Comments on: Election 08

Election 08

delmoi — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:26:26 -0800

Ready for '08? Survey USA is. They've done polls in all 50 states, with sixty different match ups. You can only view one paring for free, mine showed Condi Rice beating Barak Obama with something like 462 to 76. However, a large community site wouldn't have too much trouble iterating through all the options, at least that's what they figured at myDD. Of course, most of this is just name-ID at this point.

By: bardic

bardic — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:30:49 -0800

Russ Feingold isn't going to run, which is a shame.

By: jsteward

jsteward — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:32:00 -0800

Hillary Rodham Clinton 508 - Newt Gingrich 30

By: It's Raining Florence Henderson

It's Raining Florence Henderson — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:32:10 -0800

They have Rudy beating Hillary 354 to 184.

By: Richard Daly

Richard Daly — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:44:19 -0800

Wesley Clark 9 - John McCain 529 Why do the Republicans have such superior name recognition?

By: jonp72

jonp72 — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:45:05 -0800

You can only view one paring for free, mine showed Condi Rice beating Barak Obama with something like 462 to 76. This result may be more the result of name recognition than anything else. The less politically attuned might be thinking "Barak? That's that crazy guy from Kazakhstan, right?" Or "Obama? He's not related to that Bin Laden guy, is he?"

By: davejay

davejay — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:47:34 -0800

The thing about this I find interesting is that, unlike most mashups of information and online media, they have found a way to monetize it. Web 2.1!

By: mistermoore

mistermoore — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:49:39 -0800

"Of course, even then, we wouldn't get to see all of the results in each state for each of the 60 matchups, so this would be a poor substitute. Really, if you want all the information, go to Survey USA and buy a subscription. Here is a teaser: FDR beats Reagan 438-100!"

By: I Am Not a Lobster

I Am Not a Lobster — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:50:19 -0800

Superman 533, Batman 102. He's like, basically invincible.

By: yeti

yeti — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:53:05 -0800

Giuliani beating Hillary 354-184? No way. The news said today they'd tie 46% to 46% [last sentence].

By: Arcaz Ino

Arcaz Ino — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:57:52 -0800

Why do the Republicans have such superior name recognition? Stalin 574 - Brezhnev 3

By: bardic

bardic — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:05:50 -0800

The only downside to the recent Dem victories is the fact that Hillary Clinton feels emboldened, if not downright entitled, to the Dem nomination for 2008.

By: Gary

Gary — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:07:04 -0800

FDR beats Reagan 430-108 Giuliani beats Obama 510-28 Giuliani beats Clark 529-9 McCain beats Clark 529-9 McCain beats Hillary 351-187 Edwards sweeps Gingrich 538-0 So far the Democrats are only ahead if the Republicans run Gingrich or the Democrats build a time machine. CCleaner beats annoying website restrictions: 511-27

By: veggieboy

veggieboy — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:09:43 -0800

Dewey defeats Truman

By: Infinite Jest

Infinite Jest — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:11:06 -0800

McCain 510 Obama 28 Obama takes IL, DC and Hawaii. Seems kinda fishy to me (a non-American). Isn't Hawaii Republican-leaning?

By: Derek

Derek — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:16:24 -0800

McCain beats Al Gore 377 - 161

By: Richard Daly

Richard Daly — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:17:07 -0800

Obama was born in Hawaii.

By: drjimmy11

drjimmy11 — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:20:17 -0800

This is all interesting in some way, but fairly silly. I can't envision any scenario where the democrats lose CA and NY, for example. it's just not going to happen in real life. In fact, I have a hard time picturing it not coming down to OH and FL, just like the last two times. if the democrat wins one of those, s/he wins.

By: matteo

matteo — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:21:20 -0800

Lamont beats Lieberman no, I'm kidding

By: drjimmy11

drjimmy11 — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:22:44 -0800

Also, Hawaii is fairly democratic- the Democratic senator won with something like 63% of the vote. But the idea of a demorat, any democrat, losing Massachussets, just to name one example, is absurd.

By: unmake

unmake — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:27:02 -0800

Do the Dems just not have any viable candidates, or is a Republican president especially favored, now that they've lost control of Congress - and how come the Republican slate changes depending on the Democratic challenger?

