Naughty non-Nurses

November 9, 2006 7:26 PM

The Heart Attack Grill proclaims itself to be the "Home of the Double Bypass Burger". Its motto is "Taste worth dying for!" Its waitresses wear "naughty nurse" costumes. It's pretty clear they're trying to compete with Hooters, and who can say? They might succeed. But not if the Center for Nursing Advocacy has anything to say about it. The Center claims that 54% of British men have sexual fantasies about nurses, and therefore a restaurant in Tempe, Arizona is a threat to the nursing profession, which could lead to "killing thousands if not millions" around the world.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste (85 comments total)

So, they're offering franchises, you say? If I were a cynical person, I would think that someone at H.A.G. HQ dropped a dime in order to get an easy mark to stir up a little more publicity for themselves.

But still, a one-pound hamburger? With bacon? Naah.
posted by yhbc at 7:35 PM on November 9, 2006

fuck men, i'm sick of them. why can't they grow the fuck up? and fuck those girls who help further breed the stupidity by being part of a problem they're too young to understand or care about.
posted by lisalisa123 at 7:44 PM on November 9, 2006 [2 favorites]

oh, lisa, lisa...
posted by rxrfrx at 7:48 PM on November 9, 2006

They offer the "Quadruple Bypass Burger" which is fully two pounds of meat. It comes with "wheelchair service" out to your car afterwards.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 7:49 PM on November 9, 2006

lisalisa123, with a little luck, both groups will heed your advice about the other. But will that make you any happier?
posted by JekPorkins at 7:50 PM on November 9, 2006

Actually, their most immediate competition isn't Hooters, it's the The Library Bar & Grill that opened in Tempe a few years ago.

The customer base for both of these restaurants is male ASU students. They're not known for being cultured.
posted by faster than a speeding bulette at 7:53 PM on November 9, 2006

Was this started by Simpsons writers? I'd like to think that someone somewhere out there is thinking of opening the Texas Cheesecake Depository.
posted by fleetmouse at 7:54 PM on November 9, 2006

OK, let me get this straight. Rather than believing that there's a nursing shortage because nurses aren't paid enough, are still seen as doctors' little assistants despite having a distinctly different and equally valuable role in patient care, work too many hours, care for too many patients, risk lawsuits every day, have ridiculous student loan debt, and get very little respect from the medical establishment, I'm instead supposed to believe that people are put off by the idea of someone fantasizing about them?

I really hope the Center for Nursing Advocacy decides quickly that they've got more important things to worry about.
posted by jesourie at 7:55 PM on November 9, 2006 [4 favorites]

How many years has it been since real nurses dressed that way?

And from the site it looks like the cooks dress as surgeons. I don't see the AMA bitching about this.
posted by nyxxxx at 7:57 PM on November 9, 2006

no, i'm a very angry gal. ;)
posted by lisalisa123 at 7:57 PM on November 9, 2006

This page ("They're not real nurses?!") is pretty funny.
posted by brain_drain at 8:00 PM on November 9, 2006

Only 54%?!

jesourie sums up my thoughts fairly well. Nursing advocacy needs to pick their battles.
posted by dog food sugar at 8:01 PM on November 9, 2006

no, i'm a very angry gal. ;)

I'm pretty sure there's a sexy costume for that . . .
posted by JekPorkins at 8:02 PM on November 9, 2006

They offer the "Quadruple Bypass Burger" which is fully two pounds of meat. It comes with "wheelchair service" out to your car afterwards.

I see a future lawsuit there where some jackass claims he was under the influence of tryptophan when he plowed into the school bus.
posted by Pollomacho at 8:05 PM on November 9, 2006

no, i'm a very angry gal. ;)

I'm pretty sure there's a sexy costume for that . . .

No, I think that IS as sexy costume in some circles!
posted by Pollomacho at 8:06 PM on November 9, 2006 [1 favorite]

I see a future lawsuit there where some jackass claims he was under the influence of tryptophan when he plowed into the school bus.

