the simpsons

September 23, 2006 5:24 PM

Every episode of the Simpsons.
posted by reklaw (103 comments total)

No way is this legal. No way.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 5:25 PM on September 23, 2006

We do not host any videos of The Simpsons or upload them anywhere we just link them to our page.

I didn't host any of those pictures of those naked kids, I just linked to them.
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 5:28 PM on September 23, 2006

Garbage.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 5:29 PM on September 23, 2006

Futurama, too.
posted by reklaw at 5:30 PM on September 23, 2006 [1 favorite]

I really expected this to be torrents, so I was pleasantly surprised that it was Flash video.
posted by smackfu at 5:37 PM on September 23, 2006

hoo, how do I download all this?
posted by bonaldi at 5:37 PM on September 23, 2006

I love you, reklaw. I'm sitting at home so damn bored, and this is exactly the way I needed to spend my evening. Well, this plus a six pack of Harpoon.
posted by Plutor at 5:40 PM on September 23, 2006

is there Family Guy too? or perhaps sealab or ATHF by any chance? :-p
posted by EvilKenji at 5:47 PM on September 23, 2006

I have Futurama, series one, episode one running in another window and my kids love me for it.
Great post, shame the site will be gone tomorrow.
posted by thatwhichfalls at 5:48 PM on September 23, 2006

This brings a whole new meaning to the Simpsons' writers taunt to internet nerds that they've given us hundreds of hours of entertainment for free. Oh, Mike Scully, no longer will I bitch about the shows declining quality since now, verily, I can get the show for free (if I so chose).
posted by Effigy2000 at 5:50 PM on September 23, 2006

How absolutely irritating. To do something so plainly against the will of the MPAA, and yet not to provide any means of saving the files locally ... it just pisses me off. These guys are going to get a C&D. Their ISPs, their hosts and their host's grandma's cats are going to get a C&D. Why the hell, knowing that, would they deliberately stick the actual meat of the content behind an obscuring modesty-screen of .swf?
posted by aeschenkarnos at 5:52 PM on September 23, 2006

who cares if this is in no way legal?
posted by wumpus at 5:53 PM on September 23, 2006

I really expected this to be torrents, so I was pleasantly surprised that it was Flash video.

Why? It just means it's all going to be taken down pretty quickly. At least if they were torrents you would actually be able to save them and keep them. This site won't last the weekend (at the vary least the ads will be pulled)

The interstitial ads are highly annoying as well. It's one thing to pirate someone's stuff for altruistic purposes, it's another to try to make money off of it, and it's a third thing to make money off it via a highly annoying advertising mechanism.
posted by delmoi at 5:54 PM on September 23, 2006

Actually, the author was probably hoping to fly under the radar. Getting posted on mefi is going to hasten his destruction. In fact, there is a chance that he may not even receive his advertising revenue.
posted by delmoi at 5:56 PM on September 23, 2006

How to save flash videos. Might be helpful.
posted by delmoi at 5:58 PM on September 23, 2006

To put it another way (and leaving aside that their is no deprivation of the owner of an item itself in copyright violation, merely a deprivation of the opportunity to exchange a copy for money), what these tools have done is analogous to wilfully stealing money from a bank, running out of that bank, and then running down the road to cross at the pedestrian crossing because it is illegal to jaywalk. So frustrating!
posted by aeschenkarnos at 6:01 PM on September 23, 2006

Actually, the author was probably hoping to fly under the radar.

Gotcha. Everyone, act casual!

So...what do people think about the, uh, Smipsons? Does everybody enjoy watching it in a perfectly legal venue? Boy howdy, I know I do!
posted by Iridic at 6:11 PM on September 23, 2006

what these tools have done is analogous to wilfully stealing money from a bank, running out of that bank, and then running down the road to cross at the pedestrian crossing because it is illegal to jaywalk.

Not analogous at all. The master copies of these episodes still exist, unchanged, somewhere in Fox's posession. The DVD copies of these episodes (the ones released, of course) still exist in every fracking DVD store in the country. No bank money has been stolen at all.

This is more analogous to taking a photo of Francis Bacon's Blood on the Floor with a cell phone in a museum and then posting it to your website.

