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	<title>Comments on: You Don&apos;t Poop Where You Eat</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:06:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>You Don&apos;t Poop Where You Eat</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/12/03/national/a104909S79.DTL&amp;type=health"&gt;Taco Bell E. Coli Out break&lt;/a&gt; from... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/health/10475758/detail.html&quot;&gt;green onions?&lt;/a&gt; This is the second &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_North_American_E._coli_outbreak&quot;&gt; major outbreak of E. Coli from vegetables&lt;/a&gt; this year.

Where does E. Coli come from? &lt;a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Coli&quot; &quot;&gt;&quot;One of the root words of the family&apos;s scientific name, &quot;enteric&quot;, refers to the intestine, and is often used synonymously with &apos;fecal&apos;.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:05:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Astro Zombie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515954</link>	
		<description>Still, one of soul music&apos;s greatest instrumentals.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:06:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jonmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515958</link>	
		<description>I always figured Booker T &amp;amp; the MG&apos;s were behind this.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:13:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: StrasbourgSecaucus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515959</link>	
		<description>booker t is hot even if he gives me explosive diarrhea.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:13:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515962</link>	
		<description>Taco Bell recently got rid of trans fats, this will overshadow it, even though trans fats cause a lot more damage.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:15:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: clevershark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515965</link>	
		<description>Well people don&apos;t go to Taco Bell to give their digestive systems a break, do they? I always thought the purpose of that chain was that it would let you experience &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montezuma&apos;s_Revenge_(medicine)&quot;&gt;Montezuma&apos;s Revenge&lt;/a&gt; without leaving the comfort of your home.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:17:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mcstayinskool</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515969</link>	
		<description>Indeed, clevershark. After being doubled over for most of the afternoon following my last Taco Bell experience, I have instituted a &quot;No Taco Bell Ever Ever Ever Again&quot; policy that has been a great success.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:24:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Faint of Butt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515971</link>	
		<description>I remember there was another Tex-Mex chain that killed a few people with tainted green onions a few years back. Around Philadelphia, I think. Remind me?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:25:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: daninnj</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515973</link>	
		<description>Chi Chi&apos;s? It had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://pittsburgh.about.com/b/a/043691.htm&quot;&gt;Hepatisis&lt;/a&gt; outbreak.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:31:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amro</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515974</link>	
		<description>Faint of Butt: I think you&apos;re thinking of the hepatitis outbreak at Chi-Chi&apos;s restaurants a few years ago.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:31:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fenriq</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515977</link>	
		<description>And its already been traced back to a California farm. Luckily for me, I don&apos;t eat fast food anymore, or I haven&apos;t for almost four months (except for that one moment of weakness earlier this week and that was Wendy&apos;s anyway because I like fingers in my chili).</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:34:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Faint of Butt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515978</link>	
		<description>That&apos;s it, thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:34:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alvy Ampersand</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515981</link>	
		<description>Moral of the story: Stop eating vegetables.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:39:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: condour75</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515989</link>	
		<description>Well sure clevershark, but we taco bell fans expect our dysentery and/or cholera to come from tainted meat.  This whole vegetable thing has the stink of heavy-duty O. Henry class irony.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:51:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515992</link>	
		<description>Don&apos;t eat raw vegetables at fast food joints then. I&apos;ve never had a McDonald&apos;s salad.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:55:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Meatbomb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515994</link>	
		<description>Moral of the story: don&apos;t eat poop.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:56:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: StrasbourgSecaucus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515997</link>	
		<description>:9</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:58:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pax digita</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1515999</link>	
		<description>Dang.  I likes me Taco Bell hard-shelled tacos supreme.  Or should I say, &lt;i&gt;liked&lt;/i&gt;.  Sigh.  I hate feeling like I&apos;m rolling the dice every time I want to pig out.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:01:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jefgodesky</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516006</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/newsletters/vpmnews/may02/art2may.html&quot;&gt;Irrigation&lt;/a&gt;.

Take a look at what&apos;s going on along the &lt;a href=&quot;http://anthropik.com/2006/08/going-the-way-of-the-anasazi/&quot;&gt;Colorado River&lt;/a&gt;, and remember that &lt;em&gt;most&lt;/em&gt; of our vegetables are grown on huge, unsustainable, highly concentrated, monocultured farms that rely heavily on such irrigation, and it&apos;s not hard to figure out why everything has &lt;em&gt;E. coli&lt;/em&gt; all of a sudden.  This isn&apos;t a question of cleaning your vegetables; this is being absorbed into the plant itself.  This is the direct result of our reliance on &lt;a href=&quot;http://grist.org/comments/food/2006/09/21/E-coli/&quot;&gt;an industrial agricultural system&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:10:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: antifuse</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516012</link>	
		<description>Mmmmm... intestinal bacterial goodness.  Man, I haven&apos;t cleaned out the pipes in years!  I need to find me a Taco Bell.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:17:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: malaprohibita</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516013</link>	
		<description>My best friend just got food poisoning from a Taco Bell....  Yikes!</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:17:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Smedleyman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516019</link>	
		<description>I used to like the occasional cheap midnight eats at the Bell. And then  some years back something in the taste just sorta changed. I couldn&apos;t even stomach a basic bean burrito anymore. Around that time I heard that corn for non-human consumption was found in the tortillas, and other such things. I just stopped eating the stuff at all. Good timing I s&apos;pose.
We should be an animal with sense enough to disregard our own feces (to quote Jules).</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:21:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jefgodesky</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516030</link>	
		<description>Eating at a fast food chain or not doesn&apos;t make much of a difference when the source of the contamination is the fact that nearly all of the nation&apos;s vegetables are grown in the same concentrated area, fed by the same dirty irrigation water.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:35:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Confessor</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516031</link>	
		<description>Odd.

