Comments on: Prick? Wanker? Environmentalist?

Prick? Wanker? Environmentalist?

generichuman — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:03:34 -0800

Green? Probably. Peaceful? Well...

By: generichuman

generichuman — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:05:23 -0800

Funny? Debatable. Non-Youtube, but still direct link. (Thought I'd save them some traffic woes.)

By: jonson

jonson — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:08:15 -0800

I loved it, and only wished reality was more in line with this spot.

By: carsonb

carsonb — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:11:13 -0800

it's so offensive! and exactly how I feel!

By: generichuman

generichuman — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:13:14 -0800

I would agree, actually! I've been hoping something like this would catch on. Perhaps that makes me prick, too.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:16:55 -0800

They should have chosen a fatter actor. One with foreskin.

By: brain_drain

brain_drain — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:19:38 -0800

What's a little spit in your coffee if you have a sweet, sweet ride?

By: jack_mo

jack_mo — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:19:46 -0800

Good ad. That 'Peaceful?' rather implied we were going to get footage of Greenpeace activists kicking a woman to death for failing to properly insulate her loft, though.

By: maudlin

maudlin — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:20:52 -0800

He looked a hell of a lot like Stephen Harper. Who says typecasting never works?

By: fatbobsmith

fatbobsmith — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:21:25 -0800

Maybe he has a large family or needs the extra space to haul the community group he volunteers with down to the homeless shelter for charity work. Maybe he uses the vehicle for any number of legitimate reasons, where there may be no better alternative mode of transportation. Regardless of all that, I'd still spit in his coffee. But, then again, I do that to all my coworkers.

By: hoverboards don't work on water

hoverboards don't work on water — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:23:19 -0800

Peaceful? Well, yes. Is changing peoples' attitudes by taking the piss not peaceful? This is what Greenpeace looks like when it's not peaceful.

By: grobstein

grobstein — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:28:45 -0800

Or this.

By: HuronBob

HuronBob — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:28:56 -0800

Yes, using a vehicle that is less efficient than necessary makes no sense.. But the leap to the statement that ALL use of larger vehicles is wrong is...well....wrong.... Now...i'm going to hook my boat up to the suv and head to the lake... let's see those greenpeace wussies tow something behind their bikes!

By: Decani

Decani — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:29:40 -0800

What jack_mo said. What's not peaceful about that? City folk who drive SUVs are wankers.

By: ninjew

ninjew — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:33:31 -0800

He looked a hell of a lot like Stephen Harper. Who says typecasting never works? posted by maudlin at 4:20 PM CST on July 23 Although the cafeteria scene was an overhead shot with no closeup, I'm sure he was going to eat babies for lunch.

By: dog food sugar

dog food sugar — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:35:22 -0800

The ad is preaching to the converted. No one that actually drives a large car is going to watch that and think: oh wow, I should drive a more fuel efficient, smaller auto, or ride my bike and leave less of a mark on this beautiful earth. They're going to think what a bunch of judgmental twits that guy works with and dig their heels in as long as they can afford the gas. And how does a brawl (hoverboards don't work on water's link) do anything useful?

By: easternblot

easternblot — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:35:42 -0800

I was also thrown off by "peaceful?" and expecting Greenpeace attacking whalers with spears or something. This ad was awesome and funny!

By: zerolives

zerolives — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:38:23 -0800

Hey, let's *all* masturbate on TV.

By: mulligan

mulligan — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:42:04 -0800

The typical jerk sees this and comes out thinking:

Wow, so all those people can't afford an SUV? Such is the fate of those of us hard working affluent patriots!

By: telstar

telstar — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:50:39 -0800

No way would the whole office be against him. There'd be factions, he'd have buddies who liked to ride around in his "portable livingroom". And no doubt some of the women would be attracted to a guy who could afford such an unnecessary behemoth.