The "cash from a bank" comparison always fails in intellectual property situations.
posted by gramschmidt at 6:17 PM on September 23, 2006 [1 favorite]

No downloads whatsoever!
posted by thirteenkiller at 6:17 PM on September 23, 2006

I, for one, welcome our new overlord purveyors of online swag.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:18 PM on September 23, 2006

gramschmidt: his point was about locking the files from downloading, and how pointless that was to prevent him getting done for this. (He did say "and leaving aside that their is no deprivation of the owner of an item itself in copyright violation")
posted by bonaldi at 6:21 PM on September 23, 2006

I've never seen any episode of The Simpsons (until now)
posted by growabrain at 6:22 PM on September 23, 2006

I've never seen any episode of The Simpsons

*resists urge to divulge who shot Mr. Burns*
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:30 PM on September 23, 2006

Don't get too attached to Maude Flanders.
posted by ColdChef at 6:32 PM on September 23, 2006

The "cash from a bank" comparison always fails in intellectual property situations.

Well ... yes, it fails intellectually, but only intellectually. Legally, it's still the underpinning assumption of copyright law. Which is a pretty good argument for changing copyright law, but it's awfully hard to get someone to understand something if their income depends on them not understanding it.
posted by aeschenkarnos at 6:34 PM on September 23, 2006

bonaldi: Ah, yes, you're right about his point, about which I was confused. Thanks. I still think the analogy is flawed, though, so extract my Sci-Fi Channel expletive and add some polite stuff at the first, like, "Well, you're right about the half-assedness, but, to be fair, your comparison is..." etc., and I stand by my rant.
posted by gramschmidt at 6:34 PM on September 23, 2006

I've never seen any episode of The Simpsons (until now)

GrowABrain - trust me on this: Season 7, "Much Apu About Nothing". As an immigrant to our country (and soon to be immigrant to another country!), hopefully you'll find something darkly funny in the piece. It's my favorite episode in the entire series.
posted by jonson at 6:53 PM on September 23, 2006

Man, I forgot how shitty the simpsons got.
posted by bob sarabia at 6:59 PM on September 23, 2006

the chili episode

: >
posted by amberglow at 7:05 PM on September 23, 2006

damn, that is such a great site, you dont think Fox will just be like ah copyright shonppyright
posted by criticalbill at 7:08 PM on September 23, 2006

Now if only there was a version of this for South Park...
posted by frogan at 7:12 PM on September 23, 2006

This would have been great a few years back. The Simpsons got so crap that it isn't even worth revisiting my favourite episodes.
posted by fire&wings at 7:23 PM on September 23, 2006

Wrong. The old ones are just as good as I remember, despite the horrendosity of the new ones.
posted by Plutor at 7:25 PM on September 23, 2006

A great little link for a Sunday aftfernoon - thanks heaps.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 7:31 PM on September 23, 2006

At least if they were torrents you would actually be able to save them and keep them.

Yeah, but you don't need the posted site to find full-season torrents of the Simpsons.

(Not that I bother pirating Simpsons. I just Tivo the two episodes they show a day. That usually gives me as many as I want to watch whenever I want to watch them.)
posted by smackfu at 7:38 PM on September 23, 2006

are you seriously, aeschenkarnos, pissed because they have merely put every episode, accessible from anywhere in the world, up for streaming to anyone who requests it at any time?

Because, there's obviously no other sources for downloads, right?

Are you for real?
posted by dozo at 7:40 PM on September 23, 2006

aeschenkarnos: I'm pretty sure you're entirely wrong there. It's the underpinning assumption of many copyright holders' news releases, yes, but the law itself does treat copyright infringement differently from theft. (Even the phrase "intellectual property" is a long-running and very successful PR campaign to get people to think of copyright in terms of property, which historically — I am not a law historian — it hasn't been.)
posted by hattifattener at 7:44 PM on September 23, 2006

Might be of some use.
posted by gwint at 7:50 PM on September 23, 2006

I hope both sites last long enough for me to watch them all. What a hoot!


posted by taosbat at 7:53 PM on September 23, 2006

Ahhhh, Bart the Genius (S1E2). It's the sole reason for my license plate.

