September 11, 2006

September 11, 2006 5:33 AM

On this day, five years ago, the times changed. In honor of all who perished, just leave a period in the comments, and reflect on that day to yourselves.
posted by wheelieman (251 comments total)

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posted by greedo at 5:36 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by wheelieman at 5:39 AM on September 11, 2006

I don't think you have the authority to make that stipulation
posted by rxrfrx at 5:43 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by Sand at 5:43 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by stumcg at 5:44 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by hal9k at 5:45 AM on September 11, 2006

I dont want to snark on this thread, however, I dont think you or anyone else should be dictating to anyone what to do or think.

On preview, what rxrfrx said.
posted by ClanvidHorse at 5:45 AM on September 11, 2006

Single dot posts have always irked me, because they seem so lazy. I always figured that if one is moved by a death or event, it's much better to put your thoughts into words. "Moments of silence" don't mean much on the internet.
posted by blue mustard at 5:48 AM on September 11, 2006

If you really had to post this, you should have posted it on MeTa.
posted by MrMustard at 5:49 AM on September 11, 2006

Woah, two mustards in a row. Spooky.
posted by MrMustard at 5:49 AM on September 11, 2006

This is lame.
posted by bonaldi at 5:50 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by hollygoheavy at 5:51 AM on September 11, 2006

Well it was worth a try, you may delete this Mattamyn.
posted by wheelieman at 5:51 AM on September 11, 2006

posted by cellphone at 5:56 AM on September 11, 2006

Well it was worth a try

A link to a previous Metafilter thread as your only contribution? You call that a try?
posted by mediareport at 5:58 AM on September 11, 2006

Did you really think no one was going to actually comment?
posted by stinkycheese at 6:00 AM on September 11, 2006

It was horrid but I think we, as a nation, would do a lot better not dwelling on it and treating it like a fucking Holiday.

In a couple of years I wouldn't be surprised if we saw twin tower shaped strings of memorial lights (maybe every alternate light would be an airliner?)
posted by Mick at 6:02 AM on September 11, 2006

I disagree with re-evocation of painful moments for the shake of re-evocation. It doesn't help understanding the moment, it doesn't help healing the scars, it is just a trip for people who like pain, people who like to feel again the hate, people who live in the past.

Yet there is some people who is mourning their deads in 9/11 , to these I suggest : leave it, let it go, try giving up commemoration every year. I promise there is no way you will ever forget your loved ones, but I am 99.9999% sure they wouldn't like you to feel again and again and again the pain of separation, the desperation of these moments.

Let your loved ones in peace so that you too can have some peace of mind.
posted by elpapacito at 6:02 AM on September 11, 2006 [2 favorites]

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That's for those innocents who died on 9/11 - was a really shit day for america.

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That's for those innocents who have died since 9/11 thanks to Americas godawful war on "islamofascists". It's been a shit 5 years for the rest of the world.

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That's for the death of this thread
posted by twistedonion at 6:02 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

How about a link back to the original event as experienced on Metafilter.
posted by zorro astor at 6:03 AM on September 11, 2006

Can I also give you my paypal password too? How about a backrub or two?
posted by damn dirty ape at 6:04 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:05 AM on September 11, 2006

Booga booga.
posted by Rogalian at 6:06 AM on September 11, 2006

I'd argue that the times didn't change. A terrible event happened, but the world didn't change. We just became aware of the fact that we were all living in it.
posted by Lord_Pall at 6:06 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

How about a link back to the original event as experienced on Metafilter.

Wow, did you even read the post? I'm sorry, but do you people really think you're "honoring" the events of that day by being this lazy?
posted by mediareport at 6:06 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

Don't be sad for the people who died in the attacks. They're in heaven with Jesus now.
posted by Mayor Curley at 6:09 AM on September 11, 2006

It's not a moment of silence, it's punctuation. If you truly wanted to "reflect on that day to yourselves" you would have reflected on that day to yourself, not start a regimented thread and expect everyone to follow.
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 6:10 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

mediareport: watch out dude don't feed the indignation machine
posted by elpapacito at 6:10 AM on September 11, 2006

I shall not be silenced.
posted by Balisong at 6:10 AM on September 11, 2006

elpapacito: Bring it on. The post breaks the site's most basic guideline. It won't last long.
posted by mediareport at 6:11 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:12 AM on September 11, 2006

Who died and left Mr. Wheelieman the official commemorator of public events the ubiquitous memorialization of which has long ago rendered them as bland as "Hello Kitty," and given new meaning to the phrase "banality of evil"? (Those little periods that you leave in posts about someone dying? That's your brain. Actual size.)
posted by Faze at 6:15 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

If you're not with the poster, you're against him!
posted by clevershark at 6:15 AM on September 11, 2006

Nice to see everybody's still themselves.

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posted by jonmc at 6:15 AM on September 11, 2006

Isn't the place for posts which only link to the blue the grey?
posted by public at 6:16 AM on September 11, 2006

Dot-posts are the intellectual equivalent of "Support the Troops" trunk magnets.
posted by rzklkng at 6:17 AM on September 11, 2006 [3 favorites]

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posted by mds35 at 6:17 AM on September 11, 2006

Dot-posts are the intellectual equivalent of "Support the Troops" trunk magnets.

That's because it's a memorial post, not an opportunity to show everybody what a bright little boy you are.
posted by jonmc at 6:20 AM on September 11, 2006

Did we do this for the Katrina anniversary, too? Because that was the one that really should have changed everything.
posted by muckster at 6:20 AM on September 11, 2006

In honor of this thread's short projected lifespan, just leave a semicolon in the comments, and reflect on it to yourselves.

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posted by signal at 6:23 AM on September 11, 2006

Think of it as a Memorial day for civilian casualties.


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posted by konolia at 6:23 AM on September 11, 2006

It was horrid but I think we, as a nation, would do a lot better not dwelling on it and treating it like a fucking Holiday.

Agreed! The best revenge is living well.
posted by banished at 6:23 AM on September 11, 2006

No need to dis the dot. It's the post that's lame. The dot has its place.
posted by mediareport at 6:24 AM on September 11, 2006

9/11 changed everything.

