O'Reilly pwned by a little girl?
December 7, 2006 2:30 PM Subscribe
Bill O'Reilly respondsYouTube to a 8 year oldYouTube (though he leaves out her saying "that idiot O'Reilly"). Bill and his "expert" Wendy Murphy (who claims that the ACLU supports child sex abuse) agree that the girl's performance is child abuse - "the ultimate inhumane treatment of a child". Murphy goes on to highlight the danger possibility of "some [religious] nut [who] wants to hunt this family down." The many comments at YouTube illustrate this point – while some are supportive, others call her a slut, and Tanzman6 (who has belonged to Right to Life and Peer Ministry clubs) says
"This little chink should shut the fuck up. We should have killed her parents in Viet Nam when we had the fucking chance. Burn the bitch."While the child obviously had help with her material, is O'Reilly right that statements like "religion has caused the genocide of nations" is propaganda about which she understands nothing? Even after considering that she is Lakota (Sioux) and probably related to Greg Zephier, an American Indian Movement Leader? [most material taken from Jesus's General]
Transcript? I really don't want to have to look at the guy.
posted by Artw at 2:35 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by Artw at 2:35 PM on December 7, 2006
While the child obviously had help with her material, is O'Reilly right that statements like "religion has caused the genocide of nations" is propaganda about which she understands nothing? Even after considering that she is Lakota (Sioux) and probably related to Greg Zephier, an American Indian Movement Leader?
Looks like someone's already made up their mind.
Who the fuck cares if she's related to Greg Zephier? I mean, I think the AIM is great and everything, but they're sure as hell not going to provide the child with a well-rounded perspective on things. Even if it's true, what the AIM spouts is propaganda.
You think religion caused the genocide of [insert native people here]? I think it's because of statism and capitalism. I can demonstrate why; can you show me a non-puerile argument that it was because of religion?
posted by nasreddin at 2:39 PM on December 7, 2006
Looks like someone's already made up their mind.
Who the fuck cares if she's related to Greg Zephier? I mean, I think the AIM is great and everything, but they're sure as hell not going to provide the child with a well-rounded perspective on things. Even if it's true, what the AIM spouts is propaganda.
You think religion caused the genocide of [insert native people here]? I think it's because of statism and capitalism. I can demonstrate why; can you show me a non-puerile argument that it was because of religion?
posted by nasreddin at 2:39 PM on December 7, 2006
I keep waiting for the girl to comment on how tasty Welch's Grape Juice is.
posted by jeremy b at 2:44 PM on December 7, 2006 [5 favorites]
posted by jeremy b at 2:44 PM on December 7, 2006 [5 favorites]
Alright, but you gotta love how the expert's main concern about the girl criticising the Republican party is that 'some nut' is going to want to hunt down and kill her and her parents for doing so. That says a *whole* lot.
posted by Flashman at 2:45 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by Flashman at 2:45 PM on December 7, 2006
nasreddin - Nationalism and capitalism might be to blame, but it's often hard to untangle them from religion (See: The crusades, pretty much every religious conflict since) . At the very least you've got to admit it makes a bloody good excuse for taking a swing at someone.
posted by Artw at 2:46 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by Artw at 2:46 PM on December 7, 2006
I kind of feel eight year olds shouldn't pick on Bill: he's too easy a target.
posted by rhymer at 2:48 PM on December 7, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by rhymer at 2:48 PM on December 7, 2006 [1 favorite]
"This little chink should shut the fuck up. We should have killed her parents in Viet Nam when we had the fucking chance. Burn the bitch."
Alright, but you gotta love how the expert's main concern about the girl criticising the Republican party is that 'some nut' is going to want to hunt down and kill her and her parents for doing so. That says a *whole* lot.
What an interesting time it is in which we live. We have become such a divided nation.
posted by ericb at 2:51 PM on December 7, 2006
Alright, but you gotta love how the expert's main concern about the girl criticising the Republican party is that 'some nut' is going to want to hunt down and kill her and her parents for doing so. That says a *whole* lot.
What an interesting time it is in which we live. We have become such a divided nation.
posted by ericb at 2:51 PM on December 7, 2006
the Republican party is that 'some nutcases.'
the Republican party is that 'some nut' is going to want to hunt down and kill her and her parents for doing so.
#INCLUDE Rant.h
#DEFINE SOME_NUT Bill O'Reilly
F5
posted by IronLizard at 2:51 PM on December 7, 2006
the Republican party is that 'some nut' is going to want to hunt down and kill her and her parents for doing so.
#INCLUDE Rant.h
#DEFINE SOME_NUT Bill O'Reilly
F5
posted by IronLizard at 2:51 PM on December 7, 2006
Argh, that girl is so annoying.
posted by thirteenkiller at 2:53 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by thirteenkiller at 2:53 PM on December 7, 2006
nasreddin writes "You think religion caused the genocide of [insert native people here]? I think it's because of statism and capitalism."
