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Motherfucker: The Movie to document the well known travelling party in NYC. Is it a "turn of the century Studio 54" or a "scene even beneath most hipsters"? And will we ever see a film of Michael T's other project, Rated X: The Panty Party? [photos here -- NSFW]
posted by rottytooth (86 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

 
Wonder if anyone will ever regret those pics being online...
posted by melt away at 4:21 PM on July 14, 2006


melt away: no, they are idiot hipsters. they'll be working at starbucks for the rest of their lives.
posted by casconed at 5:09 PM on July 14, 2006


Didn't Studio 54 have celebrities......and models?
posted by skepticallypleased at 5:15 PM on July 14, 2006


I tried. I really did. Especially since there were boobies. But I don't get what the hell these articles and this thread is supposed to be about? A party, right? AND?

It seems like it might be interesting in that fucked up sort of way I like. But I can't stop my eyes glazing over while I read it. Even the nudie pictures are sort of... well, dull. Am I missing something? Is it just me?
posted by tkchrist at 5:23 PM on July 14, 2006


I was going to write a short story called Night of the Hipster, in which a small town redneck is bitten by a feral hipster and has to be tracked to a cornfield Rave by his cheerleader girlfriend and sheriff father. But then I didn't.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:26 PM on July 14, 2006


get ready... here we go again with the hipster hate.

Really, I absolutely love the scene (or any scene that arbitrarily declares itself cooler than the rest of the world), even though I'm waaay to old to be in it. I love that some young people know how to have a decadent good time. It's not political as old fashioned punk rawk, but it's good and filthy, execessive, and reckless. Reminds me of new wave in the 80's or the early rave scene. Good for them. Can't wait to see what's next.

they'll be working at starbucks for the rest of their lives

...just because you're not Old Navy Mainstream doesn't mean that you're going to be financially or occupationally retarded.

Didn't Studio 54 have celebrities......and models?

True, but nowadays, anything that a Hollywood celebrity does that tries to be iconic or fashionable automatically kills that trend -- remember trucker hats, Van Dutch, and Juicy Couture -- the week after People magazine had what's-its'-face wearing it all over the front cover, we quietly hid all that in a lower drawer in the back of the closet... many of these hipsters have model hotness to me.
posted by Extopalopaketle at 5:32 PM on July 14, 2006


More people need to party hard once in a while. You guys are kind of a drag, y'know? It's okay to deviate from socially accepted "normal" behavior every now and then. Hell, I think it's a good thing even if it does mean a little bit of inevitable binge drinking and drug use. The rampant, excessive sexuality on the other hand, that's even better!

I'm not saying we need to destroy all social mores and whatnot, but I do believe our culture is excessively repressed, sexually and chemically. casconed evidences this with the immediate assumption that because these people are partying they don't currently and never will have a productive role in society.
posted by polyhedron at 5:33 PM on July 14, 2006


agh. Von Dutch.
posted by Extopalopaketle at 5:33 PM on July 14, 2006


Didn't Studio 54 have celebrities......and models?

The Misshapes and Tarts of Pleasure parties have been attracting more and more movie and music celebrities. Motherfucker may just be a little too far out there for now.

Otherwise, what Extopalopaketle said.
posted by liam at 5:45 PM on July 14, 2006


Neo-54?
posted by liam at 5:52 PM on July 14, 2006


I remember when Von Dutch was a name that was only pronounced in half-whispered tones, mainly because somebody else's attempt at pin-striping really sucked in comparison. Nowadays, people might as well be saying Jordache.
posted by Smart Dalek at 5:53 PM on July 14, 2006 [1 favorite]


Oh, and on a tangent, am I the only person who thought Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (followed by Virtual Light, by William Gibson) when they read "travelling party?" I'm a huge geek and a loser, I know.

I'm kind of interested in the history of the travelling party, does anyone have any good references? Have there ever been persistent, mobile parties, or are travelling parties limited to themed parties at rotating venues? Are they a relatively new phenomenon or have there always been travelling parties? It doesn't seem like they'd really work without the cultural excesses of our modern times, but similar events probably could've taken place in ancient Rome. Anyone care to bust out their scholarly credentials on the topic?
posted by polyhedron at 5:53 PM on July 14, 2006


Oops. That link's not working for me.
posted by liam at 5:53 PM on July 14, 2006


I'm not saying we need to destroy all social mores and whatnot, but I do believe our culture is excessively repressed, sexually and chemically.

