM on July 9, 2006

Remember that time Adam Caolla was on Dawson's Creek? No? Um, me neither.
posted by Sparx at 4:13 PM on July 9, 2006

bugbread, I was responding to posts like this:

and who is this Carolla person anyway? why is he having Coulter on his show? why should I care?

Well, at least, I've heard of Coulter and Stern.

Which, IMO, add nothing to a thread but noise.
posted by LooseFilter at 4:39 PM on July 9, 2006

Funny how most of the comments here are ripping on Adam Corolla, when it's Ann Coulter who should inspire the venom. Ann Coulter is one evil evil transexual (check that adam's apple!)
posted by newfers at 4:48 PM on July 9, 2006

Sorry, LooseFilter, I thought it was directed at me because I'm the only person who didn't know who either one of them was. I realize now that you meant it in a more general sense of "people pissing on the post because of not knowing the folks involved".
posted by Bugbread at 4:52 PM on July 9, 2006

Yes, definitely--no worries :)!
posted by LooseFilter at 4:58 PM on July 9, 2006

Now that I know he is on Comedy Central, everything is explained. ;-P
posted by mischief at 5:02 PM on July 9, 2006

Adam Carolla is genuinely funny and pierces a lot of pompous bubbles with his schtick, while still delivering a serious point a lot of the time. I think he kicks Stern's ass for quality comedy. He's underrated, and this isn't his best context. The early Loveline shows were riveting radio, and the way Carolla took Dr. Drew down a peg (and by proxy, the authoritative and scary institutional perspective Drew represents to teenagers -- medicine, policy, science, etc.) while still preserving Drew's messages about addiction, safer sex, and self-worth. It reached kids, and you could tell it did from the calls, which were the most riveting parts, where Carolla would actually berate callers in a way that felt and was taken as a kind of affectionate ribbing that clearly appealed to a generational sensibility. I bet that show saved a lot of kids' lives. I think it even improved mine, and I was already in my 30s. And it was a laugh a minute.

Carolla's apology, linked above, is unbelievably great rhetoric. I've never heard anyone take apart Ann Coulter so systematically, and everything she represents, while actually judiciously valuing certain of the ideas she presents, or appropriates, about individualism and responsibility. I've never read a MeFi post about Coulter that was more concisely surgical about the horror that is that woman. It happens in the first few minutes, after which it devolves into patter.
posted by fourcheesemac at 5:09 PM on July 9, 2006 [1 favorite]

For the last four years or so, I've been waiting something along the lines of the "Have you no sense of decency sir...?" moment in the Army-McCarthy hearings of the 50's to signal that the American public had finally had enough of what's being dished up by the political right in America.

Looks like this might be the best I'm going to get.
posted by hwestiii at 5:12 PM on July 9, 2006

newfers writes "Ann Coulter is one evil evil transexual (check that adam's apple!)"

We can make fun of her by calling her a queer!

Asshole.
posted by mr_roboto at 5:12 PM on July 9, 2006

I have newfound respect for Carolla. Good on him.
posted by Mr. Six at 5:16 PM on July 9, 2006

"newfers writes "Ann Coulter is one evil evil transexual (check that adam's apple!)"

We can make fun of her by calling her a queer!

Asshole"

Wait, now transsexuals are queers?

Jesus, I can't keep up with the terminology any more.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:19 PM on July 9, 2006

Is "fruit" still allowed?
posted by ColdChef at 5:20 PM on July 9, 2006

Agreed, Mr_Roboto. Calling Coulter a transgendered individual is an insult to that community. Besides, everybody know she takes steroids. *ducking*
posted by ZachsMind at 5:23 PM on July 9, 2006

Well, I laughed. It's a shame Coulter isn't always treated with the respect she deserves. As she was here.
posted by Decani at 5:24 PM on July 9, 2006

I always thought transgendered individuals could be any sexual proclivity. Their interest in how certain materials feel against the skin compared to others had no bearing on which gender they tended to prefer.

I dunno. I don't care. If clothes make the man, then I'm a Target. I've never actually been 'regimental' in a kilt, but I've contemplated it. Does that make me transgendered?
posted by ZachsMind at 5:27 PM on July 9, 2006

I don't know who Adam Carolla is, nor who Ann Coulter is

How I envy you.
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 5:34 PM on July 9, 2006

Few things are more fun than watching the NY Post rag on her bony ass

And now the Associated Press has picked up the story regarding her alleged plagiarism in her new book 'Godless' and past columns: "Syndicator to review allegations Ann Coulter lifted material."
posted by ericb at 5:34 PM on July 9, 2006

actually i think this is quite revealing of ann coulter's personality ... she calls an hour and a half late, doesn't apologize and starts telling the guy she's tight on time

rude, arrogant and selfish ... obviously, adam's time and inconvenience means nothing to her ...

and then we wonder why she's forever describing people in her writing in a way that totally disregards fairness or other people's feelings

she's a better representative of her political views than she will ever realize
posted by pyramid termite at 5:36 PM on July 9, 2006

Aw, I miss the Poorman, too. Hey, loquacious, he probably still lives on Newport Beach. Drop by and hang out with him, he's usually totally cool with visitors if he's out front.
posted by redteam at 5:39 PM on July 9, 2006

This is a really great interview- It is much better than actually listening to any kind of quip the two may have had because we've already heard all of that.


My noise on the thread noise:
Yeah, I don't know who Adam Carolla is, and I want to tell everybody this because I for some reason think that he is a pop culture icon, even though I don't know who he is, and I'm so not into pop culture.

If you didn't know some ambassator or high-ranking political figure, it would be frowned upon. If you don't know some american celebrity that makes you awesome.
posted by ackeber at 6:03 PM on July 9, 2006

Fantastic. This is the Adam we wished shined on his late failed Comedy Central show.