Except Metafilter's ineffable capacity for snark.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:25 AM on September 11, 2006

DON'T TREAD ON ME.

(Sentiment directed at terrorists, pseudofascist theocratic federal officials and MeFi thread-dictating autocrats, in appropriately proportional measures.)
posted by Faint of Butt at 6:25 AM on September 11, 2006

Except Metafilter's ineffable capacity for snark.

That will never change, thank god.
posted by twistedonion at 6:27 AM on September 11, 2006

Stop your bitching and whining for once, assholes. Jeezus.
posted by bim at 6:30 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by caddis at 6:34 AM on September 11, 2006

Think of it as a Memorial day for civilian casualties.

Konolia, that's a damn good idea. A day of remembrance for all the noncombatants, worldwide and throughout history, who've died in acts of war.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:35 AM on September 11, 2006

Happy 9/11 everybody.
posted by cillit bang at 6:35 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

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posted by dov3 at 6:35 AM on September 11, 2006

A day of remembrance for all the noncombatants, worldwide and throughout history, who've died in acts of war.

I don't think a country currently involved in rapidly adding to the total can hold such a day with a straight face. Or at least, it shouldn't.
posted by bonaldi at 6:37 AM on September 11, 2006

BE QUIET

We've been fighting for 5 years. Can you put the snark and the cynicism and the political opportunism aside for 24 hours and just remember how things were before, and how they have been forever changed? To mourn the losses... of our life, and our innocence?

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posted by jammer at 6:37 AM on September 11, 2006

Happy 9/11!
posted by Balisong at 6:38 AM on September 11, 2006

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...again.
posted by mds35 at 6:38 AM on September 11, 2006

Innocence? I yi yi!
posted by stinkycheese at 6:39 AM on September 11, 2006

I want my 5 bucks back.
posted by chillmost at 6:40 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by spacewaitress at 6:43 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by hifiparasol at 6:44 AM on September 11, 2006

*rolls eyes*
posted by randomination at 6:44 AM on September 11, 2006

The 9/11 terrorist attacks were groteqsue and sad. Last night on an NPR special they played an answering machine message from a guy on one of those flights. It was really sad.
posted by thirteenkiller at 6:45 AM on September 11, 2006

Hey, did you guys hear about the planes crashing into the buildings in new york? I hear a bunch of people died or something.
posted by Citizen Premier at 6:46 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by Decypher at 6:47 AM on September 11, 2006

We've been fighting for 5 years
I Know, it's a fucking crime. And no, I won't be quiet.
posted by twistedonion at 6:48 AM on September 11, 2006

right on twistedonion.

Don't tell me how to mourn. The life of an Iraqi child is no less valuable than the life of NYC fireman or a banker or pentagon officer. We took the death-energy from the terrorists, turned it up to "11" and rocked out.

America, fuck yeah. I'm ashamed of this country, and it's *almost* wiped out my residual grief for my fellow citizens and their loved ones who died on that day.

I'm a New Yorker first, American second. As New Yorker, I don't really think we need all this grieving from all the people who have exploited our tragedy, beginning with our President. Go away, George. You lost nothing, except the world's goodwill.
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:48 AM on September 11, 2006

These memorial threads are starting to remind me more and more of the people in the temple that Jesus got all pissed off at for showing off their piety, and prompted him to exhort "If you want to pray, go into your fucking closet and pray, don't go to the temple to show off to everybody else how goddamn pious you are".

Any biblically minded folks know the passage I'm talking about, and if I'm remembering the general gist correctly?
posted by bugbread at 6:49 AM on September 11, 2006

Aw.. I screwed up that hyperlink before..

Happy 9/11!
posted by Balisong at 6:50 AM on September 11, 2006

This thread has gotten out of hand. I feel sorry for the people who died as the result of the behaviour of some narcisstic, deluded fucks; I feel bad for the outrageous actions that have since been carried out in the names of those who died ; I feel bad about the pile of stuff that has gone on in the world since then.

However, there are many atrocities and natural disasters that occur throughout the world. 9/11 isnt any more or less important than any of those. Whilst I feel every sympathy for those who had their lives wrecked by this event I do not think that this event is more important than others. It is just another fucked up event in the history of a fucked up species that has a capacity to do great things and horrible things in equal measure. Far too many people conflate the horrific spectacle of 9/11 with its importance.
posted by ClanvidHorse at 6:52 AM on September 11, 2006

Bugbread, that's a good one.

Matthew 6:6
⁶But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
posted by anomie at 6:53 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

Number of american civliians killed on September 11, 2001, in the attack. ~3000

Number of documents directly and conclusively linking Sadaam Heussein to Al Queda. 0

Number of american war dead in Iraq ~2669

Number of civilian's killed in Iraq due to the military intervention 41650 to 46530

Amount of money Haliburton has made off of no bid contracts: Over $10 billion dollars

Ring leader / chief architect of 9/11: Osama Bin Laden

Osama's location: Pakistan

US Ally: Pakistan

Number of US troops currently allowed in Pakistan: <1 000 number of us troops in iraq:>100000

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posted by Mwongozi at 6:53 AM on September 11, 2006 [3 favorites]

And no, I won't be quiet.


posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:54 AM on September 11, 2006

bugbread:

Matthew 6:1-8:

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

that thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.


And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
posted by jonmc at 6:54 AM on September 11, 2006

. for the ~180K people killed in the name of freedom in the last 5 years.
posted by jimmythefish at 6:55 AM on September 11, 2006

Today is a no-media day for me...after a half hour of radio on the way to work I decided I too was tired of the exploitation of these deaths, and the continued use of them to cause even more deaths.

If you must grieve, do it quietly, and certainly don't tell me how to do it.
posted by HuronBob at 6:57 AM on September 11, 2006

You and all the clowns in the media should stop fucking telling me how and when I shoud reflect on that day.
posted by bondcliff at 6:57 AM on September 11, 2006

Hey Blazecock, where you find that picture of me? Good resemblance.
posted by twistedonion at 6:58 AM on September 11, 2006

posted by bob sarabia at 6:59 AM on September 11, 2006

Bugbread, I think you might be mentally conflating two different instances described in the Bible.