By: humanfont

humanfont — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:53:28 -0800

Whales contain a lot of oil and are carbon neutral. What's needed is whale farming to create biodeisel. As a more serious answer. The world is going to consume as much gasolene as can be produced. In fact by using less gasolene individually all your doing is making it possible for more people to drive cars (reducing the demand for gasolene and therefore reducing the total cost of owning a vehicle thus driving consumption back up). What is the breakdown of the energy required to produce and market a car vs. the cost of driving it? In a rough guess its probably 4 or 5 years of driving before the carbon put up by the gasolene exceeds the amount created in manufacture. All that aluminum, steel, and rubber didn't just get it self out of the ground and get transformed into machined parts. You arn't saving the world driving your Prius; and I'm not killing the world in my SUV. In fact because the net profit on the SUV was higher for the manufacturer the relative cost of energy required to produce the vehicle was lower (because we all know that SUV's are poorly made with less features than a typical sedan). So while I may be using up one type of energy (gasolene), I'm using up less of another (mostly from coal fired power plants). One answer is to reduce overall gasolene consumption by imposing a fuel tax of $3-$5/gallon. Of course this will only reduce fuel consumption at the national level. If other countries don't do the same they will be able to take advantage of a fuel subsidy from our nation as we arbitrarily reduce our fuel consuption and they take advantage of the reduced demand to get a cheaper price. So in order to make this work from a gas consumption perspective one needs a worldwide policy on gas tarrifs.

By: reklaw

reklaw — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:53:54 -0800

Yeah, fun as this is, you'd win way more people over with simple statistics about how much you save in petrol in a year, how SUVs like to roll over in accidents -- basically, play to the selfishness. But I guess Greenpeace prefers to give us all a laugh than actually persuade anyone of anything.

By: neek

neek — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:53:59 -0800

Well, I don't know about you guys, but here in Ottawa, a lot of people see a hummer drive by and they sneer in disgust. So I suspect this ad isn't so much manufacturing a feeling out of nothing, as underlining an existing sentiment. I think it's clever. But I have to wonder if it gets any airtime, given how sensitive TV stations are to upsetting their sponsors.

By: reklaw

reklaw — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:54:33 -0800

... in a year with a smaller car, that should be.

By: neek

neek — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:55:23 -0800

Reklaw: People are far more likely to be persuaded by irrational social fears than by statistics. That's why we have mouthwash for sale, after all.

By: Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese

Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:55:43 -0800

I really do wish more people would get rid of their SUVs and drive smaller, more efficient cars. That would make it a lot easier to park my Escalade.

By: dreamsign

dreamsign — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:56:36 -0800

That was excellent, and hardly anti-peace. With regard to "not everyone who has a larger vehicle has one unnecessarily" this is certainly true, but I am staggered by how that appears to be the exception rather than the rule. Rather like whizzing past traffic in Toronto recently in a two-person "carpool" (I'm still amazed that 2 people is considered high-occupancy) while traffic sat almost deadlocked in the other lanes. Vehicles, all sizes, by the hundreds, one person apiece. I *had* thought that whole urban-single-occupant thing was a bit of a myth, but seriously, there were precious few vehicles in that "high occupancy" lane.

By: geoff.

geoff. — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:57:30 -0800

Expanding on humanfont, it would probably be rise to keep buying gas guzzlers because at least in the US we have emission criteria above say, China or third world nations. Wrap your hippie brains around that. The only real solution is an energy solution that is cheaper than what we currently have.

By: tsarfan

tsarfan — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:57:30 -0800

i was expecting more violence. hell those co-workers didnt even put sugar in his gas-tank or let the air out of his tires. seems like a company of wankers.

By: Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese

Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:57:32 -0800

If other countries don't do the same they will be able to take advantage of a fuel subsidy from our nation as we arbitrarily reduce our fuel consuption and they take advantage of the reduced demand to get a cheaper price. I think this means we have to hurry and use up all the oil before any other country does.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:01:09 -0800

Bad as an ad - dumb and juvenile, unsubtle, prissy, self-righteous. And I say this as someone who shares the same feelings about those vehicles and the sad people who drive them. But, live and let live - they're stupid vehicles for most people to be using as everyday transport, the coolness will wear off and reality will sink in, and eventually the masses will come around and go back to enjoying Accord/ok maybe Caprice-sized car cars. I don't want to live in a world where everyone turns on a guy just because, for all sorts of complex reasons, he makes a poor choice at the car dealership.

By: stavrogin

stavrogin — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:07:07 -0800

They really should have used a Humvee or an Escalade. I think the H2 commercials that had a man feeling emasculated by someone purchasing large hunks of meat was a much better anti-SUV spot.