That show fucking sucked. It was just adam being an obnoxious prick. Oooh, entertaining.
posted by delmoi at 6:37 PM on July 9, 2006

Ha. She manages to be condescending and obnoxious in the first couple sentences. When I read the transcript, I almost thought "geez, hypocritical." But after hearing her voice, Adam went up a bunch of notches in my book.
posted by ®@ at 6:42 PM on July 9, 2006

Adam Carolla is genuinely funny and pierces a lot of pompous bubbles with his schtick, while still delivering a serious point a lot of the time. I think he kicks Stern's ass for quality comedy. He's underrated, and this isn't his best context.

Well perhaps at one time. I really liked his MTV show, but often on the long-form radio show he'll just get off on these incredibly annoying tangents about whatever and ignore the caller's question or whatever. Coulter is a bitch but Carolla can be a smarmy jackass.
posted by delmoi at 6:45 PM on July 9, 2006

Is his apology available anywhere else? The link above is shot.
posted by jikel_morten at 6:46 PM on July 9, 2006

Heh, the audio is pretty funny though, coulter seems way more Bitchy then she comes across in the transcript.
posted by delmoi at 6:48 PM on July 9, 2006

"We can make fun of her by calling her a queer!

Asshole."

I just called her an evil transexual. Can't transexuals be evil too?

Queer.
posted by newfers at 6:48 PM on July 9, 2006

Re: the mp3 - keep trying the link and it will eventually work - this story has been on digg too so I imagine the podcast site is getting massive hits. Apparently many people are enjoying this.
*chortle*
posted by batgrlHG at 6:49 PM on July 9, 2006

I've never heard of the guy, either. Glad he nailed Annie poo-poo but I'm really sick of "shock jocks".

They lower the bar with every show to the point where it's not even funny any more - just mean and dumb.
posted by rougy at 6:51 PM on July 9, 2006

1) adam carolla is not imitating howard stern!
2) Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese is a freaking cool nickname!
3) GOTO 1!
posted by clyde at 6:59 PM on July 9, 2006

rougy: I've never heard of the guy, either. Glad he nailed Annie poo-poo but I'm really sick of "shock jocks".

Adam Carolla is not a shock jock. Not even close. He is a comedian with a long radio history on LoveLine. He just happened to fill the same time slot as the shock jocks in some markets when Howard Stern left terrestrial radio. He is not mean or dumb. He is a very clever guy who got pissed off because some asshole who was supposed to be on his show to flog her book acted like an asshole, and he took her to task for it.
posted by team lowkey at 7:27 PM on July 9, 2006

yeah seriously, i could never get over carolla being the guy that displaced The Poorman.

god... KROQ in the 80s was amazing.
posted by joeblough at 7:48 PM on July 9, 2006

For me the real zing is the fact that they had previously booked Coulter on the show and she simply stood them up. Then on this, the re-book date, she's two hours late (meaning that they had to move content in the show and figure out how to fill time they had previously had planned with her as filler - unsure if this show is live, but that makes it even more difficult), and then when she calls in 2 hrs late she says that 1) she had been given the wrong number to call, and 2) she was short on time (as in hurry up, get on with it, let's talk about me and get this over with). No matter whose show she's on, that's a damn rude way to treat anyone in any business. I don't care much one way or the other for Carolla, but this is diva behavior in the extreme and she deserved to be hung up on. In the apology mp3 they talk about having to call and apologize - but the apology wasn't given on in that clip, if any was actually given.
posted by batgrlHG at 7:51 PM on July 9, 2006

I always thought transgendered individuals could be any sexual proclivity. Their interest in how certain materials feel against the skin compared to others had no bearing on which gender they tended to prefer.
posted by ZachsMind at 1:27 AM GMT on July 10

Pssst, dude. Transvestite, not transexual.
posted by kaemaril at 8:00 PM on July 9, 2006

Heh, she'll just spin this as liberal media just can't deal with her and just roll on over to the dozen other outlets willing to kiss her ass.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 8:04 PM on July 9, 2006

Yeah.
Put down the cum rags kids. They're FULL.
posted by HTuttle at 9:02 PM on July 9, 2006 [1 favorite]

That was pretty good radio. Yay, Adam.

I just called her an evil transexual. Can't transexuals be evil too?

Jesus, at least own up instead of trying to worm away. You used transexual as an insult; it couldn't be more obvious. Grow some balls. And then some brains.
posted by mediareport at 9:03 PM on July 9, 2006

HTuttle writes "Yeah.
"Put down the cum rags kids. They're FULL."

I swear to god, one of these days I'm gonna write an HTuttlebot. It'll take like 2 good hours, I think. And $5.




So when you guys start seeing a user named HTuttlebot posting on Metafilter, that's my work.
posted by mr_roboto at 9:11 PM on July 9, 2006

Coral cache of the apology MP3.
posted by dhartung at 9:23 PM on July 9, 2006

lol who'd have thought that metafilter comment threads could be more juvenile (or at least AS juvenile as) Fark comment threads. I was trying (and failing) to be silly, folks, by noting that Ann Coulter, who I obviously find to be a bad bad person, is very manly, and has an obvious Adam's Apple. No offense was intended, for Christ's sake, so take it for what it was, a jab at an evil manly cunt who tries to be glamorous, yet is oddly repulsive, even before you a) hear her speak or b) read her bullshit.

Thank you. That's all. I apologize, transexuals of the world.
posted by newfers at 9:27 PM on July 9, 2006

What fourcheesemac said.

Carolla was incredibly funny and insightful during his early years on Loveline, but then he got progressively grumpier, more right wing, and repetitive. As a person who sometimes really enjoyed Loveline (on the radio), I basically couldn't stand the MTV show, or either one of his Comedy Central efforts. His milieu was Loveline on the radio and that's where he truly shone, at least on occasion. I haven't listened to his morning zoo show, but I'm glad he told Coulter off.
posted by Devils Slide at 9:33 PM on July 9, 2006

an evil manly cunt

*shakes head, laughs*

Forget it.
posted by mediareport at 9:39 PM on July 9, 2006

newfers writes "evil manly cunt"


Great username. I might just register it...
posted by mr_roboto at 9:40 PM on July 9, 2006

Coral cache of the apology MP3

The original link works fine for me now. That said, what's a Coral cache? Are deteriorated Mp3 files preserved in cache now?
posted by dgaicun at 9:40 PM on July 9, 2006

I used to like Ann when she played Mrs. Hathaway on the Beverly Hilbillies.
posted by HyperBlue at 9:48 PM on July 9, 2006

thanks, clyde!
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 10:04 PM on July 9, 2006

If Coral caches are so useful why haven't I heard of them?
posted by fleacircus at 10:15 PM on July 9, 2006

Put down the cum rags kids.

