Man marries daughter

September 27, 2006 9:30 PM

A rich man was not content just to have sex with his own daughter so he asked her to marry him and she said yes and so it goes.
posted by xmutex (125 comments total)

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posted by exlotuseater at 9:38 PM on September 27, 2006

Why is this any of our business? Other then the girl's husband, who I guess got screwed, they didn't hurt anyone.

I say leave them alone. It sounds like they were happy.
posted by delmoi at 9:40 PM on September 27, 2006 [1 favorite]

I...have no words.
posted by liquorice at 9:41 PM on September 27, 2006

Oh sorry, I didn't see that they broke up and got into a legal dispute. Should have read the whole article.

In court papers, McMahan denies that he ever had a sexual affair with his daughter. But he doesn't explain how his and Linda's DNA turned up on a vibrator that Linda's husband uncovered in her luggage.

Um, ew.
posted by delmoi at 9:41 PM on September 27, 2006

Then McMahan really started to lay it on thick. Linda testified he told her he believed they'd been married in a previous life. Earlier in the evening, she remembered, he had pointed out that her legs were a "very sexy version" of his own.

Um, lol.
posted by delmoi at 9:43 PM on September 27, 2006

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posted by dhammond at 9:43 PM on September 27, 2006

Wait, I take that back. I see she was adopted and only met him once she was an adult. That probably shouldn't change anything, but it does for me (at least a bit).
posted by liquorice at 9:44 PM on September 27, 2006

So she had been put up for adoption, and he never knew her as a child. That makes this much, much less creepy IMO.
posted by delmoi at 9:48 PM on September 27, 2006

This sort of thing - intense, obsessive sexual relationships - actually happens quite a lot when long-lost family members are reunited as adults. It's pretty weird.
posted by stammer at 9:48 PM on September 27, 2006

I can imagine that a few very rare pairs of close blood relatives could have a sexual relationship that made them better and happier people.

These two aren't among them.
posted by ottereroticist at 9:48 PM on September 27, 2006

The adoption angle only reduces the creepy factor by one point. This gets a 9.
posted by dhammond at 9:50 PM on September 27, 2006

stammer writes "It's pretty weird."

Weird, but kind of to be expected. These kind of reunions have some pretty intense emotions surrounding them, and for some people all emotion gets channeled into sex...
posted by mr_roboto at 9:50 PM on September 27, 2006

This sort of thing - intense, obsessive sexual relationships - actually happens quite a lot when long-lost family members are reunited as adults.

It's called genetic sexual attraction.
posted by ottereroticist at 9:53 PM on September 27, 2006

From McMahan, she'd inherited a genetic condition called Reiter's syndrome, an autoimmune disorder that causes inflammation of the soft tissues and can affect the eyes and, more seriously, the heart. Linda had a bad flare-up and developed cataracts in both eyes
....
Also, McMahan is said to believe that his genes are exemplary and saw in Linda the best match for his own superiority.

Darwin he ain't.
posted by delmoi at 9:54 PM on September 27, 2006

Is it bad that I read this and am not grossed out? I mean, I would be if the girl was 14, but she's thirty-five. Why should I care if she fucks her dad?
posted by Citizen Premier at 9:54 PM on September 27, 2006

Weird, but kind of to be expected. These kind of reunions have some pretty intense emotions surrounding them, and for some people all emotion gets channeled into sex...

One of the main reasons is that when people grow up together they are 'imprinted' with a desire not to have sex with that person. It happens in almost all animals (including humans of course) No shared childhood, no imprinting.