So why aren't you saying it, then? If everyone was properly drugged and getting laid regularly, we would be in utopia. Get on the bus, people!
posted by Meatbomb at 5:54 PM on July 14, 2006


I once saw Utopia when I was extremely drugged. Best concert evar!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:56 PM on July 14, 2006


Looks like a swinging time. Reminds me of when the wife and I went to those fetish balls back in the day.
posted by Balisong at 6:14 PM on July 14, 2006


I have to admit, I'm jealous. It's been a long time since I saw the inside of a decent party.
posted by lekvar at 6:39 PM on July 14, 2006


remember trucker hats, Van Dutch, and Juicy Couture -- the week after People magazine had what's-its'-face wearing it all over the front cover

Von Dutch stuff was never Anyone who would consider that cool at any point in time is automatically a tool.
posted by delmoi at 7:00 PM on July 14, 2006


Reminds me of a room party at a Sci-Fi con.
posted by Tenuki at 7:00 PM on July 14, 2006


I mean von Dutch clothes and 'fashion' was never cool.
posted by delmoi at 7:01 PM on July 14, 2006


Sort of like those wildlife specials where the older, crippled wildebeest slinks off to die in peace away from the younger herd, probably due to being ravaged by a pack of hyenas, I feel no longing for "cool" parties any longer. Sure, parties with good music and nice people and single women, but irony is lost on me these days (since I ingested so much of it in my 20's).
posted by bardic at 7:06 PM on July 14, 2006


Reminds me of a room party at a Sci-Fi con.

For a long long time I've wanted to start a pick-a-picture site called Hipster or Cosplay? but I am far too lazy. So here is my special idea, for some MeFite to steal or deride.
posted by furiousthought at 7:26 PM on July 14, 2006 [1 favorite]


Hipster or Cosplay?

Hipster parties are all about cosplay. They are pretty much the same. Eg: Here in Vancouver all the good houseparties (going to clubs is sooo suburban) demand costumage -- all year round. I swear, it's like a different Halloween every two weeks 'round here.

On a side note, despite attending hipster parties, hip-hop types never dress out of character, which is odd considering pretty much every other subculture/clique will.
posted by Extopalopaketle at 7:35 PM on July 14, 2006


I'm not saying it doesn't look like a good time or anything.. I just tend to imagine how incriminating internets photos will come back and bite someone. That's either from getting older or just knowing people that it's happened to.
posted by melt away at 7:36 PM on July 14, 2006


overprivileged young white people having a ball. whoda thunk it.
posted by jimmy at 8:01 PM on July 14, 2006


I've been. It's ok. Holloween was pretty awesome but the other two I went to were so so.

Better pictures.
posted by joegester at 8:19 PM on July 14, 2006


Hipster parties are all about cosplay. They are pretty much the same. Eg: Here in Vancouver all the good houseparties (going to clubs is sooo suburban) demand costumage -- all year round.

You will note I specifically said "steal" or "deride". Did you see "oversemanticize" presented as an option? Did you? What? Huh?

I just don't know what to do with you people.

Look: if you provide pics of the same dude dressed up as whatever-the-hell on like lastnightsparty.com and dressed up as some chick from like Neon Genesis Evangelion at Sakura-Con or something, then, only then, will I concede your point.
posted by furiousthought at 8:20 PM on July 14, 2006


I have more fun sitting at my computer snarking on the internets.
posted by liquorice at 9:09 PM on July 14, 2006


I have more fun sitting at my computer snarking on the internets.

i don't doubt that they're having fun. seems weird that they don't aspire to anything more, though.
posted by jimmy at 9:12 PM on July 14, 2006


I wasn't being sarcastic.
posted by liquorice at 9:21 PM on July 14, 2006


...Or was I?
posted by liquorice at 9:21 PM on July 14, 2006


"aspire to anything more"???

It's a party... what else exactly would they be aspiring to?
posted by Spacelegoman at 9:22 PM on July 14, 2006


getting jobs, maybe. that'd be a good start.
posted by jimmy at 9:24 PM on July 14, 2006


Dude... if they don't have jobs how do they afford their costumes and where do they live? Most of them don't look like they're starving, either.