There's this one where Jesus talks about what you described:

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

-Mathew 6:5-7

And this one where he gets really pissed off in the temple:

When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"

-John 2:13-17

In any case, I think your observation in this instance is pretty valid.
posted by Stauf at 7:01 AM on September 11, 2006

Hey welcome to the United States of 9/11. I call bullshit on the whole phony somber thing. No more fucking cellos playing dirges while well-groomed multicultural ladies mournfully chant the names of victims in order to make us feel good about every horror we have perpetrated in the names of those 3000 unfortunates since Sept. 11, 2001.
posted by Mister_A at 7:03 AM on September 11, 2006

Why not de-snark this thread by talking about our favorite War-On-Terror-related MeFi threads? Let's make this our very own five-year-anniversary clip show! I'll start with this and that.
posted by Herr Fahrstuhl at 7:05 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by benkolb at 7:07 AM on September 11, 2006

whatever. No love. No honor.

I thought the CNN re-live coverage was a bad idea. But tune in for 30 seconds and you're day will change - it messed me up.
posted by tomplus2 at 7:08 AM on September 11, 2006

anomie, jonmc, thanks, that's exactly what I was thinking of.

Stauf: Thanks. I wasn't thinking of the casting-out-of-the-moneychangers, but my "Angry Jesus" phrasing may have given that impression.
posted by bugbread at 7:08 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by pax digita at 7:09 AM on September 11, 2006

You know, I was doing a slow boil during much of this thread because of all the snark and cheap jokes, but then I realized that it's the crimes perpetrated by Bush & Co, in the name of 9/11 that have made such trivialization of a horrendous event possible. So, while I'm still a bit irked, I'll point my anger where it belongs.
posted by jonmc at 7:09 AM on September 11, 2006

. for the ~180K people killed in the name of freedom in the last 5 years.

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posted by amberglow at 7:10 AM on September 11, 2006

posted by flapjax at midnite: A day of remembrance for all the noncombatants, worldwide and throughout history, who've died in acts of war.

posted by bonaldi: I don't think a country currently involved in rapidly adding to the total can hold such a day with a straight face. Or at least, it shouldn't.

Well, as long as we're talking theoretical observances, let me elaborate: what I have in mind is not a day that this country, or any country, would hold. This would be a international people's day of remembrance. Those individuals around the world who wish to remember and honor those unfortunate dead could do so, with a "straight face". This would be a day where we reflect upon the horrors that can spring from nationalism, from xenophobia, from the very notion of "country".
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:12 AM on September 11, 2006

Mourning the people killed on 9/11 without mention of those killed subsequently by military action or natural distaster is not necessarily any insult to the latter. We feel bad when we lose things we know and understand; that's humanity.
posted by thirteenkiller at 7:12 AM on September 11, 2006

Jonmc, I'd add that, even if it Bush & Co hadn't perpetrated any crimes, the trivialization would still be possible due to the media's use of 9/11 as a ratings-puller.
posted by bugbread at 7:13 AM on September 11, 2006

You know, I was doing a slow boil during much of this thread because of all the snark and cheap jokes, but then I realized that it's the crimes perpetrated by Bush & Co, in the name of 9/11 that have made such trivialization of a horrendous event possible. So, while I'm still a bit irked, I'll point my anger where it belongs.

Yeah!
posted by thirteenkiller at 7:13 AM on September 11, 2006

bob sarabia I think that's the greatest thing I've ever seen.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 7:14 AM on September 11, 2006

Exactly jonmc. 9/11 was horrific, never should have happened. The real criminals who were behind 9/11 are getting away with it, while 10s of thousands of innocents are slaughtered in an illegal war.

So I won't be remembering 9/11 today. I'll be mourning the 100's of civilians who will die today at the hands of Bush, Blair and all the other war criminals responsible for the past 5 horrific years since that one horrific day.

Sorry if that doesn't sit well with some. The truth hurts.
posted by twistedonion at 7:14 AM on September 11, 2006

Hey that's a Jack Kirby Captain America in that completely awesome collage!


That's the just about the only good thing about this thread.
posted by beaucoupkevin at 7:16 AM on September 11, 2006

In case anyone thinks I have my tinfoil hat on when I talk about "The real criminals who were behind 9/11"... I did mean Osama Bin Laden and the rest of his band of killers.
posted by twistedonion at 7:17 AM on September 11, 2006

thirteenkiller, thank you, good comment.
posted by tomplus2 at 7:17 AM on September 11, 2006

So I won't be remembering 9/11 today. I'll be mourning the 100's of civilians who will die today at the hands of Bush, Blair and all the other war criminals responsible for the past 5 horrific years since that one horrific day.

No reason you can't do both, which is what I'll do at least for a few minutes. I have some personal connections to that day that I couldn't forget if I wanted to. And I'm as disgusted with the war as anyone here and have done what I could to make that displeasure known.

Y'know, I'm getting married a week from Saturday. September is gonna be an odd set of emotions for me for years to come.
posted by jonmc at 7:17 AM on September 11, 2006

twistedonion, if you're family was killed in a plane crash, would you mourn more for the other 125 people killed or your own family?
posted by tomplus2 at 7:20 AM on September 11, 2006

I was wondering all morning how MetaFilter would mark this occasion.
This is about what I expected...good job guys and gals.
posted by rocket88 at 7:22 AM on September 11, 2006

Can you put the snark and the cynicism and the political opportunism aside for 24 hours
posted by jammer at 6:37 AM PST

Yea...because I'm sure that is Mr. Bush's plan for his speech tonite.
posted by rough ashlar at 7:22 AM on September 11, 2006

Well it was worth a try

Dictacting to everyone how to memorialize national tragedy was worth a try?
posted by jonson at 7:22 AM on September 11, 2006

I am sorry for your loss (and anyone else who lost someone that day, that much should at least be obvious). People don't deserve to die as a result of egomaniacs.