People who are not related, but still grow up together are not sexually attracted to each other in general.
posted by delmoi at 9:57 PM on September 27, 2006 [1 favorite]

stammer writes "This sort of thing - intense, obsessive sexual relationships - actually happens quite a lot when long-lost family members are reunited as adults. "


Really?? Can you point to a cite?
posted by orthogonality at 9:57 PM on September 27, 2006

mmmm, Gossip! That's why i came here
posted by wumpus at 9:58 PM on September 27, 2006

Is it bad that I read this and am not grossed out? I mean, I would be if the girl was 14, but she's thirty-five. Why should I care if she fucks her dad?

exactly, consenting adults, man. On the other hand, it's a fascinating peek into the lives of the uber-rich, and sort of a weird tail of daughter. It turns out her biological father is a fantastically wealthy man, who subsequently falls in love with her. Straight out of Shakespeare man.
posted by delmoi at 9:59 PM on September 27, 2006

Linda moved into a nearby condo, leaving behind her career as a psychologist.
posted by Holy foxy moxie batman! at 10:00 PM on September 27, 2006

Soll, who has no attachment to the McMahan litigation, has treated a half-dozen patients who had sexual intercourse with a close blood relative who had been separated early in life. An adoptee himself, Soll mediates group therapy sessions where hundreds of participants have talked openly about their physical desires for relatives they've recently reunited with.

So it obviously happens a lot.

"The dad is supposed to be the adult," Soll said. "He should have been responsible enough to say, well, wait. She got taken by something she had no awareness of."

That's absurd. They were both adults. Although you could make the argument that his money and power placed them on unequal levels, they were both adults. It's not his fault alone.
posted by delmoi at 10:01 PM on September 27, 2006

Really?? Can you point to a cite?

The article itself is a cite, actually.
posted by delmoi at 10:02 PM on September 27, 2006

Her estranged husband, Schutt, sued McMahan in Mississippi, where it's still legal for one man to sue another for ruining his marriage.

Hah.
posted by delmoi at 10:05 PM on September 27, 2006

"Oh my god! Ick! Ew! Gross! Tell me more..."
posted by loquacious at 10:06 PM on September 27, 2006

I have to agree with delmoi's original take - this really isn't anyone's business but theirs (and their spouses, I guess).

He didn't even meet her until she was 29, so it's hardly 'traditionally incestuous'. Based on this article, she seems shallow and he seems silly. No offense to the OP, but who cares? If they weren't spending megabucks, and had instead 'wed'/had photos taken in front of their local church, would we even be aware of this?
posted by stinkycheese at 10:10 PM on September 27, 2006

Really?? Can you point to a cite?
posted by orthogonality

See ottereroticist's link on "genetic sexual attraction". It's been pretty well studied, especially in the kibbutz situation -- though that's the reverse -- the imprinted lack of desire.
posted by dreamsign at 10:18 PM on September 27, 2006

In court papers, McMahan denies that he ever had a sexual affair with his daughter. But he doesn't explain how his and Linda's DNA turned up on a vibrator that Linda's husband uncovered in her luggage. McMahan also hints that Linda may not be his biological daughter, despite a DNA test he paid for showing with 99.7 percent probability that he is her father.
posted by exlotuseater at 10:26 PM on September 27, 2006

^ for those that were saying about the creepiness factor being notched down.
posted by exlotuseater at 10:26 PM on September 27, 2006

It may not be morally wrong, considering both were consenting adults, but I'm still going to call it freakish and disgusting.
posted by BrotherCaine at 10:34 PM on September 27, 2006

McMahan sounds like a thoroughly unlikeable character and his behaviour is reprehensible.
posted by tellurian at 10:35 PM on September 27, 2006

It's called genetic sexual attraction.
posted by ottereroticist

W.O.W. And weird -- I had no idea that such a thing (syndrome? phenomenom?) existed.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 10:35 PM on September 27, 2006

GSA types even have their own phpBB forum.

See the previous posts on the subject.
posted by karson at 10:39 PM on September 27, 2006

Their relationship started when both were adults and apparently was entirely consensual. So that part of it I really don't give a damn. Consenting adults should be able to screw however they want in whatever combination they want.

with the fallout over the breakup of McMahan and Linda in five lawsuits involving not only father and daughter but also their legal spouses, as well as Linda's current boyfriend and soon-to-be father of her child.

I feel bad for the kid, though, because neither she nor her father seem to take commitments made to other people very seriously and I'm guessing that she won't be providing a particularly stable home environment for that kid.
posted by obfusciatrist at 10:43 PM on September 27, 2006

I love that it's called "GSA." I'm gonna use it in a sentence. Perhaps every sentence.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 10:43 PM on September 27, 2006

"This sort of thing - intense, obsessive sexual relationships - actually happens quite a lot when long-lost family members are reunited as adults. It's pretty weird."