Maybe they don't work 9-5s (who the fuck works 9-5? More like 7:30-6 these days, or worse) but I suspect most of those people have some form of income. Whether or not you consider their jobs demeaning enough or requiring enough "hard work," I doubt too many of the pictured people are scamming off their parents.

I get the impression you associate white & young with pampered and overprivileged. Kind of racist, don't you think? The demographics seem to be a pretty representative slice of society anyway. Judge not, etc.

And as hard as it may be to believe, successful people party too, often harder due to having more capital to invest in a good time.
posted by polyhedron at 9:45 PM on July 14, 2006


polyhedron wrote:

Oh, and on a tangent, am I the only person who thought Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (followed by Virtual Light, by William Gibson) when they read "travelling party?" I'm a huge geek and a loser, I know.


Me, too! Wanna compare towels?
posted by retronic at 9:45 PM on July 14, 2006


I get the impression you associate white & young with pampered and overprivileged.

yes, i assume that these young white party-goers are pampered and overprivileged.
posted by jimmy at 9:50 PM on July 14, 2006


All seems like a rerun.

Party Monster - The Shockumentary

Party Monster : A Fabulous But True Tale of Murder in Clubland

and the Macaulay Culkin/Seth Green masterpiece *cough, cough*, Party Monster.
posted by ericb at 9:59 PM on July 14, 2006


Michael Alig and the Club Kids .
posted by ericb at 10:16 PM on July 14, 2006


jimmy : "getting jobs, maybe. that'd be a good start."

You know, when I go to a party, that's what I'm all about. Passing out resumes, trying to schedule interviews in the lobby, filling out applications. Party party!!
posted by Bugbread at 10:22 PM on July 14, 2006


OOOh, another party with dead-eyed tattooed and hair dyed hipsters shuffling in unison.

Maybe you have to be a New Yorker to 'get it'.
posted by Sukiari at 11:18 PM on July 14, 2006


Dude... if they don't have jobs how do they afford their costumes and where do they live? Most of them don't look like they're starving, either.

I take it you don't have much experience with trust fund babies.
posted by D.C. at 12:04 AM on July 15, 2006


Looks like a bunch of people trying to out-cool each other in very timid baby steps. Bore. Ing.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 1:13 AM on July 15, 2006


What they're doing seems like it could be fun (not my cup of tea, but I can see how it could be fun), but in the pictures they don't look like they're having fun.
posted by Bugbread at 2:31 AM on July 15, 2006


Maybe you have to be a New Yorker to 'get it'.

Nah... the only stereotype so far thrown up I fit is "white" and I've attended Motherfucker.
posted by Auz at 2:41 AM on July 15, 2006


The best thing about this article is that it keeps referring to Motherfucker as "Mfer", which was delightfully confusing, as I kept thinking they were abbreviating Metafilter. For example:

The madness behind Mfer is brought to you by one of New York's last rock androgens

mathowie: one of New York's last rock androgens.
posted by Greg Nog at 5:03 AM on July 15, 2006


wow, it's so crazy that dudes are showing their wieners and chicks are showing their boobies!

how... cosmopolitan.

seriously!

oh, oh, oh, and -- word is no one will fuck p. hilton until at least 2007.
posted by Hat Maui at 5:09 AM on July 15, 2006


Where's a housefire when you need one?
posted by jonmc at 5:20 AM on July 15, 2006


the thing is, dude -- those scuzzmopolitans will be all like "well we don't need no water, let tha muthafucka burn/ burn, mutha fucka, burn"

they'd be impervious to any revenge fantasies of the impotent.
posted by Hat Maui at 5:23 AM on July 15, 2006


bugbread writes "in the pictures they don't look like they're having fun"

It's hard to have fun when you're trying that hard to be cool. ...but hand me another PBR, will ya? My ironic sweatband is making me hot.
posted by youarenothere at 5:57 AM on July 15, 2006


There's better pics out there of the party (not all of which show the boobahs) if you demand photographic evidence of fun being had.
I was there representing the squares, and can testify that people were, in fact, enjoying themselves.

It's a big party, and there's something for everyone, unless you got some serious hangups (it could even help you identify them). You're not forced to look at the nekkidness, but seek and you shall find.