I see a future lawsuit where some frat boy claims that he was under the influence of alcohol when he said racist things in a hit movie. Oh, wait.
posted by JekPorkins at 8:07 PM on November 9, 2006

The Center claims that 54% of British men have sexual fantasies about nurses

What they don't realise is that in those fantasies, the "nurses" are typically House of Lords judges in drag, taking their temperatures anally with oversized novelty thermometers in a sleazy hotel somewhere in Blackpool.
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:12 PM on November 9, 2006

yikes uburoivas! i'm gonna have nightmares for sure now.
very british night terrors
posted by nola at 8:15 PM on November 9, 2006

Nutritional info?
posted by mazola at 8:16 PM on November 9, 2006

memepool's Nov. 1 entry seems right about on topic. girls have lots of choices in how to dress up... Sexy nurse, sexy firefighter, sexy mental patient...
posted by anthill at 8:19 PM on November 9, 2006

I'm a pretty PC guy, and I'm fairly sensitive to feminist issues.

I could even live with the argument that this was childish and sexist.

But harming the nursing industry? When I watched a video about this on CNN earlier today, I really could not believe the woman they had on from this nursing association said that with a straight face.

Come on.
posted by teece at 8:19 PM on November 9, 2006

As a recent escapee of Tempe, Phoenix, and Arizona in general, all those suburban cowboy motherfuckers that line up at that place can have all the Bypass Burgers they can stuff in their fat, stupid faces.

Then they can find out just how sexy nurses can be while they're being catherized and prepped for open heart surgery.
posted by loquacious at 8:32 PM on November 9, 2006

Ever seen what somebody's chest looks like after a double bypass? It's a real hoot.
posted by 2sheets at 8:39 PM on November 9, 2006

Cheap meat kills.
posted by stbalbach at 8:40 PM on November 9, 2006

But harming the nursing industry?

The statement that the sexual fetishization of nurses is "harming the nursing industry" is actually a sound a valid argument. The objectification of women - or the exclusion or non acceptance of men - in any industry is harmful, but particularly in an industy where people's lives are actually on the line on a minute-by-minute-basis, and in an industry that is also woefully understaffed.

Whether or not some podunk little greasetrap of a restaurant is a valid target is much less likely, but it is doubtful that it is their only target.
posted by loquacious at 8:40 PM on November 9, 2006

Heh, I saw a woman in San Francisco wearing the outfit second from the left (striped like a peppermint) on Halloween. I was like "damn, that ain't no ameteur nurse!" It had the little cross symbols on the boots, even.

So about the thread, yeah, I'd eat there.
posted by zekinskia at 8:49 PM on November 9, 2006

That is perhaps the most enticing form of suicide available. It should be illegal simply because it is too irresistable for American men to pass by. Right now I'm feeling both hunger and guilt... for being hungry. Damnation!
posted by NeoSpud at 8:53 PM on November 9, 2006

The statement that the sexual fetishization of nurses is "harming the nursing industry" is actually a sound a valid argument. The objectification of women - or the exclusion or non acceptance of men - in any industry is harmful, but particularly in an industy where people's lives are actually on the line on a minute-by-minute-basis, and in an industry that is also woefully understaffed.

Sure, it's valid. But there's so much more that hurts the nursing profession worse than this restaurant (or the sexist attitude) that it's a pity we're wasting time on it. Other than teachers, I don't know of a profession as important to every single one of us that gets such little respect.

And from the site it looks like the cooks dress as surgeons. I don't see the AMA bitching about this.
posted by nyxxxx

Well, when you're getting paid 6-7 figures you tend to let these things roll off your back. Bad comparison.
posted by justgary at 8:55 PM on November 9, 2006

On a relate note, I've heard that the Firefigters Association is upset with many local strip clubs. Apparently it has something to do with tarnishing the reputation of people who use brass polls professionally.
posted by quin at 9:05 PM on November 9, 2006

Is this harming the public safety industry?

Seriously, I think it might be true that the sexual fetishization of nurses is "harming the nursing industry", but it doesn't seem prima facie true.
posted by owhydididoit at 9:19 PM on November 9, 2006

sorry, that link might be NSFW.
posted by owhydididoit at 9:20 PM on November 9, 2006

I'm not going to say anything about the real issue here...I'd rather not get involved.

I am, though, going to say the allegation that the Grill threatened to turn a firehose on any real nurses that protested outside is funny on several levels.

I'm not saying it's not outrageous or anything, btw. Just funny.
posted by pinespree at 9:25 PM on November 9, 2006

Just in case you've missed the 5 greenlit threads about this place at Fark recently....
posted by drstein at 9:48 PM on November 9, 2006

lisalisa123 : "fuck men, i'm sick of them. why can't they grow the fuck up?"