A lot of the atrocities committed by religion happened when the government and religion were one and the same, so claiming statism still points back to religion. I'd also venture to say that many of the historical acts of genocide predate capitalism.
posted by mullingitover at 2:53 PM on December 7, 2006
A lot of the atrocities committed by religion happened when the government and religion were one and the same, so claiming statism still points back to religion. I'd also venture to say that many of the historical acts of genocide predate capitalism.
posted by mullingitover at 2:53 PM on December 7, 2006
This a recycled tactic. When ever the right has thoroughly fucked up everything their media find some tangential nobody left-wing pseudo-"fascist" or addle brained celeb talking out of their ass to distract their mouth-breathing constituency and soak up bandwidth.
Heaven forbid we talk about the immoral war they picked, and, as we all know now, predictably FUCKING LOST.
No. Let's talk about some histrionic idiot with dreadlocks ranting about killing all the White Men at some shit-hole community college.
Or let’s waste time debating about some moron's kid coached into making a cutesy left-wing rant video.
Yeah. THAT's important. Those people really effect the world...
Like waaaay more than the trillion dollar war we are losing. Like more than the hundred of thousand innocent human beings we murdered perpetrating said war.
All because too many dip shits listen to people like O'Rielly and Sean Hannity.
Congratulations for joining the battle against this insidiously evil 8 year old. She must be stopped. Or supported vociferously. Whichever.
posted by tkchrist at 2:55 PM on December 7, 2006 [7 favorites]
Heaven forbid we talk about the immoral war they picked, and, as we all know now, predictably FUCKING LOST.
No. Let's talk about some histrionic idiot with dreadlocks ranting about killing all the White Men at some shit-hole community college.
Or let’s waste time debating about some moron's kid coached into making a cutesy left-wing rant video.
Yeah. THAT's important. Those people really effect the world...
Like waaaay more than the trillion dollar war we are losing. Like more than the hundred of thousand innocent human beings we murdered perpetrating said war.
All because too many dip shits listen to people like O'Rielly and Sean Hannity.
Congratulations for joining the battle against this insidiously evil 8 year old. She must be stopped. Or supported vociferously. Whichever.
posted by tkchrist at 2:55 PM on December 7, 2006 [7 favorites]
Errrr, we won the original war, it's the occupation we're losing. Which is, I suppose, now a guerrilla war.
Nevermind.
posted by IronLizard at 2:58 PM on December 7, 2006
Nevermind.
posted by IronLizard at 2:58 PM on December 7, 2006
tkchrist writes "Congratulations for joining the battle against this insidiously evil 8 year old. She must be stopped. Or supported vociferously. Whichever."
Quit trying to derail, this is serious business!
posted by mullingitover at 2:59 PM on December 7, 2006
Quit trying to derail, this is serious business!
posted by mullingitover at 2:59 PM on December 7, 2006
i'm glad to see that bill o'reilly has finally found an opponent who is equally matched with him in intelligence and maturity ...
posted by pyramid termite at 3:00 PM on December 7, 2006 [4 favorites]
posted by pyramid termite at 3:00 PM on December 7, 2006 [4 favorites]
Okay, so the O'Reilly clip was so pathetic I couldn't watch the whole thing (the sighing tones, the obvious edits, the "too vile to repeat", the child abuse/child sex obsessions, that creepy psycho-eyed 'expert', etc).
But I couldn't help at chuckle when he had the "Rise of the Machines" graphic. Anyone besides me reminded of the Old Glory Robot Insurance skit from Saturday Night Live?
posted by hincandenza at 3:03 PM on December 7, 2006
But I couldn't help at chuckle when he had the "Rise of the Machines" graphic. Anyone besides me reminded of the Old Glory Robot Insurance skit from Saturday Night Live?
posted by hincandenza at 3:03 PM on December 7, 2006
Sorry, it's not the kid who's annoying, it's the video editing.
posted by thirteenkiller at 3:03 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by thirteenkiller at 3:03 PM on December 7, 2006
You think religion caused the genocide of [insert native people here]? I think it's because of statism and capitalism. I can demonstrate why; can you show me a non-puerile argument that it was because of religion?
"Religion" has usually provided moral underpinnings of the rationalizations used to push off and ultimately decimate indigenous populations by the assertion that [insert native people here] were savages and needed "saving".
posted by Artful Codger at 3:04 PM on December 7, 2006
"Religion" has usually provided moral underpinnings of the rationalizations used to push off and ultimately decimate indigenous populations by the assertion that [insert native people here] were savages and needed "saving".
posted by Artful Codger at 3:04 PM on December 7, 2006
Can we do the atheists-cause-genocide derail next? I like that one.
posted by Artw at 3:05 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by Artw at 3:05 PM on December 7, 2006
You think religion caused the genocide of [insert native people here]? I think it's because of statism and capitalism. I can demonstrate why; can you show me a non-puerile argument that it was because of religion?