Maybe not a job opportunity, but if you're looking for jobs at 2AM before Independence Day, good luck to you.
(I think/hope you were kidding.)

that said, the trailer to the movie looks dull, and I may just not get what it's goal is.
posted by Busithoth at 6:01 AM on July 15, 2006


So... hipsters are the one group that it's okay to hate? Jebus. People are getting drunk, acting like fools, and taking pictures of themselves. What's the big motherfucking deal?

It's like MeFi is in the apartment below the hipsters and their loud music and laughter is keeping it up at night.
posted by papercake at 6:17 AM on July 15, 2006


I don't hate them. I just think they're silly and stupid people working very hard to convince themselves that they're not boring, and reserve the right to say so.
posted by jonmc at 6:22 AM on July 15, 2006


Well, all of that just confirms what I've known with absolute certainty since I was a shy teenager: I will never, ever be even nearly cool enough for "clubs".

What a relief.
posted by Decani at 7:38 AM on July 15, 2006


papercake: I'm in the apartment above some hipsters and I wouldn't mind nearly so much if their drummer would develop an actual sense of rhythm.
posted by Decani at 7:39 AM on July 15, 2006


I wouldn't mind nearly so much if their drummer would develop an actual sense of rhythm.

One of those "One, Two, Err, Umm, What?" drummers, eh?
posted by eriko at 7:52 AM on July 15, 2006


I sympathize with you, decani.
awkward drumming can cause high blood pressure.
confuses the heart, you see.

I hear one regularly at the practice space at Grand and Berry.

It makes it much more of a challenge for the rest of the band.
posted by Busithoth at 8:29 AM on July 15, 2006


Some of the hipster-hate on MeFi seems a little excessive. I mean, I personally will never attend this kind of event. You got your death. You got your taxes. You got the fact that I will never find this sort of thing a productive use of my precious weekend. I have about as much use for this "scence" as I do for the Maspeth Lithuanian Folk Dancing Society.

But you know what? They're kids. Kids indulge themselves. Kids do dumb shit. Kids are, from time to time, not the deepest people in the world. If they wanna have some retarded fun, who am I to rain on their parade?
posted by jason's_planet at 8:48 AM on July 15, 2006


One of those "One, Two, Err, Umm, What?" drummers, eh?

More like one of those "[Come in late] ONETWOthree,three-and-a-half... err... TWOTHREE....pause...THUMP....twoTHREE....errr....what song are we playing, dudes?" drummers.
posted by Decani at 10:27 AM on July 15, 2006


Know what? Screw you guys. I'm 22 and I'm a "hipster". I listen to cool music, I watch cool music, I publish in cool magazines blah blah and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm a relativist, but I'm also pretty sure that most of what I like is "cool". I don't hate you or your taste because it's "uncool", so what's with the hate?

I party until 4 AM, I pop mystery pills, I drink a little much Friday-Saturday. But I also volunteer and work and 8-5. I'm not a trust fund baby and I'm not doing this because it's "cool". I'm doing this because I love it and because I'm young.

'sall good.
posted by GilloD at 11:15 AM on July 15, 2006


Sure, they have jobs. They work at advertising agencies!

YEEEEAAARGH gnash
posted by furiousthought at 11:27 AM on July 15, 2006


GilloD" fine, but do you have an acceptable sense of rhythm? Because dude, if not, all that fun stuff you do counts for naught. Sorry. We oldsters do like our lines in the sand. As it were.
posted by Decani at 12:33 PM on July 15, 2006


Rhythm? What does that have to do with anything, Decani? Plenty of great "indie rock" bands have fantastic drummers, but there's also a lot to be said for the egalitarian freedom of getting together with a few of your friends and kicking the shit of a song, rhythm or not.
posted by GilloD at 12:38 PM on July 15, 2006


None of those people are hipsters. They're all scensters.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:40 PM on July 15, 2006 [1 favorite]


In my opinion, if you self-identify with a group that ends in 'sters' it's already too late for you.
posted by Sukiari at 1:16 PM on July 15, 2006 [1 favorite]


Truth, Astro.

My only opinion about stuff like this is: I'm from New Orleans, and after you've spent any amount of time there all other forms of bacchanalia and debauchery seem sort of tired and listless.