They are grown up. That's how adult men act. I think you meant "fuck men, i'm sick of them. why can't they act the way i want them to act?", in which case the appropriate rejoinder is usually "fuck women, i'm sick of them. why can't they act the way i want them to act?"

To which I say, "Fuck people who don't act the way that I want them to act. Why can't they act the way I want them to act?"
posted by Bugbread at 9:58 PM on November 9, 2006 [3 favorites]

...for example, by wearing sexy nurses' uniforms all the time.
posted by UbuRoivas at 10:14 PM on November 9, 2006

Creepy dudes need to eat too I guess.
posted by bardic at 10:33 PM on November 9, 2006 [1 favorite]

Regarding this establishment, mark me down as a registered nurse who is (a) not offended, (b) not concerned, and (c) NOT putting on that costume. But then, I have hairy legs and a beer gut.

Aw, shoot. There's probably some freaky fetish for fat, hairy male nurses already, isn't there... just don't call me "Focker." or Gaylord
posted by thatweirdguy2 at 10:45 PM on November 9, 2006

There's probably some freaky fetish for fat, hairy male nurses already, isn't there...

You bet your sweet, hairy ass darlin'!
posted by Pollomacho at 11:01 PM on November 9, 2006

Never mind that, the food looks great, anyway. Fresh chopped french fries fried in real lard? It doesn't get much better than that.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 11:49 PM on November 9, 2006

Ah I see, male sexual fantasies are inherently bad and dangerous.

Good to know.
posted by Jezztek at 12:06 AM on November 10, 2006

I've always had a sexy school teacher fantasy. I hope I'm not ruining the teaching industry!
posted by antifuse at 12:56 AM on November 10, 2006

How come, say, y2karl always gets hit with the accusation of ax-grinding, no matter how timely or relevant or underexposed the things he posts, yet SDB's latest salvo in his lifelong war against women sneaks in under the radar?

Man, I'm tired of this flabby bozo's endless, brokedick attempts to reinscribe male privilege by mocking anyone who pushes back against it even a little. Aren't you?
posted by adamgreenfield at 3:10 AM on November 10, 2006

Nurses are No. 1...in male sexual fantasies

What the fuck?

My girlfriend is a nurse and her NHS outfit is the very definition of esexual. Sexy nurse outfits only exist because the real nurses uniforms are not sexy in the slightest.

I have never understood the whole nurse-fetish. Maybe it's just because I don't enjoy being in hospital and know the reality of what nursing is like. Which is a big part of the reason I can appreciate why nurses would want to get rid of the fantasy. After a standard 12.5 hour shift on a cancer ward, taking care of people at their worst, my girlfriend barely has enough patience for me much less some random asshole on the street who's looking to satisfy some misguided fetish... It's an important job that is both physically and emotionally draining.

But yes, I don't think my girlfriend would necessarily call waitresses wearing sexy nurse outfits a priority concern at the moment.
posted by slimepuppy at 3:30 AM on November 10, 2006

oh shit, it's jek porkins.
posted by rxrfrx at 3:54 AM on November 10, 2006

slimepuppy - they're not fantasizing about the actual day-to-day activities of nurses, any more than women are fantasizing about getting 3rd degree burns and smoke inhalation when they dream of firemen.

That's why it's called 'fantasy'
posted by bashos_frog at 4:33 AM on November 10, 2006

I would eat at this restaurant under one condition, and one condition only: The burgers must be tasty. Because those lard-cooked fries look mighty tempting, but I don't think they're enough to lure me all the way to Arizona. If the burgers are really as good as they claim, then give me a double bypass, hold the onions, and I don't care who serves it to me or what they're dressed as.
posted by Faint of Butt at 4:38 AM on November 10, 2006

> Sexy nurse outfits only exist because the real nurses uniforms are not sexy in the slightest.

