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August 8, 2006 11:18 AM   RSS feed for this thread Subscribe

Ned Lamont responds to accusations of hacking the Lieberman website. In response to a reported issue with the Lieberman campaign websites, Ned Lamont claims to have nothing to do with it. In Lamont's blog you'll notice, however, that someone has divulged the real reason behind the websites not being available: "Perhaps Joe should contact Diana Fassbender, fassbenderw (at) yahoo (dot) com, the billing contact for joe2006.com at “Friends of Joe Lieberman.” She can ask their host, www.theplanet.com, how to reconcile the account and restore service. It’s 1-800-377-6103—we’re here to help. It looks like a simple case of non-payment. Pretty sloppy by the Lieberman folks."
posted by thanotopsis (376 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

"...check out the URL that joe2006.com resolves to:

server1.myhostcamp.com/suspended.page/

'Suspended'. Accounts are generally suspended for one of two reasons: 1) inappropriate or illegal content (which we can obviously rule out in this case), or 2) from lack of payment. And that would make sense given that the first screen when Lieberman's site went down was, indeed, a request that the website owner contact their billing department."



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posted by ericb at 11:23 AM on August 8, 2006


oh snap! clearly, Ned LaMont is at fault for forgetting to pay Joe's bills.
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 11:25 AM on August 8, 2006


Although.
posted by theonetruebix at 11:26 AM on August 8, 2006


"Ned Lamont claims to have nothing to do with it. In Lamont's blog you'll notice, however, that someone has divulged the real reason behind the websites not being available:"

So? How does this prove causality?
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 11:27 AM on August 8, 2006


"The Lieberman campaign has produced an email from their host claiming the outages came from a DoS attack.

It doesn't pass the smell test -- DoS attacks wouldn't bring down a site for 18 hours (or however long their site has been down). So it could be their hosting provider is either covering for the Lieberman campaign, or perhaps more likely, it is simply incompetent.

The DoS 'attack' may have merely been strong pre-election traffic....It happens to the best sites. The trick is to get the site back up ASAP, and that's what Lieberman's host appears incapable of doing...."

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posted by ericb at 11:29 AM on August 8, 2006


It's posted in the comments of the blog! Therefore, it's Ned's fault. QED. Come on, Strasbourg, try to keep up here.
posted by Plutor at 11:29 AM on August 8, 2006


Do they call this political web-slinging?
posted by NationalKato at 11:29 AM on August 8, 2006


this credulous parroting of the Lamonters line is just lame, and the information is circa 14+ hours ago. all indications now are that joe2006 got cracked. thanks to theonetruebix for the tpm link, which catches us up to the present.
posted by Dr. Boom at 11:31 AM on August 8, 2006


Those mocking the Lieberman campaign's paranoia should read theonetruebix's link. This is almost certainly is a DoS. No hosting provider in their right mind would let an account like this disabled on election day because of a friggin' unpaid bill. I've forgotten to send payment for much smaller accounts to much smaller hosting providers, and they've always bent over backwards to give the benefit of the doubt and provide uninterrupted service.
posted by gsteff at 11:33 AM on August 8, 2006


I blame Mel Gibson.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:33 AM on August 8, 2006


FYI, that email isn't from their hosting provider. It's from their Internet consultant. There's still been no statement from their hosting provider.

(Which is not to take a position on the DDoS issue either way.)
posted by theonetruebix at 11:33 AM on August 8, 2006


I'm basically pro-Lamont, but I can't wait to read Kos's apology.
posted by gsteff at 11:34 AM on August 8, 2006


Cover for Lieberman to contest election results?
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 11:35 AM on August 8, 2006


DoS attacks wouldn't bring down a site for 18 hours (or however long their site has been down)

DailyKos is full of shit. A denial of service attack can absolutely last for far longer than 18 hours.

Man, it takes balls to post something like that to the world...
posted by SweetJesus at 11:35 AM on August 8, 2006


A comment posted at Firedoglake:
"It's entirely possible the Lieberman Campaign was indeed paid up on whatever hosting package they purchased, but they had not purchased sufficient bandwidth to meet the demans. It's important to understand the difference between not paying your bill, or just not planning properly. I suspect for the Lieberman Campaign, who appear to be leaning toward being luddites, simply didn't know or plan for the bandwidth demand their site might see.

Certainly Lamont cannot be blamed for Lieberman or his campaign aides being ignorant."

posted by ericb at 11:37 AM on August 8, 2006


I want to know what Ted Stevens thinks about this
posted by matteo at 11:38 AM on August 8, 2006 [3 favorites]


can't you prove it was really a DOS attack or not? it would seem simple--just show the logs, no?

I don't buy it--they've been flailing and trying all sorts of dirty tricks--they've accused Lamont of having stock (which Lieberman himself owned), they've passed out flyers at black churches accusing Lamont of racism, they've shouted Lamont out everywhere, etc...
posted by amberglow at 11:39 AM on August 8, 2006


matteo -- the tubes must of blown a fuse somewhere!
posted by ericb at 11:39 AM on August 8, 2006


Update: As many readers have noted, Dan Geary does not in fact work for the campaign's web host, as Gerstein indicated. Geary is an internet consultant for Geary Internet Strategies who works for the campaign.

So when you produce a letter from you're hosting company saying you paid your bill and it turns out to be fake, what are people supposed to think about that?
posted by bob sarabia at 11:40 AM on August 8, 2006


If Lieberman loses the primary tonight, they'll blame the Internets! Oh noes, those nasty bloggers, haxors, and others!
posted by ericb at 11:41 AM on August 8, 2006


oh, also, Lieberman's "friends" are tarring Lamont in the WSJ with comments left at third-party blogs, while the loudest supporters for Lieberman himself are insane rightwingers like Coulter.
posted by amberglow at 11:41 AM on August 8, 2006


From the Lieberman campaign -- "Well...
We’ve offered to send our tech guru over to fix their website problems. That was over an hour ago… no response."
posted by ericb at 11:42 AM on August 8, 2006


Oops... I mean -- from the *Lamont campaign*.
posted by ericb at 11:43 AM on August 8, 2006


. <------For Democracy.
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 11:43 AM on August 8, 2006


In re: that firedoglake comment- again, no sane hosting provider would ever disable an account like this because of some silly financial issue. There is no way that this is because of an unpaid bill or a exceeding bandwidth. Unless the Lieberman campaign went with an absolute bargain basement provider, which they didn't, no one would shut down service on election day because of something like this.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Lieberman campaign told the hosting provider not to be in any rush to get the site back up, since it provides a nice election day story. But this was a DoS.
posted by gsteff at 11:44 AM on August 8, 2006


That Gerstein is the same one from DC who screamed in that coffee shop at Lamont?
posted by amberglow at 11:44 AM on August 8, 2006


again, no sane hosting provider would ever disable an account like this because of some silly financial issue.

Many sane hosting providers are large enough that they use automation to handle things like bandwidth throttling. Case in point: Theplanet.com is pretty big, and pretty old, and probably does this as well.
posted by thanotopsis at 11:46 AM on August 8, 2006


If only websites like this were on some sort of higher 'tier' for us classy individuals could access them without fear of interruption by DoS's, virii and myspaces.