What irritates me about threads like this is that they seem to reinforce the notion that a westerners blood is worth so much more than some poor bastard from the third world.

9/11 was bad. What has been done in it's name, evil.
posted by twistedonion at 7:23 AM on September 11, 2006

What irritates me about threads like this is that they seem to reinforce the notion that a westerners blood is worth so much more than some poor bastard from the third world.

I don't think anybody here thinks that.
posted by thirteenkiller at 7:24 AM on September 11, 2006

I am sorry for your loss

My personal connection (a close friend who was a paramedic for the NYFD at the time) survived. I just remember spending the whole day picturing him at the bottom of a pile of rubble. His unit lost a few men that day. Just for the record.
posted by jonmc at 7:25 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by foxywombat at 7:26 AM on September 11, 2006

Y'know, I'm getting married a week from Saturday. September is gonna be an odd set of emotions for me for years to come.

In all earnestness, my first anniversary is next saturday, and whatever emotions you have about September 11, September is too wonderful a month for a wedding to lose the whole thing. The emotions will separate very quickly when you wake up on your wedding day and say "this is perfect!" Got my fingers crossed for good weather for you!
posted by Mayor Curley at 7:26 AM on September 11, 2006

twistedonion, if you're family was killed in a plane crash, would you mourn more for the other 125 people killed or your own family?

A plane crash... I'd be mourning my family, no-one else. That would be a horrible accident, not an act of war/terror/whatever.

I paid my respect on 9/11/01

And I pay my respect to anyone killed in an atrocity as soon as I hear about it. However, 9/11 has obviously been hijacked and spun so much it is now meaningless.

Like I said, if you personally suffered a loss 5 years ago then you have my sympathy. I doubt a . will give any meaning to your grief though.
posted by twistedonion at 7:28 AM on September 11, 2006

Those individuals around the world who wish to remember and honor those unfortunate dead could do so

But you can't do that with a straight face as an individual either, because far and away the best way to honour them is by trying to stop more of their deaths. And while your country is perpetrating such deaths, anything else is just mocking those you would honour.
posted by bonaldi at 7:28 AM on September 11, 2006

Strangely, this is also the anniversary of Henry Hudson landing on Manhattan Island in 1609.
posted by Astro Zombie at 7:28 AM on September 11, 2006

whatever emotions you have about September 11, September is too wonderful a month for a wedding to lose the whole thing.

Don't worry, I won't.

Got my fingers crossed for good weather for you!

It's in Vegas, so that shouldn't be a problem. and thanks.
posted by jonmc at 7:29 AM on September 11, 2006

like we're allowed to forget
posted by unSane at 7:29 AM on September 11, 2006

It doesn't suprise me the least to see assholes dragging their unrelated politics into a remembrance thread. It doesn't suprise me, but it depresses a little. What vile little shits there are here.

If you want to protest Bush and the Iraqi war, then do a proper protest and keep it out of this thread, because its not the place for unrelated protesting and bitching and moaning and spewing of political grievances. Its off-topic, derailing, and trolling.

It's revolting to see people so self-absorbed in their politics that they can't even recognize when a discussion of their politics is inappropriate.
posted by dios at 7:30 AM on September 11, 2006 [2 favorites]

It was horrid but I think we, as a nation, would do a lot better not dwelling on it and treating it like a fucking Holiday.

Holiday? I have an 11am meeting, bastard.

The collage reminds us all that no matter what happened on 9/11, Dale Earnhardt died for their sins.

I think everyone should just post a 3 instead of a period to remind everyone of that and post their feelings about Dale.

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posted by dw at 7:32 AM on September 11, 2006

How's this?
posted by bob sarabia at 7:32 AM on September 11, 2006

It doesn't suprise me the least to see assholes dragging their unrelated politics into a remembrance thread.

dios, with all due respect, 9/11 has been manipulated by the Bush administration into justification for the Iraq war, so the politics are hardly 'unrelated,' they're almost inextricably intertwined, sadly.
posted by jonmc at 7:32 AM on September 11, 2006

It doesn't me surprise me either.
posted by dios at 7:33 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by Heywood Mogroot at 7:38 AM on September 11, 2006

They're almost inextricably intertwined, sadly.
posted by jonmc at 9:32 AM CST on September 11

Therefore one can never discuss the tragic loss of life on that day without necessarily discussing people's assholes opinions on the Iraqi war and George W. Bush, despite the fact those opinions are voice ad nauseum every single day here in other threads?
posted by dios at 7:38 AM on September 11, 2006

dios... 9/11 isn't about politics?

This thread is "not the place"?

Thanks.....we've been told how to grieve, we've been told where the place is to express our displeasure with the politicians that are expoiting this event.

Anything other rules we're not following? I certainly don't want to get this whole thing wrong!
posted by HuronBob at 7:38 AM on September 11, 2006

You are all wankers
posted by milkwood at 7:39 AM on September 11, 2006

Who would have ever guessed that proper protesting involves self-immolation. Thanks for the heads up dios.
posted by romakimmy at 7:39 AM on September 11, 2006

Therefore one can never discuss the tragic loss of life on that day without necessarily discussing people's assholes opinions on the Iraqi war and George W. Bush, despite the fact those opinions are voice ad nauseum every single day here in other threads?

No, but one shouldn't be surprised, nor overly upset if the subject comes up. Which is fine with me, as long as all the dead, both from 9/11 and on both sides of the war in Iraq are accorded some respect.
posted by jonmc at 7:40 AM on September 11, 2006

"despite the fact those opinions are voice ad nauseum every single day here in other threads"...

crap...

Let's just silence everyone shall we?
posted by HuronBob at 7:41 AM on September 11, 2006

if you're family was killed in a plane crash, would you mourn more for the other 125 people killed or your own family?

When something like that happens, you create a bond with some or all of the 124 other families of the deceased. You mourn together and provide strength for another. You don't get together to kill other people to make yourselves feel better.