By: spiderwire

spiderwire — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:29:55 -0800

Somehow I'm not surprised that Barak doesn't have a lot of traction in the US. Me, I thought he was Cardassian. Shows you what I know.

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:30:39 -0800

"Giuliani beating Hillary 354-184? No way. The news said today they'd tie 46% to 46%" Well, sure, but popular vote percentage isn't necessarily related to electoral vote tally, as we well remember.

By: spiderwire

spiderwire — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:32:45 -0800

Oh, I misread, clearly as far as paring everyone knows that Condi is a better cook. Come to think of it, I think all elections should be held Iron Chef style. Tonight's ingredient--immigration! Ooh, that's Iron Chef Rice's specialty. Mmmm. Rice.

By: docgonzo

docgonzo — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:32:47 -0800

Giuliani beating Hillary 354-184? No way. The news said today they'd tie 46% to 46% [last sentence]. Note these are Electoral College results which do not exactly equate to popular vote totals. As we've all learned the very, very, very hard way.

By: Artw

Artw — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:33:56 -0800

Superman 533, Batman 102. He's like, basically invincible. Well that's just plain wrong. BATMAN ALWAYS WINS.

By: borkencode

borkencode — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:35:51 -0800

Veggieboy stole my joke, but Al Gore beats Jeb Bush 517 -21.

By: spiderwire

spiderwire — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:36:43 -0800

Superman 533, Batman 102. ... BATMAN ALWAYS WINS. Batman cheats. That's why he has to fake a heart attack. Good god, how do you think we ended up with 635 electoral votes?

By: mistermoore

mistermoore — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:37:15 -0800

"Isn't Hawaii Republican-leaning?" No, it's not. Senators Akaka and Inouye and Representatives Abercrombie and Case are all Democrats.

By: SmileyChewtrain

SmileyChewtrain — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:48:51 -0800

Rudy Giuliani beats Joe Biden... 532 to 6. Biden basically gets... Delaware. Go Delaware!

By: Phantast

Phantast — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:52:04 -0800

Does anybody beat McCain? This is what I'm afraid of. McCain just called for more troops in Iraq. He's a Goldwater hawk, always was. But the myth of integrity will soon wear thin... wear thin I tell ya'.

By: aaronetc

aaronetc — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:21:29 -0800

I'm honestly shocked that SurveyUSA would've wasted this kind of money right around election time. Granted that they're using this as a promotion to draw in subscribers, but this thing has got to have the worst signal to noise ratio of any dataset in the history of modern polling.

By: psmealey

psmealey — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:51:56 -0800

Giuliani, Rice, Hillary, McCain, Gingrich... Man I better get on the stick and start enjoying this Democratic mid-term victory, because if those represent some of the choices we are all going to have make in 2008, my brothers and sisters, we are all fucked. You'd think in a nation of 300 million we could find at least two candidates who weren't totally nauseating lightweight liars.

By: matkline

matkline — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:03:25 -0800

Evan Bayh 14, John McCain 524. This is way off.

By: matkline

matkline — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:05:06 -0800

Also, any calculation involving Obama forgets his middle name is Hussein, which could be used against him devastatingly in my opinion.

By: bardic

bardic — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:21:22 -0800

The crazy thing about McCain is how much he is loathed and absolutely hated by the wing-nuts. From my perspective, he's the ultimate Bush toadie, with a lil' patina of respectability due to his military service and the torture he endured. But seriously, go look up his name at LGF or Freep, or even a more (ahem) respectable place like NRO -- he's a small cut below Hillary Clinton in terms of contemptability from the right, due to the perception that he's "bi-partisan" in working with Dem politicians on occasion. Even with one of the most conservative voting records ever in the Senate. I think it's truly bizarre myself, but I'm glad he's running if only to contribute to the bloodbath that will be the Republican nomination process for 2008. Brownback and (hopefully) Santorum attacking McCain and Giuliani for being homo-lovers, Frist attacking McCain for being too (lol) librul, etc. It's gonna be fun.

By: Infinite Jest

Infinite Jest — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:38:55 -0800

mistermoore: No, it's not. Senators Akaka and Inouye and Representatives Abercrombie and Case are all Democrats. And I see that Kerry won it in '04. Funny, my memory was totally the other way. Note to self: before making random comments on MeFi, do at least some basic fact checking....Can I use "I'm at work and not American" as an excuse? Thanks for the correction, anyway. DrJimmy said what I was trying to say, better.