From my cold dead hand.
posted by homunculus at 10:22 PM on July 9, 2006

posted by ZachsMind I always thought transgendered individuals could be any sexual proclivity. Their interest in how certain materials feel against the skin compared to others had no bearing on which gender they tended to prefer.

I dunno. I don't care. If clothes make the man, then I'm a Target. I've never actually been 'regimental' in a kilt, but I've contemplated it. Does that make me transgendered?

No, it just reaffirms you as the ignorant jackass we all knew you were.
posted by fandango_matt at 10:36 PM on July 9, 2006

Hey everybody! Look at me!

I don't know who Adam Carolla is!
And I don't own a television!

See, I'm cool, guys! Guys?

Guys...?
posted by joe lisboa at 11:15 PM on July 9, 2006

yeah seriously, i could never get over carolla being the guy that displaced The Poorman.

He didn't. Poorman was gone many years before that. Ricky Rachtman was there just before Carolla took over.

And Poorman was an annoying fucker anyway. (still is)
posted by eyeballkid at 11:15 PM on July 9, 2006

ebk, I'd ask how you know what the poorman's like these days, but last week I was stunned to see that the poorman's KDOC show (channel 56, for those of us in the L.A. area) was still on. Not nearly as cool as I remember it being when I was 14. For those that miss the Poorman as the host of loveline, I believe you can relive the magic for a few seconds by watching the movie Heathers, where one of the troubled students (not Wynona Ryder or Christian Slater) calls Loveline to confess some dark secret.
posted by jonson at 11:25 PM on July 9, 2006

...
Thank you. That's all. I apologize, transexuals of the world.
posted by newfers at 11:27 PM CST on July 9 [+fave] [!]

Fuck you. Apology not accepted, jackass.

Besides, you really didn't mean it--you think transsexuals are freaks, who occupy spaces separate from yours, and since they're someplace else and not even remotely like actual people you can make fun of them whenever you feel like it and spout insincere pseudoapologies when called out on your juvenile, insulting bullshit.

You're wrong. Stop acting like the whole world is a stupid as you are, okay?
posted by mountain_william at 11:58 PM on July 9, 2006

Put down the cum rags kids.

From my cold dead hand.

For once, I can honestly say, "I shall not take that thing from your hand."
posted by Dagobert at 11:58 PM on July 9, 2006 [1 favorite]

but last week I was stunned to see that the poorman's KDOC show

That's exactly how I know.

*shudder*
posted by eyeballkid at 12:16 AM on July 10, 2006

ebk, are you the guy hunched over in the corner of my livingroom who won't make eye contact with me? Because I've been wondering who that guy is, and it would explain so much...
posted by lilbrudder at 12:25 AM on July 10, 2006

huh. guess I was still signed in as my sockpuppet when I posted that last comment. Makes more sense if it's coming from me.
posted by jonson at 12:28 AM on July 10, 2006

Also: mountain_william, someone can imply (as newfers did) that Ann Coulter is a physically repellent speciman of womanhood to the degree that she actually looks like a man who has undergone gender reassignment surgery without actually hating/mocking/insulting men who undergo gender re-assignment surgery. Stop looking for a fight.
posted by jonson at 12:39 AM on July 10, 2006

1. Ann Coulter is a bad person
2. Ann Coulter is unattractive.
3. Metafilter concentrates on 2.
4. Ignores 1.

Reading Metafilter threads about Ann Coulter is like the worst conversation you could have with some imaginary sexist neighbor. "Dude, ignore what she says... Look at her, that's one ugly bitch. Woah. I'd not touch her, she looks like a man. She's even got an Adam's Apple. The Slag."

It's amazing how "liberated" the Left is. You should all be proud of yourselves.
posted by seanyboy at 12:57 AM on July 10, 2006

jonson: Without looking for a fight, which I'm not, can they? Really? Because to me, there's no way to read that statement other than 'men who've undergone gender reassignment surgery look like physically repellent specimens of womanhood'. Which does strike me as more than a little insulting in that you're implying that the majority of TS women look like bad caricatures of transvestites.
posted by terpsichoria at 1:19 AM on July 10, 2006

She's not really that ugly. If it wern't for her politics most people would rate her as fairly attractive, but seen through that mirror she seems ugly.

Also, Corolla's response seems to have more to do with feeling snubbed then her politics or whatever.
posted by delmoi at 2:19 AM on July 10, 2006

seanyboy: imaginary sexist neighbor

Calling a woman ugly is sexist?

And the portion of the left that subscribes to the view that it's sacrilege to take note of a person's gender, sexuality, ethnicity, age or other defining characteristic hardly represents the left as a whole. That New Left-derived "consciousness raising" bullshit is bullshit campus wankery that never helped a single genuinely disadvantaged person.
posted by Makoto at 2:52 AM on July 10, 2006

Her sexuality is a valid topic for discussion because she makes it a focal point. Her whole schtick is based on being a telegenic woman who spouts inflammatory rhetoric that is vile, base, ignorant, and obviously fucking stupid.

Since this garbage is spouted from a mouth that is attached to a body that's kinda-hot-if-you-close-one-eye-and-don't-think-about-it-too-much, she's given a good deal more leeway than, say, Bill O'Reilly would be.
posted by Optamystic at 3:14 AM on July 10, 2006

Calling a woman ugly is sexist?

When it's used to contextually support something which has nothing to do with her appearence, then yes.