By: dreamsign

dreamsign — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:08:51 -0800

Flashman - it was juvenile and wholly image-based (you should do the right thing because people will like you?). That being said, I think the presumption about unnecessary-SUV-drivers is that they chose their vehicle due to image, so attacking that image is exactly on the mark. Want to be seen as macho? Want that image to also include "dork, asshole, and general misanthrope"? A similar effect worked for fur, for awhile.

By: pracowity

pracowity — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:13:25 -0800

The ad is preaching to the converted. No, it was preaching to the convertible (not the car, silly, the people). Many people want big cars because, well, they want big cars, but they also want to be cool. If Greenpeace can't plant a seed of doubt in a few percent of those borderline people, some of them will be persuaded that it is better to be socially accepted (and morally correct at the same time) than to drive an idiotmobile around town. It appears to be intended as an antidote to car ads intended to convince people that big cars will set them free and make their lives exciting and happy. Unfortunately, for every Greenpeace ad, there are a thousand pro-car ads. By the way, saving the world is not anti-peace, it is pro-peace. Destroying the environment is anti-peace -- it kills directly now and it will kill more through the human upheaval that global warming will cause.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:21:24 -0800

A similar effect worked for fur, for awhile. Yeah, I thought about this, but to me that issue is a lot more clear cut, since you're dealing with the actual, patently unnecessary cruelty and abuse of animals. Whereas personal transportation is more of a grey area.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:22:43 -0800

I just think there are more subtle and effective ways of working the same idea into the general consciousness.

By: Skwirl

Skwirl — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:23:14 -0800

humanfront: That's a great bit of convenient ratitonalization, but it's only true if the price of gasoline is the only barrier to entry to driving, which is clearly BS. There's insurance, traffic, cost of maintenence, and, guess what, some people just don't like to drive. Wow. But I guess making the streets more miserable by driving an urban behemoth that (a) accelerates slower at traffic lights and therefore creates slower traffic, (b) shifts the collision risk away from you and onto the person you hit, while still being less safe for you because of rollover risk, and (c) are hard to see around, etc, etc... would contribute to fewer drivers, right? Basically, your argument boils down to: I deserve to drive and people who are poorer than me do not.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:23:59 -0800

Don't do them any favours on the road, for example.

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:30:08 -0800

Can I own a Hummer and take the bus 50% of the time? Does that make me ok with the environazis?

By: dreamsign

dreamsign — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:34:46 -0800

I dunno. Is it ok for me to conserve water six days of the week and run the tap for no reason on the seventh? I kinda thought this was about waste but maybe that's just me.

By: delmoi

delmoi — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:36:23 -0800

I thought it was a bit much; the guy wasn't driving a hummer, just a regular SUV. I don't know how common those are in Britton, though, but here half the office would already be driving them. That said, this is a nice counterpoint to those disgusting new H3 ads that basically promote the Hummer as a sort of "screw everyone else, it's all about me and mine" attitude.

By: Skwirl

Skwirl — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:41:47 -0800

The ad itself might work. Minivans are unpopular because they're perceived as unmanly. Pickup trucks are said to be only driven by hicks. Parents who would obtain more utility from a minivan buy an SUV instead because of the imagined social cost. People who would obtain more utility from a pickup do the same thing. People who would obtain more utility from a smaller car, buy the SUV to keep up with the Johnsons. It's a strawman to say that environmentalists are against SUVs that are driven for distinct purposes, but such situations are insanely rare in the city. The Hummer is such a great example of all the excess. The H2s and H3s are cheaply built pieces of shit. There is not a single or combined purpose for which there isn't a better built and cheaper alternative. And yet they sell. Anyone who buys a H2 or H3 is a bona fide idiot. Period. The only non-prickish reason to own one is if you won it on a gameshow. The stupid thing about the SUV is that it doesn't serve any new niche that wasn't already covered (See: Minivan, pickup truck, jeep). The SUV's popularity has very little to do with function.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:44:31 -0800

The roads, and more especially the streets, in the UK are way tighter than N. America - even something the size of an S-10 or a Pathfinder is a menace.

By: Eekacat

Eekacat — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:46:06 -0800

Gasoline is the left-wing fetus.

By: Arch_Stanton

Arch_Stanton — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:48:56 -0800

The irony is the guy driving the SUV is the nicest guy in the ad.