Don't even get me started on Mis-shapes, either.
posted by erskelyne at 1:22 PM on July 15, 2006


GilloD, I see you found your answer.

How do you like Williamsburg? Better live it up before the condos move in and shut down the party. It'll be a sad time then, what with the headbands and PBR cans scuttling through the streets like so many tumbleweeds.
posted by erskelyne at 1:27 PM on July 15, 2006


erskelyne, your advice is a tad bit late.
My landlord let me scamper up a floor and to the rear of the building, since my windows were getting blocked by this monstrosity.

While it'll afford them a fine view of the city, (same as our roof), it'll also put them in the perfect position to watch the whores giving blowjobs on the corner. They won't have to wonder where all the spent condoms come from, no sir. And to think, they'll still have the same 15 minute walk to the nearest subway, shweet!

and GilloD, that freedom isn't free. Acoustically isolating that crap is really the only way to avoid getting called on your 'interpretation of music'. But hey, if you're tough enough to weather such criticism, bang on.
posted by Busithoth at 1:47 PM on July 15, 2006


I don't hate them. I just think they're silly and stupid people working very hard to convince themselves that they're not boring, and reserve the right to say so.

Wow, just...wow. So at what point does achieving some sort of apotheosis of self-parody lead to ritual suicide, anyway?
posted by hototogisu at 3:59 PM on July 15, 2006


GilloD Keep on Bro.

There was a time when I could stay up party'n and clubbing till 3am and still work a 12 hour day starting at 7am. I miss that natural energy that youth provides. Dang. That was AWESOME.

Don't hate the hipster. Frankly I don't really know what hipster means anymore? Other than "not me."

It used to mean a somewhat overly fashion conscious person that rides the tide of pop, takes drugs, and get's laid.

Hell. Except fot the fashion conscious part (that's what my wife is for) I guess it describes my twenties fairly well. And if your smart and lucky it should describe YOUR twenties.

Like others have said it's what being young is frigg'n FOR in a successful society with surpluses.

If you can't enjoy the fruits of your forefather labors by staying up late, get'n fucked up ,and getting laid— then what the hell is the point of civilization at all?

Civilization is FOR creating a non-productive class. That class is called your twenties (Biology usually steps in and forces you to outgrow it).

BTW. What I think makes us old coots poke fun isn't JUST the jealousy. It's this. Partying has become an odd little subculture to itself. People don't stop talking about it. Like it's an frigg'n art form bragged on as original to the current generation. From Burning Man to Raving. Maybe that's a result of the Internet, though. Not some generational abnormality.
posted by tkchrist at 3:59 PM on July 15, 2006


Decani, let me make sure I'm understanding your point correctly: if the bands I listen to don't have amazing drummers, then there's no point in partying. is that what you're trying to say, dude?

these -ster bashing threads make me feel embarassed for the people that participate in them. "we" don't spend our time dwelling on you, so lay off us why don't you? go mow the grass or watch a football game or something.
posted by mcsweetie at 4:28 PM on July 15, 2006


If you can't enjoy the fruits of your forefather labors by staying up late, get'n fucked up ,and getting laid— then what the hell is the point of civilization at all?

HEAR, HEAR, MY BROTHER.

And by the way, this comic has pretty much the best definition of "hipster" that I've ever seen.
posted by Greg Nog at 6:01 PM on July 15, 2006


Busithoth : "There's better pics out there of the party (not all of which show the boobahs) if you demand photographic evidence of fun being had."

Ah, thanks. I see a lot of people preening for the camera, but I also see some people scattered about with big happy smiles.

GilloD : "Know what? Screw you guys. I'm 22 and I'm a 'hipster'."

Ok, now I'm really starting to feel the disconnect from US society from living overseas for so long. Is "hipster" a term that's actually used in self-description, like "junglist" or "rockabilly"? I always thought it was a term of degradation for young, trendy folks. Kinda like "poser". I would never expect someone to seriously say "I'm a poser." Ironically, maybe. But GilloD's comment doesn't sound ironic, so I take it that I've been totally misinterpreting what "hipster" means?