So my long-lost twin quonsar and I should avoid each other.
posted by davy at 10:45 PM on September 27, 2006

Genetics, schmenetics (so long as there are no kids).

The Woody Allen type situation is far freakier despite the adoption, since you have to wonder if he was thinking of her in that way while still acting as a parent.

Reunited relatives who are vitual strangers to each other? Whatever.
posted by dreamsign at 10:49 PM on September 27, 2006

I find myself not caring what rich idiots (or poor idiots, for that matter) do in their own bedrooms.
posted by Kickstart70 at 10:50 PM on September 27, 2006

dreamsign writes "It's been pretty well studied, especially in the kibbutz situation"


Yeah, missed that in my hurry. an I've heard the kibbutz stuff, just not the incest stuff.
posted by orthogonality at 10:54 PM on September 27, 2006

"Is it bad that I read this and am not grossed out? I mean, I would be if the girl was 14, but she's thirty-five. Why should I care if she fucks her dad?"

Same here.
posted by davy at 10:55 PM on September 27, 2006

BrotherCain, most Relationships are freakish and disgusting in some way. Or many ways.
posted by davy at 10:57 PM on September 27, 2006

"Sugar?"
"Daddy!"
posted by rob511 at 11:03 PM on September 27, 2006

So my long-lost twin quonsar and I should avoid each other.

Only if you're not planning on taping it and posting it to YouTube.
posted by loquacious at 11:05 PM on September 27, 2006

Oldboy.
posted by papakwanz at 11:06 PM on September 27, 2006

BrotherCain, most Relationships are freakish and disgusting in some way.

Not mine. Mine are beautiful, strong, and pretty-smelling.
posted by dobbs at 11:10 PM on September 27, 2006

Several other Astro Zombies have had sex with each other, and they're genetic duplicates. I've never, but, then, I've never been asked, have I?
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:14 PM on September 27, 2006 [1 favorite]

The Woody Allen type situation is far freakier despite the adoption, since you have to wonder if he was thinking of her in that way while still acting as a parent.

Who said Allen was acting as a parent? He didn't. It's "far freakier" when you're not actually related to somebody? Interesting. This one is definitely freakier - I mean, he seduced her with Braveheart.

I couldn't help but think of Lehane when I read this article. (It's reminiscent of the denoument to Sacred only less twisted. Heh, and it was the lighter book in the series.)

I think this needs a "Florida" tag. It would make it's weirdness more implicit.
posted by dgbellak at 11:18 PM on September 27, 2006

Wait, what's the kibbutz stuff?? I'm so confused. And afraid.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 11:20 PM on September 27, 2006

I think this needs a "Florida" tag.

For the last goddamn time, this isn't motherfucking Fark.
posted by Item at 11:24 PM on September 27, 2006

Metafilter: This isn't motherfucking Fark.
posted by davy at 11:51 PM on September 27, 2006

Oldboy.

Given that there's a US remake coming, has the spoiler clock been reset? What's the etiquette in this situation?

McMahan began spending more time at the plush Fisher Island retreat he'd built for his hedge-fund clients.

Ah, so incest isn't the worst thing he's been up to...
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 11:59 PM on September 27, 2006

Wait, what's the kibbutz stuff?? I'm so confused. And afraid.

It's the opposite. Kids who are raised together on a kibbutz are raised as closely as siblings, therefore they grow up with no attraction to each other.
posted by sourwookie at 12:02 AM on September 28, 2006

Yikes. Fucking yikes.
I don't know what I to say about this.
I guess with money, anything is possible.
Fucking YIKES.
posted by squidfartz at 12:05 AM on September 28, 2006

The $74,000 bill she racked up at Barney's counts for nothing, right?

'Linda enjoyed the trappings of life with one of America's richest money managers, racking up a $74,000 bill at Barney's New York.'