(my license plate is KWYJIBO, in case anyone cares)
posted by thanotopsis at 8:07 PM on September 23, 2006

I'm fair amazed, thanotopsis.
posted by taosbat at 8:13 PM on September 23, 2006

Lisa's Substitute. "Mrs. Kraboppel, are you trying to seduce me?"
posted by Saucy Intruder at 8:15 PM on September 23, 2006

the person who asked about South Park, well, here they are...I think you have to download them instead of stream them, but they're out there.
posted by newfers at 8:23 PM on September 23, 2006 [1 favorite]

Well ... yes, it fails intellectually, but only intellectually. Legally, it's still the underpinning assumption of copyright law.

Uh, no it's not. Only in the fever dreams of record executives and their lawyers.
posted by delmoi at 8:33 PM on September 23, 2006

the chili episode

The pope of chili town. Heh.
posted by delmoi at 8:40 PM on September 23, 2006

Oh, how I love the Chili Cook-Off episode. In some ways, it is pure perfection.
posted by davidmsc at 8:41 PM on September 23, 2006

How on earth did I not go straight for the chili episode? Thanks for rectifying that amberglow. For my money, that's the best one.
posted by quite unimportant at 8:41 PM on September 23, 2006

Legally, it's still the underpinning assumption of copyright law.

Well, no, the underpinning assumption of copyright law is the moral right of the author in his creation. From the beginning it is about duplication, which makes any analogy to things that are about possession and not duplication problematic.
posted by mendel at 8:42 PM on September 23, 2006 [1 favorite]

It would be great if the Whacking Day episode didn't just stop after 12 minutes.
posted by kenko at 8:47 PM on September 23, 2006

D'Oh! I hate seeing myself on TV.
posted by Frank Grimes at 8:48 PM on September 23, 2006

"We're whalers on the moon..."

And Fry's Opera
posted by amberglow at 8:50 PM on September 23, 2006

aw, Grimey ; >
posted by amberglow at 8:50 PM on September 23, 2006

are you seriously, aeschenkarnos, pissed because they have merely put every episode, accessible from anywhere in the world, up for streaming to anyone who requests it at any time?

Yes, I am. Streaming video is exactly like video, except that, by design, it only works at a computer with a current online connection when the browser is pointed at a particular website. There are at least four ways for a streaming video feed to break: (1) interruption in the viewer's internet connection; (2) interruption in the provider's internet connection; (3) software failure (eg, changing the codecs); (4) removal of the video by the website provider, for whatever reason.

Video files "in nature" are saveable. They are the data format of a video playing program. To put them into some kind of unsaveable streamed format requires some kind of conversion. It's a taking away of usefulness, a crippling of the functionality. Unless you figure out some way to capture video streaming, you can't do anything (eg show it on a different device, share it with friends, keep an archival copy) with it.

I'm pissed with these guys because although they obviously have little or no regard for copyright holders' putative rights, they somehow nonetheless have embraced the far more idiotic "right" that derives from copyrightism: the "right" of a provider to intrude control into the time, place and method by which the provided files are viewed.

Of course I could, if I could be bothered to, go download these videos from elsewhere. Or I could go buy boxed sets of the seasons on DVD, since it's far easier, cheaper in terms of my time and effort, and the quality is better. My annoyance comes from the fact is that I am completely at a loss to follow the reasoning behind their contradictory (a) willingness to show the Simpsons videos; and (b) insistence, with some effort (as shown by the complicated URL munging and the enclosure of a FLV player which acts on a FLV file with a hidden URL inside a SWF file) that each viewer separately download each episode each time they wish to view it.
posted by aeschenkarnos at 8:51 PM on September 23, 2006

It's not like it's hard to find these things, aeschenkarnos. But yes, I fully agree with your point.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 8:58 PM on September 23, 2006

So has anyone managed to watch a video all the way through? I've tried three at it always just stops and goes back to the beginning before the end.
posted by kenko at 9:42 PM on September 23, 2006

To put them into some kind of unsaveable streamed format requires some kind of conversion. It's a taking away of usefulness, a crippling of the functionality. Unless you figure out some way to capture video streaming, you can't do anything

Jesus.. get the 11kb firefox extension already and save the original videos to your hearts content.
posted by petsounds at 9:45 PM on September 23, 2006

Also, why are you complaining about someone violating Fox's copyright and taking money from Rupert Murdoch in one breath and then complaining that its not easy enough to save to your computer in the next?
posted by petsounds at 9:47 PM on September 23, 2006

are you seriously, aeschenkarnos, pissed because they have merely put every episode, accessible from anywhere in the world, up for streaming to anyone who requests it at any time?