I think you could make a pretty good argument that statism and capitalism are the actual reasons for many conflicts. But I think you could also make a pretty good argument that religion is the way those interested in capitalism/statism manipulate the masses to go along with it. And, in modern America, nationalism and christianity are essentially the exact same thing in many cases.
posted by The God Complex at 3:08 PM on December 7, 2006
I think you could make a pretty good argument that statism and capitalism are the actual reasons for many conflicts. But I think you could also make a pretty good argument that religion is the way those interested in capitalism/statism manipulate the masses to go along with it. And, in modern America, nationalism and christianity are essentially the exact same thing in many cases.
posted by The God Complex at 3:08 PM on December 7, 2006
i love phrases like this one, in the post:
"While the child obviously had help with her material..."
but are you shitting me, how does O'Reilly get away introducing the segment with a picture of the Terminator and the phrase:
Impact segment tonight, we have been warning you that the rise of machines throughout the world has potential for great good and terrible evil..."
posted by phaedon at 3:09 PM on December 7, 2006
"While the child obviously had help with her material..."
but are you shitting me, how does O'Reilly get away introducing the segment with a picture of the Terminator and the phrase:
Impact segment tonight, we have been warning you that the rise of machines throughout the world has potential for great good and terrible evil..."
posted by phaedon at 3:09 PM on December 7, 2006
Sorry, it's not the kid who's annoying, it's the video editing.
It's both.
posted by chundo at 3:11 PM on December 7, 2006
It's both.
posted by chundo at 3:11 PM on December 7, 2006
Careful, well-constructed post about a silly child and a mindless scumbag.
posted by koeselitz at 3:13 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by koeselitz at 3:13 PM on December 7, 2006
I Want You To Snip Me
posted by InfidelZombie at 3:13 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by InfidelZombie at 3:13 PM on December 7, 2006
I remember reading James Michener's Centenial when I was about 10. There is a scene where a variety of Native Americans are slaughtered by U.S. troops, including children. When asked why they killed the children, one soldiers replies "nits make lice." To this day, that is the only part of the book I remember because it upset me so much.
Anyhow, the quote in the FPP made me think about that. I am sad that, in 2006, an adult would wish death on a child because of their beliefs or ethnicity.
Of course, I'm preaching to the converted here.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:14 PM on December 7, 2006
Anyhow, the quote in the FPP made me think about that. I am sad that, in 2006, an adult would wish death on a child because of their beliefs or ethnicity.
Of course, I'm preaching to the converted here.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:14 PM on December 7, 2006
Can we all just agree that from here on out, nothing O'Reilly says or does will be considered newsworthy in any medium, ever?
That would save alot of time.
THANKS
posted by Spacelegoman at 3:14 PM on December 7, 2006
That would save alot of time.
THANKS
posted by Spacelegoman at 3:14 PM on December 7, 2006
Bit yawn inducing. So why not choose a photogenic child... I mean.. was that a statement or something?
posted by econous at 3:16 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by econous at 3:16 PM on December 7, 2006
Only if the atheists cause genocide with circumcision and declawing cats while listening to Cheap Trick.
Thow in Stalin and it's a deal!
posted by Artw at 3:17 PM on December 7, 2006
Thow in Stalin and it's a deal!
posted by Artw at 3:17 PM on December 7, 2006
tkchrist - i think you're onto something there. These blowhards are really running short of things to bluster about. Since the war is a disaster and the GOP got ownxored this Fall, they gotta really reach for topics. 'THE PS3 is a menace! BLORKBLORKBLORK!"
MonkeySaltedNuts - Thanks for the post.
posted by EatTheWeek at 3:20 PM on December 7, 2006
MonkeySaltedNuts - Thanks for the post.
posted by EatTheWeek at 3:20 PM on December 7, 2006
I don't think this is "the worst kind" of child abuse as the pundit claims.
posted by effwerd at 3:20 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by effwerd at 3:20 PM on December 7, 2006
The Terminator pic was beyond satire. I mean, I know the Christians are waiting for Judgement Day, but that's just awesome.
posted by RokkitNite at 3:24 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by RokkitNite at 3:24 PM on December 7, 2006
On June 19, 2002, "Gaak" became the first robot in history to attempt escape. It broke out of its pen, navigated itself outside the building, crossed a parking lot, and was finally stopped just before it reached the street. Thus began the "Rise of the Machines."
posted by cribcage at 3:27 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by cribcage at 3:27 PM on December 7, 2006
Also, these folks trying to save souls in the YouTube thread are cracking my shit up. JuseNSheena is my favorite so far.
Again, God Bless you! Holy Father, please forgive him - for he knows not what he says.