Ditto real nurses. I was talking to these folks' shrink the other night and he told me (in strictest confidence) that their real subconscious issue is they're pissed because nobody is fantasizing about them. Not to be wondered at, either. I work in a hospital and can tell you that, while student nurses look normal, vast numbers of registered nurses apparently get an extra 75 pounds of lard along with their certificate and you can't take one without the other. You should see 'em tanking up in the cafeteria, it's exactly as mind-boggling as the the two-legged beefalos in Arizona and their double-bypass burgers.
posted by jfuller at 4:54 AM on November 10, 2006

pretty PC guy?

what does that mean?
posted by micayetoca at 5:33 AM on November 10, 2006

Please tell me somebody's going to open one of these in NYC. Boobs, Beef & Beer, a match made in heaven.

fuck men, i'm sick of them. why can't they grow the fuck up?

take a pill. I got news for you. Men (straight ones, anyway) like looking at boobs, preferably which consuming alcohol and ideally while consuming fatty, salty food. This will never change. Deal with it.
posted by jonmc at 7:18 AM on November 10, 2006

The Center claims that 54% of British men have sexual fantasies about nurses

I claim that 54% of alarmist statistics are irrelevant due to poor phrasing of the surveys, omission of data, and so on.

To some men "sexual fantasies about nurses" means they'd cut themselves for the chance to score with a real nurse.

But to many, many more men, it means that hot women who dress up in "nurse uniforms" are hot. Duh.

The same (or higher) percent probably admit to fantasizing about female police officers, flight attendants, secretaries, schoolteachers, TV anchors, fast food employees, engineers, chimneysweeps, interior decorators, test pilots, librarians, architects, prison guards, welders, violinists, and zookeepers.
posted by Foosnark at 7:49 AM on November 10, 2006

The jokey, 'It's gonna kill you ha-ha-totally-serious,' is some kind of bizarre guilt manipulation game. Why can't I enjoy an occasional bacon cheeseburger without one side whining how bad it is for me and the other side gloatingly prodding me to exercise my God-given right to ruin my health?
posted by ardgedee at 7:52 AM on November 10, 2006

Men (straight ones, anyway) like looking at boobs, preferably which consuming alcohol and ideally while consuming fatty, salty food.

I know this place is right up you alley jon but there are plenty of straight men that love boobs, beer, and food that wouldn't step into this restaurant.
posted by justgary at 7:55 AM on November 10, 2006

Please tell me somebody's going to open one of these in NYC. Boobs, Beef & Beer, a match made in heaven.

Boobs, Beef & Beer is totally a kickass name for a restaurant of this type. And the slogan would totally be "A match made in heaven!" - I can see the menus already!
posted by antifuse at 7:58 AM on November 10, 2006

The same (or higher) percent probably admit to fantasizing about female police officers, flight attendants, secretaries, schoolteachers, TV anchors, fast food employees, engineers, chimneysweeps, interior decorators, test pilots, librarians, architects, prison guards, welders, violinists, and zookeepers.

But not web developers or computer programmers, sadly.
posted by jonmc at 8:24 AM on November 10, 2006

All those pics of nurses on the jobs page look like models for sexy nurse outfits you find all over the web.
posted by frecklefaerie at 8:43 AM on November 10, 2006

I don't know what I think about harming the nursing industry. On the one hand, I think that jesourie is completely right about there being more important things to worry about, but on the other hand, I think that loquaciuos is right about sexual fetishization being a real problem for nurses, and this contributing to it.

Nurses deal with a lot of sexual harrasment, from both doctors and patients, and they are continually undervalued for the work that they do. Doctor's handmaidens? I don't think so. Nursing is a highly technical job, but nurses' technical expertise is often completely overlooked. It is also an emotionally demanding job, but the emotional aspects are uncompensated for (they don't get paid for them) because caring comes 'naturally' to women, it isn't a real skill. Having nurse waitresses supports these sexist ideas: don't worry about the real work I am doing, fetishize me, sexualize me, ogle my body while ignoring or undervaluing my service.

So I guess I come down here: If there is a systemic disorder in the nursing profession, this Heart Attack Grill is not the cause, but it is a very powerful symptom. As in most things, treating the symptom is not the answer, but since it is easier/cheaper/yields more immediate results than treating the cause, that is probably what will be focused on.
posted by arcticwoman at 9:07 AM on November 10, 2006

The same (or higher) percent probably admit to fantasizing about female police officers, flight attendants, secretaries, schoolteachers, TV anchors, fast food employees, engineers, chimneysweeps, interior decorators, test pilots, librarians, architects, prison guards, welders, violinists, and zookeepers.