I'd be willing to pay double, no, quintuple my current internet bill!
posted by sonofsamiam at 11:46 AM on August 8, 2006


Another point regarding bandwidth overages: standard procedure in the hosting business is to bill nice juicy surcharges when an account goes over, not to shut it down. That's the point: to make money. Its not a bandwidth overage.
posted by gsteff at 11:47 AM on August 8, 2006


Leiberman2006.com isn't even resolving. That's weird, isn't it?

amberglow writes "That Gerstein is the same one from DC who screamed in that coffee shop at Lamont?"

That was someone name Richard Goodstein.
posted by mr_roboto at 11:47 AM on August 8, 2006


gsteff, how do you explain this: ...I post because Marion Steinfels is running around proclaiming that someone hacked her site. This isn’t the first time they haven’t paid their bills, it happened when the stupid bear-cub ad ran and Sean Smith bragged all the traffic (from people mocking the ad) crashed their site. Same notice.

But since the Hotline Blog ran with Marion’s story (sort of), I had to post this here because they are undoubtedly peddling the story to other outlets as well. Passing on a different screen shot than the one above, from after they paid their hosting fees. ...

posted by amberglow at 11:48 AM on August 8, 2006


Many sane hosting providers are large enough that they use automation to handle things like bandwidth throttling.

True, but providers that big also have people monitoring availability 24/7, and for an account like this, they'd have responded very quickly to provide whatever resources were needed.
posted by gsteff at 11:50 AM on August 8, 2006


amberglow:

Nope, that was Goodstein.

in general:

Given the extent to which polls have tightened in the past few days, and given the historically weak performance of candidates chiefly popular with younger voters (who are less likely to actually vote), I expect that Lieberman will win the democratic party's nomination... albeit with a very thin margin of victory, and subsequently weak mandate.
posted by The Confessor at 11:51 AM on August 8, 2006


That Gerstein is the same one from DC who screamed in that coffee shop at Lamont?

That was richard goodstein actually.
posted by bob sarabia at 11:51 AM on August 8, 2006


The DoS 'attack' may have merely been strong pre-election traffic....It happens to the best sites. The trick is to get the site back up ASAP, and that's what Lieberman's host appears incapable of doing...."

My ass. The Planet is a kick ass host. Large tech sites (HardOCP) and small sites alike are hosted there. The small tech site I work for gets dugg/slashdotted occasionally. We call up The Planet, and they give us the bandwidth and performance we need to keep up with it. No problems whatsoever.
posted by SirOmega at 11:52 AM on August 8, 2006


"TPM Reader RB chimes in on the Joe website mystery
...I own a web hosting company (***********.com) that uses the same software as the Lieberman site. That screenshot that the Lamont folks grabbed is a standard automated warning from a website control panel known as "Cpanel". Most large webhosts host many thousands of domains and their systems are automated. If a bill goes unpaid, or bandwidth is exceeded by a specified amount, the site gets auto-suspended and that Cpanel page replaces the index page. It's possible that the site was suspended for exceeding their bandwidth allotment as opposed to not paying their bills, but for someone like Joe Lieberman to not have his ducks in a row on the night before an election like this is quite telling.
Other knowledgeable emailers suggest the same possibility -- not that Joe folks necessarily forgot to pay their bill but that they tripped some bandwidth or server load limit and hadn't made arrangements in advance to keep the site online if this happened." -- Josh Marshall
posted by ericb at 11:52 AM on August 8, 2006


amberglow: it could be a crashed server because of incompetent tech people on Lieberman's side, as that link suggests. But it definitely was not a financial issue.
posted by gsteff at 11:53 AM on August 8, 2006


So when you produce a letter from you're hosting company saying you paid your bill and it turns out to be fake, what are people supposed to think about that?

The letter wasn't fake. It was mis-attributed in the original TPMmuckraker item as being from the hosting company.
posted by theonetruebix at 11:55 AM on August 8, 2006


Bush kissed Lieberman. Lieberman is either winning the election, or swimming with the fishes. Only time will tell. All else is just sleight of hand.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:58 AM on August 8, 2006


more like jOWNED2006 amirite?
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:00 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]


Bush kissed Lieberman.

Joe's and W.'s Fabulous Wedding [Flash]
posted by ericb at 12:02 PM on August 8, 2006


It looks like their host is not ThePlanet.com but rather myhostcamp.com, which leases servers from ThePlanet. www.joe2006.com is currently redirecting to server1.myhostcamp.com/suspended.page/.

OK, so http://joe2006.com/ is hosted by http://www.myhostcamp.com which is currently redirecting to http://suspended.page/ which is obviously not a proper address. Looks like their ISP is INCOMPETENT, speaking as a UNIX admin, there is no excuse for redirecting to an invalid domain other than stupidity. I was thinking that the redirects could be done as a last ditch attempt on a load balancer if the server farm was overwhelmed, but guess what. There is no load balancer, a tcp fingerprinting shows its a Linux host, and not only that, it's not even running a firewall.. MySQL is running on an open port (pretty sizable security hole), and oddly enough, it's running an IRC daemon - which is a notoriously stupid thing to run if you value your bandwidth (its a service just begging to be used for DoS). Looks to me like it's either 1) amazing incompetent admins or, more likely 2) a honeypot server just asking to be crashed so someone can point fingers. No admins I know are stupid enough to setup a server like this.

...so it looks like a managed server which planet.com leases to myhostcamp.com, who runs multiple domains on that one machine (unless its a round robin DNS load balancing scheme, but I haven't detected that after resolving from four different locations, so it looks like a single machine).

Oddly enough, myhostcamp.com has a very small (re: almost no) online presence, tho it does show up here: http://www5.geometry.net/... "Geometry.Net - Religion: Evangelical Free Church Of America" some sort of click harvesting link page.

Strange going ons, looks pretty phony to me. [source]

posted by ewagoner at 12:03 PM on August 8, 2006



posted by ericb at 12:03 PM on August 8, 2006


I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I always wait until the day of an election to find out information about the candidates. Who's this Joe Lieberman guy? Where can I find out? I guess I'll just vote for Lamont.

In other words....what the fuck does it matter?
posted by graventy at 12:03 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]


This sort of hacking/ fake hacking/ whatever is gonna become SOP in hot races, isn't it?

Maybe if candidates' websites got to the point where they just went down by default on Election Day, like real quick, we can be spared years of ridiculous computer-based rumormongering about who haXXored who, was it an inside job, and grrrrgggh.
posted by furiousthought at 12:04 PM on August 8, 2006


TPM update: the DoS attack was preceeded by an SQL injection attack.

If anyone is curious, SQL injection is one of the oldest, simplest hacks out there... more than 10 years old. There's a million ways for any halfway competent web dev to avoid them. So that's one sign that the Lieberman tech people really are incompetent.
posted by gsteff at 12:05 PM on August 8, 2006


Let's get to the important Joe news. Has he or has he not accepted Steven Colbert's invitation to come on the Report?

I would do it for the Cocoa Puffs, if not the company.
posted by illovich at 12:05 PM on August 8, 2006


no sane hosting provider would ever disable an account like this because of some silly financial issue.

It's automated. Although a simple phone call would be enough to turn it back on if it really was a billing issue.
posted by cell divide at 12:05 PM on August 8, 2006


It's automated. Although a simple phone call would be enough to turn it back on if it really was a billing issue.

I know, that's what I meant. If that were the issue, the site would be up again instantly.
posted by gsteff at 12:07 PM on August 8, 2006


Has he or has he not accepted Steven Colbert's invitation to come on the Report?