I guess omnipotence would mean that God spots every single post on every single thread on every single page. God knows all the Chuck Norris jokes.
posted by EatTheWeek at 3:27 PM on December 7, 2006
Again, God Bless you! Holy Father, please forgive him - for he knows not what he says.
I guess omnipotence would mean that God spots every single post on every single thread on every single page. God knows all the Chuck Norris jokes.
posted by EatTheWeek at 3:27 PM on December 7, 2006
But I couldn't help at chuckle when he had the "Rise of the Machines" graphic. Anyone besides me reminded of the Old Glory Robot Insurance skit from Saturday Night Live?
This was actually my favorite nuance of this post. I never really thought about how O'Riley's demographic probably finds a common bond in technophobia.
The internet is tubes.
posted by thanatogenous at 3:28 PM on December 7, 2006
This was actually my favorite nuance of this post. I never really thought about how O'Riley's demographic probably finds a common bond in technophobia.
The internet is tubes.
posted by thanatogenous at 3:28 PM on December 7, 2006
Can we all just agree that from here on out, nothing O'Reilly says or does will be considered newsworthy in any medium, ever?
That would save alot of time.
THANKS
I don't know...next time he's involved in a sex scandal I think I'd really like to hear about it.
Barring that, I agree.
posted by SBMike at 3:28 PM on December 7, 2006
That would save alot of time.
THANKS
I don't know...next time he's involved in a sex scandal I think I'd really like to hear about it.
Barring that, I agree.
posted by SBMike at 3:28 PM on December 7, 2006
Can't wait for the cage match.
posted by kuujjuarapik at 3:38 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by kuujjuarapik at 3:38 PM on December 7, 2006
So why not choose a photogenic child
Prolly 'cause the person who shot the video has only one daughter to star in his "rant."
posted by ericb at 3:43 PM on December 7, 2006
Prolly 'cause the person who shot the video has only one daughter to star in his "rant."
posted by ericb at 3:43 PM on December 7, 2006
Nice to see it goes both ways. So you know how freaked out the lib'ruls get when someone posts a video from Podunktown, 'Mur-ka of a little kid who is just so precious going on and on about how they love Bush and people who are against Bush just hate America and freedom and real Americans support the troops and Bush and apple pie? And we're all "That's brainwashing! That's child abuse! It's so sick to see the parents feeding their kid that kind of thing! How unethical! I would never do that to my children!" But this little girl bashes O'Reilly, so she's now The Coolest Eight-Year-Old in the World.
Using children is fighting dirty, no matter what side you're on.
posted by Anonymous at 3:49 PM on December 7, 2006
Using children is fighting dirty, no matter what side you're on.
posted by Anonymous at 3:49 PM on December 7, 2006
Kid's say the darndest things!
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 3:53 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 3:53 PM on December 7, 2006
kids.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 3:54 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 3:54 PM on December 7, 2006
Argh, that girl is so annoying.
posted by thirteenkiller
holy crap , they all are. i wish we could put them all in a cage of rabid monkey weezles.
hey! bill O'really , little girl, STFU.
posted by nola at 4:01 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by thirteenkiller
holy crap , they all are. i wish we could put them all in a cage of rabid monkey weezles.
hey! bill O'really , little girl, STFU.
posted by nola at 4:01 PM on December 7, 2006
This is the funniest fucking thing in the world if you just replace the girl with Baby Jesus.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:02 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:02 PM on December 7, 2006
I thought the rand was 1) obviously scripted 2) a little shrill. I mean the "religion caused most of misery" in the world is really played out, and some of the other stuff was over the top.
That said I'm seriously amazed at some of the stuff people consider "child abuse" There was a metafilter thread about a video where kids say the 'seven dirty words' followed by 'evolution' and people on metafilter were claiming that it constituted child abuse. It was surreal.
There were people on metafilter who claimed that a 14 year old wasn't old enough to wonder around unaccompanied a few blocks on home in the thread about the teacher who ran over a group of siblings in the inner city. Again, completely crazy.
Of course, in Bill O'Riley's mind thinking anything liberal would probably be considered insanity, and thus shooting the video would be driving this kid insane. But as we all know, that's absurd.
Also, anyone who thinks this girl was dressed "suggestively" or "sexually" is a total pervert.
posted by delmoi at 4:04 PM on December 7, 2006
That said I'm seriously amazed at some of the stuff people consider "child abuse" There was a metafilter thread about a video where kids say the 'seven dirty words' followed by 'evolution' and people on metafilter were claiming that it constituted child abuse. It was surreal.
There were people on metafilter who claimed that a 14 year old wasn't old enough to wonder around unaccompanied a few blocks on home in the thread about the teacher who ran over a group of siblings in the inner city. Again, completely crazy.
Of course, in Bill O'Riley's mind thinking anything liberal would probably be considered insanity, and thus shooting the video would be driving this kid insane. But as we all know, that's absurd.
