Comments on: Are You Jewish Tonight?

Are You Jewish Tonight?

jonp72 — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:58:17 -0800

Elvis: King of the Rock 'n' Roll Jews? Unlike George Allen, Elvis proudly embraced his Jewish heritage. Through his mother's side of the family, Elvis could trace his lineage back to his Jewish great-grandmother, Martha Tackett, which makes Elvis Jewish by matrilineal descent. A former shabbos goy who did chores on the Sabbath for a rabbi in Memphis, Elvis had his biggest-selling success with a #1 hit by a Jewish songwriting team. Known to wear a Hebrew Chai pendant and to donate to Jewish charities in Memphis, Elvis also put the Star of David on his Mom's gravestone.

By: docgonzo

docgonzo — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:05:45 -0800

"Nancy Tackett, nee Burdine, who is believed to have been Jewish." Emphasis here is on 'believed to have been.' And I wouldn't put much stock in him wearing a pendant or donating to charities -- Elvis was strictly catholic when it came to appropriating religious symbols and giving money away.

By: orthogonality

orthogonality — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:08:15 -0800

I say, macaca.

By: jonp72

jonp72 — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:12:03 -0800

Even if the claim to matrilineal descent is weak, it's clear from the links that Elvis himself believed he had some Jewish heritage.

By: horsewithnoname

horsewithnoname — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:23:46 -0800

Sasquatch is also Jewish.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:28:45 -0800

well, since my bubbe left me I found a new place to kvell down at the end of that shtetl street the Tsuris Hotel....

By: pax digita

pax digita — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:30:50 -0800

Did anybody else flash on this song?

By: jonmc

jonmc — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:32:53 -0800

no, but damn, it's nice to see that band remembered.

By: Postroad

Postroad — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:36:31 -0800

funny, he didn't look Jewish...but he was ok anway...some of my favorite entertainers are Jewish

By: dash_slot-

dash_slot- — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:47:07 -0800

Jewish? I always thought Elvis was Welsh...though I guess they ain't mutually exclusive.

By: lekvar

lekvar — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:50:58 -0800

I remember hearing an interview on the radio, it might have been This American Life, where Elvis was described as being a goy who would help Jews avoid working on the Sabbath by doing the little things, like flicking light switches, that were proscribed by the commandment to do no work. Does this mean he broke the Sabbath himself?

By: ijoshua

ijoshua — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:51:17 -0800

A Jewish client of mine alleges that Elvis was shabbos goy for a family my client knew in Memphis.

By: ijoshua

ijoshua — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:52:22 -0800

lekvar, kismet!

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:52:46 -0800

are fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches kosher?

By: i_am_joe's_spleen

i_am_joe's_spleen — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:55:49 -0800

Previously.

By: lee

lee — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:57:39 -0800

are fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches kosher? As long as they are not cooked in lard!

By: lekvar

lekvar — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:58:35 -0800

I was trying to remember what the term was, thanks for reminding me, ijoshua.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:05:03 -0800

are fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches kosher? As long as they are not cooked in lard! If I recall correctly, The King usually added bacon as well, so, no. (at this place I've had the 'Elvis' avec bacon. Tasty, but it roosts in your colon like it's taking up permanent residence)

By: dhammond

dhammond — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:28:49 -0800

Unlike George Allen ZING! That's so clever, the way you worked that in there.

By: piratebowling

piratebowling — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:32:59 -0800

So this makes Neil Diamond the extra-Jewish Elvis?

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:40:01 -0800

Cary Grant also thought himself to be a Jew.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:45:52 -0800

people in show biz think a lot of strange things ... hell, jim morrison thought he was a poet

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:57:51 -0800

Elvis loved burnt bacon sandwiches with lots of mustard. According to Red, anyway.

By: destinyland

destinyland — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:13:10 -0800

I thought that in order to be Jewish, your mother had to be Jewish. (Seriously.) That's why Senator Allen is always asked about his "Jewish ANCESTRY" rather than whether he himself is Jewish. Elvis probably wouldn't care about this distinction, though. He had a ring created in the 60s that symbolized all faith's coming together.

By: dw

dw — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:17:40 -0800

Jewish? I always thought Elvis was Welsh To the people of Pembrokeshire, he is. While I was living in Haverfordwest some guy opened an Elvis-themed pub. Doesn't appear to be there anymore (or doesn't have a website).

By: djfiander

djfiander — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:20:35 -0800

Somebody did a whole documentary about trying to find out if he really was.

By: needs more cowbell

needs more cowbell — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:21:58 -0800

I thought that in order to be Jewish, your mother had to be Jewish. Yeah, that's the standard. But the ancestor believed to be Jewish is his mother's mother's mother. If that lady was Jewish, so was her daughter, and her daughter, and that daughter's son (Elvis).

By: Brian B.

Brian B. — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:27:23 -0800

The wikipedia entry on Pentacostalism, posted yesterday in an unrelated FPP, claims that Elvis was raised in the faith.

By: mwhybark

mwhybark — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:31:34 -0800

A+++ WOULD CLICK AGAIN

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:42:47 -0800

In Reform Judaism, either parent will make you a Jew.

By: longsleeves

longsleeves — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:08:11 -0800

As long as they are not cooked in lard! What the hell else would they be fried in? Canola oil? Don't think so.

By: frecklefaerie

frecklefaerie — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:12:31 -0800

I think all Jesus-related/mentioning religions are distilled Judaism. Catholisism is reformed Judaism, Islam is reformed Catholicism, and between Henry VIII and the reformation we get what is known as simply Christianity today.