No. Though I would pay cash money to be in the audience for that one if it were to occur.
posted by blucevalo at 12:08 PM on August 8, 2006


Well, it's pretty clear that it's not a simple billing issue. That makes the FPP pretty crappy, doesn't it? Maybe we could get an edit?
posted by mr_roboto at 12:11 PM on August 8, 2006


There are 73 other doamins on the same server as Joe's. I haven't checked them all, but the ones I have are up and running fine. I was especially fond of bottleblankie.com.
posted by ewagoner at 12:12 PM on August 8, 2006


Joe2006.com could've made the IP logs available a long time ago (even if they couldn't log into the admin panel they could ask for the file to be sent by the hosting co.) , the fact that they haven't suggests they've got a big fat nothing to back up that it was a DoS attack. The fact that it's still down is either a sign of extreme incompetence or they're milking this for all it's worth. Fuck them. Fuck Chris Matthews and the WSJ's LAnny J. Davis (who has a cigarrette burn given to him by frat brother Bush) and to hell with Joe the hypocrite.
posted by Skygazer at 12:17 PM on August 8, 2006


You can almost here the JOEmentum fizzing out there...
posted by clevershark at 12:19 PM on August 8, 2006


Heh... LaunchProof.com is also on the same server, and they chose an unfortunate business name: "Launchproof.com -- Coming Summer 2005"
posted by ewagoner at 12:21 PM on August 8, 2006


1- take own server offline
2- claim DOS attack from opponent
3- ...profit!

It's as likely as anything else that's been proposed here...
posted by clevershark at 12:21 PM on August 8, 2006


jomg
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:22 PM on August 8, 2006


In the time it took Joementum to file his complaint with the Connecticut's Attorney General, Chief State's Attorney, and the United States Attorney's Office...he probably could have had someone get the site up and running again.

Priorities, eh?
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 12:22 PM on August 8, 2006


One question: why are CT voters, or any of us at all, supposed to care about this unless it can be traced back to one of the campaigns?

Either a stupid pro-Lamont hacker decided to take the site down to hurt Lieberman, or a stupid pro-Lieberman hacker took it down to implicate the Lamont campaign for sabotage. In neither case does this tell us anything new about the candidates, except that Lieberman is enough of a weasel to make unfounded accusations in the hopes of picking up a few sympathy points.

The only telling piece of evidence is that the Lieberman campaign does have access to the server, as demonstrated here.
posted by Epenthesis at 12:22 PM on August 8, 2006


Joe2006.com could've made the IP logs available a long time ago

I doubt that they'd do this if they're also planning legal action. They'd ask their lawyers first, and that could take a few hours.

the fact that they haven't suggests they've got a big fat nothing to back up that it was a DoS attack. The fact that it's still down is either a sign of extreme incompetence or they're milking this for all it's worth.

Well, I'd guess that the attackers stopped once they realized how counterproductive it was. No question about their incompetence or that they're milking it though. No matter what went wrong, they could have had the site back up a long time ago if they wanted to.
posted by gsteff at 12:23 PM on August 8, 2006


Lamont campaign links to Joe's Google cache site.
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 12:27 PM on August 8, 2006


joe2006.com is running on the IP address 69.56.129.130. If this is a DoS attack, we should see slow response times, dropped packets, and an otherwise terrible response to pings, right?
$ ping 69.56.129.130
PING 69.56.129.130 (69.56.129.130) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=35.5 ms
64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=35.8 ms
64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=36.4 ms
64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=35.6 ms
64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=5 ttl=57 time=35.4 ms
64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=6 ttl=57 time=30.1 ms
64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=7 ttl=57 time=35.6 ms
--- 69.56.129.130 ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6062ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 30.188/34.966/36.419/1.975 ms
That looks pretty good to me. A traceroute also indicates all packets are go for that IP address.

Furthermore, there is, in fact, a webserver running on that IP address, which is running the cPannel software. Response times vary, leading me to believe there is high load on the machine from time to time, but it always returns the default "There is no website configured at this address." message.

This leads me to further believe that there is no DoS attack.
posted by sequential at 12:35 PM on August 8, 2006


Is there such a thing as a DoS attack that is designed NOT to overwhelm the server, per se, but to instead rack up insane bandwidth overage charges? Don't take 'em down, but hurt 'em real bad?
posted by frogan at 12:37 PM on August 8, 2006


I almost missed this... meetned.com, the Lieberman campaign's Lamont attack site, is also on the same server, and is up.
posted by ewagoner at 12:38 PM on August 8, 2006


Chris Matthews interviewed someone from the Lieberman camp about this...in his maddeningly vague, focus tested PR man language he's claiming their e-mail is down as well.

An MX lookup shows their mailhost to be on the same IP.

73 other websites hosted on the same IP, all of which are up...but Joe2006's email and web services are offline (and they're claiming a DOS attack?) Funny, the IP responds to pings just fine. Their name servers are up, and there appears to be no DNS hijacking going on (everything resolves to where it's supposed to). And this late in the day (a very important day at that), their hosting company still hasn't / can't be reached?

So far all we have is one website down and not a shred of evidence to back up their accusations and blamestorming. A letter from a consultant who works for their campaign means less than nothing. At this point, my guess is someone didn't pay for their bandwidth.

(And in this particular case, I wouldn't rule out the old "bugging their own offices and blaming it on their opponent" trick. They're pretty desperate.)
posted by edverb at 12:41 PM on August 8, 2006


mr.curmudgeon: "Lamont campaign links to Joe's Google cache site."
posted by

Lieberman campaign links back to Lamont site.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:46 PM on August 8, 2006


The other site ewagoner references on the same server are bogging down as well.

Here's what I think happened:

The campaign hired someone to build their website, who hosted it as a shared account on their Planet/ServerMatrix box. All's fine, except the traffic is more than the box can handle. Site keeps going down. Maybe the site was built in a load unfriendly way, maybe it's making a ridiculous number of database calls. I've seen big companies make this mistake-- looks fine in dev mode, but you didn't test it under load and it breaks.

At this point, all the traffic generated by reports of hacking on Mefi and Kos etc are creating an effective DOS attack.
posted by justkevin at 12:50 PM on August 8, 2006


Ned is in ur base, DDOS'in ur d00dz.
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:52 PM on August 8, 2006


StrasbourgSecaucus links back to MetaFilter discussion.
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:52 PM on August 8, 2006


Why Lieberman's Site Is Down
...it's clear that Lieberman's website isn't suffering from a Denial of Service attack.

But now I have the definitive answer as to why Lieberman's site went down.

They are paying $15/month for hosting at a place called MyHostCamp, with a bandwidth limit of 10GB. MyHostCamp is currently down, along with all their clients.

Here's the deal -- you get what you pay for. My hosting bill is now over $7K per month. A smaller site doesn't need that much bandwidth, but if you're paying $15 because your $12 million campaign is too freakin' cheap to pay for quality hosting, then don't go blaming your opponent when your shitty service goes out.

For their part, the Lamont campaign has offered its technical expertise to get Lieberman's site back up (which could be done in an hour by a competent sysadmin), and has added a link to the googlecached version of Lieberman's site at the top of their blog.

One side is acting mature, the other is running around making baseless accusations.

Update: Dan Gerstein, Lieberman spokesperson, admits they have no evidence Lamont's campaign or his supporters are behind their website woes.

