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Chronicle of a War Foretold
August 30, 2006 11:47 AM   Subscribe

Lie by Lie. The first installment in Mother Jones' timeline of the Iraq War (Warning: big Flash file, with instructions).
posted by kirkaracha (35 comments total) 7 users marked this as a favorite

 
wow. that looks like one hell of a database of info. thx.
posted by zenzizi at 11:58 AM on August 30, 2006


Gee, based on the title, this can't possibly be biased in any way.

/sarcasm off
posted by tadellin at 12:00 PM on August 30, 2006


Exactly tadellin. It's incumbent upon Mother Jones to report on all those tons of WMD that were found in Iraq in order to remain fair and balanced.
posted by bardic at 12:02 PM on August 30, 2006


facts are unreliable sources
posted by matteo at 12:03 PM on August 30, 2006


Tadellin, sarcasm doesn't find WMDs. Truthiness finds WMDs.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 12:04 PM on August 30, 2006


sarcasm will win the war on terror.
posted by chunking express at 12:06 PM on August 30, 2006


sarcasm will win the war on terror.

Yeah, right.
posted by carter at 12:09 PM on August 30, 2006


And carter FTW.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 12:11 PM on August 30, 2006


The timeline looks to be well-research, with citations, but the presentation isn't that great. I'd prefer a larger size, and a DHTML/Ajax approach might work better than Flash in this case.
posted by kirkaracha at 12:22 PM on August 30, 2006


More baseless cynicism.
posted by tkchrist at 12:24 PM on August 30, 2006 [1 favorite]


Facts have a well known liberal bias.
posted by lordrunningclam at 12:24 PM on August 30, 2006


I think it works pretty well - there's an awful lot of data in there. But it's also a very tangled web. I think I'd like a printout as well.
posted by carter at 12:29 PM on August 30, 2006


Great information obscured by presentation.
posted by SoFlo1 at 12:31 PM on August 30, 2006


I picked up this issue of Mother Jones at a friend's house and his four year old son pointed to the cover, which features Bush in full Strangelovian bomb-riding attire and said, "Do you know who that is?" I said, "Who?" He said, "That's George Bush. He's not very nice. He wants to control the world and everyone."
posted by NationalKato at 12:38 PM on August 30, 2006


I hope your friend reported his son to the authorities. If he didn't, you should.

*looks meaningfully at NationalKato*
posted by languagehat at 12:40 PM on August 30, 2006


Beautiful resource.

Yeah, tadelin . . . real bias in those quotes from Bush and his lackeys. Care to show us any misquotes, errors, or biased statements in this? Otherwise, you can leave the sarcasm tag closed.
posted by fourcheesemac at 12:41 PM on August 30, 2006


Slight derail - Blazecock, I've already lost the etymology of "truthiness" - was it something Don Rumsfeld said or Colbert or was it from someone more or less reputable? I forget.

Anyway, the war on terror ain't working - I just about pissed myself recently (from terror, mind you) when a pack of feral dogs chased me around Fairmount Park on my bike. I kid you not!
posted by Mister_A at 12:49 PM on August 30, 2006


I wonder if they just have the straight database available for people to make a better presentation? The online presentation is nowhere near as bad as the print layout was, but it's still awful.
posted by arialblack at 12:58 PM on August 30, 2006


What were a pack of feral dogs doing on your bike?
posted by Marla Singer at 1:00 PM on August 30, 2006


It is not a lie if your holy lord and savior Jesus Christ wants you to say it.
posted by ND¢ at 1:01 PM on August 30, 2006


Waitaminute. The Bush Administration lied to us??!?! NOW I'M PISSED!
posted by keswick at 1:02 PM on August 30, 2006


Fyi, you can get a pretty good printout of the online article by buying the magazine. I got one, and while not as vivid as a 17-inch screen, the material it's made out of is ultralight and way portable -- I even took it into the bathroom. Technology rocks!

The article is well-researched, and only presents facts/quotes. Yes, how they're chosen and presented may indicate bias, but there are a helluva lotta facts here that are conveniently dropped from most histories of the war. I like how some are tagged in "this will come back to haunt someone/cause irony/expose a lie" crimson.

Plus, the cover's Dr. Strangelove photo-collage is a classic.
posted by turducken at 1:11 PM on August 30, 2006


Gee, based on the title, this can't possibly be biased in any way.

/sarcasm off
posted by tadellin at 12:00 PM PST on August 30


I'm pretty fucking sick of people failing to read the post before spouting off bullshit.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 1:30 PM on August 30, 2006


I'm actually annoyed at MoJo for skipping a lot of details related to the 2000 election, and for stopping at 2003. Why release an unfinished piece of journalism to the public?
posted by Saucy Intruder at 2:22 PM on August 30, 2006


Facts have a well known liberal bias.
The faith-based community would probably agree.

Why release an unfinished piece of journalism to the public?
I tend to agree, actually - although they're hitting a lot of the high points in the MoJo presentation, I think that some of the additional context supplied by the 2000 election is missing.

However, I did find the MoJo presentation interesting - it's been a while since I've tried to mentally weave a whole cloth out of the events of the last few years (in part because it's just too damn painful) and so this was illuminating.
posted by FormlessOne at 2:57 PM on August 30, 2006


Perhaps slightly relevant, from Romenesko: "Mother Jones doesn't get much buzz because it's based in SF":

"In New York, the media is a bunch of reflecting mirrors," says former Mother Jones editor Deirdre English. "A story in the New York Observer will be commented upon in five other publications. Mother Jones can do something huge and media doesn't comment."
posted by mediareport at 3:49 PM on August 30, 2006


You WHAT? They lied about the war!?

Why didn't someone tell me sooner!?!?!?!?
posted by reklaw at 4:08 PM on August 30, 2006


Is there a federal publication, on a .gov site, that in clear and unambiguous terms, says, "Umm ... yeah, we didn't find anything"?

I ask because I'd like to point it out to the warmongering fools I know who swear that Fox News has the courage to tell the truth - that WMD were found. If I could just say, "Dude, your own government says they couldn't find anything," that'd be a huge help.
posted by adipocere at 4:33 PM on August 30, 2006


I'm pretty sick of you.
posted by keswick at 2:07 PM PST on August 30


I don't blame you. It must have been tough to become so irrelevant so quickly. Curse you, 11/18/04!
posted by Optimus Chyme at 5:11 PM on August 30, 2006


From the horse's ass to your ears: (scroll down to near the bottom)

Now, look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction. But I also talked about the human suffering in Iraq, and I also talked the need to advance a freedom agenda. And so my question -- my answer to your question is, is that, imagine a world in which Saddam Hussein was there, stirring up even more trouble in a part of the world that had so much resentment and so much hatred that people came and killed 3,000 of our citizens.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:52 PM on August 30, 2006


MoJo forgot to mention that we told Saddam Hussein that we had no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like their border disagreement with Kuwait, on July 25, 1990.
posted by owhydididoit at 7:18 PM on August 30, 2006


Don't get me wrong, I really like it, I was just surprised not to see them mention that wee misrepresentation. Maybe they left it out because the lie wasn't told to Americans.
posted by owhydididoit at 7:21 PM on August 30, 2006


the icon for "expanded executive powers" looks suspiciously goatsecxy. I wonder if that was on a purpose!
posted by mcsweetie at 8:45 PM on August 30, 2006


Thanks for the memories.
posted by homunculus at 9:52 PM on August 30, 2006


The President has "made his choice" -- more wars
posted by homunculus at 6:16 PM on August 31, 2006


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