When I see a Bill O'Reilly thread degrade into personal attacks on his appearence, I'll maybe re-evaluate this stance. Until then, shut up.
posted by seanyboy at 4:34 AM on July 10, 2006

Which, IMO, add nothing to a thread but noise.
Isn't this entire thread nothing but noise? Is there signal here? It seems like this whole conversation has just made everyone quite cranky. Let's all go eat some pancakes.
posted by DenOfSizer at 5:00 AM on July 10, 2006

Clearly a woman who evokes strong opinion. Which being the case, it seems possible that someone did give her the wrong number with the intention of inconveniencing her, setting her up for a fall like this, or keeping her off the show entirely.

Just a thought.
posted by IndigoJones at 5:30 AM on July 10, 2006

When I see a Bill O'Reilly thread degrade into personal attacks on his appearence, I'll maybe re-evaluate this stance.

Billy looks hot with a falafel in his hand. Does that make me sexist? No. But it does make me want to fuck some pita bread.
posted by Mr. Six at 5:42 AM on July 10, 2006

Kudos to Carolla. I always enjoyed him on Loveline. His comedy flowed easier and more natural over the radio than all his attempts on the tv, which was a shame (For the tv viewers).
posted by Atreides at 5:44 AM on July 10, 2006

"When I see a Bill O'Reilly thread degrade into personal attacks on his appearence, I'll maybe re-evaluate this stance. "

He looks like Kelsey Grammer after a three-day drunk. Further, he's never said that people are Democrats because they're not as hot as he is.
posted by klangklangston at 6:18 AM on July 10, 2006

He looks like Kelsey Grammer after a three-day drunk.

Isn't that redundant?
posted by Optamystic at 7:08 AM on July 10, 2006

Great transcript. Great thread. Would click through again.
posted by OmieWise at 7:28 AM on July 10, 2006

When I see a Bill O'Reilly thread degrade into personal attacks on his appearance, I'll maybe re-evaluate this stance. Until then, shut up.

For better or worse, Coulter is the only big-name pundit I can think of who has made her appearance an integral part of her schtick. So it's entirely predictable that the subject is raised by her critics. That's not to say it's good or right that it happens, but acting all surprised and outraged about it is either disingenuous or naive.

"Dude, ignore what she says... Look at her, that's one ugly bitch. Woah. I'd not touch her, she looks like a man. She's even got an Adam's Apple. The Slag."

My interpretation of this sort of attack is slightly different than yours. This is actually a case of the Left reaching out to the Right.

If you actually listen to what Coulter says, it's abundantly clear that arguments based on factual accuracy and logic no longer appeal to the Right. Today, the Right is all about name-calling, ad hominem smear tactics, and misdirected rage.

Calling Ann Coulter ugly is exactly the sort of reprehensible, irrelevant, and hate-steeped "argument" that might actually have some traction with Ann Coulter fans.
posted by Western Infidels at 7:30 AM on July 10, 2006

since when did MeFi become all about PC?! i agree that no transvestite should be degraded by being compared to coulter and she IS ugly, but:

a) i still know a lotta people who would hate fuck her

b) who cares what she lookslike? she's a foul, twisted mind who should really be ignored. Carolla had the right idea. why bother to give her the time of day?the main power behind her voice is that she's so abrasive and has such good publicity that people HAVE to listen. IGNORE HER. stop acting like fucking children about calling her a transvestite. its not like half of you haven't watched Rocky Horror anyway...
posted by Doorstop at 7:32 AM on July 10, 2006

Western Infidels is spot on. Coulter, and her fans, make her appearance a key facet of her and her personality, so that in my mind makes it fair game.

And she does look like a man, albeit a skinny man. Not everyone thinks that 99lbs is the ideal weight for a woman. And 30lbs would still make her quite thin and would maybe help hide that Adam's Apple.

But, the main reason I hate her is because I believe she is actually smart enough to not really believe the stuff that flies out of her mouth. I think it is an act, an act that is taken seriously by most, and it is offensive to me.
posted by Ynoxas at 8:09 AM on July 10, 2006

Doorstop - funny. First thing I thought of Coulter = Dr. Frankenrfurter. Without of course the charisma or magnetism Curry has.
I dunno. Corolla has a lunkhead ‘regular guy’ kind of charm to him. I didn’t like the Man Show, but I liked that it was on. It’s like cheering for the kid next door’s garage band. Corolla seems to have made it just busting his ass (sort of like Stern). I’m not a big fan of either (Stern for me = boobs on radio) but I appreciate their talent. Coulter has very little real talent, but has had a great deal of support from the machine. She’s famous mostly on the vaguely attractive blonde uber-right wing schtick which as far as novelty goes gets the same play in the peanut gallery as a good looking hyper liberal lesbian feminist would.
It’s the juxtaposition of the ‘looks good’ with the ‘radical position’ thing.

It’s just a cheap gimmick. And it’s nice to see the scrappy wanna break into showbiz guy take out the unwarrented attention getting one trick pony.
posted by Smedleyman at 8:32 AM on July 10, 2006

Doorstop: since when did MeFi become all about PC?!

You're kidding, right? Surely you can't possibly believe for a second that if Coulter was being insulted for her resemblance to a black woman or a lesbian, a good portion of the community around here wouldn't be up in arms about it. But hey, transsexuals are fair game for mockery and denigration, because they all look like gorillas in flowery frocks anyway AMIRITE?

And we're talking about transsexuals, not transvestites. Feel free not to bother to make the distinction, but you probably shouldn't hope for any more respect to be given to your opinions than if you didn't bother to learn the difference between, say, Japanese and Koreans, or bisexuals and gay men, before trying to make a point about those people.

If you think Coulter's hateful, say so. If you think she's ugly, say that. If you think she looks like your idea of a transsexual woman, I expect you to keep the 'tranny, shemale, transexual (sic)' shit to yourself for exactly the same fucking reason you wouldn't call her 'nigger' if she had dark skin, or 'kike' if she had a prominent nose.
posted by terpsichoria at 9:07 AM on July 10, 2006

She’s famous mostly on the vaguely attractive blonde uber-right wing schtick which as far as novelty...

haha. Coulter definitely appeals to the Aryan crowd. As for Corolla, that s exactly why I like him actually. he's the everyman. his penchant for cutting the shit and not putting up with bull is close to my heart.