Yes, I am.

aeschenkarnos, you're sounding like a petulant child here. Your complaint is as if someone invited you to their house to watch the Super Bowl, and you complained that they didn't capture everything to a DVD so you can take it with you when you leave.
posted by frogan at 9:59 PM on September 23, 2006

Bah, I have all the futurama episodes on my TiVo (modded w/ a second HD - 160GB total) plus some good simpsons episodes from syndication. Family guy is in there too. Its nice to go and pull up every episode from the series. I have the DVD too. If I were more ambitious, I'd go through the steps to extract each show onto my computer's HD, and form there share the video with the TiVo so I could have the entire episodes on my computer and watch them on my TiVo.
posted by SirOmega at 10:12 PM on September 23, 2006

And Fry's Opera

What an appalingly ironic outcome!
posted by delmoi at 10:15 PM on September 23, 2006

Also, why are you complaining about someone violating Fox's copyright and taking money from Rupert Murdoch in one breath and then complaining that its not easy enough to save to your computer in the next?

If a guy puts up a file for us to watch, when the law does not give that guy the right to put up that file, then why would he make it so that we can not save that file? It makes no sense.

Jesus.. get the 11kb firefox extension already and save the original videos to your hearts content.

This does not work, as you would know if you had tried it. It can not save this kind of file.
posted by aeschenkarnos at 10:15 PM on September 23, 2006

Jesus.. get the 11kb firefox extension already and save the original videos to your hearts content.

"Error: Not a valid URL. Visit our web to know in detail what video sites are supported." (that's what pops up when I try to save one of these vids.
posted by delmoi at 10:18 PM on September 23, 2006

why would he make it so that we can not save that file? It makes no sense.

not that i really care, but im pretty sure this is just the way the technology works-- for flash video you just have one flash .swf player and load the videos into it so one doesnt have to wait for the whole thing to load before they start watching. and yes the firefox extension works.. im downloading the files from dailymotion right now
posted by petsounds at 10:21 PM on September 23, 2006

So has anyone managed to watch a video all the way through?

Tons of them--the trick is to watch the credits so it get started then pause it til it's all loaded up. Then watch the whole thing. : >
posted by amberglow at 10:31 PM on September 23, 2006

It does save youtube videos though, which is nice.
posted by delmoi at 10:41 PM on September 23, 2006

Tons of them--the trick is to watch the credits so it get started then pause it til it's all loaded up. Then watch the whole thing. : >

Or you could just do what I do, have an internet connection fast enough to stream the whole thing :P
posted by delmoi at 10:42 PM on September 23, 2006

aeschenkarnos, you're sounding like a petulant child here. Your complaint is as if someone invited you to their house to watch the Super Bowl, and you complained that they didn't capture everything to a DVD so you can take it with you when you leave.

No, it's like some guy said, "My video store has recordings of the Simpsons seasons. All of them, in order. Come around to my house and sit on milk crates and watch it on my 13-inch TV. And if I feel like it, I'll turn off the TV and throw you out." And you ask them, "Hmm, so where's this video store?" and they say "I absolutely refuse to tell you."

It's nice of them to invite you around and all, and you might want to go anyway, but let's say you wanted to invite your friends to your house to watch the Superbowl on your own TV, and sit in your chairs, and you know that video store is just as easy to get to from your house as his ... well, you'd think that guy was being kind of a jerk. I mean, what's his deal?