Also, anyone who thinks this girl was dressed "suggestively" or "sexually" is a total pervert.
posted by delmoi at 4:04 PM on December 7, 2006
At least the GOP has the God given good taste to have pretty children.
posted by econous at 4:06 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by econous at 4:06 PM on December 7, 2006
Haha, the "expert" says that merely using a child as propaganda is "abuse" I guess in her mind all child acting is abuse.
I like how they bleeped the word "ass" as well.
posted by delmoi at 4:08 PM on December 7, 2006
I like how they bleeped the word "ass" as well.
posted by delmoi at 4:08 PM on December 7, 2006
Replace child regurgitating liberal screed obviously written by evil leftie with child regurgitating Southern Baptist doctrine obviously written by God-fearing conservative Republican, and 100 bucks says she gets a live interview with the falafel king and Hannity.
posted by thatweirdguy2 at 4:10 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by thatweirdguy2 at 4:10 PM on December 7, 2006
hey delmoi maybe in your little liberal world "ass" is no big deal, but i'll have you know i was band from a local coffee emporium for calling the owner and ass. so think about that next time. wont you? words kill, delmoi, words kill.
and so does my grammer
posted by nola at 4:14 PM on December 7, 2006
and so does my grammer
posted by nola at 4:14 PM on December 7, 2006
"Using a child as a tool to promote propaganda ... that is the ultimate inhumane treatment of a child"
OK Bill, Wendy, and you legions of loyal sycophants, I'll let you guys pull that out here, but be aware, I'm going to be quoting it back to you the next time "won't someone please think of the children" is invoked.
You can't have it both ways, and it's time you learned it.
posted by quin at 4:23 PM on December 7, 2006
OK Bill, Wendy, and you legions of loyal sycophants, I'll let you guys pull that out here, but be aware, I'm going to be quoting it back to you the next time "won't someone please think of the children" is invoked.
You can't have it both ways, and it's time you learned it.
posted by quin at 4:23 PM on December 7, 2006
I think it's sad when parents encourage their kids to do this sort of thing. In the circles I travel in (conservative Catholics) you sometimes see it, and it always breaks my heart. That kind of precociousness (i.e., precociousness about political / religious / philosophical matters) is something that rarely if ever turns out well. Bright kids should direct their time and energy into learning math and science. Sound judgment in philosophy, politics and religion, just as Aristotle said, depends on having a wide range of experience of human affairs, which kids don't have yet. So what's the point of trotting them out to do these kinds of performances? It's creepy.
posted by peeping_Thomist at 4:26 PM on December 7, 2006 [2 favorites]
posted by peeping_Thomist at 4:26 PM on December 7, 2006 [2 favorites]
That was good for a few laughs. Bill, not the girl. He's OUTRAGED, I tell you!
posted by ColdChef at 4:27 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by ColdChef at 4:27 PM on December 7, 2006
Using a child as a tool to promote propaganda--political propaganda--about which the child understands nothing, I guarantee you a child of that age has no idea what she is saying. That is the ultimate inhumane treatment of a child.
Jesus Camp, anyone?
posted by quite unimportant at 4:34 PM on December 7, 2006
Jesus Camp, anyone?
posted by quite unimportant at 4:34 PM on December 7, 2006
Who the fsck cares what that douche O'Reilly says? what's he going to do, sic Fox security on the girl?
The average O'Reilly viewer has an IQ right around room temperature. In celsius. You can't be too surprised that some of them would leave ignoble comments in the YouTube thread.
posted by clevershark at 4:50 PM on December 7, 2006
The average O'Reilly viewer has an IQ right around room temperature. In celsius. You can't be too surprised that some of them would leave ignoble comments in the YouTube thread.
posted by clevershark at 4:50 PM on December 7, 2006
My boyfriend just told me he wants a DNA test on that kid because it's clearly his.
Though, I once told a minister that I wasn't playing with the other children at the picnic "because they're assholes" when I was several years younger than this one... so, a toss-up as to whose children would be "worse." :)
posted by bitter-girl.com at 5:05 PM on December 7, 2006
Though, I once told a minister that I wasn't playing with the other children at the picnic "because they're assholes" when I was several years younger than this one... so, a toss-up as to whose children would be "worse." :)
posted by bitter-girl.com at 5:05 PM on December 7, 2006
"Using a child as a tool to promote propaganda ... that is the ultimate inhumane treatment of a child"
You had to remind me of those coal ads, eh?
posted by Smart Dalek at 5:06 PM on December 7, 2006
You had to remind me of those coal ads, eh?
posted by Smart Dalek at 5:06 PM on December 7, 2006
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Provide me with videos of children swearing and I'm a happy man.
posted by Doublewhiskeycokenoice at 5:08 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by Doublewhiskeycokenoice at 5:08 PM on December 7, 2006
thatweirdguy2: Replace child regurgitating liberal screed obviously written by evil leftie with child regurgitating Southern Baptist doctrine obviously written by God-fearing conservative Republican, and 100 bucks says she gets a live interview with the falafel king and Hannity.