Isn't it the old moral question that we're not talking what roles the parties played, we're talking price?
posted by paulsc at 12:16 AM on September 28, 2006

ya know while this is creepy as hell. there is a reason we have the term "consenting adults"
posted by MrLint at 12:37 AM on September 28, 2006

Sounds like the plotline to the books Thicker Than Water & The Kiss by Kathryn Harrison except with a bigger bankroll.
posted by wilde at 12:45 AM on September 28, 2006

...billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, who has been much in the news lately for allegedly hiring underaged women to strip topless and massage him at his Palm Beach mansion. At the time, in the early 1980s, McMahan and Epstein worked together at Bear Stearns in New York.

Interesting company ol' Dad keeps.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:59 AM on September 28, 2006

These uber-rich people have way too much time on their hands.
posted by invisible ink at 12:59 AM on September 28, 2006

I think I must rush out now to have those papers notarized so that maybe I can locate my fabulously wealthy bilogical family sexy bilogical brothers.
posted by Goofyy at 1:01 AM on September 28, 2006

It's "far freakier" when you're not actually related to somebody?

Well be introspective enough to ask yourself for a moment what exactly is giving you the willies.

That a couple that knows each other as relatives, father and daughter, brother and sister, whatever, then have sex? Or that a couple of people who barely know each other have sex, and some of their adenine-cytosine-guanine-thymine patterning is the same? Dude, some of your DNA matches mine, too. The majority of it, actually.

IMHO it's the relationship that makes it weird. Absent that, who cares?
posted by dreamsign at 1:11 AM on September 28, 2006

Sounds like someone got a little carried away at the ol' father daughter purity ball (lost the mifi link).
posted by jeffburdges at 1:12 AM on September 28, 2006

And check out this photo!
posted by jeffburdges at 2:39 AM on September 28, 2006

This sounds like a subplot from Law & Order. I'm really missing Jerry Orbach's derisive sneer right about now.
posted by psmealey at 2:46 AM on September 28, 2006

Lorraine: "This is all wrong. I d... I don't know what it is but when I kiss you it's like I'm kissing my brother. I guess that doesn't make any sense, does it?"

Marty: "Believe me. It makes perfect sense."
posted by bwg at 3:04 AM on September 28, 2006

Paging Mr. Heinlein.

Anyone else enjoy the wonderfully accidental conjunction of this story with a headline in the "Other Photo Galleries" entitled "Hump-Day Magic?"
posted by Captaintripps at 4:44 AM on September 28, 2006

It doesn't sound like a consensual relationship, freely embarked on by two people who were attracted to each other, to me.

It sounds like an egotistical manipulative man using his paternal status along with his wealth to dominate his daughter, assert his ownership of her and force her into sex while she was at a disadvantage emotionally and in other ways, thereby screwing up her career, her marriage and the rest of her life.

Think twice before you seek out the biological parents who gave you up.
posted by Phanx at 4:58 AM on September 28, 2006

I love this, "Court records show, for example, that in Sargent Schutt's lawsuit against McMahan, his attorney had a "rabbit" vibrator Schutt found in Linda's luggage tested for DNA. According to the test results, skin cells from Linda and sperm cells from her father were found on the device and its black cover. Five other vibrators were also sent to labs for testing."

I love how that last sentence is just dropped in there. Five vibrators? What, one for each city where McMahan's been sued?
posted by frecklefaerie at 5:14 AM on September 28, 2006

You see, this is what happens when heterosexuals are allowed to marry!

We need a constitutional amendment banning heterosexual marriage before anymore perversions can happen in God's Favorite Country!
posted by briank at 5:57 AM on September 28, 2006

You can take the boy out of the trailer park...

Please, God, let him be a Republican...
posted by klangklangston at 6:01 AM on September 28, 2006

This isn't supposed to happen until after we let teh gays get married.

On preview, touche briank
posted by jaronson at 6:02 AM on September 28, 2006

If All Men Were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister?
posted by sciurus at 6:02 AM on September 28, 2006

the heart wants what it wants
posted by rut roh at 6:07 AM on September 28, 2006

Not mine. Mine are beautiful, strong, and pretty-smelling.

Um. Do you "have a relationship" every morning after your coffee?