My favorite part about this entire coulter soundbite is how when she calls in late she backhandedly blames corolla's staff and him for the delay, then acts all high and mighty about how she's so busy, then gets shut down.
(...ok so i loved every second of this thing. so sue me)

i dunno... my main point, which i think i might have glazed over in my previous response was that this entire thing is childish and that corolla had the right idea in just saying "fuck it" and pushing it aside. and the tranvestite name calling? WHO CARES?! honestly, after having lived in cities for around 6 years now, this overly PC crap just gets to me. a lot. if people can't suck it up and laugh at themselves a bit then the terrorists have won!!! :). really. if i can laugh at the slanders "dune-coon", "sand-n*****", "towel-head", etc. while being indian myself, then a tranvestite can deal too.
posted by Doorstop at 9:11 AM on July 10, 2006

terpsichoria

grow up. there are better things in the world to worry about then someone's idea of what is right and proper. read my above statement. you have no idea of my experiences or the experiences of others. even my gay and transvestite friends call each other idiot names. and quite frankly, i've seen racist/classist/insensitive shit come out of mefites mouths before without so much as a peep from the PC peanut gallery. deal. the rest of us have.
posted by Doorstop at 9:16 AM on July 10, 2006

ok...i glazed over my main pint again.

main point = this shit is childish and stupid. there are better things to worry about besides ann coulter's mannish appearrance. name calling is idiot but a part of life - deal. everyone, GROW UP.
posted by Doorstop at 9:24 AM on July 10, 2006

“'nigger' if she had dark skin, or 'kike' if she had a prominent nose.” -posted by terpsichoria

I think that’s the thing tho’. It’s simiar to making fun of Jeff Gannon or Republican closeted types for being gay. One isn’t making fun of homosexuals (or in this case transsexuals) but the unreality, the hypocracy involved. Real transexuals aren’t funny. They’re just transexuals. It’s not insulting transexuals to laughingly call her one. She’s exactly the kind of Clockwork Orange that deserves to be made fun of for her pseudo-orangeness.
posted by Smedleyman at 9:25 AM on July 10, 2006

I think making fun of Ann Coulter's appearance or 'womanliness' is like making fun of Rush Limbaugh's addiction, in the sense that usually it's The Left that would object to stooping to that level, but these people live in a bizarre context where they've made careers out of low blows, so reverting to childishness (because that's what calling someone 'a manly woman' is, in the end—a primal sort of criticism that you only avoid because you've trained your mind to not criticize people by calling them freckle-face or pudgy or whatever) seems more acceptable.
posted by Firas at 9:34 AM on July 10, 2006

But doing so is best avoided.
posted by Firas at 9:35 AM on July 10, 2006

Which, IMO, add nothing to a thread but noise.

As if this whole thread isn't noise? Shouldn't even be an FPP
posted by a3matrix at 9:40 AM on July 10, 2006

Is it okay if I find transsexuals unattractive? Or does that make me a Republican? I'm confused.
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 9:41 AM on July 10, 2006

It’s not insulting transexuals to laughingly call her one.

Smedleyman, in the sense that people use it as shorthand for "ugly", I think it is insulting to transsexual people. I can certainly accept that, "Ann Coulter looks like a man," is not a comment offensive to transsexual women. But I think, "Ann Coulter looks like a transsexual," is offensive because we're expected to derive humour/scorn/whatever at least in part because of the association with the appearance of transwomen.

This is the statement that I flagged initially: Ann Coulter is one evil evil transexual (check that adam's apple!)

I'm offended by that. Okay, so I'm offended in that Mefi way, where you just sort of sigh and wonder why people insist on being so moronic, but it's just as offensive, to my mind, as using the word "gay" as a perjorative, which happens, or using the word "African" as a perjorative, which doesn't. A lot of people seem to have decided that some medical conditions and sexual orientations just aren't important enough to have the same level of respect paid to them as ethnicity, despite the in-born nature of all of them. It's funny and appropriate to call people gays, transsexuals or retards as an insult, because it's only meant in jest; god forbid anyone try it with race. That's what I find really offensive.

Is it okay if I find transsexuals unattractive?

If you like. What is it about us that you find unattractive?
posted by ArmyOfKittens at 9:53 AM on July 10, 2006

"If you think Coulter's hateful, say so. If you think she's ugly, say that. If you think she looks like your idea of a transsexual woman, I expect you to keep the 'tranny, shemale, transexual (sic)' shit to yourself for exactly the same fucking reason you wouldn't call her 'nigger' if she had dark skin, or 'kike' if she had a prominent nose."

Wait, so "transexual" is the same as "nigger"?

"But hey, transsexuals are fair game for mockery and denigration, because they all look like gorillas in flowery frocks anyway AMIRITE?"

No, if you were right, we wouldn't be making fun of Coulter for looking like a transvestite.

I know that you, from you AskMe answers/questions, are either transexual or transgendered (I forget, and can't be asked to look it up). And I know that this feels like you're take a moment to fight the noble good fight in here. But to try to appeal to some view of protected classes is silly and irrelevant. If Ann Coulter made her career on arguing that black people were only after affirmative action because they couldn't pass as white, I'd feel no compuctions about mocking her hue. Same as if she made cracks about lesbians not being able to pass as straight. It's the hypocricy, stupid, to corrupt Carville.
posted by klangklangston at 9:54 AM on July 10, 2006

But, the main reason I hate her is because I believe she is actually smart enough to not really believe the stuff that flies out of her mouth. I think it is an act, an act that is taken seriously by most, and it is offensive to me.

Ynoxas, I think you've just summed up all my hatred of and vitriol against Coulter in one fell swoop. She damn well should know better, and to perpetuate such bullshit just to further her own (yes, appearance-based) career is obscene. It's like the recent allegations of her plagiarism -- assuming they're true, COULD she have done her own work? Sure. Could she have hired an army of monkey-interns to write for her and slap her name on the product? Sure. But no, she went the intellectually dishonest route.