True enough. When it comes down to it, I think it's possible to make young children mindlessly parrot anything their parents say. Using little kids to engage in political debates is rarely anything more than emotional manipulation; they usually don't have the knowledge, perspective, or self-determination to contribute meaningfully to intellectual debate.
Although there are occasional exceptions.
posted by Mitrovarr at 5:09 PM on December 7, 2006
True enough. When it comes down to it, I think it's possible to make young children mindlessly parrot anything their parents say. Using little kids to engage in political debates is rarely anything more than emotional manipulation; they usually don't have the knowledge, perspective, or self-determination to contribute meaningfully to intellectual debate.
Although there are occasional exceptions.
posted by Mitrovarr at 5:09 PM on December 7, 2006
Doublewhiskeycokenoice writes "I've said it before and I'll say it again. Provide me with videos of children swearing and I'm a happy man."
Man, I still remember seeing the original "Spirit of Chirstmas" South Park short for the first time. I just watched it over and over again, my face shining with delight. Those little kids! They're swearing! Fat fuck!
posted by mr_roboto at 5:13 PM on December 7, 2006
Man, I still remember seeing the original "Spirit of Chirstmas" South Park short for the first time. I just watched it over and over again, my face shining with delight. Those little kids! They're swearing! Fat fuck!
posted by mr_roboto at 5:13 PM on December 7, 2006
Political Pornography featuring Bill & friends (slightly NSFW).
posted by clevershark at 5:23 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by clevershark at 5:23 PM on December 7, 2006
Also, anyone who thinks this girl was dressed "suggestively" or "sexually" is a total pervert
Those aren't the words I'd use, but "flamboyant" and "tramped up" do both come to mind.
I don't know why so many people are calling the kid super ugly, though. The kid looks like a kid to me.
posted by gurple at 5:25 PM on December 7, 2006
Those aren't the words I'd use, but "flamboyant" and "tramped up" do both come to mind.
I don't know why so many people are calling the kid super ugly, though. The kid looks like a kid to me.
posted by gurple at 5:25 PM on December 7, 2006
We have become such a divided nation.
Only because we're buying the illusion ideologues are trying to sell us. and buying it cheap.
posted by jonmc at 5:25 PM on December 7, 2006
Only because we're buying the illusion ideologues are trying to sell us. and buying it cheap.
posted by jonmc at 5:25 PM on December 7, 2006
I will add that I find adults who pick on kids utterly disgusting and disgraceful, so that guy should shut the fuck up.
posted by jonmc at 5:26 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by jonmc at 5:26 PM on December 7, 2006
I really like Bill O'Reilly.
I like pooping on his face.
What a blowponie that guy is.
Shouldn't these dripbags go after the racist twins?
It's funny to imagine what Bolly O'Lolly gets off on at the end of the day, not that that requires much work.
posted by squidfartz at 5:30 PM on December 7, 2006
I like pooping on his face.
What a blowponie that guy is.
Shouldn't these dripbags go after the racist twins?
It's funny to imagine what Bolly O'Lolly gets off on at the end of the day, not that that requires much work.
posted by squidfartz at 5:30 PM on December 7, 2006
So the music playing at the end was by a band called The Bastard Fairies. And the video was posted by username bastardfairies.
Did anybody else see the gorilla walk through?
The album is a free (as in beer) download, and the music is sort of a funky blend of Bjork, Dresden Dolls, and Tom Lehrer. Samples at their MySpace.
posted by dhartung at 6:04 PM on December 7, 2006
Did anybody else see the gorilla walk through?
The album is a free (as in beer) download, and the music is sort of a funky blend of Bjork, Dresden Dolls, and Tom Lehrer. Samples at their MySpace.
posted by dhartung at 6:04 PM on December 7, 2006
Oh. Um. Two of those links are PG-13 NSFW (for boobies).
posted by dhartung at 6:12 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by dhartung at 6:12 PM on December 7, 2006
That couple that does the Bastard Fairies stuff must be her parents.
She should have just quoted the lyrics from "We're All Going to Hell." It would have been funnier.
I wouldn't really be surprised if the little girl wrote that rant herself. It was about what I could have done in 2-3rd grade. It's also still true, of course.
(On preview: the boobies are (barely) covered, but yeah, probably NSFW.)
posted by mrgrimm at 6:18 PM on December 7, 2006
She should have just quoted the lyrics from "We're All Going to Hell." It would have been funnier.
I wouldn't really be surprised if the little girl wrote that rant herself. It was about what I could have done in 2-3rd grade. It's also still true, of course.