I'm telling you, it's down because they were too cheap to pay for quality hosting. That's a lesson to all of you campaigns skimping on hosting. $15 won't cut it."
[source]
posted by ericb at 12:55 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]


That Kos post is inaccurate. As ewagoner noted above, there are 73 other domains at that IP address. They may or may not be on the same physical server as joe2006.com, but they're almost certainly all being hosted by myhostcamp. Near as I can tell, all the domains at 69.56.129.130 are all up. So the problems are not affecting all of mybasecamp.

I also find it absolutely hilarious that this is now the lead story at nytimes.com.
posted by gsteff at 12:57 PM on August 8, 2006


Phew! Glad that's over! Now the talking heads can move on to reporting the really important news. Right? Riiight?
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 12:58 PM on August 8, 2006


It's getting nasty out there.
posted by NationalKato at 12:58 PM on August 8, 2006


NationalKato

That made me fall out of my chair laughing!
posted by The Confessor at 1:01 PM on August 8, 2006


$15 a month. I spend more every month on blunt wraps than Joe spends keeping his website online.
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 1:02 PM on August 8, 2006 [2 favorites]


"It looks like this could be simple incompetence on the Lieberman campaign's part. They aren't apparently running a load-balancer or a firewall.

...Here's an email from a technical contact....Bottom line, it shouldn't have taken the Lieberman camp more than an hour to fix this.
1. Unless and until Lieberman's hosting provider releases his logfiles (gateway router, www server, mail server, DNS server) for forensic review, all of this is speculation.

2. Using the following information:
a. the site has been down for 18 hours
b. email to (and from?) Joe2006.com addresses has been affected
c. Joe2006.com and mail.joe2006.com resolve to IP 69.56.129.130
d. the reverse lookup on that IP is 82.81.3845.static.theplanet.com
e. joe2006.com now forwards to http://server1.myhostcamp.com/
suspended.page/
3. It's highly unlikely this is a true DoS of DDoS attack. This is because we can ping all the IPs noted above and we can see the page at http://server1.myhostcamp.com/suspended page. If this was a real DoS or DDoS attack, we'd not be able to see any of this and their servers would not be answering their ping at an average of 50ms (millisecond) per packet. True attacks bring down servers, routers and networks. From all available outside evidence this does not appear to be the case.

4. Here what might have happened:
a. Web traffic spikes as national focus on the campaign grows
b. Based on (2b) above, if the webserver is throttled by traffic (due to actual traffic or poor response tuning or an attack or a combination of the three), this would also affect mail delivery to joe2006.com. It could also affect outbound mail if users on that domain use that address for SMTP service.
c. The server is most likely a shared one, since the name, server1.myhostcamp.com, implies lots of other hosts live on it.
5. Regardless of the explanation (3 or 4), here is what you do when that happens:

a. You grab your local backup (you do have a local backup of your files (both scripts and database snapshots, right?).
b. You find a host that specialized in high bandwidth hosting and you get an account going ASAP. There are plenty of ISPs that would take your money to expedite this.
c. You move your files up, test that everything is working
d. You redirect your DNS so that Joe2006.com points to you new server; this change doesn't take very long to propagate because you make sure that the DNS update uses a very low TTL (time to live).
e. If needed, you separate your mailserver mail.joe2006.com from your webserver joe2006.com/www.joe2006.com so as to keep your mail up and going.
Steps a-e can be accomplished, especially with the kind of site Joe had up and running before this incident (nothing particularly complex), in less than an hour or so by a competent sysadmin."
[source]
posted by ericb at 1:11 PM on August 8, 2006


So when Slashdot or MeFi or DailyKos, sites with many thousands of visitors, link to a website, we're calling that a denial of service attack now, huh?

That's cute.
posted by teece at 1:18 PM on August 8, 2006


I work as lead Systems Administrator for a medium sized bank.

I did some poking around, and ewagonder and sequential are on the money. This site is not down due to a DOS attack (at least not currently, possibly originally, but who DOS attacks for 10 mins then stops?)

Man thats really amazingly funny if it is true that their account is the baseline account. Thats like Honda premiering their new 2008 cars, and someone forgetting to pay to have them washed. Who is that stupid? I mean honestly, with this much riding on the next 24 hours, who is stupid enough to not bother to get the right service? If intentional did they really honestly expect that people would say "oh lol DOS attack, hate when that happens! Man I better not vote for Ned!"
posted by Addiction at 1:18 PM on August 8, 2006


From TPM:

"We're just fighting to get something live," he said, "we're not security experts."

Obviously. Here's my guess. Joe has run his entire campaign through cronyism and old connections. Most likely Lieberman knew a guy who knew a guy who did hosting. And this is the result. Just like the Bear ad and the rest of their horrible campaign, they ran a totally incompetent. Operation and either left their site open to hax0rs or simply used up all their bandwidth. And their host (being incompetent) can't figure out how to turn off their automatic throttling software.
posted by delmoi at 1:22 PM on August 8, 2006


"For the past twenty-four hours my toaster oven has been acting funny. I turn the little darkness thingy all the way up and the toast still comes out only half toasted. I believe this is a retaliation by my political opponents for my blogging about their dirty tricks.

Since becoming a left-wing wacko I have lived my commitment to being lax on security by occasionally leaving my front door unlocked. It would be child's play for my political opponents to sneak in, diddle with my toaster oven, and slink back out into the night their nefarious diddling accomplished. Of course, it's totally unreasonable to expect me to be able to fix it myself.

I call on Senator Lieberman to make an unequivocal statement denouncing this kind of dirty campaign trick and to demand whoever is responsible to cease and desist immediately. Any attempt to suppress voter participation (how can you vote when you're worried sick about your toaster oven?) and undermine the voting process on Election Day by depriving me of decent toast on which to slather my peanut butter is deplorable and has no place in our democracy."
[signed] BranfordBoy
posted by ericb at 1:24 PM on August 8, 2006


By the way, joe took in 1.2 million dollars yesterday. He obviously could have afforded good internet service. I think the host is lying about the hack to cover their asses.

They did put up a really simple page that I saw last night saying they were having difficulties, etc. Now it's back to the suspended page (which also times out itself). I really think that the sysadmin running their host just doesn't know how to turn off throttling. There's also a possibility that the traffic is overloading their actual CPU, rather then using up all their traffic.
posted by delmoi at 1:25 PM on August 8, 2006



posted by ericb at 1:28 PM on August 8, 2006


D-Joe-A
posted by xod at 1:28 PM on August 8, 2006


Remember when Karl Rove found the bug in John Clements' campaign office?

What a hoot...
posted by Navelgazer at 1:29 PM on August 8, 2006


I was walking across the New Haven green after leaving work today, and there were some people holding signs supporting Dan Malloy. Some guy walking behind me kept yelling "Lieberman! Lieberman!" at the people, apparently not realizing that Malloy is running for governor, not for a seat in the senate.

Who cares about websites? Can we do something about idiots?
posted by eunoia at 1:30 PM on August 8, 2006


Near as I can tell, all the domains at 69.56.129.130 are all up. So the problems are not affecting all of mybasecamp.