By: blacklite

blacklite — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:49:02 -0800

I wouldn't buy a hummer, due to the ridiculous amount of waste (and they aren't even really that comfortable, although I hear H3s are better.) I am a big fan of the environment, nature, conservation, and I wholeheartedly believe that global warming has something to do with humans. But I know that if I had the money it would be very, very difficult to persuade me to not buy an Aston-Martin Volante, which get 11mpg in city driving. This is, unfortunately, what it comes down to for a lot of people. "That would be really cool. I want one." In 'alpha' and 'beta' world class cities, there's no real need to have a car, as far as I've ever seen, but the vast majority of people don't live in one, so sometimes you need a car, and cars basically suck right now. If they were all drive-by-wire electrics, then, maybe it'd be alright...

By: beno

beno — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:14:52 -0800

Greenpeace activists kicking a woman to death for failing to properly insulate her loft, though. LOL, MTX

By: TheDonF

TheDonF — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:16:44 -0800

Spot-on advert. There are too many dickheads driving cars like this for no reason. Coincidentally, I stumbled across the stopurban4x4s site a few days ago that has some good info on why these things should be banned from urban areas.

By: Mitheral

Mitheral — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:27:51 -0800

Skwirl writes "Minivans are unpopular because they're perceived as unmanly." I think it's more that they are as boring as plain white steamed rice. If you could get a 6L Hemi in a Caravan it would make the whole line cooler, not just the hemi equiped models.

By: jikel_morten

jikel_morten — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:33:45 -0800

Are all people who criticize SUVs veg*n? Cast the first stone and all that...

By: ClaudiaCenter

ClaudiaCenter — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:50:20 -0800

Love it, love it. I'm sorry, call me an "eco-nazi," but driving an SUV without a really good personal, family, or business reason is selfish given the 300% greenhouse gas emissions (compared to conventional cars) and poor mileage. And in Northern California SUVs are everywhere but having a good reason for owning one is rare, rare, rare. I'm sure you all remember the "I'm Changing the Climate! Ask Me How!" bumper stickers. Loved those too ... seems like the old site for those stickers has been taken over/sold, too bad.

By: eustatic

eustatic — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:54:05 -0800

social disapproval is a peaceful method, better than laws or force in terms of peace. And those links seemed to be about police or government agents committing violence on Greenpeace, not the other way around. I don't want to live in a world where everyone turns on a guy just because, for all sorts of complex reasons, he makes a poor choice at the car dealership. Even if that poor choice obviously leads to a lower quality of life for everyone around? why shouldn't people disapprove if he's making their lives suck? They are supposed to just hold their tongues, and be excessively polite because? Our economic choices are inevitably social decisions as well, to try to dissect one from the other is silly.

By: humanfont

humanfont — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:51:24 -0800

Skwirl it is a fantasy to think that people will not find ways to consume every bit of energy they can afford be it in SUV's, 6000 sq. foot houses surrounded by an acre of green grass, or 73 inch televisions. My argument is if you want to get rid of SUV's try taxing the fuel. I bet at $8 a gallon SUV's would become either much more fuel efficient, or much less common. This ad is saying passive resistance is so 1960's, for the 2000's save the earth through passive aggressive. If my owning an SUV really bothers you, why don't you just say, "hey neighbor, your choice of vehicle really bothers me. Have you considered a sedan." Had you done that you would find out that my reasons for buying an SUV are completely pragmatic. Spitting in your co-workers coffee has a 100% failure rate at resolving interpersonal conflicts and getting people to do what you want to do. Also I fail to see how an ad showing a SUV driver against the world will make an SUV owner feel any less validated in the no doubt rugged individualist ego trip that got them to buy the SUV in the first place.

By: IronLizard

IronLizard — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:52:35 -0800

Regardless of the point this is trying to make, his co-workers are still grade school variety assholes. Is this how greenpeace wants to be seen?

By: dog food sugar

dog food sugar — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:16:55 -0800

Exactly. This isn't going to change anyone's mind except maybe some 14 year old emo girl who was leaning to that way of thinking anyway. Go ahead and compliment each other on how environmental you are and how horrid everyone else is. But at least recognize that helps no one.