I myself have copious, well-formed, and firm relationships with no more odor than a hot biscuit.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:09 AM on September 28, 2006

A rich man was not content just to have sex with his own daughter so he asked her to marry him and she said yes and so it goes.

Heh, it doesn’t seem very appropriate to describe someone who wants to marry someone else as “not content just to have sex with them”; so why here?
posted by ed\26h at 6:17 AM on September 28, 2006

A US remake of "Oldboy"... am I the only one who thinks that this project has a 0% chance of *not* completely sucking?

Seriously, Americans have to learn that other countries can do things too. How hard is it to read subtitles?
posted by clevershark at 6:20 AM on September 28, 2006

It sounds like an egotistical manipulative man using his paternal status along with his wealth to dominate his daughter, assert his ownership of her and force her into sex while she was at a disadvantage emotionally and in other ways, thereby screwing up her career, her marriage and the rest of her life.

Think twice before you seek out the biological parents who gave you up.

How is your evaluation at all unique to the parent-"child" relationship? If we accept your definition of consent, I'm not sure how many people are consenting to anything.
posted by dreamsign at 6:20 AM on September 28, 2006

ROU_Xenophobe writes "I myself have copious, well-formed, and firm relationships with no more odor than a hot biscuit."

You'll pardon me if I don't ask your for your biscuit recipe...
posted by clevershark at 6:24 AM on September 28, 2006

...a weird tail of daughter.
What Delmoi said.
posted by Floydd at 6:30 AM on September 28, 2006

Anais Nin, anyone?
posted by paperhaus at 6:34 AM on September 28, 2006

...a weird tail of daughter.

CHASING TALE!
posted by quonsar at 6:42 AM on September 28, 2006

all five lawsuits were settled on undisclosed terms. As part of the settlement, a federal judge in San Diego sealed the files of the California lawsuit and took the rare step of wiping out any record that the lawsuit had ever existed.

Lawyer-types: how much does that usually cost?
posted by little miss manners at 6:45 AM on September 28, 2006

with no more odor than a hot biscuit

Road to Wellville Reference!
posted by sciurus at 7:01 AM on September 28, 2006

sciurus wins a yogurt enema!
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:21 AM on September 28, 2006

Ah, Westermark effect. I'm catching up. I'm still not convinced that these examples of related-people-discovering-each-other-as-adults-and-hot are "genetic." It could be a lot of things -- how our brains work, how our society works, etc., without it being "genetic" in the way that we usually use that word.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 7:42 AM on September 28, 2006

Well be introspective enough to ask yourself for a moment what exactly is giving you the willies.

Allen and Soon-Yi claim they never saw each other as father and daughter. Your argument involving relationships and roles doesn't apply as far as they're concerned. That they weren't father and daughter, helps.

On the other hand, these two knew of their actual father/daughter relationship beforehand, even if they didn't feel it or act accordingly. That they ignored it and carried on...that gives me the willies. Just a little. Reading what's revealed of her testimony, it doesn't sound like two star-crossed lovers who fell into each other's arms. It sounds like the lust of two people who don't think they have to answer to anyone else. Consenting adults, sure, but to ignore their genetic bond in order to satisfy something more base just comes off as selfish and ignorant to me. There was also clearly much coercion on his part, which is what usually happens in the majority of incestual relationships at any age.

I'm no morality policeman myself, but all the dirty porn I read doesn't make this any less strange and creepy.
posted by dgbellak at 7:52 AM on September 28, 2006

If only one of them had come to AskMetafilter.
posted by JanetLand at 8:12 AM on September 28, 2006 [1 favorite]

delmoi: Why is this any of our business?

I'm not inclined to disagree, but I have to say: You can look down your nose at this post, or you can drop 10 comments into the thread. You can't do both.
posted by cribcage at 8:27 AM on September 28, 2006 [2 favorites]

Preposterous. You're forgetting that you can also look down your nose at everybody who posts in the thread.
posted by sonofsamiam at 8:37 AM on September 28, 2006

Bring back the FPPs of cats in funny outfits, please.
posted by DenOfSizer at 8:50 AM on September 28, 2006

I might be misconstruing the piece (or you, dreamsign - surely you're not saying that all sex takes place under emotional and financial duress?) but I see no evidence of any sexual attraction on the daughter's part at all - only confusion and distress.