The fact that she clearly needs a sandwich is just a mirror-reflection of what our culture values in women. Say all the batshit crazy stuff you want, but if you're semi-anorexic and blonde, it's all good.
posted by bitter-girl.com at 10:21 AM on July 10, 2006

What is it about us that you find unattractive?

Almost every "male to female" transexual I've ever seen has a harsh male set of features on their face that I have a hard time reconciling with my (heavily reinforced on a daily basis by every image I see) preconceived notions of feminine beauty. Don't take offense at that, ArmyofKittens, I certainly don't intend any, I just have yet to meet a woman who was born male that looked physically attractive.
posted by jonson at 11:01 AM on July 10, 2006

Is it okay if I find transsexuals unattractive?

If you like. What is it about us that you find unattractive?

Do you honestly want to know? Or are you trying to get me to concede that my comment was insensitive and my point clumsily un-made?

I'll concede on both points, but let me ask this, without snark: Is it not okay, if the poster finds transsexuals unattractive, for the poster to state that he finds Coulter ugly because she may bear some resemblance to a transsexual?
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 11:08 AM on July 10, 2006

I think Ann Coulter is ugly because her withered soul is imprinted on her face in a permanent sneer.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:14 AM on July 10, 2006

I don't find her ugly, but I don't like the fact that she's passing herself off as beautiful. She's weird-looking, as is Paris Hilton, who makes similar claims to beauty. I'm sorry, but the Angelina Jolie's of the world have a hard enough time of it without plain people stealing their beautious thunder.
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:29 AM on July 10, 2006

“Smedleyman, in the sense that people use it as shorthand for "ugly"” - posted by ArmyOfKittens

Yeah, I agree with that. But I think it’s that she - and others - present her as some kind of diva. She’s supposed to be this very hot blonde chick who has this radical position and that perspective is being marketed by association like cars or beer or other things sold by chicks. When in fact, whether it’s the perspective that colors her appearance to people or whether she isn’t good looking, she isn’t actually attractive. Which makes the association comical. Particularly given the tenets of the perspective in question.

Certainly if people are using it as a shorthand for ugly, that’s insulting and purile, but given the context of some of the comments, I don’t believe that’s the position everyone using the term is taking.
So, youre right, but the attack is more on the marketing of Coulter predicated on her ‘good looks’ than Coulter herself.
Were she just some person who got on t.v. to talk about a new kind of cel phone or some such, I doubt anyone would make the link. (I myself think she looks like an Afghan hound). But the use of any term in that kind of attack is shorthand for more reasoned discourse, fairly common to metafilter, but it’s accurate in depicting the vitriol people have for Coulter, not transexuals - or Afghan hounds.I think it’s the oddity of the juxtiposition, the falsity itself - a person held to be womanly who looks mannish, and the falsity of those who agree with Coulter’s position who assert how attractive she is - rather than the mannishness or unattractiveness itself under assault here.
So, she is not ugly, she is counterfeit. Transsexuals are not counterfeit. They are hybrids. Although there are criticisms leveled at transexuals - most likely from those in the same intellectual sphere as Coulter, that transexuals are counterfeit.
Which is, to again agree with you, why this kind of assertion should be handled with a bit more care. But I wouldn’t attribute something to malice (absent stated intent) which can be explained by that mental/rhetorical shorthand. So, dumb, but not vicious.
(This all aside from what people actually say about why they themselves are using the term of course)
posted by Smedleyman at 11:32 AM on July 10, 2006

posted by Smedleyman Transsexuals are not counterfeit. They are hybrids. Although there are criticisms leveled at transexuals - most likely from those in the same intellectual sphere as Coulter, that transexuals are counterfeit.

If transsexuals are hybrids, does that mean vegan lesbians are biodiesel dykes?

Seriously, hybrids of what? If you're not going to accept transsexuals as the gender to which they've switched, you might as well admit, "Yeah, I think they're freaks."
posted by fandango_matt at 11:54 AM on July 10, 2006

posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese I'll concede on both points, but let me ask this, without snark: Is it not okay, if the poster finds transsexuals unattractive, for the poster to state that he finds Coulter ugly because she may bear some resemblance to a transsexual?

Well, take that sentence and swap "transsexual", with "black", "Jewish", "Latino", or "Asian" and you'll answer your own question.
posted by fandango_matt at 12:23 PM on July 10, 2006

Fair enough, Smedleyman. I wouldn't go so far as to say that all transsexuals are hybrids, but some most definitely are (by choice and by feeling). I wouldn't describe myself as a hybrid, but then I'm about as textbook as it gets.

Do you honestly want to know?

I was intrigued. There are physical traits shared by a lot of -- but certainly not all -- transwomen. Ann Coulter basically has a large apple in her neck, which is, in my experience, only really something you find in maybe 15% of transwomen. If the poster finds transsexuals unattractive, and finds Ann Coulter unattractive because she looks, in the poster's mind, like a transwoman, then I would think that the poster has not met enough transwomen to make an accurate judgement.

Y'have to like tall women, though.

Ann doesn't look much like many transsexuals I've met, but she does look similar to many people's idea of transsexual women. Even more than that, she looks like the third frame of the special effect at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Almost every "male to female" transexual I've ever seen has a harsh male set of features on their face that I have a hard time reconciling with my (heavily reinforced on a daily basis by every image I see) preconceived notions of feminine beauty. Don't take offense at that, ArmyofKittens, I certainly don't intend any, I just have yet to meet a woman who was born male that looked physically attractive.

I certainly don't take offense at that. Transsexual women often have harsh, male-looking features in the early stages of hormone therapy, because their faces are still largely as they were before. It takes a lot of time for their features to soften and for the body to redistribute their fat (putting on a bit of weight and then losing it again helps); time during which they are probably taking their first steps out into the world as women. By the time they've taken off the pink lycra minis and the hilarious wigs and started dressing a little less like a stunned child in their mother's clothes they've also soften up all over and don't look like men in dresses any more. After a few years, a very large proportion of transsexual women don't look like transsexual women any more. The face is more fat than it is bone: take it from someone who watched her face change.