It's myhostcamp, not mybasecamp. And neither http://myhostcamp.com nor http://69.56.129.130 load for me.
posted by delmoi at 1:30 PM on August 8, 2006


TANGLED UP TUBES! not a truck
posted by edverb at 1:37 PM on August 8, 2006


Weird, meetned.com does load, and it's on the same IP. Very strange.
posted by delmoi at 1:37 PM on August 8, 2006


delmoi, try using this page to ping that IP Address. The server is not down, nor are the other sites hosted on that IP address.

On preview: as you've just noted.
posted by sequential at 1:38 PM on August 8, 2006


big-truck
Hehe.
posted by delmoi at 1:38 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]


Lamont campaign links to Joe's Google cache site.

Sysadmin here as well, in claims processing. As to the idea that their email is down, you can go to the form on the cached version and sign up for the newsletter, and get an acknowledgment email back...

Also:
$ dig joe2006.com mx
(trimmed stuff from here -- eriko)

joe2006.com. 86364 IN MX 10 mail.joe2006.com.

$ telnet mail.joe2006.com 25
Trying 69.56.129.130...
Connected to mail.joe2006.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220-server1.myhostcamp.com ESMTP Exim 4.52 #1 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:36:59 -0700
220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited,
220 and/or bulk e-mail.
HELO
250 server1.myhostcamp.com Hello [XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX]
1) joe2006.com has an mx record. (They only have one. Silly rabbits.)
2) There is, in fact, a mailserver answering there.

So, the "fact" that they're not getting email is their own fault. They're advertising a valid mailserver to send mail to them. That mailserver is up. If the server isn't configured to accept mail for them, that's their fault.
posted by eriko at 1:41 PM on August 8, 2006


NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:44 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]


It will be interesting to see what the investigation finds out.

Just watch – will we ever see such an article?

Lieberman Camp Admits to Gross Incompetence
Associated Press | August 15, 2006
The campaign of Senator Joseph I. Lieberman admitted that their website was not “hacked” on the day of the Democratic primary race for the United States Senate between Mr. Lieberman and Ned Lamont, a Greenwich multimillionaire whose antiwar candidacy proved unexpectedly strong, but that it "crashed" due to the “gross incompetence” of the system administrator responsible for maintaining their technical operations. “It’s true,” said Mr. Lieberman’s campaign manager, Sean Smith, “We should have never listened to Senator Stevens’ recommendation that we hire a television repairman to maintain our tubes on the Internet.” Smith, referring to Senator Ted Stevens (R.-Alaska) recent claim that the Internet is a series of tubes, and “not a truck,” added, “It is unconscionable that our opponent did not inform us earlier that we were operating a sub-par website and e-mail operation. Furthermore, how dare they wait until the day of the election to offer us their technical support at the time of our greatest need?”
I doubt it.
posted by ericb at 1:57 PM on August 8, 2006


From the New York Times:

Mr. Lieberman, meanwhile, canceled the last two events of his 10-day bus tour, citing a lack of voters at the polling stations.

Really? 14,000 newly registered CT democrats, another 14,000 who just switched sides before the election, and there aren't enough voters?

I just spoke with my sister, who had to go to three different polling stations this morning before finding her ownclaimed that each one was packed, and wehen she finally got to vote herself at 9:30, over three hundred people had voted in that station alone. A line of ten people formed behind her in the time it took to look up her name.

By contrast, in the 2000 primaries, my sister lived in Dallas, and became the delegate for her district, and then region and beyond, purely by being the only Democrat to show up (a disproportionate part of Texas ended up supporting Bill Bradley) This primary seems a little better attended.

But Joe's probably right. CT doesn't really care about this race.
posted by Navelgazer at 1:58 PM on August 8, 2006


Update:

From an email:
http://www.meetned.com/ 69.56.129.130
http://www.joe2006.com/ 69.56.129.130

MeetNed.com - Up.
Joe2006.com - Down.
DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. This isn't a DoS attack.

Will the Lieberman campaign reimburse state and federal investigators wasting resources to confirm that the site went down because the campaign was too cheap to hire a quality hosting provider?"
posted by ericb at 2:03 PM on August 8, 2006


ericb writes "DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. "

Just because meetned and joe2006 have the same IP address doesn't mean they're running on the same server.
posted by mr_roboto at 2:12 PM on August 8, 2006


I think this is something the Lieberman campaign have cooked up themselves, to reverse-smear Lamont and get a ton of publicity.
posted by Flashman at 2:13 PM on August 8, 2006


ericb *quotes from DKos website*: "DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. "
posted by ericb at 2:15 PM on August 8, 2006


I just heard that Lieberman's campaign manager found out his office was bugged.
posted by ryoshu at 2:24 PM on August 8, 2006


From TPMMuckraker:

Lieberman's internet consultant Dan Geary, who oversees Joe2006.com, says he's still sure that their site suffered a "malicious attack." But when pressed, he said that they weren't sure that it was a "Denial of Service" attack, as he'd said earlier. He didn't have any more information about the nature of the supposed attack. "I've spent 99% of my time speaking [to reporters] about the story," he said.
(emphasis mine)

Unsolicited advice, free of charge: You should be spending 99% of your time getting the site back up, you knucklehead.

These guys are full of it. This is a ploy. If they were truly concerned about the site, they'd be getting it up on a different host by now and their consultant would be locked in a room somewhere until it was done, like any other responsible party would do in this situation. Instead they are milking this for all it's worth.

I guess it depends on the factors his job hinges upon. Most webmasters would be sweating their job (and their reputation and career) right now.

This jackass isn't managing a web presence. He's managing perception. He's not neglecting his job...he's doing it.

gg n00b
posted by edverb at 2:26 PM on August 8, 2006


I've built lots of websites on crappy shared servers. This sort of thing isn't common, but you'd have to be pretty noob-like in the shared host web dev field to have never seen it. Either -

1) You call them up and they turn you back on. This takes minutes.
or
2) You move the site to a new host using backups.

I've actually done #2 in under an hour. And that includes browsing the hosts plans, buying the service, switching DNS, loading the content & database, and getting mail running.

Either we see the log files or it's Lieberman staging a media circus.

"No. Don't fix it. We can use this. Just leave the site down. In fact tell the hosting service to leave it down."
posted by Wizzlet at 2:27 PM on August 8, 2006


"For the past 6 years my toaster brain has been acting funny. I turn the little democracy thingy all the way up and the toast brain still comes out only half toasted baked. I believe this is a retaliation by my political opponents for my blogging about their dirty tricks.

I call on Ned Lamont to make an unequivocal statement denouncing this kind of dirty campaign trick and to demand whoever is responsible to cease and desist immediately. Any attempt to suppress voter participation (how can you vote when you're worried sick about your toaster brain?) and undermine the voting process on Election Day by depriving me of a decent toast brain on which to slather my peanut butter disastrous Bush hand jobs is deplorable and has no place in our democracy."
posted by Skygazer at 2:28 PM on August 8, 2006


Quoting Kos: DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. "

Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.
posted by SweetJesus at 2:29 PM on August 8, 2006


Joementum's tubes guru now admits it might not be a DoS, despite his earlier and repeated insinuations that it was.
posted by theonetruebix at 2:29 PM on August 8, 2006


"He didn't have any more information about the nature of the supposed attack."

Smoking gun right there. If you can't get detailed info on an attack within a few hours, the attack didn't happen. Heck, why wouldn't you be able to get specifics about the attack immediately? Seriously. I'm asking. How is it possible this guy wouldn't know the exact nature of the attack?