And I have to say these are pretty minimal ethical standards we're talking about here. You know, we're not asking you to be good. We're not asking you to be decent. We're not even asking you to be sexually continent. Just, when your abandoned, long-lost daughter turns up in an emotionally fragile state, do you think, you know, you could just manage to refrain from fucking her?
posted by Phanx at 8:53 AM on September 28, 2006

Several other Astro Zombies have had sex with each other, and they're genetic duplicates. I've never, but, then, I've never been asked, have I?

Father and Daughter having sex... meh. Kinda boring, really.

Getting cloned and then having sex with yourself... now THAT'S creepy.

At least you'd know what each other really liked, though... right?
posted by BobFrapples at 9:11 AM on September 28, 2006

Only if you communicate, BobFrapples. Only if you communicate.
posted by NationalKato at 9:29 AM on September 28, 2006

Getting cloned and then having sex with yourself... now THAT'S creepy.

See Greg Egan, "Closer," in Axiomatic. Sort of.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:31 AM on September 28, 2006

This family puts the "D" in Dysfunctional.

McMahon is a squirrel who likes to play with people's heads. He's also a control freak.

And it just so happens that he's wealthy and has a daughter who was adopted and a bit needy (maybe shallow too).

They're obviously all adults and it's no skin off my ass if the father and daughter had sex. But here's my suggestion.

Linda needs to walk away from her biological father and get her shit together. And she needs to let McMahan's money go too. She's stuck on the money IMHO. Here's her perfect life:

"I told him that I would like to live in Sausalito, California. I would like to have a Saab convertible. I would like to have a dog named Pooh, and a sailboat."

...at least she didn't ask for a pony too!

Hopefully, at some point she'll get some counseling and work on her self-esteem issues. I'm not convinced that she's ready to do that yet.

McMahan will never change.
posted by bim at 9:39 AM on September 28, 2006

McMahan will never change.
posted by bim

Can't stop googling McMahan ... can't stop
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 9:46 AM on September 28, 2006

The Kiss by Kathryn Harrison tells the true story of how she slept with her father.
posted by jrossi4r at 9:53 AM on September 28, 2006

Court records show, for example, that in Sargent Schutt's lawsuit against McMahan, his attorney had a "rabbit" vibrator Schutt found in Linda's luggage tested for DNA. According to the test results, skin cells from Linda and sperm cells from her father were found on the device and its black cover.

I thought DNA was DNA, no matter what cells it came from. Does this mean the type of cells were confirmed using simple microscopy?
posted by maudlin at 10:05 AM on September 28, 2006

Claudia said -- Can't stop googling McMahan ... can't stop

Huh? Are you looking for a sugardaddy? :>
posted by bim at 10:09 AM on September 28, 2006

Ack -- hit submit too soon. Or could they pick up enough cells that they were convinced were sperm cells -- not a single skin cell among them -- and analyse the DNA from those alone, proving in one fell swoop that this was his semen?

I always thought DNA testing was pure brute force: swab an area, run the tests on that swab, and report on the one or more different people found, thus requiring two step testing as I described above to get those results.
posted by maudlin at 10:09 AM on September 28, 2006

This woman was finishing a degree in psychology, so it's hardly the case that she's some naive, innocent waif, as some are portraying her here. As bim says, her "perfect life" consisted of Things.

It's morbidly interesting sure, but again, they both sound like losers to me. In short, meh.
posted by stinkycheese at 10:20 AM on September 28, 2006

ICK, YUCK, ICK ICK ICK. Ick, that's all I can keep thinking. It's just nasty and wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Ick.

She was 30 for christ's sake-It's hard to believe she's the unknowing victim. However, I'd imagine meeting your father for the first time is pretty amazing & intimidating and you want to be a "good girl" even at 30. So maybe there's some blame on the father there for taking advantage of her situation. But still, what the hell were they thinking???? ICK.

Sick sick world we live in.
posted by aacheson at 10:28 AM on September 28, 2006

What little miss manners asked. Come on, how much does it cost to remove all the traces of your court cases about incest from your legal record? Purely an academic question, you understand.