Infections propagated by restaurant food are obviously more notorious because a greater number of people are likely to be exposed to the tainted source, but is the restaurant supply chain objectively less secure than the grocery chain?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:35:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: selfmedicating</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516040</link>	
		<description>There was a problem with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marlerclark.com/news/firm86.htm&quot;&gt;e.coli in  green onions&lt;/a&gt; at a Chi-Chi&apos;s restaurant near Pittsburgh, PA, in 2003.

And the problem isn&apos;t the restaurant or the grocery store, it&apos;s the farm. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/10/13/MNG71LOT711.DTL&quot;&gt;There are cows nearby&lt;/a&gt;. Cows poop. 

Sometimes we see these outbreaks because of accidental contamination, or maybe because contaminated poop is used as fertilizer (as noted in jefgodesky&apos;s rather disturbing &lt;a href=&quot;http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/newsletters/vpmnews/may02/art2may.html&quot;&gt;link)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:46:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hermitosis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516049</link>	
		<description>I congratulate Taco Bell on their cute tailwind marketing tie-in to the &quot;Fast Food Nation&quot; movie!</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:52:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516056</link>	
		<description>Last night I raided the refrigerator for two carrots and a celery stalk -- that I was too tired and hungry to wash first. Should I now consider this act appallingly stupid or even an unconscious suicide attempt? 

By the way, about 10 years ago I read in a syndicated column, whose name and byline I can&apos;t recall now or I&apos;d simply link to it, that that covering the surface of the water with a layer or two of toilet paper cuts down on splashback, a phenomenon I find really yucky (especially when I&apos;ve already pissed into it). There&apos;s just something about knowing I have smelly bacteria on the outside of my butt, on the skin of my buttcheeks themselves, that bothers me to think about; sometimes I miss my childhood days when I&apos;d squat in somebody&apos;s bushes and squeeze out a loaf into their mulch, wiping my ass with whatever came to hand (including in one case a sock I then told my mother I&apos;d lost), because it felt so much cleaner that way, cleaner and more natural too like a creature of the forest (perhaps one of what the World Book Encyclopedia called &quot;Woodland Indians&quot; which after all comprises about one-eighth of my genetic material). Now I realize that according to Leviticus I should have carried a garden trowel with which to bury my fecal matter, but in my own defense I must say that I had but six years at the time and my theological studies had not yet finished with the Miracle of the Loaves And Fishes.

(Were I to go fuck myself I&apos;d want an enema and a shower first, and plenty of hand sanitizer.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:02:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516057</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://metatalk.metafilter.com/mefi/13242#365516&quot;&gt;&quot;MeTa.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:05:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ardgedee</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516074</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marlerclark.com/news/chichis28.htm&quot;&gt;Other uses of green onions&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://foodsafetynetwork.ca/fsnet/2003/11-2003/fsnet_nov_24.htm&quot;&gt;in &apos;Mexican&apos;-type fast-food and family-style restaurants.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:22:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: blue_beetle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516157</link>	
		<description>&quot;My friends all got food poisoning at Taco Bell, and all I got was this lousy vomit-soaked T-Shirt&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:11:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ninjew</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516177</link>	
		<description>Someone gets a raving case of diarrhea from eating a $.89 taco.  Film at 11.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:36:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrbill</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516186</link>	
		<description>The wife and I figured that Taco Bells are going to be the cleanest restaraunt around for the next few weeks.  Went there at 3am last night, no gastrointestinal problems so far.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:43:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kid Charlemagne</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/56803/You-Dont-Poop-Where-You-Eat#1516257</link>	
		<description>Something that no one seems to ever mention (or explain) in these discussions.

It isn&apos;t E. coli that causes these issues.  E. coli (for the most part) is not a pathogen.  It is a symbiont organism that helps you digest your food, tends to keep less benign organisms from flourishing in your digestive tract and produces vitamin A.

The problem child is the strain O157:H7 which produces a toxin similar to that of Shigella dysenteriae, from which it probably picked up the trick via a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sci.uidaho.edu/biosci/CRePE/project2.html&quot;&gt;plasmid&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem, for you and me at least, is that cattle and deer can have a gut full of the stuff and not be bothered.  This is why ground beef used to be the most common vector.  It has been demonstrated that soil mixed with manure can harbor O157 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=127522&amp;tools=bot&quot;&gt;for the better part of a growing season&lt;/a&gt; and that about 13% of cattle, whether grass fed or lot fed, are carriers.

Take home message: As far as E. coli infection goes, it doesn&apos;t matter how many times the guy at Taco Bell washes his hands.</description>
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		<title>By: darksasami</title>
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		<description>I blame the Japanese. At least two anime series I have seen refer to the folk remedy of anal insertion of green onions to cure fever. So there you are.</description>
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