(On preview: the boobies are (barely) covered, but yeah, probably NSFW.)
posted by mrgrimm at 6:18 PM on December 7, 2006
Lancks & Limb are both older, hotter and more evil than you can imagine. Sanguine red rocks.
posted by econous at 6:53 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by econous at 6:53 PM on December 7, 2006
Within the fold of White Nationalist Rock, one of the only true alternatives to the corporate music and recording business ...
The RIAA took my baby away?
posted by mrgrimm at 7:04 PM on December 7, 2006
The RIAA took my baby away?
posted by mrgrimm at 7:04 PM on December 7, 2006
Lancks & Limb are both older, hotter and more evil than you can imagine.
I imagine them to be 14.
posted by mrgrimm at 7:04 PM on December 7, 2006
I imagine them to be 14.
posted by mrgrimm at 7:04 PM on December 7, 2006
#mrgrimm: That couple that does the Bastard Fairies stuff must be her parents.
It's possible that Yellow Thunder Woman (age 25) of the bastardfaries is her mother. My impression was that the girl was more distantaly related (a niece or further) but part of a larger family group of activists involved with AIM.
Given the amount of hate directed at the girl (at YouTube and at several right-wing sites) I think it would be irresponsible to track down her identity.
As to people in this thread saying that she is not photogenic (and other places saying she is ugly), I think you have a severe caucasian bias.
I found her quite cute and personable in her performance. And I'm sure she enjoyed making the outraged rant. I would guess her daily life is not a series of rants but she does occasionaly express strong opinions.
posted by MonkeySaltedNuts at 7:10 PM on December 7, 2006
It's possible that Yellow Thunder Woman (age 25) of the bastardfaries is her mother. My impression was that the girl was more distantaly related (a niece or further) but part of a larger family group of activists involved with AIM.
Given the amount of hate directed at the girl (at YouTube and at several right-wing sites) I think it would be irresponsible to track down her identity.
As to people in this thread saying that she is not photogenic (and other places saying she is ugly), I think you have a severe caucasian bias.
I found her quite cute and personable in her performance. And I'm sure she enjoyed making the outraged rant. I would guess her daily life is not a series of rants but she does occasionaly express strong opinions.
posted by MonkeySaltedNuts at 7:10 PM on December 7, 2006
Take ZeFrank and make him a different race, different sex and anout 18 years younger, and you have the Internet's Next Big Thing (tm).
posted by andreaazure at 7:20 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by andreaazure at 7:20 PM on December 7, 2006
MonkeySaltedNuts I find your obvious adoration a little worrying. Unless you are twelve or something. Or maybe just seriously unphotogenic.
posted by econous at 7:36 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by econous at 7:36 PM on December 7, 2006
Funny how O'Reilly's crew clipped the youtube segment to edit out the fact that it was going after him in the first place. Whomever wrote the script for the original youTube video really should have held off on the vulgarities. I've got nothing against swearing, but I'm pretty sure most conservative media hounds do. At least this gave something for everyone to get all worked up about. So it goes.
posted by mallopar at 7:38 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by mallopar at 7:38 PM on December 7, 2006
Bill O'Reilly has a smaller viewership than MetaFilter. He is regarded as an asshole by 294 million and regarded as worthy of attention by a mere 2 million of your population.
0.0006% of your population. Or is it 0.00006%? Either is so tiny that it gets difficult to tell the difference at a glance.
posted by five fresh fish at 7:38 PM on December 7, 2006
0.0006% of your population. Or is it 0.00006%? Either is so tiny that it gets difficult to tell the difference at a glance.
posted by five fresh fish at 7:38 PM on December 7, 2006
Does anybody else get a distinct Mark Foley vibe every time O'Reilly starts going off on "Megan's Law" & child rape?
posted by Tenuki at 7:46 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by Tenuki at 7:46 PM on December 7, 2006
five fresh fish writes "Bill O'Reilly has a smaller viewership than MetaFilter. He is regarded as an asshole by 294 million and regarded as worthy of attention by a mere 2 million of your population.
"0.0006% of your population. Or is it 0.00006%?"
0.6%, actually. You lost a few orders of magnitude, there.
posted by mr_roboto at 7:50 PM on December 7, 2006
"0.0006% of your population. Or is it 0.00006%?"
0.6%, actually. You lost a few orders of magnitude, there.
posted by mr_roboto at 7:50 PM on December 7, 2006
#econous: I find your obvious adoration a little worrying. Unless you are twelve or something.