And, for that matter, what the hell does it mean? I understand "goth". I understand "rivethead". I understand "emo" (more or less). But what does "hipster" actually mean?
posted by Bugbread at 6:29 PM on July 15, 2006


but there's also a lot to be said for the egalitarian freedom of getting together with a few of your friends and kicking the shit of a song, rhythm or not.

You know, I think we've found common ground here. Because I think there's a lot to be said for the egalitarian freedom of getting together with a few of your friends and kicking the shit out of a bunch of talent-free hipsters.

I'm tearing up here.
posted by Decani at 8:43 PM on July 15, 2006


Decani, let me make sure I'm understanding your point correctly: if the bands I listen to don't have amazing drummers, then there's no point in partying. is that what you're trying to say, dude?


Ummmm... no, dude. What I was saying was the hipsters who live in the apartment below me have a drummer who can't play for shit, and that sucks and is as irritating as hell. Am I really that hard to understand or are you just fucking stupid?
posted by Decani at 8:49 PM on July 15, 2006


Am I really that hard to understand or are you just fucking stupid?

the former. I don't speak schmuck.
posted by mcsweetie at 8:02 AM on July 16, 2006


Lots of T&A.

Exactly how is this bad? Looks like a jolly good time.
posted by dbiedny at 9:12 AM on July 16, 2006


At the Pantie Party, that is...
posted by dbiedny at 9:12 AM on July 16, 2006


Uhm, Panty. Or am I just thinking panties?

I'm panting now...
posted by dbiedny at 9:14 AM on July 16, 2006


Looks like I stirred up a hornet's nest, so let's take this one by one:

"GilloD, I see you found your answer.
How do you like Williamsburg? Better live it up before the condos move in and shut down the party. It'll be a sad time then, what with the headbands and PBR cans scuttling through the streets like so many tumbleweeds."

Well, I didn't quite find my answer (I asked MeFi on what to do after college), but I found a little bit of guidance. I'm still at my incredibly boring and well-paying job. I realize I'm a little late to the 'burg party, but I'm not here because it's cool. I'm here because I love NYC and I wanna pull a few years in one of the world's great cities. I don't live in a hipster enclave, I live in a dominican neighborhood and it's been great feeling completely out of place, heh. Even though I went to an incredibly diverse high school, living in PA put me out of touch with things for 4 years. Blahblah MOVING ON!


"and GilloD, that freedom isn't free. Acoustically isolating that crap is really the only way to avoid getting called on your 'interpretation of music'. But hey, if you're tough enough to weather such criticism, bang on."

What? I know that freedom isn't free. It's what I have an IRA and a meticulously organized monthly budget. I work for my money, if that's what you're getting at. And as in any genre/culture there are plenty of terrible great bands to go along with all the good ones.

"these -ster bashing threads make me feel embarassed for the people that participate in them. "we" don't spend our time dwelling on you, so lay off us why don't you? go mow the grass or watch a football game or something."

This was my larger point. I can't remember anytime in my life when my friends and I sat around and debated how cool we are. The whole "hipster" life style gets picked on for being pretentious, but that goes for most people, too. Everyone wants to feel different and special. But that's know what this thread has become and is a whole debate unto itself.

"Ok, now I'm really starting to feel the disconnect from US society from living overseas for so long. Is "hipster" a term that's actually used in self-description, like "junglist" or "rockabilly"? I always thought it was a term of degradation for young, trendy folks. Kinda like "poser". I would never expect someone to seriously say "I'm a poser." Ironically, maybe. But GilloD's comment doesn't sound ironic, so I take it that I've been totally misinterpreting what "hipster" means?"

Hipster has a long and storied history as a term. I guess it's always applied to the upper-middle class misfits. Kids who are into "alternative" culture, but aren't slumming in alley ways or bus stations. Beat poets, jazz musicans etc. I'll refer you to: Hip:The History

I'm not being ironic about it. I am, by most accounts, a hipster. I like street art, I like indie rock, I dress a certain way blah blah. I'm comfortable with it.

"You know, I think we've found common ground here. Because I think there's a lot to be said for the egalitarian freedom of getting together with a few of your friends and kicking the shit out of a bunch of talent-free hipsters."

I'm glad to see you tackled the issue at hand seriously. Your problem sounds like it starts with anyone who annoys you, hipster or not.