That's one reason there are so many haters on this tread: the mourning has been turned into a justification for revenge killing.
posted by peeedro at 7:42 AM on September 11, 2006

It's not "politics" dios. It's recognition of the much larger tragedy that this administration has inflicted upon the world in the name of those who died five years ago. It's not a difference of opinion, it's not left vs. right, it's not an episode of fucking Crossfire. It's the greatest abomination commited by my country during my lifetime, and it's your goddamn fault. Yours and all of those who think like you, who continue to give these murderers the power that they so poisonously crave.

So kindly shut the fuck up, and watch who you're calling an asshole. I'm surprised you can type with all the blood on your hands.
posted by Optamystic at 7:42 AM on September 11, 2006

"Patriot Day" is a misnomer. Patriotism and Patriots have nothing to do with it.

I also made the mistake of turning on msnbc, and it's true: watching it again will mess you up. I understand people wanting to seperate the politics from the remembrance/memorial, but I don't think it's possible, given the way things turned out. I watched the towers go down to a Katie Couric voiceover, and all I could think was "How tragic. And then this was used as an excuse."

disgusted.
posted by exlotuseater at 7:43 AM on September 11, 2006

This may or may not be the time and the place for a discussion of the political ramifications of 9/11, but it is certainly the time and the place for an argument over whether or not it's the time and the place for a discussion of the political ramifications of 9/11. Carry on! I mean, if you want to. I'm not telling you what to do.
posted by cortex at 7:44 AM on September 11, 2006

I'm surprised you can type with all the blood on your hands.
posted by Optamystic at 9:42 AM CST on September 11

I keep a lot of moist towelettes next to my keyboard.
posted by dios at 7:46 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

Now is not the time to discuss porn.
posted by jonmc at 7:47 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

Anything other rules we're not following?

Well, there's the "Don't link to Metafilter threads as your sole link in a post" rule, but apparently that one's been temporarily suspended to keep the noxious 9/11 anniversary fallout contained here. Or something.
posted by mediareport at 7:47 AM on September 11, 2006

Carry on! I mean, if you want to. I'm not telling you what to do.

your passive agressive controlling comment is stopping me from properly manipulating everyone else to do what i say. fyi.
posted by Stynxno at 7:48 AM on September 11, 2006

Aw, shit. He's up there again. Who's turn is it to take the nails out of dios this time?
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:48 AM on September 11, 2006 [2 favorites]

Metafilter metas itself. Awesome.
posted by casarkos at 7:48 AM on September 11, 2006

It's pretty unsettling to read the 9/11/01 thread and the 9/11/06 thread back to back. What a difference a few years make.
posted by danb at 7:50 AM on September 11, 2006

eh?
posted by fritx at 7:52 AM on September 11, 2006

It's pretty unsettling to read the 9/11/01 thread and the 9/11/06 thread back to back. What a difference a few years make.
posted by danb

A few years, a few hundred thousand more dead, a few billion spent--yeah it's all different.
posted by leftcoastbob at 7:52 AM on September 11, 2006

I knew I could rely on MeFi for something like this. Good on yers. Keep up the good work.
posted by unixrat at 7:52 AM on September 11, 2006

A few years and and several thousand equally innocent lives taken in revenge.
posted by Flashman at 7:53 AM on September 11, 2006

And in related news, poor misunderstood good-guy-at-heart Ayman al-Zawahri chose today to call upon Muslims and American liberals to attack the west with renewed zeal.
posted by CodeBaloo at 7:55 AM on September 11, 2006

It's a really lovely day here in downtown Manhattan, clear blue skies, sunshine, light breeze. I'm glad to be alive.
posted by Divine_Wino at 7:59 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

I gotta be honest folks... I usually feel pretty sorry for myself on this day. But thanks to this thread, my first media of the day, I'm feeling irritable and vaguely sorry for y'all. Strangely, that's an improvement.
posted by anotherpanacea at 8:00 AM on September 11, 2006

Granted, Mink Car signaled a new direction for TMBG, but this seems a bit much.
posted by designbot at 8:00 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

The idea that 9-11 could ever become an international day of honouring civilan casualties is *so* very wrong and *so* very off the mark that it's gone beyond funny and to somewhere just very, very sad.

Haven't you learned anything in the last five years? The rest of the world has really had it up to the tits with the whole USA! USA! thing, and it's pretty pathetic that, even when you want to honour Dead People Who Aren't American, you'd suggest doing it on America's new Holy Day.

How can that not be clear? Seriously.
posted by stinkycheese at 8:00 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

posted by kirkaracha at 8:02 AM on September 11, 2006

Thanks. I wasn't thinking of the casting-out-of-the-moneychangers, but my "Angry Jesus" phrasing may have given that impression.

For years I've had a personal joke: Whenever someone pulls out the "what would Jesus do?" chestnut (hasn't been that many times, in all honesty), I reply (paraphrased):

"Well, for starters he'd get angry at both of us for being so lame. He'd be disappointed that figuring this out could be so hard for us, and he'd end up telling us a story that wasn't clear to us how it related to anything, but when he was done we'd feel kind of stupid and maybe a bit ashamed.

Then he'd probably fuck off for the desert or something."

To all the piouser-than-thou about 9/11 or any of the United States' other failures to live up to our own ideals, forget it: This day has already been lost to those who were willing to trade our grief for their own gain.

To all those who have lost their lives or loved one's or freedom over this 5 year cascading disaster, I am really fucking sorry.

No dot for this post.
posted by illovich at 8:02 AM on September 11, 2006

We'll always have irony. Wait. Check that.
posted by papoon at 8:03 AM on September 11, 2006

"On this day, five years ago, the times changed."

At this very moment, I am watching this on TV: the Statue of Liberty superimposed over fireworks, followed by a full-screen waving American flag. Now red-white-and-blue lettering accompanies a man standing in front of the flag, a man wearing a NASCAR driver's outfit. He is exhorting me to show my patriotism on this fifth anniversary of 9/11, by buying an all-American gas-guzzling Chevy SUV.

