Hubris hurts sometimes.
October 5, 2006 5:48 PM Subscribe
This post was deleted for the following reason: wait til something really happens, or until there's a real story written about it.
A three-paragraph, day-old news story? C'mon, delmoi, you know better.
posted by brain_drain at 5:59 PM on October 5, 2006
posted by brain_drain at 5:59 PM on October 5, 2006
This is worth talking about.
posted by Patricia Dunn
posted by orthogonality at 6:03 PM on October 5, 2006
posted by Patricia Dunn
posted by orthogonality at 6:03 PM on October 5, 2006
Good!
As I said before, Dunn is done, stick a fork in her.
posted by caddis at 6:04 PM on October 5, 2006
As I said before, Dunn is done, stick a fork in her.
posted by caddis at 6:04 PM on October 5, 2006
Indicted for "hacking"!?
Really, delmoi, you should know better. It's like I'm reading US News or Time Magazine or some shit. Except they would save the accusation of "hacking" for a 12 year old kid who held the anti-autorun shift key down while loading a "copy protected" CD.
"Hacking"! Heh. Please, just kill me already.
posted by loquacious at 6:16 PM on October 5, 2006
Really, delmoi, you should know better. It's like I'm reading US News or Time Magazine or some shit. Except they would save the accusation of "hacking" for a 12 year old kid who held the anti-autorun shift key down while loading a "copy protected" CD.
"Hacking"! Heh. Please, just kill me already.
posted by loquacious at 6:16 PM on October 5, 2006
Newsweek: HP May Face Civil Charges [On Top Of Current Criminal Charges] -- "California could seek multimillion-dollar damages."
posted by ericb at 6:17 PM on October 5, 2006
posted by ericb at 6:17 PM on October 5, 2006
Hacking as a fear-inducing media buzzword jumped the shark decades ago. Probably well before WOPR offered to play a nice game of chess.
If we want to get pedantic - and oh yes I do - password/security attacks are called cracking - as used in cracking a safe, because it is more-or-less the same discipline. Talking nice to people to make them do bad things is social engineering. Hacking has nothing to do with what they were doing at HP.
Hacking is what you do to a piece of hardware or software to make it better - obsessively better.
Maybe if those tainted Kool-Aid guzzling engineers at HP actually did focus on some real hacking, they wouldn't be having these problems.
Hey, HP! Here's a hint: More quality and innovation, less focus on profit margins. It's really that simple. The profits will take care of themselves if you just go back to the good stuff you used to do.
posted by loquacious at 6:30 PM on October 5, 2006
If we want to get pedantic - and oh yes I do - password/security attacks are called cracking - as used in cracking a safe, because it is more-or-less the same discipline. Talking nice to people to make them do bad things is social engineering. Hacking has nothing to do with what they were doing at HP.
Hacking is what you do to a piece of hardware or software to make it better - obsessively better.
Maybe if those tainted Kool-Aid guzzling engineers at HP actually did focus on some real hacking, they wouldn't be having these problems.
Hey, HP! Here's a hint: More quality and innovation, less focus on profit margins. It's really that simple. The profits will take care of themselves if you just go back to the good stuff you used to do.
posted by loquacious at 6:30 PM on October 5, 2006
Sweet baby Jesus boiled in garlic butter! I just noticed he used it as a tag, too!
/me tears out his hair, begins eating his own spleen.
posted by loquacious at 6:31 PM on October 5, 2006
/me tears out his hair, begins eating his own spleen.
posted by loquacious at 6:31 PM on October 5, 2006
Here's a hint: More quality and innovation, less focus on profit margins.
No, it's too late. Take the three engineers left in that company out and burn the rest to the ground.
HP was at one point of the great geek companies. It is damn sad to see how far they fell.
posted by eriko at 6:37 PM on October 5, 2006
No, it's too late. Take the three engineers left in that company out and burn the rest to the ground.
HP was at one point of the great geek companies. It is damn sad to see how far they fell.
posted by eriko at 6:37 PM on October 5, 2006
Hah, that page had an HP advert on it for me.
The whole hacking/cracking thing is one that puts me with both feet in the descriptivist camp. Seriously, it's fucking stupid.
Meanwhile, Dunn has advanced ovarian cancer.
posted by bonaldi at 6:38 PM on October 5, 2006
The whole hacking/cracking thing is one that puts me with both feet in the descriptivist camp. Seriously, it's fucking stupid.
Meanwhile, Dunn has advanced ovarian cancer.
posted by bonaldi at 6:38 PM on October 5, 2006
If we want to get pedantic - and oh yes I do - password/security attacks are called cracking - as used in cracking a safe, because it is more-or-less the same discipline
Why don't you go crying to ESR? That battle was lost years ago. She was charged with "unauthorized access to computer data." Which is generally called Hacking in the media, and always has.
The fact is, it's ESR and others who want to call themselves "hackers" who are trying to rewrite history. The "It's called cracking" talking point is a myth, propaganda aimed at reclaiming the word hacker.
"Cracking" in computer terminology always referred to breaking copy protection schemes, at least before a bunch of cry-babies decided to try playing language police. I've never once seen the word "craking" or "crackers" used in this sense other then in rants aimed at reclaiming the word 'hacker'.
Anyway, words can have more then one meaning. The fact is "hacking" can mean both breaking into computers, and tinkering and writing software. It can also mean playing hacky sack.
Too bad the Woz isn't on staff anymore.
All mentions of Woz must link to his metafilter profile
posted by delmoi at 7:12 PM on October 5, 2006
Why don't you go crying to ESR? That battle was lost years ago. She was charged with "unauthorized access to computer data." Which is generally called Hacking in the media, and always has.
The fact is, it's ESR and others who want to call themselves "hackers" who are trying to rewrite history. The "It's called cracking" talking point is a myth, propaganda aimed at reclaiming the word hacker.
"Cracking" in computer terminology always referred to breaking copy protection schemes, at least before a bunch of cry-babies decided to try playing language police. I've never once seen the word "craking" or "crackers" used in this sense other then in rants aimed at reclaiming the word 'hacker'.
Anyway, words can have more then one meaning. The fact is "hacking" can mean both breaking into computers, and tinkering and writing software. It can also mean playing hacky sack.
Too bad the Woz isn't on staff anymore.
All mentions of Woz must link to his metafilter profile
posted by delmoi at 7:12 PM on October 5, 2006
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