On the upside of all this, I'm reminded of an Art Brut lyric: "I want our parents to worry about us
All we ever want is our parents to worry about us
It's what anybody really wants
?".

I was starting to worry that hadn't made you old folks worried enough about what we were up to :)
posted by GilloD at 4:25 PM on July 16, 2006


GilloD writes "Hipster has a long and storied history as a term. I guess it's always applied to the upper-middle class misfits. Kids who are into 'alternative' culture, but aren't slumming in alley ways or bus stations. Beat poets, jazz musicans etc."

Thanks...but that's kind of vague. I wasn't asking about the general ethos of hipster, but concretely, what is a hipster? After all, goths are generally upper-middle class misfits who are into 'alternative' culture, but aren't slumming in alley ways or bus stations, but goths aren't (I believe) hipsters. What is there that makes hipsters different from other subcultures? What is there, basically, that makes a person a hipster?
posted by Bugbread at 6:30 PM on July 16, 2006


Bugbread- I think I can outline a few things that might help you. The original association came from indie rock, I believe, especially as indie began to become much more popular around the turn of the millenium. A hipster also became very connected (undeservedly, in my mind) with a certain sense of snooty elitism. There was a predominance of taste, I suppose, the belief that your taste in things was better than everyone else's.

It was also strongly connected to fashion: ironic, second-hand t-shirts, tight jeans, vintage clothing.

I think modern Hipster-dom was also (again, unfairly) associated with irony. A faux-love for all things 80's or "cheesy". On the other hand, there was a lot of very honest heart-on-the-sleeve discourse, so there's a bizzare dichotomy there.

Much of the negative connotations of hipster-dom seem to come from the media and a backlash from within the community itself. Lately, I've started to see "Hipster" associated with anyone who is frivilous and monied and "cool". As the fashion end of "hipster" has become awfully popular of late, it seems like the term has been divorced from it's music and art leanings and is just a catch-all for unpopular "cool" kids.

How is this different from goth kids and the like? I think "hipster" is much more socially acceptable. A "hipster" is often into something well before it becomes popular. They're kind of the cool hunters, whereas goths might reject any notion of being associated with popular culture or society. I think hipsters relish the culture minutiea (Re: Best Week Ever, I love the 80's! etc.)
posted by GilloD at 7:03 PM on July 16, 2006 [1 favorite]


Ah, ok, I'm getting a bit of an impression now. Thanks.
posted by Bugbread at 7:12 PM on July 16, 2006


GilloD nails it, or pretty close.

Just for fun, I'd support (but can't actively participate in because of age) a more aggresive version of hipsterism that claims hipsters to be better than everyone else, that accepts pretension as present among all (including 'real' and 'ordinary' people).

This superiority is derived from the hipster's 4-5 year lead time on everyone else when it comes to what is popular culture. Popular culture (ie fashion anything) being the pinnacle of civilization's output -- fashion so far beyond basic food, shelter, warmth & breeding that's it's entirely useless for those things, but we still value it enough to have it affect our ability to buy food, a home, etc. So, being the pinnacle, it is fashion -- and not material assets like money and land -- that are the gauges of superiority. Kinda allows for broke people to be better than yuppies, even though all hipsters want monay still.

ok, i put down the tequila.
posted by Extopalopaketle at 8:19 PM on July 16, 2006


It seems very important for some MeFites to believe that the attendees of these parties are A) not having fun and B) worthless members of society. Why is that?
posted by skryche at 6:48 AM on July 17, 2006


Oh, dear. The better pictures
involve Confederate flags???
posted by armacy at 11:21 AM on July 17, 2006


"What? I know that freedom isn't free. It's what I have an IRA and a meticulously organized monthly budget. I work for my money, if that's what you're getting at. And as in any genre/culture there are plenty of terrible great bands to go along with all the good ones."

I guess I was more saying that if one believes that music doesn't require what might be called conventional talent, sobeit. Envelopes are pushed that way. So was a lot of the 70s. By 'not free' I guess I was just alluding to the impending criticism, which, if one really does push that envelope without any talent, can come in the form of physical harassment.

I wasn't trying to force any pecuniary valuation into the equation. Congrats on your IRA.

And the terrible bands outnumber the good/great ones stupendously, in nearly any genre I've listened to.
posted by Busithoth at 12:56 PM on July 17, 2006


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