Of course, you might think that another invited guest who kicked up a fuss about not being told where the video store was, was being a jerk too. Or even, instead. Hell, he can kick back on the milk crates and suck down the free tap water and watch the thirteen inches of screen real estate and listen to the tinny speaker while the trains rattle by, just like the rest of us. Or find his own damn video store. Everyone knows every video store in the neighbourhood has one or two seasons. Hell, seasons 4 and 7 were at the Blockbuster yesterday. Maybe season 3 too, though the lable was torn off, so it's hard to tell.
posted by aeschenkarnos at 10:44 PM on September 23, 2006

aeschenkarnos, I'd hand you $20 bucks to buy a clue, but I'm afraid you'd be mad at me for not actually putting it into your wallet where it would be most convenient for future retrieval.
posted by frogan at 10:54 PM on September 23, 2006 [2 favorites]

Moe: "Hello, Moe's Tavern."
MeFite: "Is Mr. Zidjools there?"
Moe: "Who?"
MeFite: "Nomar, is Nomar around?"
Moe: "Who?"
MeFite: "Nomar E. Zidjools. I know he's there."
Moe: "Hold on, I'll check. [calls] Somebody's claiming we got a —"
posted by rob511 at 11:02 PM on September 23, 2006

If a guy puts up a file for us to watch, when the law does not give that guy the right to put up that file, then why would he make it so that we can not save that file? It makes no sense.

'Cause he feels like it? How does the illegality of his actions dictate how he should carry them out?
posted by kenko at 11:19 PM on September 23, 2006

I love that the transcripts are there! Is it wrong to save those?

I think I'm going to make a screen saver that displays random passages from these. They all invoke such fond memories for me.

At work, Homer's wearing his Tom Landry hat and coaching his team, but
they're quite exhausted from the work he's asking from them. From
experience, Homer knows that fatigue requires only one solution:
hammocks. He goes straight to his "boss".

Hank: Uh, hi, Homer. What can I do for you?
Homer: Sir, I need to know where I can get some business hammocks.
Hank: Hammocks? My goodness, what an idea. Why didn't I think of that?
Hammocks! Homer, there's four places. There's the Hammock Hut,
that's on third.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Hank: There's Hammocks-R-Us, that's on third too. You got
Put-Your-Butt-There?
Homer: Mm-Hmm.
Hank: That's on third. Swing Low, Sweet Chariot... Matter of fact,
they're all in the same complex; it's the hammock complex on
third.
Homer: Oh, the hammock district.
Hank: That's right.
posted by Bort at 11:39 PM on September 23, 2006

Or you could just do what I do, have an internet connection fast enough to stream the whole thing

Eat cake - of course! Why didn't I think of that!
posted by Samuel Farrow at 11:48 PM on September 23, 2006

Homer: Uh... you have any sugar around here?
Hank: Sugar? Sure. [fumbles in his pockets, takes out a few handfuls
of sugar] There you go. Sorry it's not in packages. Want some
cream?
Homer: Uh... I... no.

This makes me very sad, because every time I've seen it aired in a very long time - including on this site - they cut out the cream bit. It stops after "packages".

At least I know I didn't imagine it.
posted by flaterik at 12:25 AM on September 24, 2006

Jesus.. get the 11kb firefox extension already and save the original videos to your hearts content.

But I don't believe in Jebus!
posted by Charlie Bucket at 12:50 AM on September 24, 2006

The reason these are streamed in Flash is so the owner of the domain doesn't have to pay a ton of money in bandwidth costs - they've all been uploaded to and are being streamed from free video sharing sites like dailymotion.com, not the actual allsimps.com domain.
posted by milov at 1:58 AM on September 24, 2006 [1 favorite]

Best post in days.
Thanks.
posted by caddis at 2:14 AM on September 24, 2006

No, it's like some guy said, "My video store has recordings of the Simpsons seasons. All of them, in order. Come around to my house and sit on milk crates and watch it on my 13-inch TV. And if I feel like it, I'll turn off the TV and throw you out." And you ask them, "Hmm, so where's this video store?" and they say "I absolutely refuse to tell you."

With a grim face, Encyclopedia Brown replied, "I bet I know who's behind all this."

Sally Kimball nodded her head and answered, "Bugs Meany!"

Encyclopedia and Sally then went to the Tigers’ clubhouse. The clubhouse was a shed behind Mr. Sweeney’s Auto Body Shop. They found Bugs Meany inside the clubhouse. Bugs Meany was an older boy with freckles and red hair. He was placing old wooden boards atop some milk crates, so that the milk crates and boards could act as makeshift benches.