At least, that's the idea. I suspect the majority of transwomen you've seen have been relatively early in transition and/or transitioned in middle age, when the body just isn't flexible enough to cope with what is really quite a fundamental shape change. My back still aches now from the (relatively) sudden redistribution of weight, and I did this when I was young.
posted by ArmyOfKittens at 12:29 PM on July 10, 2006

Can we at least agree that Adam Carolla is one fine looking woman?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:46 PM on July 10, 2006

ArmyOfKittens
Cheers. If i catch your meaning you just said you are a REAL transexual? if so, cheers again. most of the transgenders and transexuals i have met are very ambiguous in nature - almost androgenous. I met a transman once. he looked very much like a normal guy aside from the wide hips and softer edges to the jaw. i've also met a transwoman who looked perfectly female aside from a very squared set of hips. in my experience th eonly real telltale is in the skeletal struck of the legs and hips, which most people do not seem to really focus on anyway. Ann coulter, through possessing traits of a man, is still quite feminine looking. its just that she's an ugly (in my opinion) example of a woman. God forbid alien's abduct her as an example of our species. I swear we'll be in Intergalactic Iar I before the ship leaves orbit...
posted by Doorstop at 1:49 PM on July 10, 2006

Bowie was androgenous and he was hot.
posted by Astro Zombie at 1:54 PM on July 10, 2006

“If you're not going to accept transsexuals as the gender to which they've switched...” - posted by fandango_matt

I don’t call them freaks because that is not my position. ‘Freak’ is a perjorative term. Hybrid is scientifically accurate. A hybrid is something heterogeneous in origin or composition, that is, consisting of dissimilar constituents and/or originating outside the body. This has no bearing on their reality in their new gender. I grant the term also means ‘combination’ but it is, structurally speaking, perfectly accurate. If a person who formerly had a penis was surgically altered to have a vagina, that person’s gonads have been altered. It is not a criticism to state that fact. Nor is it a denial of their new gender, it is, in fact, implicit in the term: hybrid. By definition, they are now something other than what they were.
It is criticism to think of that person as a ‘counterfeit’ female, which roughly paralells the kind of criticism leveled at Coulter and is a common criticism of transsexuals in certain quarters. I believe I took pains to identify that kind of position as wrongheaded and agreed with ArmyOfKittens on it’s use. Hybrid has the further meaning of ‘not fully changed’ in this sense - that is a blend of a male and female - a man/woman with some male and some female parts. This also is not what I meant, but since gender itself has multiple layers of traits associated with one sex or the other, it’s easily confused. Separating the biology from expected social roles has helped my personal acceptance of such matters. Even the kathoey in Thailand sometimes have a hard time of it and I suspect dealing with it in a straightforward manner, understanding and accepting transsexualism on the biological level, would lead to less pain, et.al on the social level.
Hell, there are people who have problems with artificial insemination. They’re assholes too. But the subject itself, the biology of it, should not be an off limits subject simply because of those criticisms. That’d be a concession by omission to those assholes. So we’re not going to avoid telling little Johnny he was concieved by test tube because it might give him a complex. Same thing with transsexualism.
All this is different from Coulter in that the entire question is social and not at all biological (albeit perhaps in poor jest). And I’d agree that as a common usage term hybrid is unwieldy, I’d bend to ArmyOfKittens’: “transwoman” et.al.
posted by Smedleyman at 2:12 PM on July 10, 2006

posted by Smedleyman I don’t call them freaks because that is not my position. ‘Freak’ is a perjorative term. Hybrid is scientifically accurate. A hybrid is something heterogeneous in origin or composition, that is, consisting of dissimilar constituents and/or originating outside the body. This has no bearing on their reality in their new gender. I grant the term also means ‘combination’ but it is, structurally speaking, perfectly accurate.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain to you how and why terminology which may indeed be scientifically accurate often does not function as socially acceptable vernacular. "Oriental", and "midget", are, structurally speaking, perfectly accurate terms, but we don't use them, because they're offensive.

posted by Smedleyman If a person who formerly had a penis was surgically altered to have a vagina, that person’s gonads have been altered. It is not a criticism to state that fact. Nor is it a denial of their new gender, it is, in fact, implicit in the term: hybrid. By definition, they are now something other than what they were.

However, calling a person who has had his or her gentialia reassigned "hybrid" and not "male" or "female" is to deny them the recognition they seek and are owed. I do, however, concede the decision of terminology is best left to the owner(s) of the genitalia in question.
posted by fandango_matt at 2:58 PM on July 10, 2006

Wait, I owe transsexuals a new gender identity? And here I thought that's what Medicare was for.
posted by nomisxid at 4:10 PM on July 10, 2006

He didn't. Poorman was gone many years before that. Ricky Rachtman was there just before Carolla took over.

really? well i guess all the drugs worked, then. or most likely i stopped listening to loveline and one day noticed that poorman was gone.
posted by joeblough at 4:27 PM on July 10, 2006

fandango_matt

Why is "Oriental" offensive? I've been trying to puzzle that one out for a long time.
posted by Mental Wimp at 4:34 PM on July 10, 2006

posted by Mental Wimp Why is "Oriental" offensive? I've been trying to puzzle that one out for a long time.

My understanding is "Oriental" is a way for white people to refer to people from "the Orient," which itself is a reference to British colonialism, somewhat akin (but not identical) to calling Native Americans "Indians." I could be wrong, though.
posted by fandango_matt at 4:52 PM on July 10, 2006

“...why terminology which may indeed be scientifically accurate often does not function as socially acceptable vernacula...”

Swell, perhaps you’ll have the time or inclination to read my post wherein I explicitly differentiate between the social insult leveled at Coulter and the scientific reality of transexuals. Perhaps you’ll take the time to digest the meaning of the term “concession by omission” and will understand how pointless it is to allow oneself to be threatened by words used by one’s opponent.