By: ed

ed — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:49:58 -0800

Condi Rice taking California against Obama? I call bullshit.

By: Benny Andajetz

Benny Andajetz — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:04:15 -0800

The site says all the polls were done last July. A lot has changed since then, and a lot can happen in the next two years - especially if the Dems comport themselves well.

By: darkstar

darkstar — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:06:04 -0800

Al Gore beats Mitt Romney like a rented mule, 526 to 12!

By: mistermoore

mistermoore — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:23:19 -0800

Infinite Jest: I'm from HI and would be *pissed* if it'd changed so much since I left.

By: George_Spiggott

George_Spiggott — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:32:41 -0800

How do you suppose William Jefferson Clinton of Arkansas would have stacked up in November 1990 against the incumbent president using this technique? You don't know what will happen once the campaign gets under way. Until then you can talk about name recognition all you want.

By: The God Complex

The God Complex — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:16:04 -0800

Wow, this thing is retarded.

By: Heminator

Heminator — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:31:56 -0800

If anyone is interested in the '08 race from the Republican side, I'll just go ahead and self-link...

By: moonbird

moonbird — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:45:58 -0800

Yeah, really incredibly off. As I posted in mydd, this does not account for the likely spoilage from the likely indy run of Bloomberg with the "Unity '08" ultracentrists.

By: bardic

bardic — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:56:20 -0800

Interesting piece Heminator. It'll be interesting to see how Romney does.

By: Pollomacho

Pollomacho — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:26:13 -0800

Romney beats Warner.

By: Joey Michaels

Joey Michaels — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:34:47 -0800

Rice beats Sharpton.

By: Alt F4

Alt F4 — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:43:21 -0800

Wow. Close. Your peanut butter is in my chocolate just edges out Your chocolate is in my peanut butter, 270 to 268.

By: nielm

nielm — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:12:56 -0800

You can only view one paring for free Unless you delete the Flash cookie and reload... Right-click->Settings, set local storage to 0 apply, reload at will to be able to set a new pairing, and deny any requests for the flash control to save stuff... Hillary beats Condi; Rock beats scissors

By: LordSludge

LordSludge — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:51:24 -0800

Giant Douche 1410, Turd Sandwich 36

By: Ynoxas

Ynoxas — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:39:31 -0800

Nominating Hillary is at this point the only non-viable strategy the dem's have. America is not ready for a female president, and certainly nowhere near ready for Hillary. Of course, if Hillary DID get nominated, the Republicans could make all the history they wanted. They could run a black, a jew, an 18th century vampire, or a glass of milk, and run away with the election over Hillary. Hillary has no support of any kind from the right, and only marginal support on the left. Her campaign will be dead before it starts. She should be satisfied being a multi-term senator from NY and retiring. And for those interested, I identify as a strong liberal, and I like Hillary. But she simply has no chance, and I cannot bear to watch the Democratic party throw away another election. My prediction: President Rudy in '08 by a modestly close popular vote but an electoral landslide, because he'll carry NY, TX, FL, and CA, getting him halfway there without very much effort. However, the big surprise will be pockets of blue in the heartland that have been missing for quite some time.

By: Megafly

Megafly — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:13:49 -0800

Hillary running for president would throw my vote to whoever was running against her. Her husband was a lying douchebag with a big heart. She is just a lying douchebag.

By: goethean

goethean — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:04:54 -0800

This is my favorite comment on Hillary so far.

This conservative obsession with Hillary is too intense and irrational to be anything other than a psycho-sexual manifestation of some deep conflict in the conservative unconscious mind. Oh, if only she were the nominee. What fevered fantasies. The Matriarch they love to hate. The national mother figure, as strong as any man. An object to roil the conservative mind into a boiling cauldron of conflicted emotions. Hillary the Madonna, Hillary the witch, with mysterious magical powers. A natural vessel to receive the deeply suppressed anger the against a society inexorably abandoning traditional values. The conservative male ideal of the strong father and nurturing mother giving way to the powerful, liberated feminist woman. Evil feminists, the emasculators, the dominators -- deeply frightening, but somehow strangely alluring. If only she were the nominee! aa P.S. Let the Cons continue their Hillary obsession -- encourage it -- and watch their heads explode when Barack gets the nomination.