I haven't used it in a long time, but I'm prtetty sure you could even noob it using cPanel and figure out what was going on.
posted by Wizzlet at 2:34 PM on August 8, 2006


I'm still waiting for the part where we get to beat Lieberman with electrical cables.
posted by warbaby at 2:35 PM on August 8, 2006


Oh, man. I want "tubes guru" on my business card.
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:35 PM on August 8, 2006


I'm gonna be so bummed tomorrow when Lieberman vs. Lamont is over. I can't wait to see if my Democrat beat your Democrat.
posted by pardonyou? at 2:37 PM on August 8, 2006



I think this is something the Lieberman campaign have cooked up themselves, to reverse-smear Lamont and get a ton of publicity.


I think so too, especially after them bragging about how the bear ad was so popular it crashed them.
posted by amberglow at 2:40 PM on August 8, 2006


I can't wait to see if my Democrat beat your Democrat.

You misspelled "Republican."
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:41 PM on August 8, 2006


Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.

Exactly. I'm by no means a Lieberman fan but this is total BS. I remeber kuro5hin being down for months due to DOS. I cant stand that hack or his hacktastic dem fansite.
posted by anomie at 2:41 PM on August 8, 2006


but I'm prtetty sure you could even noob it using cPanel and figure out what was going on.

Yes, even in the first versions of cPanel, you could pull raw logs right off of the server. Innumerable products on the web allow you to do log analysis on your desktop, produce pretty graphs, and all for either a measley charge or well within their free trial period. Later versions of cPanel allowed for server administrators to run included versions of web-based statistics software. It's now just a matter of clicking an icon on the main cPanel page to get all sorts of referrer statistics, load information, and bandwidth stats.
posted by thanotopsis at 2:46 PM on August 8, 2006


As a registered CT Democrat I will be voting for Ned Lamont
this evening. Although Leiberman has gotten my vote in the
past it was never without a sigh. Joe always has an expression on his face like he just got blown. Before the war was an issue he wasted his time on issues like violence in video games. After the latest poll showed him picking up ground, he said earlier polls indicated that his
supporters had wanted to send him a message, which he got, so now democrats will say "OK then!" and get back in
his chorus line. What an ego.
posted by longsleeves at 2:49 PM on August 8, 2006


Quoting Kos: DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. "

Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.


Ok, so how does a DoS attack take out site on a shared server?
posted by MikeKD at 2:54 PM on August 8, 2006


Alexa shows the domain joe2006.com receiving no or almost no page views for greater than 24 hours, possibly as long as four days. Not that Alexa is hugely reliable for this sort of thing, but it's interesting to note.

The linked graph also shows the stats for nedlamont.com for the same period. A click on the rank tab shows joe2006.com cracked the top 100,000 websites for a period of a couple of days in June while nedlamont.com has cracked the top 100,000 a few times in the same period and is currently at about the 40,000 mark.
posted by sequential at 3:00 PM on August 8, 2006


Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.

It's not Kos's opinion. He quotes from an e-mail the website received.
posted by ericb at 3:08 PM on August 8, 2006


I so wish I lived in Connecticut right now, just so I could vote that lying, crass, manipulative, thug-machine politician-zombie out of office.
posted by blucevalo at 3:08 PM on August 8, 2006


After reading everything, it really looks like smoke from the Leiberman campaign.

He knows he may lose, so he tosses a hail mary.

Most voters aren't tech savvy enough to understand "his bandwidth was exceeded."

So his campaign tries to obfuscate.

It's not quite an illegitimate black child, but its still pretty dirty.
posted by The Jesse Helms at 3:13 PM on August 8, 2006


Just because meetned and joe2006 have the same IP address doesn't mean they're running on the same server.

True, that IP address could be of a load balancer. But I doubt it.

Without knowing the internals of their setup, we can only speculate what went wrong. I'm sticking with the idea that dynamically generated php/mysql site got hammered with more traffic than they were expecting. The admin shunted everything on joe2006 over to a suspended page to keep the rest of his sites up. Not sure why he hasn't setup another dedicated server for joe2006 yet, though.
posted by justkevin at 3:13 PM on August 8, 2006


Wonkette: Lieberman Campaign's Website Woes Own Damn Fault:
"Why the hell is Joe Lieberman’s campaign site hosted by these people (site down — probably not because of dirty deeds, by the way) under the cheapest plan available? And why do Lieberman’s FEC filings say he’s paying $1500 to a different company for web hosting? No, we seriously want to know. These aren’t rhetorical questions.



We have to assume that Lieberman paid the guys named above (click to enlarge slightly) to find hosting, and “2 Dog Media” went with the cheapest option available..."

posted by ericb at 3:14 PM on August 8, 2006


Ok, so how does a DoS attack take out site on a shared server?

DoS just means denial of service. It could be something like requesting a bunch of data off the server in order to make the page blow its quotas. That wouldn't affect other pages. Or it could affect something that one page needs, and another doesn't, like a java servlet container or MySQL or something. It's certainly possible.
posted by delmoi at 3:16 PM on August 8, 2006


For the interested:

http://packetstormsecurity.nl/DoS/
posted by The Jesse Helms at 3:18 PM on August 8, 2006


I want to know what Ted Stevens thinks about this

TANGLED UP TUBES! not a truck

It's all so clear now. Clearly Stevens has diverted oil from the troubled Alaska tube to the tubes connecting Lieberman's website in retaliation for Lierberman's debate comments against bridge to nowhere, despite earlier voting for it.
posted by scottreynen at 3:18 PM on August 8, 2006


I so wish I lived in Connecticut right now, just so I could vote that lying, crass, manipulative, thug-machine politician-zombie out of office.

You can replace "Connecticut" with any state in which someone is running for retention this year. I take your point, though. Contrary to what pundits are saying, this is not all about Iraq, or even about the Bush kiss or the Hannity ... well, the Hannity getting to third base. It's about the entitlement associated with incumbency, the fact that Joe feels like he owns his seat and that the primary challenger is stealing what is rightfully his. The inevitable backlash when Joe tries to run as an independent will shift the meme from Bush-enabler to incumbency addict.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 3:54 PM on August 8, 2006


See, I don't understand the Kos quotes here.

First:

"They are paying $15/month for hosting at a place called MyHostCamp, with a bandwidth limit of 10GB. MyHostCamp is currently down, along with all their clients. "

Followed by:

"DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. This isn't a DoS attack."



Anyway, this looks like a DoS attack to me. But any random script kiddie can pull that off, kinda pointless to go blaming Lamont.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 3:55 PM on August 8, 2006


National Review blog:
"Joe2006.com was setup by Dan Geary who has an e-mail address at Hotmail and no discernable website. Likely, someone in the Lieberman camp knew Geary to be 'technical' and someone who could help out. I’ve never heard of myhostcamp and I’ve been working with websites and website providers a long time, making it possible that Geary personally knows, or is even involved with, the myhostcamp.com hosting company.