By: davy

davy — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:19:46 -0800

He could well have been raised Pentecostal, but that would not necessarily counteract his matrilineal Jewish heritage. I believe he'd've needed religious instruction (and perhaps circumcision) before he'd count as a full-fledged Jew, and I'm pretty certain he'd've had to accept that Jesus was not the Jewish messiah, but I think it'd be more like "restoration" than "conversion". I like the Wikipedia article "Who is a Jew?", though of course neither it nor I can claim halakhic authority. There's also the soc.culture.judaism FAQ section on "matrilineal descent", and while pedantically Googling I found a Chabad Lubavitch article on the subject. And actually, Catholicism is a pagan Mystery religion, as is Mormonism; Protestantism and especially Islam are closer to Judaism.

By: jam_pony

jam_pony — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:22:44 -0800

> > I thought that in order to be Jewish, your mother had to be Jewish. > Yeah, that's the standard. But the ancestor believed to be Jewish is his mother's mother's mother. If that lady was Jewish, so was her daughter, and her daughter, and that daughter's son (Elvis).

Actually, it's almost the other way round: You have to be Jewish enough to accept the Jewish criterion of Jewishness, in order to draw any such conclusion from maternal ancestry.

By: dgaicun

dgaicun — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:56:50 -0800

Krauthammer's Law: Everyone is Jewish until proven otherwise. . . For all its tongue-in-cheek irony, Krauthammer's Law works because when I say "everyone," I don't mean everyone you know personally. Depending on the history and ethnicity of your neighborhood and social circles, there may be no one you know who is Jewish. But if "everyone" means anyone that you've heard of in public life, the law works for two reasons. Ever since the Jews were allowed out of the ghetto and into European society at the dawning of the Enlightenment, they have peopled the arts and sciences, politics, and history in astonishing disproportion to their numbers. There are 13 million Jews in the world, one-fifth of 1 percent of the world's population. Yet 20 percent of Nobel Prize winners are Jewish, a staggering hundredfold surplus of renown and genius. This is similarly true for a myriad of other "everyones" -- the household names in music, literature, mathematics, physics, finance, industry, design, comedy, film and, as the doors opened, even politics.

Everyone's Jewish - Charles Krauthammer

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:02:41 -0800

And actually, Catholicism is a pagan Mystery religion no, it's a form of christianity that appropriated the symbols of pagan mystery schools for the public, while combining greek philosophy with christian theology for the intellectuals

By: davy

davy — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:00:05 -0800

What I want to know is if one can quit being Jewish. If daddy's a rabbi and mom's (of course?) Jewish and you were bar mitzvahed etc., can you become an ex-Jew? Even Spinoza wasn't booted clean out of the Tribe. The aforementioned FAQ says "A Jew cannot become a non-Jew." Is that definitive? Someone could eat bacon and praise Jesus and never practice Judaism and still be Jewish?

By: jam_pony

jam_pony — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:52:30 -0800

davy, you can leave (be an ex-Jew) according to your own rules. You can't control what others consider you to be. If you still care whether the Tribe considers you Jewish or not, have you really left? And conversely, if you really abandon it then it's your own classification that matters, and that of people whose values you share. This turns out to be a variation of my earlier comment. It's like the couple who supposedly break up, but still fight: they wouldn't if they didn't still care.

By: sharpener

sharpener — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:04:36 -0800

who fucken cares? what does his religion have to do with anything?

By: pracowity

pracowity — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:09:41 -0800

If you still care whether the Tribe considers you Jewish or not, have you really left? If a religion is a belief that you have never held and that you don't want people to ascribe to you, you are not made a part of that religion by stating otherwise. Religion by personal belief is insanity, but religion by inheritance is insanity squared. Go back far enough and who isn't a Jew? Elvis (an anagram of "Levi's" -- "of Levi" -- and anagrams are also Jewish) has left the synagogue.

By: Goofyy

Goofyy — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:42:04 -0800

Huh. Never heard of a hillbilly Jew before. I didn't think that was kosher. The world is stranger than I thought.

By: Fuzzy Monster

Fuzzy Monster — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:40:36 -0800

Never heard of a hillbilly Jew before How about Kinky Friedman?

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:35:04 -0800

Jews Who Rock | [az]

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:37:07 -0800

unborked: Jews Who Rock [ isuck at the internets ]

By: dame

dame — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:46:23 -0800

By: Goofyy

Goofyy — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:04:34 -0800

Fuzzy Monster: Kinky's bio in no way describes a hillbilly (being born in Chicago and getting a BA at UT Austin quite rules it out). But I never heard of him, either. But the snark isn't directed at hillbillies or Jews. Rather at Elvis, whom I always snark. I got me some hillbilly ancestry, I do.

By: Fuzzy Monster

Fuzzy Monster — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:36:40 -0800

Goofyy: but look at Kinky's photo on that wikipedia page! Hillbilly City! It's true that KF is a 'Professional Hillbilly'. He's got a shtick and he's sticking to it.

By: radiosig

radiosig — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:03:05 -0800

Metafilter: who fucken cares

By: LilBucner

LilBucner — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:28:03 -0800

Elvis' take on his Jewish star jewelry and charitable involvement with the Memphis JCC was that "I don't want to get left out of heaven on a technicality."

By: Kifer85

Kifer85 — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:05:05 -0800

davy--the belief that jews remain jews is quite prevalent. Ive heard plenty of rabbis discuss the poor misguided jews that might convert and be "confused", but overwhelmingly the opinion of most jews is that being jewish is something one is born into ethnically, and that the religious responsibilities associated with being jewish are necessary but not analagous to being "jewish". This ethnic character of judaism also plays into its general aversion to forms of prosylatizing. For many chabad hasids, being jewish is fundamentally connected to being decended from the individuals who personally witnessed moses recieving the torah at mt. sinai...to most jews (especially chabad), even if one takes on other beliefs, it is impossible to fully abdicate's one's jewish heritage.