On the back wall of the Tigers' clubhouse hung a large banner, made from an old bedsheet. The banner typically had the name "TIGERS" painted in large letters. Recently, someone had crossed out the "TIGERS" and had written "STREAMCASTS" instead.
posted by Smart Dalek at 2:56 AM on September 24, 2006 [1 favorite]

because every time I've seen it aired in a very long time - including on this site - they cut out the cream bit

That's because the episodes go through significant editting and changes between the time they are first broadcast and the time they go out to syndication/DVD. Which is why my collection is strictly first-run episodes (where different from the DVDs).
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 5:01 AM on September 24, 2006

are these still working for anyone? were great last night, now just stutter and stall or don't finish at all.
posted by bonaldi at 5:16 AM on September 24, 2006

Thanks! I was able to see the two new episodes of the new season (still not aired in Italy). The White Stripes skit was cool.
posted by darkripper at 6:53 AM on September 24, 2006

aeschenkarnos, I'd hand you $20 bucks to buy a clue, but I'm afraid you'd be mad at me for not actually putting it into your wallet where it would be most convenient for future retrieval.

"Ohhh, burrrrn." Seriously, though, the entire level of discourse here has been lowered by this insistence upon staring at a gift horse's mouth. What value, really, is complaining about what you got for free going to have? Enjoy what's available and, um, hope that it doesn't go down within a week.
posted by DoctorFedora at 7:12 AM on September 24, 2006

and, um, hope that it doesn't go down within a week.

Whoa, you jinxed it now.

Speaking of which: "Hijinks." Funny word. Three dotted letters in a row. (Is it hyphenated?) It used to be. Back in the bad old days. Of course every generation hyphenates the way it wants to. Then there's N'Sync. Heh. What the hell is that. Jump in any time, Eddie, these are good topics.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:01 AM on September 24, 2006

CivilDisobedient - check out this for a description of broadcast and DVD differences. I'm not sure you're correct in your assertion that syndication cuts are preserved on the DVD.
posted by stevil at 9:03 AM on September 24, 2006

I'm a big fan of A Star is Burns.

Action und comedy...
posted by juiceCake at 9:25 AM on September 24, 2006

I'm not sure you're correct in your assertion that syndication cuts are preserved on the DVD.

No, they're not (necessarily). That's what I was saying. When the versions are different, I always go for the primary source. When the versions are the same, I go with the better-quality source material.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:36 AM on September 24, 2006

ambers link worked great and was fullscreen too, cant seem to get anything else up though....
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:30 AM on September 24, 2006

sgt.---on the original page, click on the (x) next to each ep to get the fullscreen versions.
posted by amberglow at 11:11 AM on September 24, 2006

LOL, I don't think I'll ever get tired of Benny Hill Yakkity Sax parodies.
posted by sonofsamiam at 11:22 AM on September 24, 2006

This is amazing. Anybody remember the episode where Marge trips on tap water?
posted by my homunculus is drowning at 1:27 PM on September 24, 2006

Bort
Where are the transcripts? Sorry, I'm stupid and just not seeing them, but I'd love to.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:54 PM on September 24, 2006

This is amazing. Anybody remember the episode where Marge trips on tap water?

Here.
posted by ifranzen at 3:14 PM on September 24, 2006

transcripts: snpp.com
posted by blue_beetle at 3:23 PM on September 24, 2006

Haven't seen one of them.
posted by HTuttle at 3:51 PM on September 24, 2006

Rosa Barks.
posted by NationalKato at 6:16 PM on September 24, 2006

Paws Skaggs.
posted by NationalKato at 6:33 PM on September 24, 2006

Poochie.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 6:46 PM on September 24, 2006

Bart's teacher is named Krabappel? Oh, I've been calling her Crandall.
posted by oxford blue at 10:26 PM on September 24, 2006

snpp - I guess it wasn't from the main link, but one of the comment links.
posted by Bort at 3:32 PM on September 25, 2006

Every South Park episode online.
posted by LarryC at 7:43 PM on September 25, 2006

I think it's dead now :(
posted by apple scruff at 1:46 PM on September 26, 2006

I personally watched one of the Simpsons episodes yesterday evening, and one of the Futurama episodes this morning. Still up.
posted by Plutor at 7:25 AM on September 27, 2006

Holy shit his new site is even better.
posted by bonaldi at 4:25 PM on September 27, 2006

It's not up anymore. Fox axed him to take it down. But there are links to where they can be found.
posted by Flashman at 8:20 AM on October 9, 2006