While it’s possible that someone actually hacked joe2006.com, from what I’ve seen, this seems to be the least likely option. More likely, this whole episode started last night with a simple over-usage of bandwidth....This looks to be simply the work of an inexperienced technical consultant...." more ...

posted by ericb at 4:00 PM on August 8, 2006


According to dailykos's interpretation of Lieberman's SEC filings, Lieberman's campaign paid $1500 to a company called "two dog media" to manage their web presence. this appears to be 2dog's website.
posted by delmoi at 4:11 PM on August 8, 2006


My own googling also turned up this company also called 2dog media.
posted by delmoi at 4:14 PM on August 8, 2006


The second one is based in CT and has some CT clients.
posted by delmoi at 4:15 PM on August 8, 2006


As has been noted above, others find that the Lieberman camp's e-mail is indeed working.
posted by ericb at 4:20 PM on August 8, 2006


I just read that they're gonna use this to try to justify the Independent run in November--the Lieberman for Lieberman ticket.
posted by amberglow at 4:20 PM on August 8, 2006


The second one is based in CT and has some CT clients.

That is indeed the company listed on the FEC forms -- and located in Rocky Hill, CT -- as per above in the Wonkette posting.
posted by ericb at 4:23 PM on August 8, 2006


Other clients of the Rocky Hill, CT '2 Dog Media' include:
Diane Farrell for Congress
Norwalk Democrats
Senator Bill Finch

posted by ericb at 4:26 PM on August 8, 2006


You can replace "Connecticut" with any state in which someone is running for retention this year.

Stipulated.
posted by blucevalo at 4:31 PM on August 8, 2006


So -- according to the FEC forms, 2 Dog Media was paid on 06/08/2006 ("date of disbursement") by "Friends of Joe Lieberman, 2006" $1,482.50 ($980 + $502.50) for "web hosting and web changes.'

If much of the info that is coming out is indeed accurate, it does appear that 2 Dog Media subcontracted and co-located the hosting to MyHostCamp, securing a $15/month deal. Hmmm. Where does the sampaign's technical consultant, Dan Geary, fit into all of this? Who indeed was/is responsible for technical management? Geary, 2 Dog Media, MyHostCamp -- or, even, www.theplanet.com where apparently MyHostCamp was renting server space?
posted by ericb at 4:33 PM on August 8, 2006


I find it hilarious the ridiculous coverage that this campaign is getting and the play that this particular story is getting. Plus, who gives a crap about his campaign site, its fucking election day!

Do you guys get it that Ned Lamont is a Greenwich millionaire? George Bush is a Greenwich millionaire. Talk about swallowing the BS hook, line, and sinker. Bushco is smiling if Lamont wins.

There is more to being a State Senator than Lieberman's position on the war, which by the way was shared by many Dem senators. Being from CT, Lamont winning is probably not a good thing. You are talking about removing the ex-VP candidate on a ticket that WON, and putting in some clown who wasn't able to succeed as a Greenwich First Selectman. Sheesh.
posted by sfts2 at 4:35 PM on August 8, 2006


sfts2, removing Lieberman means removing Bush and the GOP's best patsy--he's supported them, he's for going into Iran and Syria, he's against Affirmative Action, he's for School Vouchers, etc--Lieberman is out of step not only with Democrats in Connecticut but with the vast majority of voters in Connecticut entirely. Lamont is an unknown, but given who helped get him in, we won't be seeing the same behavior, believe me.
posted by amberglow at 4:39 PM on August 8, 2006


Do you guys get it that Ned Lamont is a Greenwich millionaire?

Yeah -- so, what? I'm more interested in his policy stance, a change in direction for our national Senate (not *State Senate*), etc. than his pocketbook.

While we're on the topic Lieberman is also a millionaire. Granted, not from Fairfield County, but just up the tracks in New Haven.
posted by ericb at 4:42 PM on August 8, 2006


Anyway, this looks like a DoS attack to me.1
Presuming you're not equating high volume, legitimate traffic, like the Slashdot Effect, with a denial of service attack, would you mind taking a few minutes share what evidence you've seen that lead you to conclude this?

Please consider the following in your response:My bet is technical ignorance followed by Gertein's patented political opportunism. The site had received very little traffic recently. The last time, and really only, time the site had significant traffic, during the age of the the bear-cub ad, the site was also down. Given the Alexa graph of page views, I suspect they had a couple of other outages.

On the eve of the election, they hit the dreaded built-in bandwidth usage limit in cPanel. Not knowing or understanding this, they panicked and started looking for possible solutions to their problem. Gerstein and Smith, along with their technical consultant, unable to come up with a better technical solution, find a politically convenient solution: evil, liberal hackers.

They admit they have no evidence of Lamont's involvement and they don't make it clear at any point they have evidence of a denial of service attack.

Of course, I'm speculating given the publicly available information and some knowledge of how a denial of service attack might work, but I see no evidence contradicting my conclusions at this point with one possible exception: Alexa doesn't show a spike in traffic for yesterday. Of course, Alexa is not all that accurate and not necessarily up to date through last night at midnight.
Being from CT, Lamont winning is probably not a good thing.2
In a few hours we'll find out if most of Connecticut's Democrat's agree with you as long as Lieberman doesn't contest the election. However, Lieberman, as you know from his vice presidential run in 2000, does have a history of contesting elections.

As for your assertion that it's a bad thing for any state for any candidate to win a primary: that's just plain absurd. Winning a primary means nothing to the state The winner still has to win the election.
posted by sequential at 4:42 PM on August 8, 2006


It's truly amazing the utter crap some people are spouting in this thread.

1) A DDoS attack can last many days. One of our major clients was off for most of a week due to one.

2) A DDoS attack generally does not cause a lot of logs to go back and look at. That's because most of the overwhelm the pipe, and when the pipe is full and the routers are overloaded nothing gets to the server. Further, a DistributedDoS attack is almost impossible to fight or to track down the culprits. Don't be surprised if no answer is every given for this attack.

3) It's entirely possible that the webhost took the site down due to excessive bandwidth charges or to stop the DDoS. Whether the other sites on the same IP address are still up is immaterial, since the DDoS may be effectively over now. What I'd like to know is whether they were UP when Leiberman's site went DOWN.

4) It's also entirely possible that someone less than honourable at the webhost took him offline. That ventures into conspiracy-theory levels though.

I've been a working sysadmin for nearing 16 years now. Please don't accept claims from people whose only experience is running IE on their home cable account.
posted by Kickstart70 at 4:44 PM on August 8, 2006


(if indeed it was an attack at all, of course)
posted by Kickstart70 at 4:45 PM on August 8, 2006


Please don't accept claims from people whose only experience is running IE on their home cable account.

We're listening to the media spread Lieberman's unsubstantiated accusations all over the world, and they're not checking into them at all--as usual.

... FYI to the Lieberman campaign: filing false criminal complaints can result in criminal charges being filed against the person making bogus allegations. So if you plan on filing complaints all over the state, you’d best be certain that you can back them up with facts. Smoke and mirrors may work with a complacent media, but it doesn’t cut it with a judge or an over-worked prosecutor and criminal investigators. They don’t find false complaints remotely amusing.
posted by amberglow at 4:49 PM on August 8, 2006


Do you guys get it that Ned Lamont is a Greenwich millionaire? George Bush is a Greenwich millionaire. Talk about swallowing the BS hook, line, and sinker. Bushco is smiling if Lamont wins.