“...calling a person who has had his or her gentialia reassigned"hybrid" and not "male" or "female" is to deny them the recognition they seek...” - posted by fandango_matt

Perhaps you read each of my sentences in a vacuum. Each utterly divorced from the whole. I specifically mentioned I wasn’t addressing gender in use of that term. Genital surgery is simply alteration of plumbing. A neovaginoplasty performed on a male (for example) creates a perineogenital complex that is very much like any other. A persons sexuality, their gender is indeed I agree their business. This does not change genetic differences for purposes of say the administration of medicine. A transfemale would still have to be assigned drugs as though she were a male. Deny that, and you deny their reality as a human being. I make no judgement on the social aspect of their sexuality nor their gender, merely make a statement of their biological reality. Give a transfemale drugs as though she were a biological female and her liver will explode. Note I use the terms “she” and “her” recognizing the social and linguistic reality there.
But again - my purpose was to differentiate the social perception of transexuals as used to insult Coulter from the unreality of Coulter and the use of the term transexual to denote that, and the reality of transexuals themselves. My intent was not to insult anyone or deny anyone any recognition of anything. And I’ve stated that plainly several times. And my willingness to cede to whatever term is socially acceptable should be proof.

“"Oriental", and "midget", are, structurally speaking, perfectly accurate terms, but we don't use them, because they're offensive.”

Midget was a medical term which became offensive. (Who’s fault is that, mine?) But if I said there are people who are “Hypopituitaric” it wouldn’t be insulting.
Little people have hypopituitarism, it’s the scientific term for their biological state. “Oriental” was more an ethnic grouping (with ‘occidental’ - which, oddly, isn’t insulting) than a scientific term and yes, has become offensive. But nowadays we still use terms such as “Negroid, Caucasoid, and Mongoloid” for less precise racial grouping or more importantly for forensic analysis. If I say Bruce Lee had a mongoloid skull, it is a scientifically descriptive term for the shape of his skull. That it also happens to be a perjorative term doesn’t change that when I use it in context.
Futhermore, I’m quite certain that being afraid of or provoked by language used by one’s detractors is very much a way to maintain distrust, hamper communication, and facilitate insularity. One need only look at the term “nigger” to confirm that. (I’m thinking Dick Gregory here). Indeed - am I now depriving African-Americans of their reality using that term in any way at all? What if I call a given transexual person (I’m mad at) a God damned shit-eating motherfucker? Does the social stigma on those words outweigh the use of the term ‘hybrid’ used in a purely neutral sense? Does calling one transexual a motherfucker somehow mean I think they’re all motherfuckers?
But maybe I’m using the term wrong. Maybe I slept through one too many biology classes. If I’m wrong using the term ‘hybrid’ then that’s my mistake and I apologize. But context is everything. If I were using the term in a derogatory manner I’d be guilty of what you’re saying. I didn’t. No fucking apology.
I don’t want to fight with you, but if you don’t want to accept that I meant no harm, and won’t take my word for it when I explicitly say so, than that’s your problem not mine.
posted by Smedleyman at 5:10 PM on July 10, 2006

We can't use midget? Get outta here. And for that matter, if Oriental is out of use, surely it's only because the new word for the old land is "Asian."
posted by five fresh fish at 5:24 PM on July 10, 2006

GAFCR!
Ann Coulter behaves reprehensibly. It's enough that Adam Caroll blew off this arrogant twitch. T3h PC has gone to a monster here.
It's exactly what she would have wanted, you pudwhackers. Nice job.
posted by nj_subgenius at 5:34 PM on July 10, 2006

...er, Carolla. OK, OK.
posted by nj_subgenius at 5:35 PM on July 10, 2006

“GAFCR!”
Gift of Adoption Foundation in Columbia River ? That’s very nice nj_subgenius
posted by Smedleyman at 5:43 PM on July 10, 2006

close this thread o great ones, they have no chat room.
posted by nj_subgenius at 5:58 PM on July 10, 2006

I still don't understand why "oriental" is considered a pejorative term. Apparently it's acceptable to refer to objects as oriental, but people from the Far East are called Asian. But that raises another issue: I'm Iranian, and Iran is in Asia, but I'm not considered Asian. It would be like if the term "European" only applied to Eastern Europeans. Oh well, I'm sure 20 years from now Asian will be considered a racist word and will be replaced by something else.

Incidentally, all this talk of transsexualism reminded me of Adam Carolla's rant on the subject during a Loveline show (and I'm paraphrasing): " Men who want to have a sex change operation have to go through an elaborate psychological evaluation to determine if they're sane enough to have the surgery, but to me, wanting your dick lopped off is the very definition of insanity." Yeah, he's not exactly Mr. Sensitivity.

And I remember Dr. Drew mentioning a pattern of men having gender reassignment surgery in order to have lesbian relations with other women, which I found really odd.
posted by Devils Slide at 6:38 PM on July 10, 2006

It's amazing how "liberated" the Left is. You should all be proud of yourselves.

No, that would be excessive. Hey, nobody's perfect, but at least we're still several orders of magnitude better than you right-wing cunts. Not that that's difficult.
posted by Decani at 7:03 PM on July 10, 2006

Devils Slide : "But that raises another issue: I'm Iranian, and Iran is in Asia, but I'm not considered Asian."

In the UK you would be.
posted by Bugbread at 7:37 PM on July 10, 2006

Almost every "male to female" transexual I've ever seen has a harsh male set of features on their face that I have a hard time reconciling with my (heavily reinforced on a daily basis by every image I see) preconceived notions of feminine beauty. Don't take offense at that, ArmyofKittens, I certainly don't intend any, I just have yet to meet a woman who was born male that looked physically attractive.

Isn't it entirely possible that you have met several attractive transexuals but you didn't know that they were transgendered because they did indeed comform to your preconceived notions of feminine beauty? You aren't noticing that transexuals are ugly. You're just noticing a few ugly transexuals.
posted by LeeJay at 10:05 PM on July 10, 2006

Here's audio of Ann Coulter hanging up on a DJ (McGraw Milhaven, KTRS-AM Radio) while on the same book tour because he asked her about her opinion of the illegal immigrant issues and hadn't read her book... Makes Corolla's bit more amusing to me. (In case you have trouble with the above link, here's a link to the mp3 file)
posted by spacelux at 11:22 PM on July 10, 2006