Also, I'm surprised at the amount of tolerance here for this f*cked up relationship. Isn't incest a crime over the pond? I mean, I know about {insert your favourite southern state}, but, hey, guys, surely this is wrong?
posted by imperium at 10:29 AM on September 28, 2006

Screw the creepy relationship story, I want to know more about this bit:

Six years after graduating from the University of Southern California in 1960, the young magnate set out with some friends to create their own country.

According to newspaper articles published at the time, the plan involved sinking a mothballed World War II ship 220 miles off the California shore, then piling on concrete, clay, and garbage. The resulting island would be in international waters and outside the jurisdiction of American law. McMahan's group planned to corner the market on abalone fishing.

The plan failed, and his business biographies today don't mention it.

posted by xiojason at 10:34 AM on September 28, 2006

If you're a 30 year old woman and your idea of being a "good girl" is to fuck and marry your dad, I would wager you have more problems than just the incestuous relationship.

I mean, this all gives me the creeps, but saying that he took advantage of the situation and she was only being a "good girl" for him is just crazy. She was 30, she wasn't a kid anymore, and she must have known perfectly well what she was doing. Posing for wedding pictures with your dad just isn't something little girls do for kicks, let alone a 30 year old woman.
posted by splice at 10:40 AM on September 28, 2006

Who the fuck gives a single shit about this? Broward Palm- Beach just fuck right off. In other news I had a litre of Tropicana Fibre yesterday, it's weird that it actually makes my crap metallurgically solid. Seriously fucking hard, like large calibre rounds. Yet it's a fruit drink. How on earth does that work? I should think of my self as lucky; the bog bowl didn't break. I should obviously shit harder if I want to break my bog. Oh look another facile-nate-ing story for you.
posted by econous at 11:19 AM on September 28, 2006

ICK, YUCK, ICK ICK ICK. Ick, that's all I can keep thinking. It's just nasty and wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Ick.

So – it’s wrong because you find the idea repulsive?
posted by ed\26h at 11:39 AM on September 28, 2006

Imperium asked -- Isn't incest a crime over the pond? I mean, I know about {insert your favourite southern state}, but, hey, guys, surely this is wrong?

According to this article in the Harvard Law Review (June 2006), incest laws vary quite a bit.

The criminal statutes vary widely; indeed, a few states impose no criminal penalties whatsoever on incestuous behavior. Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989, Ohio’s criminal statute targets only parental figures, and New Jersey does not punish acts committed when both parties are over eighteen years old. Other states, however, have a wide variety of criminal penalties for an assortment of behaviors and relationships. Massachusetts threatens up to twenty years in prison for engaging in “sexual activities” with relatives nearer than first cousins, Hawaii up to five years for “sexual penetration” with certain blood relatives or in-laws (such as a motherin-law), and Utah up to five years for “sexual intercourse” with a first cousin — even a “half”-first cousin. (pp. 2469-2470)
posted by bim at 11:45 AM on September 28, 2006

Isn't incest a crime over the pond? I mean, I know about {insert your favourite southern state}, but, hey, guys, surely this is wrong?

As long as these two aren't having children, how is society effected? There's so many more important things going on in the world, the only reason I can see anyone getting up in arms about this is that they find it gross and want to eradicate teh gross.

Which is a waste of time, believe me. Nature is gross.
posted by stinkycheese at 12:17 PM on September 28, 2006

I knew a woman who -- at the age of 47 -- was reunited with the son she'd given up for adoption when she was 16. The first time they met, she was 47, and he was 33. She said the physical desire was very intense, and on several occassions they talked about having sex. I lost touch with her, so I don't know what actually ended up happening.

She also described this as something that's relatively common among adopted people who reunite with their biological parents.
posted by alms at 1:01 PM on September 28, 2006

maudlin-- DNA from a sperm cell will have only half as many chromosomes as DNA from other cells. Same would be true for an egg cell.
posted by InfidelZombie at 1:21 PM on September 28, 2006

Ah! That makes complete sense and matches up with what I learned in 8th grade science. Thanks, InfidelZombie.
posted by maudlin at 1:24 PM on September 28, 2006

keep the $ in the family. at least i dont have $.
posted by j-urb at 1:37 PM on September 28, 2006

"She also described this as something that's relatively common among adopted people who reunite with their biological parents."