John Kerry's worth $164 million. Dianne Feinstein's worth over $26 million. Ted Kennedy's worth close to $10 million. Barbara Boxer's worth over a million. Most members of the Senate are millionaires. The ones who aren't make $154k a year in salary.
posted by blucevalo at 4:53 PM on August 8, 2006


This will be the live updated vote count from CT--polls close at 8 (in 5 minutes)
posted by amberglow at 4:54 PM on August 8, 2006


Millionaires populate U.S. Senate.
posted by ericb at 4:55 PM on August 8, 2006


Here's a list that is 3 years old. The numbers are the lowest possible estimates of net worth and do not include primary residences. Ned's $90 million baseline would put him in third place - proving that cable TV is no match for ketchup or department stores.

Joementum's baseline is something like $500K, with a max of $1.8M. (I tend to measure value to our country in the number of military lives spared rather than net worth, but YMMV.)

John Kerry, D-Massachusetts: $163,626,399
Herb Kohl, D-Wisconsin: $111,015,016
John Rockefeller, D -West Virginia: $81,648,018
Jon Corzine, D-New Jersey: $71,035,025
Dianne Feinstein, D-California: $26,377,109
Peter Fitzgerald, R-Illinois: $26,132,013
Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey $17,789,018
Bill Frist, R-Tennessee: $15,108,042
John Edwards, D-North Carolina: $12,844,029
Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts: $9,905,009
Jeff Bingaman, D-New Mexico: $7,981,015
Bob Graham, D-Florida: $7,691,052
Richard Shelby, R-Alabama: $7,085,012
Gordon Smith, R-Oregon: $6,429,011
Lincoln Chafee, R-Rhode Island: $6,296,010
Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska: $6,267,028
Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee: $4,823,018
Mike DeWine, R-Ohio: $4,308,093
Mark Dayton, D-Minnesota: $3,974,037
Ben Campbell, R-Colorado: $3,165,007
Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska: $2,963,013
Olympia Snowe, R-Maine: $2,955,037
James Talent, R-Missouri: $2,843,031
Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania: $2,045,016
Judd Gregg, R-New Hampshire: $1,916,026
John McCain, R-Arizona: $1,838,010
James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma: $1,570,043
John Warner, R-Virginia: $1,545,039
Kay Bailey Hutchison, R - Texas: $1,513,046
Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky: $1,511,017
Harry Reid, D-Nevada: $1,500,040
Sam Brownback, R-Kansas: $1,491,018
Thomas Carper, D-Delaware: $1,482,017
Ted Stevens, R-Alaska: $1,417,013
Maria Cantwell, D-Washington: $1,264,999
Barbara Boxer, D-California: $1,172,003
Orrin Hatch, R-Utah: $1,086,023
Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana: $1,080,014
Bill Nelson, D-Florida: $1,073,014
Charles Grassley, R-Iowa: $1,016,024

posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:07 PM on August 8, 2006


Failure to preview, number 20496, offense, 15 yards, first down.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:08 PM on August 8, 2006


... The argument the Lieberman campaign appears to be making, then, is that though they don't have any evidence that Lamont supporters are behind the attack, the candidate himself should demand a cessation of the attack from any supporters who might have done it.
posted by amberglow at 5:09 PM on August 8, 2006


Where did all of Kohl's money come from ? I know Kerry married it, and Corzine was Wall St., and Rockefeller is a Rockefeller.
posted by amberglow at 5:10 PM on August 8, 2006


Kohl's money. I got some decent everyday sneakers for cheap!
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:12 PM on August 8, 2006


I don't know everything about Kohl, but his family owns (or owned) Kohl's clothing stores (and formerly also food stores). Currently I believe he also owns the Milwaukee Bucks.
posted by aaronetc at 5:12 PM on August 8, 2006


This story makes quite the statement about the priorities of the Lieberman campaign. $500 initial investment and $100 a month, backed up by a competent developer, gets you a dedicated 1U server with an account that can handle dozens of GB of bandwidth a month.

But of course if your, er, "technical consultant" would rather have your site hosted on a cheapo $15/month plan on a server that also hosts all sorts of other sites, you're pretty much SOL -- which is the price of making bad decisions when it comes to hiring the guy who's going to run the online part of your campaign. Not much to do in that case except to make wild and potentially slanderous accusations against your opponent and hoping that the voters will be fooled.
posted by clevershark at 5:26 PM on August 8, 2006


ahhh--we even have those around here now--thanks.
posted by amberglow at 5:27 PM on August 8, 2006


This will be the live updated vote count from CT--polls close at 8 (in 5 minutes)

Site's not working. Probably hacked by Lamont.
posted by jefbla at 5:29 PM on August 8, 2006


From amberglow's link, FIRST (partial) RESULTS ARE IN:
Windham County: 66 Lieberman, 126 Lamont!
posted by orthogonality at 5:31 PM on August 8, 2006


Site's not working. Probably hacked by Lamont.

Just before it crashed, the site showed one county reporting in--66 votes for Lieberman, 126 for Lamont. Heckuva turnout.
posted by EarBucket at 5:31 PM on August 8, 2006


Curses!
posted by EarBucket at 5:32 PM on August 8, 2006


From wtnh tv:

Precincts Reporting: 29 of 757 precincts (4%)
Candidate Votes Vote %
Joe Lieberman 4,586 40%
Ned Lamont 6,814 60%
posted by orthogonality at 5:36 PM on August 8, 2006


Kos has an update diary--maybe everyone isn't allowed to use that results site or something?
posted by amberglow at 5:37 PM on August 8, 2006


WTNH's results can be found here.
posted by EarBucket at 5:37 PM on August 8, 2006


I didn't even know we had a Windham County. The biggies are Hartford, New Haven, and Fairfield.
posted by smackfu at 5:37 PM on August 8, 2006


Wasn't Lamont projected to do better in the cities, Lieberman in the rural areas?
posted by EarBucket at 5:40 PM on August 8, 2006


The Courant seems to have the freshest numbers
posted by CunningLinguist at 5:40 PM on August 8, 2006


J O E M E N T U - - -

oh, never mind
posted by orthogonality at 5:42 PM on August 8, 2006


Unconfirmed report Lieberman has lost his own precinct.
posted by orthogonality at 5:45 PM on August 8, 2006


That result site works for me, just goes in and out occasionally. So far: Lieberman - 352, Lamont - 500
posted by bob sarabia at 5:46 PM on August 8, 2006


Personally, I don't think losing the election is enough at this point. Is there some form of public shaming we can move on to now?
posted by MrCheese!!! at 5:49 PM on August 8, 2006


11% reporting: Lieberman - 14,870; Lamont - 19,257.
posted by EarBucket at 5:52 PM on August 8, 2006


Windham County - Lieberman 138, Lamont 126

The lessons of 2000 are not lost on Joe...
posted by swell at 5:54 PM on August 8, 2006


That result site says Windham - Lieberman - 202, Lamont - 370.
posted by bob sarabia at 5:56 PM on August 8, 2006


Site's not working. Probably hacked by Lamont.

Actually, it looks more like someone else didn't pay for enough resources to serve their site. :)

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posted by weston at 5:59 PM on August 8, 2006


Official results, Sec'y of State site:


Joseph Lieberman Ned Lamont
Fairfield 0 0
Hartford 0 0
Litchfield 47 78
Middlesex 215 300
New Haven 0 0
New London 71 74
Tolland 0 0
Windham 202 370
Total 535 822

Hartford Courant results:
U.S. Senate - - Dem Primary
106 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 14.17%
Name Party Votes Pct
Lamont, Ned Dem 25,969 57.79
Lieberman, Joe Dem 18,968 42.21
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