They're all hot, right?
posted by quite unimportant at 9:08 AM on November 10, 2006

don't worry about the real work I am doing, fetishize me, sexualize me, ogle my body while ignoring or undervaluing my service.

Do you know anyone willing to do that for a data entry clerk? Cause it would make the day go by faster.
posted by jonmc at 9:20 AM on November 10, 2006

I'm confused, jonmc, are you looking for a data-entry clerk or are you the clerk...? I can ogle you if you like, but you better check with your wife first.
posted by arcticwoman at 9:22 AM on November 10, 2006

I'm goofing around, arcticwoman. I'm just kind of amazed we're giving this rather pedestrian event such attention.
posted by jonmc at 9:25 AM on November 10, 2006

Isn't that what we do on Metafilter? Just as a general rule?

I do think that this particular event (the restaurant itself) is pedestrian, but it does represent an idea that is rather more important. I think the attention the Nursing Advocacy group is giving it might do themselves a disservice, though.
posted by arcticwoman at 9:30 AM on November 10, 2006

Eh, whenever we liberals get all agitated over some trivial thing like this, it gives the right fuel to paint us ass panicky schoolmarms. Let's not make it easy for them.
posted by jonmc at 9:56 AM on November 10, 2006

So I guess I come down here: If there is a systemic disorder in the nursing profession, this Heart Attack Grill is not the cause, but it is a very powerful symptom. As in most things, treating the symptom is not the answer, but since it is easier/cheaper/yields more immediate results than treating the cause, that is probably what will be focused on.

Exactly. These problems existed in nursing before this silly restaurant. Hopefully this will change with more males going into the profession, though it's pretty sad if that's the answer.

The restaurant is just too over the top to waste time on. Nurses don't dress like that, most don't look like that, and the majority of guys going to eat there don't go home to wives/gfs who look like that. It's fantasy off the charts.
posted by justgary at 9:59 AM on November 10, 2006

"They are grown up. That's how adult men act."

If men are so "grown-up" then why haven't they found themselves capable from moving on from their adolecent objectifying behavior and actually appreciate women as fellow human beings instead of outragously degrading them on a daily basis? It's drilled into me everyday that I'm not good enough because I have a feeling or emotion or even lack an ideal bra size or nose shape. I'm forever being invalidated because of these things, yet I do my best to ignore it because I know I'm better than that. No one has the balls to actually face true emotions and deal with them, so here I am, trying live honestly and find happiness in a world of assholes. I wish I was a stupid happy broad. It just gets to me sometimes.
posted by lisalisa123 at 10:04 AM on November 10, 2006

If men are so "grown-up" then why haven't they found themselves capable from moving on from their adolecent objectifying behavior and actually appreciate women as fellow human beings instead of outragously degrading them on a daily basis?

Because that behavior isn't adolescent. It's stupid, destructive, and arguably immoral, but it's not adolescent, and growing up doesn't end it.
posted by JekPorkins at 10:10 AM on November 10, 2006

If men are so "grown-up" then why haven't they found themselves capable from moving on from their adolecent objectifying behavior and actually appreciate women as fellow human beings instead of outragously degrading them on a daily basis?

"Appreciating women as fellow human beings," and "adolescent objectifying," are not neccessarily antagonistic concepts. I've appreciate the intellectual and emotional and social gifts the women I've known have given me, but at the same time I'm still a good old fashioned horndog. Thinking dirty thoughts about whatever blows your hair back isn't a bad thing. And while unrealistic body image is a concern to be sure, no matter what you look like, what gender you are, what your preferences, somebody is probably 'objectifying' you by thinking such things. Hell, in the right doses, objectification can be fun.
posted by jonmc at 10:20 AM on November 10, 2006

"It may be silly," Summers says, "but that kind of intense personal interaction is still likely to create a strong, lasting link in customers' minds between jiggly sex objects and nursing."

"jiggly sex objects" ... ha!
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 10:33 AM on November 10, 2006

As a recent escapee of Tempe, Phoenix, and Arizona in general, all those suburban cowboy motherfuckers that line up at that place can have all the Bypass Burgers they can stuff in their fat, stupid faces.
posted by loquacious at 8:32 PM PST on November 9

The worst part of this whole thing is that while their customers are eating overpriced gimmicks with cheap beef, America's best burger is like two blocks away.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 10:56 AM on November 10, 2006 [1 favorite]

This is a real threat to the nursing profession.
posted by Floydd at 11:00 AM on November 10, 2006

"because the real nurses uniforms are not sexy in the slightest. "

Actually, I think that a lot of nurses look fantastic in scrubs.