Indeed, the times have changed.
posted by orthogonality at 8:04 AM on September 11, 2006

"Happy 9/11 everybody.
posted by cillit bang at 9:35 AM EST on September 11"



We had some trouble lighting the candles.
posted by Eideteker at 8:05 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

You know who's getting short changed in all of this? The families of those lost in the Oklahoma City bombing. How many of you think that they would have had the same hoopla about their atrocity if the perpetrator hadn't have been a white Christian?
posted by leftcoastbob at 8:09 AM on September 11, 2006

Anything other rules we're not following?

Here are four:

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2. ||·

3. ||.

4. ||_

We're definitely not following those rules.

[When the atmosphere is chilling, put on a jumper.]
posted by pracowity at 8:09 AM on September 11, 2006

Don't forget the doggy heroes of 9/11.

And a cute puppy refresher.
posted by marxchivist at 8:09 AM on September 11, 2006

And by the way, dios, I think we should all offer you a special congratulations for your choice of taking a moment in the thead to express how outraged you're pretending to be that people would disgrace the memory of those who perished in the flames of the World Trade Center for political purposes by suggesting that people who disagree with your political views should burn themselves to death. Burn themselves to death. Perhaps for an encore you could suggest they leap to their deaths from skyscrapers, you cowardly, subhuman shitstain on humanity.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 8:12 AM on September 11, 2006 [2 favorites]

How about a dot for Sept. 11, 1973?
posted by micayetoca at 9:39 AM on September 11, 2006

and it's pretty pathetic that, even when you want to honour Dead People Who Aren't American, you'd suggest doing it on America's new Holy Day.

I don't think anyone seriously thinks of it like that. There are people who want to "honor" the American dead on 9/11 and those reacting to these yearly memorial rituals with the reminder that there are a lot of non-Americans (or "Dead People Who Aren't American") who have suffered and died due to events that have a direct connection with 9/11 and the subsequent actions of the U.S. I don't think people are seriously suggesting that 9/11 be the day to honor dead non-Americans; it's simply a way of reminding/pointing out that we, as a nation, have a tendency to focus on our own dead to the exclusion of the harm that has been done (and is being done) to non-Americans.

Also, Metafilter seems to be having a rough time at the moment.
posted by Stauf at 9:39 AM on September 11, 2006

A day of remembrance for all the noncombatants, worldwide and throughout history, who've died in acts of war.

I don't think people are seriously suggesting that 9/11 be the day to honor dead non-Americans

???
posted by stinkycheese at 9:43 AM on September 11, 2006

dios writes "Its off-topic, derailing, and trolling."

Well, this thread violates the double-linking policy, and it also violates the "posts about MetaFilter should all be on the grey", and in most cases that results in thread deletion. In those types of threads, the rules about off-topicness and derailing usually don't apply, and silliness and animated gifs are the order of the day.

Regarding trolling, I use the old school definition of "trolling" (which is why I've never thought of you as a troll, while others have). Since the people here do actually seem to be thinking what they're saying, few, if any, are trolling.

As far as people being broken records: well, yeah, that sucks, but unfortunately you and I are just as guilty of it.
posted by bugbread at 9:43 AM on September 11, 2006

Stauf writes "Metafilter seems to be having a rough time at the moment."

One of the servers is on fire, and Matt's daughter is throwing a toy airplane at the other server as we speak.
posted by bugbread at 9:45 AM on September 11, 2006

stinkycheese,

flapjax was clearly responding to konolia's statement.

Think of it as a Memorial day for civilian casualties.

Konolia, that's a damn good idea. A day of remembrance for all the noncombatants, worldwide and throughout history, who've died in acts of war.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:35 AM PST on September 11 [+] [!]

Read my comment again. I don't think flapjax was seriously suggesting that 9/11 be commemerated like that. He was responding to konolia's comment in such a way as to suggest... well, jeeze I just went over this, didn't I? I mean if flapjax was being dead serious, I'll take it back, but that's not how I see it.
posted by Stauf at 9:50 AM on September 11, 2006

Well, my suggestion to consider it a memorial day had to do with the US not the world.

Meanwhile while the rest of us piss and moan there are plenty of radical groups out there plotting ways to take out more "infidels" in various and sundry ways, who despise the West for its sins real and imagined and won't be happy till Mathowie is praying five times a day towards Mecca and Jessamyn is confined to her house in a burka, whilst Amberglow and I are beheaded. No matter what politics are right or wrong, no matter what your view on Iraq, no matter if you are a liberal or conservative or Ayn Rand devotee, this world is in deep doo and that's a fact.
posted by konolia at 9:56 AM on September 11, 2006

Jesus people, weren't you listening:

JUST LEAVE A PERIOD IN THE COMMENTS, AND REFLECT ON THAT DAY TO YOURSELVES.

Dammit!
posted by mazola at 9:59 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by mmahaffie at 10:01 AM on September 11, 2006

I don't want to actively piss in this thread, however lame, but your "fact" is bullshit, konolia. If the US wasn't active in the Middle East, it wouldn't be attracting the ire it is. There is cause and effect here, and the cause isn't Mom's Apple Pie and liberty for all

There are plenty of "western" targets that aren't at threat from Islamic extremists, and the 9/11 attacks weren't because "they hate your freedoms".
posted by bonaldi at 10:01 AM on September 11, 2006

If you really cared, you'd leave an ellipsis.
posted by cortex at 10:06 AM on September 11, 2006

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posted by SuzySmith at 10:09 AM on September 11, 2006

What really matters is that, on the evening of 9/11, practically the entire world was behind the USA. More than ever in history, everyone felt like an American. The Bush administration threw it all away.
posted by riotgrrl69 at 10:10 AM on September 11, 2006

This whole period thing is glib and meaningless. Posting a period in a thread honors exactly nothing, and just maybe it's more of an insult.
posted by Jupiter Jones at 10:13 AM on September 11, 2006 [2 favorites]

If the US wasn't active in the Middle East, it wouldn't be attracting the ire it is

That may be a component but the factions I speak of would like the whole world to be Islamic. They see us as the Great Satan for far more than our interest in Israel. They see us as exporters of pornography, they think all our women are whores, I could go on and on.

