Comments on: Velvet Underground Acetate Breaks Record

Velvet Underground Acetate Breaks Record

jonp72 — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:17:28 -0800

Record collector Warren Hill paid 75 cents at a yard sale in Chelsea, New York for an acetate in a plain cardboard sleeve. After some research, Hill's friends confirmed that the acetate disc, recorded by sound engineer Norman Dolph (who also wrote Reunion's "Life Is A Rock But The Radio Rolled Me"), was the third recording ever made by the Velvet Underground and the first album they ever did. A demo rejected by Columbia Records, the acetate is now up for auction on EBay, where the high bid is $124,640.50 and climbing, already breaking records as the most expensive LP ever sold at auction. (Bonus: see a post from a teenage eyewitness to the VU's 1966 session that produced this acetate.)

By: ericb

ericb — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:24:19 -0800

I love stories like this. Thanks for posting.

By: Ricky_gr10

Ricky_gr10 — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:32:01 -0800

Warren Hill was on the radio this morning in Montreal (CBC Radio 1), and he discussed (more like alluded to) previous attempts to sell the record. He's not getting his hopes up. Apparently, he met with lawyers for the Velvet Underground a few years ago--to discuss what, I'm not sure. In any event, we'll see what it finally sells for, and if he actually gets the money, this time.

By: wfc123

wfc123 — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:36:16 -0800

"lawyers for The Velvet Underground" Funniest thing I've read all day (still have not received toay's "The Fiver") from The Guardian online.

By: spock

spock — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:37:40 -0800

I don't think I would have offered this on an eBay public auction. Most of those bids are joke bids. Perhaps I would have identified serious vinyl collectors (via forums, etc.) and then offered it via a eBay private auction.

By: boo_radley

boo_radley — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:46:27 -0800

Wow, that's a great story. Part of me can't help but wonder... did he rip it to mp3? Or even listen to it?

By: matt_od

matt_od — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:54:25 -0800

boo - if you read the ebay posting you'll see that they made a high quality digital backup

By: MaxVonCretin

MaxVonCretin — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:05:49 -0800

Gotta wonder about some of those eBay bidders. One who bid nearly $125K earlier today spent Sunday on the prowl for a $4.99 Furby.

By: jonp72

jonp72 — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:06:54 -0800

This post at the WFMU blog has a link to a Zip file with mp3s from the acetate.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:22:16 -0800

All well and good, but does anybody have a torrent I can download?

By: mrgrimm

mrgrimm — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:29:54 -0800

Life is a Rock, but the Radio Rolled Me is a pop classic. Great stuff!

By: Ricky_gr10

Ricky_gr10 — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:33:53 -0800

The statement that they "made a high quality digital back-up copy of the material" directly contradicts what they said on the radio this morning. Warren or his friend, I forget which one, said that they only listened to part of the record for fear of damaging it. This is a strange inconsistency... or maybe it's nothing. Maybe they only listened to part of it, transferred it to another medium, and then listened to that?

By: boo_radley

boo_radley — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:37:37 -0800

Thanks for pointing that out, I missed it in the auction.

By: zsazsa

zsazsa — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:39:05 -0800

They could use a laser turntable to avoid wearing the acetate out.

By: meehawl

meehawl — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:39:25 -0800

Torrent

By: boo_radley

boo_radley — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:53:38 -0800

I guess I should clarify that I was asking not just in the "ZOMG TORRENT PLZ" sense (although I am happy that it's available), but to wonder if this is a case where the object is so precious and fragile that playback or even handling it would be too risky to consider from a collector's point of view. Trivia: I was first exposed to VU through a Sheep on Drugs cover of Waiting for the Man.

By: hal9k

hal9k — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:54:42 -0800

the acetate is now up for auction on EBay, where the high bid is $124,640.50 and climbing... I have a pair of brakes going out on an '88 Dodge Caravan that imitates (pitch-perfect) Reed's Metal Machine Music. Let's start the bidding at $25,000.

By: aubin

aubin — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:26:59 -0800

Warren or his friend, I forget which one, said that they only listened to part of the record for fear of damaging it. This is a strange inconsistency... or maybe it's nothing. There are no-contact players for records. They use lasers rather than needles and thus would not damage the vinyl. You can see one of them here.