Makes sense. I mean, think about how many couples look alike already. Plus, I'd be pretty hot as a chick.
Is it incest to fuck your clone?
posted by klangklangston at 1:40 PM on September 28, 2006

Every person whom I know who majored in psycology has issues. I don't think her psych classes prepared Linda for this at all. I think she took her psych classes to figure out what's wrong with herself.
posted by frecklefaerie at 1:49 PM on September 28, 2006

My point is that she was educated in exactly the area of thought that other posters imply she was ignorant of (people's motivations, relationships, etc.). You're right, in as much as it makes sense for those with psychological problems to take psych classes, but that doesn't change the fact that she had a lot of knowledge in this area.

Clearly, she has issues now if she didn't before. I'm not saying she didn't have issues.
posted by stinkycheese at 2:07 PM on September 28, 2006

Boy, you clone-fuckers should really check out Schaffer the Darklord... specifically this track.
posted by synaesthetichaze at 2:13 PM on September 28, 2006

Plus, I'd be pretty hot as a chick. Is it incest to fuck your clone?

Nope - but it's pretty gay.
posted by Sparx at 2:25 PM on September 28, 2006

She's hot.

I'ld hit it!!!!

Especially if it was my long last daughter.

//oh wait, this isn't fark
posted by Justin Case at 2:29 PM on September 28, 2006

Ugh. I can't believe some people view this woman as a victim. Sure, the father is a seriously fucked-up piece-of-shit, but seen from here, the daughter also looks like a manipulative bitch.
Let's look at it like this: young, attractive, rather intelligent woman looks for her biological parents and discovers that his father is filthy rich. Nice. However, it must become increasingly obvious to her that she can't get as much money from him as she'd like: she's too old to have a legal claim for financial support and too young to inherit. Bummer. His father is apparently in good health and clearly enjoys his money. Worse, he's a genuine dirty old man and risks spending all his money in floozies well before kicking the bucket. That must have been quite infuriating for her: being his daughter, rather than a boon, could mean having less of a chance of getting a chunk of his money than about every other woman her age. When he then hit on her, it must have felt like a jackpot.
Of course, things then got complicated. They usually do when your use your genitals as a cash dispenser. Boo-fucking-hoo.
posted by Skeptic at 3:11 PM on September 28, 2006

Well, Skeptic, she certainly was old enough (and educated enough, in the right field even) to know what she was getting into. But he had the power in the relationship, and from the way he treated her at the beginning and later, he wasn't afraid to use it to manipulate.

That rather points to a personality trait that must have been present before their relationship became sexual. In other words, he habitually used and toyed with people.

In her situation, looking for that parental approval and validation, you can imagine that using her sexual power over him must have seemed very attractive to balance things out. It's just obvious in this dynamic.

Do note that she walked away from him hoping for a white-picket-fence life at one point. I'm sure she was struggling herself with the attractiveness of all that money, but I think the acceptance and other issues were probably more important.
posted by dhartung at 4:02 PM on September 28, 2006

They get to call each other DILF.
posted by NortonDC at 4:53 PM on September 28, 2006

The Aristocrats!
posted by Smedleyman at 6:18 PM on September 28, 2006 [2 favorites]

Is it incest to fuck your clone?

Masturbation. See also (I can't believe nobody mentioned this yet).
posted by booksandlibretti at 6:32 PM on September 28, 2006

Am I the only person who looked at the earlier linked GSA site and stumbled away, clutching at my head?

I mean, reading "The Kiss" didn't prepare me for the idea that there are droves of them out there.
posted by digitalis at 1:11 AM on September 29, 2006

WTF is with that book cover? GSA = wanting to hump your six year-old? I shouldn't think so.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:41 AM on September 29, 2006

Another fiction clone-incest story: The Phantom of Kansas, by John Varley.
posted by Orb2069 at 3:25 PM on September 30, 2006