They do their terrorist acts in lots other places besides here-in fact most are not here. A lot of that has nothing to do with us in the middle east.
posted by konolia at 10:13 AM on September 11, 2006

posted by brownpau at 10:16 AM on September 11, 2006 [4 favorites]

Jonmc: Congrats, and as someone who was married seven years ago today, I can tell you, yes it is a little weird now, celebrating.

*shakes fist at terra*
posted by everichon at 10:17 AM on September 11, 2006

One more thing. If someone disagrees with me here they type out a reply. If an islamic terrorist disagrees with something he wants to blow it up. That is evil, period.
posted by konolia at 10:17 AM on September 11, 2006

riotgrrl69 writes "What really matters is that, on the evening of 9/11, practically the entire world was behind the USA. More than ever in history, everyone felt like an American."

Er, hold on. I understand what I think you're getting at, but when you say "everyone" in your second sentence, after "the whole world" in the first, are you meaning the same group? Because while much of the world was behind the USA, they did not feel like Americans.
posted by bugbread at 10:18 AM on September 11, 2006

Sorry all those peopl are dead, even sorrier our leaders used it as a reason for war that had nothing to do with the act that killed them.
posted by Dome-O-Rama at 10:20 AM on September 11, 2006

Jupiter Jones writes "This whole period thing is glib and meaningless. Posting a period in a thread honors exactly nothing, and just maybe it's more of an insult."

And even more so when the period is compelled by the poster ("just leave a period in the comments") rather than spontaneous.

Yes, we're all saddened by the tragedy of 9/11, but insisting on ritualistic manufactured "reflection" or wallowing in repeated broadcasts of the horror of that day doesn't honor the victims, it's just bizarre navel-gazing self-pity and fetishization of fear.

It happened. It was terrible. Now it's time to move on.
posted by orthogonality at 10:21 AM on September 11, 2006

konolia writes "If someone disagrees with me here they type out a reply. If an islamic terrorist disagrees with something he wants to blow it up. That is evil, period."

Huh?

So how did the Islamic terrorists blow up the twin towers? I mean, if they blow up everything they disagree with, they'd have all blown themselves up upon opening the morning newspaper, or trying to find a decent radio station with few commercials. They'd never have gotten to the airport.

I think the accurate phrasing is "If someone who isn't a terrorist disagrees with me here, they type out a reply. If someone who is a terrorist disagrees with something strongly enough to blow it up, they blow it up. That is evil, period."

And am I to take it that the "blowing up" thing only applies to Islamic terrorists, and not non-Islamic terrorists?

Your comment is confusing, period.
posted by bugbread at 10:23 AM on September 11, 2006

and as someone who was married seven years ago today

That was awfully insensitive of you, why didn't you plan ahead?
posted by sonofsamiam at 10:24 AM on September 11, 2006

That may be a component but the factions I speak of would like the whole world to be Islamic. They see us as the Great Satan for far more than our interest in Israel. They see us as exporters of pornography, they think all our women are whores, I could go on and on.

Yes, but no more, and over a similar spectrum of dedication, than Christians would like to have everyone believe in Jesus. This is not what fuels the terrorism, and it's why there isn't currently Christian terrorism.

What drives it -- like it drove the Crusades -- is realpolitik. They use religious rhetoric, but it's all about power. The US is in the Middle East -- particularly Saudi Arabia -- because it makes economic sense for them to be so. Terrorist attacks are an attempt to tilt that equation the other way. If given the choice, they'd much prefer to hate the Great Satan from a very comfortable distance.
posted by bonaldi at 10:25 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

JUST LEAVE A PERIOD IN THE COMMENTS, AND REFLECT ON THAT DAY TO YOURSELVES. - mazola

But then what's the point of having a thread at all? I imagine some of the bickering would have come up in any post related to this topic, but I think it's moreso because of the bossy FPP. If you're going to say to people "you must mourn for this, and you must do it in this particular way" they're going to push against that.
posted by raedyn at 10:32 AM on September 11, 2006

And in related news, poor misunderstood good-guy-at-heart Ayman al-Zawahri chose today to call upon Muslims and American liberals to attack the west with renewed zeal.
posted by CodeBaloo

What the fuck is that? Was that a joke? I don't speak Arabic, so I can't watch the original video, but none of the news services I checked are reporting this call to American liberals to "attack the west".

Stop being such a cunt.
posted by Mister_A at 10:33 AM on September 11, 2006

2 things.

1st, konolia: I'm under the impression that the nasty habit of "blowing up" what one doesn't like is pretty widespread, unfortunately. One example, in Sept. 11, 1973, the U.S. backed a coup in Chile against a govt. they didn't like. The images of their Palacio de la Moneda being blown up are quite famous, so, so much for "typing out" our differences.

2nd, and more importantly. Lots of people died in the 1973 coup, lots of people died in the 2001 events. I think both are tragic and we should mourn the dead because they are innocent victims. Could we skip checking their passport to see if we should be mourning them?
posted by micayetoca at 10:33 AM on September 11, 2006

DONATE YOUR '.' HERE

If we collect eight-million dots we can get a poor crippled girl a much-needed wheelchair!
posted by mazola at 10:33 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

Islamic terrorists blow themselves up because they have been taught that it will give them eternal paradise. konolia just happens to have been taught something else.
posted by riotgrrl69 at 10:34 AM on September 11, 2006

Who's agitatin' my dots?
posted by NationalKato at 10:36 AM on September 11, 2006

"plenty of radical groups out there plotting ways to take out more "infidels" in various and sundry ways"

Was this a reference to "W" ??
posted by HuronBob at 10:39 AM on September 11, 2006

Islamic terrorists blow themselves up because they have been taught that it will give them eternal paradise.