By: delmoi

delmoi — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:32:27 -0800

Apparently, he met with lawyers for the Velvet Underground a few years ago--to discuss what, I'm not sure. In any event, we'll see what it finally sells for, and if he actually gets the money, this time. Right of first sale applies. They bought they disk and they own the physical copy of the disk. The music on the disk is still copyright the original artist, so the people who own the disk can sell or license copies. This has come up before with rare letters, and it happened to J.D. Salinger. An ex-girlfriend of his auctioned off the letters he wrote her, but she wasn’t allowed to publish them. The statement that they "made a high quality digital back-up copy of the material" directly contradicts what they said on the radio this morning. Warren or his friend, I forget which one, said that they only listened to part of the record for fear of damaging it. This is a strange inconsistency... or maybe it's nothing. If you look at the eBay auction, they list and describe the tracks, which I can't imagine they could have done if they hadn't listened to them. And if they listened to the whole disk, they probably would have recorded it.

By: klangklangston

klangklangston — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:44:15 -0800

Though this is cool as hell, I could swear it's a double. (Not enough to actually search for it, however). But yeah, this has been total fantasy material for every record geek I know since the news got out.

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:46:43 -0800

It's a quantum album. If you listen to it, you destroy it. You are not allowed to know if it is an actual album unless you listen to it. Therein lies the paradox.

By: mrbill

mrbill — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:30:17 -0800

For those of you who, like me, just downloaded the tracks from BitTorrent or wherever, ClickRepair 2 does an *excellent* job of making them much more pleasant to listen to.

By: haveanicesummer

haveanicesummer — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:46:07 -0800

Rumor has it that Schrödinger's cat was a ghost producer. That Warhol, always thinking!

By: Mikey-San

Mikey-San — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:53:32 -0800

There are "yards" in Chelsea?

By: ericb

ericb — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:01:27 -0800

There's the Chelsea Flea Market every weekend at 112 West 25th Street.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:51:52 -0800

Previously

By: Ricky_gr10

Ricky_gr10 — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:02:34 -0800

Ah, cool, thank you. In any event, I wish I could find a transcript of the radio appearance from this morning. Their assertion that they had not listened to the album was about as straightforward as it gets. It even elicited surprise from the host, and this did not prompt them to clarify their claim. This is an inconsequential fact, though--the story is interesting, and I hope they make a killing!

By: corianderstem

corianderstem — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:16:56 -0800

I find this whole VU acetate story interesting because I knew Norman Dolph quite well back in NYC. He rarely spoke about his involvement with the music business, let alone with Andy and the VU. But he lived quite close to the original Factory on 48th Street so he probably spent a few evenings there hobknobbing with Candy et al.

By: simonemarie

simonemarie — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:27:52 -0800

Wow, this is so funny. When I lived in Japan, a good Canadian friend of mine told me about her friend back home. He wasn't doing so well because he found this original unmarked Velvet Underground record at a yard sale... too many people knew about it, didn't know where he should keep it, and what the lawyers were going to do about it... We sat in a coffee shop and wished we could quit teaching English and hit a jackpot... Months later, here it is on MetaFilter!

By: alltomorrowsparties

alltomorrowsparties — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:15:10 -0800

Please santa, please....

By: Pollomacho

Pollomacho — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:45:58 -0800

Bonus: see a post from a teenage eyewitness to the VU's 1966 session that produced this acetate. I don't think a teenager could possibly have witnessed anything that happened in 1966. Anyone who was a witness would have to be at least 40 by now! /smartass Why would you auction something like this on e-bay? Wouldn't Sotheby's be a better place?

By: ericb

ericb — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:30:50 -0800

Wouldn't Sotheby's be a better place? Or, Christie's. However, both auction houses get a nice auction commission for all successful sales in one of their auction houses -- "a buyer's commission of 11% and a 9% seller's commission." Here's an interesting article on their own moves to online auctions in 1999 and another on their "rough transition online" with Sotheby's shutting down online auctions in May 2003.

By: ericb

ericb — Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:44:37 -0800

Velvet Underground Rarity Sells on eBay for $155,401.