By: fungible

fungible — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:41:59 -0800

Jeez, his SUV is positively tiny compared to most of the ones on American roads.

By: Eideteker

Eideteker — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:25:19 -0800

So will my coworkers be giving me blowjobs every time I ride my motorcycle to work? Because if so, I need to switch to a job where any of my coworkers are female. Should've waited til Peak Oil to quit the bank, dammit.

By: Pseudonumb

Pseudonumb — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:43 -0800

The irony is the guy driving the SUV is the nicest guy in the ad. Except, he drives an SUV. Which, in the ad, puts him on par with a paedophile. It's a clever "what if..." kind of thing. I like it, even if it is preaching to the converted - they need reaffirmation too. Goodness knows there's enough marketing out there to reassure the irrational and insecure that their Earth-destroying penile compensation device is highly desirable and completely socially acceptable. Jeez, by some people's reaction you'd think the mild and attention-whoring Greenpeace were a bunch of Earth First!ers or something.

By: Eideteker

Eideteker — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:31:42 -0800

"The irony is the guy driving the SUV is the nicest guy in the ad." Excellent observation. But the others' vehicles are powered by their own smug passive-aggression. Good for the physical environment, bad for the psychological one, I guess? And I hope this ad was not made (or distributed!) using any petroleum products. Because unless there is demonstrable proof that this ad has a positive net effect on the environment, I cannot condone it.

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:40:54 -0800

Pajero.

By: eegphalanges

eegphalanges — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:44:36 -0800

Feeling smug and superior to someone's consumer choices is the best way to solve any problem, large or small. It builds bridges of communcation and mutual respect. I ride a bicycle, as I'm too poor to afford a car. It's a used bicycle, an old Schwinn. But my friend who only walks and drags all his possessions on a sledge ("no wheels" is a superior concept, as I still have to use oil for my chain), he's a bit more elevated than me. Most exalted is my dominatrix friend, who gets around via palanquin hoisted by former Enron executives. Yes, she's a vegan and one tough bitch. Cheers!

By: pracowity

pracowity — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:25:16 -0800

The irony is the guy driving the SUV is the nicest guy in the ad He's the nice guy because you (the viewer) are supposed to imagine that this guy could be you, a perfectly nice, non-smelly bloke doddering through life doing everything right as far as you know, but secretly despised for your stupid use of a large baby-killing machine to get to and from work. You are supposed to laugh at the ad but then to look outside at your SmokeBelcher 5000 and wonder. Or, if you have an OK car or you use a better way to get around, you are supposed to consider that and feel good about it.

By: concrete

concrete — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:59:59 -0800

preaching to the converted Maybe the ad was designed to elicit contributions from like-minded people.

By: Mitheral

Mitheral — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:31:59 -0800

eegphalanges writes "Most exalted is my dominatrix friend, who gets around via palanquin hoisted by former Enron executives." But all those executives are going to have longer lives now and are actually worse for the enviroment than just driving a car.

By: squirrel

squirrel — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:53:06 -0800

But I guess Greenpeace prefers to give us all a laugh than actually persuade anyone of anything. Well, the ad may persuade some folks who dislike SUV drivers but feel alone about it that they are in good company. And it may persuade them to act out their dislike. Two positive steps, as far as I can see.

By: hydrophonic

hydrophonic — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:03:43 -0800

pracowity is right on. The ad can only be effective if your average automove consumer identifies with the schmuck. Of course, a lot of SUV owners who see the ad will shrug and say, "They're just jealous." Threre's a particular type of consumer who prides himself on his assholery. The more you talk about social responsibility, the more attractive it becomes for them to buy a road-hogging gas-guzzler/put the loudest pipes possible on their Harley/smoke cigars in crowded places/etc.

By: Carbolic

Carbolic — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:45:09 -0800

I live in SUV land. The reason I most often hear from SUV owners for driving them is that they like being up high. I hate the MFers because I can't see anything when I get behind or beside one. Makes me wonder if some people aren't buying them so they can see over the ones that are already on the road.

By: lodurr

lodurr — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:16:13 -0800

It's nice how so much of this thread uses the stereotypes in the ad to stand in for actual meaning.

By: anotherpanacea

anotherpanacea — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:01:07 -0800

at least in the US we have emission criteria above say, China or third world nations Uh... no we don't.