To a certain extent, this is true. However, the primary goal of any such attack is always an earthly one, an attempt to induce real change in the minds of others, both among one's own people and in the minds of the perceived enemy. If a blind antagonism backed up by a belief in eternal reward was really all that motivated terrorists, the world would look very very different than it does.
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This is a thread that is supposed to be filled with nothing but periods. So let me assist:

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posted by chrominance at 10:40 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

It's definitely a day to remember the tragedy of that day.

But also a day to renew our quest for peace in the world and to reaffirm our committment to remove from power and punish those who are exploiting this day to their own personal ends and trying to do a power grab both in the United States and throughout the world.

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posted by MythMaker at 10:43 AM on September 11, 2006

okey, chrominanceyou gathered enough dots, now let's see if NationalKato can agitate 'em.
posted by micayetoca at 10:43 AM on September 11, 2006

This has been a poignant and moving memorial thread. I hope someone is asked to 'stop being such a cunt' at my funeral service.
posted by horsewithnoname at 10:46 AM on September 11, 2006

I hope the corpse is asked that, accompanied by a lot of futile beating of fists on the casket. Just stop it already, even in death you can't let me beeee!
posted by sonofsamiam at 10:48 AM on September 11, 2006

Pushing through the market square, so many mothers sighing
News had just come over, we had five years left to cry in
News guy wept and told us, earth was really dying
Cried so much his face was wet, then I knew he was not lying
I heard telephones, opera house, favourite melodies
I saw boys, toys, electric irons and t.v.s
My brain hurt like a warehouse, it had no room to spare
I had to cram so many things to store everything in there.
And all the fat-skinny people, and all the tall-short people
And all the nobody people, and all the somebody people
I never thought I'd need so many people.
- 'Five Years' by David Bowie
posted by NationalKato at 10:53 AM on September 11, 2006

I lost my youngest child in the south tower. He had started his new job just a few months before.

There are no politics, no heroes, no villains to ponder -- most times, there are no other victims except that young man who is always 3 years old in my memories.

If you really cared, you'd leave an ellipsis.
Thanks, cortex -- made me smile.
posted by joaquim at 11:02 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

It happened. It was terrible. Now it's time to move on. - orthogonality

Yes. I saw some of the memorial ceremonies on the TV this morning while I was getting ready for work. I watched a NYPD officer speak of his late wife who is one of the many first responders (NYPD as well) who died at the WTC that day. He had their daughter with him (pic). She couldn't have been more that 3 (maybe less) when this tragedy occured. While her life will be forever affected by the loss of her mother I hope that it isn't made into a cross for her to be weighed down by for the rest of her days. Seeing that kid for me was sort of a symbol of what the whole country needs to do. To move on. Never forget, but to not sacrifice all the beautiful vibrant possibilites of the future because of a tragedy in the past.

There's a point at which the nation needs to decide not to come to a standstill on the anniversary. For each person to empower themselves and their familes/friends etc to take back control of their lives and their country and to stop living in fear.

As someone upthread quoted, the best revenge is a life well-lived.
posted by raedyn at 11:02 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

Stauf: I don't think flapjax was seriously suggesting that 9/11 be commemerated like that.

konolia: Well, my suggestion to consider it a memorial day had to do with the US not the world.

OK guys, if you say so, that's fine. But to further quote flapjax:

Well, as long as we're talking theoretical observances, let me elaborate: what I have in mind is not a day that this country, or any country, would hold. This would be a international people's day of remembrance. Those individuals around the world who wish to remember and honor those unfortunate dead could do so, with a "straight face". This would be a day where we reflect upon the horrors that can spring from nationalism, from xenophobia, from the very notion of "country".

Now, such a day of remembrance is a nice idea - and falpjax's delivery is quite sincere, it seems to me. So falpjax, at least, really was actually completely straight-facedly suggesting that 9-11 be celebrated as a day of remembrance for civilian casualties/war dead - even if Stauf and konolia were not.

But we already have such a day, it seems to me: I dwell on those very things every 11th of November.

And while I don't mean to slight flapjax personally, I find such an idea not only bizarre, but the very height of arrogance. It is just stunning in its implicit worldview.
posted by stinkycheese at 11:03 AM on September 11, 2006

Sorry for getting your name wrong there a few times flapjax, I'm just typing too fast.
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posted by orthogonality at 11:07 AM on September 11, 2006

I may disagree with you, but I should at least spell your name correctly.
posted by stinkycheese at 11:07 AM on September 11, 2006

chrominance writes "There. That's about 3000 periods, enough for every person who died in the attacks. I AM MORE HARDCORE AT REMEMBERING THAN YOU ALL."

Fixed that for you.
posted by orthogonality at 11:07 AM on September 11, 2006

posted by quonsar at 11:11 AM on September 11, 2006

Don't MAKE me add little ASCII planes to my dot towers.
posted by chrominance at 11:12 AM on September 11, 2006

bugbread : One of the servers is on fire, and Matt's daughter is throwing a toy airplane at the other server as we speak.

I did not laugh at this, I swear.

Honestly. I didn't.

/looks around nervously.

Seriously.
posted by quin at 11:13 AM on September 11, 2006

Anybody remember when you were a kid sitting in church with your hair uncomfortably combed and your feet dangling from that wood bench?

You sat there breaking a sweat to work up pure and sacred thoughts. You KNEW God was peering into your brain with his magic magnifying glass. The Big Guy was ready to pounce vengence on you for any stray neuron in your noggin occupied with anything other than visions of Jesus.

And then that quiet moment between sermons. And sombody would fart. A tiny squeeker. It would echo just a little down the isle. Maybe that old lady in the lavender hat? Maybe the fat guy with the nasal spray?

Then your realized it was you. Your horror only made it worse and you farted again.

And vengence never came.

Being so uptight about what is the natural and varied ways people deal with the sacred is not healthy.

If there is a god he KNOWS you fart. I bet it doesn't bother him.

If there are firemen and banker ghosts wandering around the WTC site they know you fart, too.

People that lost people they love— they just want to know you think about them in a way that means something to YOU.
posted by tkchrist at 11:14 AM on September 11, 2006 [1 favorite]

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posted by hardshoes at 11:15 AM on September 11, 2006