Now I want to visit this place just to see if the food is any good. I don't care about the staff - I have a girlfriend - I just love cheeseburgers.
posted by drstein at 11:04 AM on November 10, 2006

No, Optimus. America's best burger is here, see?
posted by jonmc at 11:04 AM on November 10, 2006

New Yorkers make burgers the way Arizonans make laws: sloppily and with a bunch of unnecessary shit inside.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 11:10 AM on November 10, 2006

Not these, trust me. Just plain old freshly ground beef, perfectly cooked. You can top it however you want. Last night, I had one with a fried egg, bacon, cheddar cheese and A1. There's an amazing Belgian-style fries place a few doors down, and a candy store that makes terrific egg creams a few blocks away. I don't know why they can't just merge and make my life easier.
posted by jonmc at 11:14 AM on November 10, 2006

jonmc: Fuck, yes, Paul's! Every Thursday my roommate and I would collect our checks (we were both working at the Strand) and head directly over to Paul's, where we would gorge ourselves on meat and milkshakes. I miss that place.
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 11:14 AM on November 10, 2006

That's what I want, jon. Hot, sexy, ass panicky schoolmarms!
posted by loquacious at 11:39 AM on November 10, 2006

awww, their favicon is a little hamburger . . . ..
posted by fourcheesemac at 11:45 AM on November 10, 2006

One thing I think is remarkable...

...this is the first restaurant webpage I've seen that's entertaining. That alone is an accomplishment.

It's a restaurant blog! I don't think I've ever seen anything like this before.

Well, there was a webcam at a Hooters once, I think.
posted by mmrtnt at 2:15 PM on November 10, 2006

I only wish that my profession was held in such high regard that practitioners of it were the subjects of widespread sexual fantasies.
posted by adamrice at 2:16 PM on November 10, 2006

That's what I want, jon. Hot, sexy, ass panicky schoolmarms!

Damn! Beat me to it.
posted by mmrtnt at 2:20 PM on November 10, 2006

I like food and I like sex. But they're not the same as chocolate and peanut butter, ya know? They don't blend. A great meal, then sex after you've done the dishes? Fine. Waking up after a 24-hour carnal binge, then going out for pancakes? Hell yes.

But I think 9 1/2 Weeks really screwed people up. All of a sudden you were a neanderthal if you never "tried" bringing a can of whipped-cream into your bedroom, or a bowl of strawberries or some such nastiness.

Yet another thing to blame Mickey Rourke for.
posted by bardic at 3:35 PM on November 10, 2006

I only wish that my profession was held in such high regard that practitioners of it were the subjects of widespread sexual fantasies.

As a pornstar myself, this statement make me all confused. And of course, erect.
posted by bardic at 3:36 PM on November 10, 2006

NO freezers, NO walk-in coolers, and NO heat lamps...That's why everyone says the Grill's got "Taste Worth Dying For®."

I know they're highlighting how fresh everything is, but this seems to provide more opportunities for killing people than the big burgers (or the site of hawt nurses).
posted by sharpener at 4:41 PM on November 10, 2006

And when I first read this, I missed the question mark:

fuck men, i'm sick of them. why can't they grow the fuck up? and fuck those girls who help further breed the stupidity by being part of a problem they're too young to understand or care about.

so I thought you were suggesting that men grow up and fuck the nurses. I guess that shows where my mind's at...
posted by sharpener at 4:43 PM on November 10, 2006

MetaFilter: I'm just kind of amazed we're giving this rather pedestrian event such attention.
posted by spoobnooble at 7:02 PM on November 10, 2006

This is a real threat to the nursing profession.

Holy shit, Floydd. You're right. There's not enough info there to determine the full truth, but initially it looks like bad news for nurses everywhere when local district attorneys can bring criminal charges against a nurse with a "perfect record" who made a horrid mistake in one case. One to keep an eye on, for sure.
posted by mediareport at 7:50 PM on November 10, 2006