Ok, if I think a little non-Caucasian girl is cute that means that I must be a sexual predator. Enter me into some secret government watch list because that means that I support terrorists.
posted by MonkeySaltedNuts at 8:30 PM on December 7, 2006
Ok, if I think a little non-Caucasian girl is cute that means that I must be a sexual predator. Enter me into some secret government watch list because that means that I support terrorists.
posted by MonkeySaltedNuts at 8:30 PM on December 7, 2006
Glad to hear that you are not unphotogenic. Now try to relax, leave the terrorists alone, and bath your nuts. Feel better? Good. Now learn something; when you only have maybe weeks to live you get a lot of wisdom - and guess what! A sense of humor comes free! But what would I know.. I only fuck hospice nurses. Those hoes always cry in the morning. Could it be my choice of radio station? Or that Ive been faking the whole 'Bald leukemia boy in a wheel chair' thing?
posted by econous at 8:57 PM on December 7, 2006
posted by econous at 8:57 PM on December 7, 2006
> atheists-cause-genocide derail next
Stalin? Ukraine?
posted by jkaczor at 9:03 PM on December 7, 2006
Stalin? Ukraine?
posted by jkaczor at 9:03 PM on December 7, 2006
Whomever wrote the script for the original youTube video really should have held off on the vulgarities.... At least this gave something for everyone to get all worked up about.
See my post for possible motivating factors. In other words, a shitstorm is good publicity.
I'm actually impressed that somebody finally hijacked the Billo Express for completely unrelated purposes.
Does anybody else get a distinct Mark Foley vibe every time O'Reilly starts going off on "Megan's Law" & child rape?
What weird vibe could Falafel Man possibly give you?
posted by dhartung at 9:29 PM on December 7, 2006
See my post for possible motivating factors. In other words, a shitstorm is good publicity.
I'm actually impressed that somebody finally hijacked the Billo Express for completely unrelated purposes.
Does anybody else get a distinct Mark Foley vibe every time O'Reilly starts going off on "Megan's Law" & child rape?
What weird vibe could Falafel Man possibly give you?
posted by dhartung at 9:29 PM on December 7, 2006
She is a cute kid, and does understand what she's saying (or else her intonation would be all off).
Sure, she probably was not raised in the most conservative or religious family, but kids are very politically aware, all the more so when politics directly effect their lives. When I was her age, my favorite comedy show was political satire, and just about the same time, I was arguing about communism with my friend. We were both influenced strongly by our parents (my mother is a Christian socialist, her father was giving her Ayn Rand to read), but our thoughts were our own.
posted by jb at 4:01 AM on December 8, 2006
Sure, she probably was not raised in the most conservative or religious family, but kids are very politically aware, all the more so when politics directly effect their lives. When I was her age, my favorite comedy show was political satire, and just about the same time, I was arguing about communism with my friend. We were both influenced strongly by our parents (my mother is a Christian socialist, her father was giving her Ayn Rand to read), but our thoughts were our own.
posted by jb at 4:01 AM on December 8, 2006
Yes, she's cute. And her video creeps me out the same way as those glamour shots of Jon Benet Ramsey...something about making children display grownup markers at an inappropriate age.
posted by klarck at 4:36 AM on December 8, 2006
posted by klarck at 4:36 AM on December 8, 2006
God knows all the Chuck Norris jokes.
posted by EatTheWeak
Wait, aren't they the same entity?
While the child obviously had help with her material
What, and O'Really the Falafel King doesn't?
statements like "blah...blah...blah" is propaganda about which he understands nothing?
There, fixed it. You now have the foundation of O'Really's existence.
Pointing fingers at a little girl, are we Bill? We know how much you like young females! Your lust for them has already cost you millions. Why not go into treatment, it's cheaper. Was it the outfit that did ti Bill? Huh?
posted by nofundy at 6:52 AM on December 8, 2006
posted by EatTheWeak
Wait, aren't they the same entity?
While the child obviously had help with her material
What, and O'Really the Falafel King doesn't?
statements like "blah...blah...blah" is propaganda about which he understands nothing?
There, fixed it. You now have the foundation of O'Really's existence.
Pointing fingers at a little girl, are we Bill? We know how much you like young females! Your lust for them has already cost you millions. Why not go into treatment, it's cheaper. Was it the outfit that did ti Bill? Huh?
posted by nofundy at 6:52 AM on December 8, 2006
Remember when "parental rights" was a rallying cry of the Religious Right and conservatives in general? Ever notice how the concern for parental rights goes out the window when hippies, punk, secularists, and other left-of-center or countercultural folks start having kids of their own?
posted by jonp72 at 8:21 AM on December 8, 2006
posted by jonp72 at 8:21 AM on December 8, 2006
I must have moved the decimal the wrong direction when converting to percentage.
But MeFi had an audience of roughly a half-million a year and a half ago. Given the typical exponential growth of things on the net, it's not unlikely that we do have two million readers.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:48 AM on December 8, 2006
But MeFi had an audience of roughly a half-million a year and a half ago. Given the typical exponential growth of things on the net, it's not unlikely that we do have two million readers.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:48 AM on December 8, 2006
Ever notice how the concern for parental rights goes out the window when hippies, punk, secularists, and other left-of-center or countercultural folks start having kids of their own?
And what about the Vice President's lesbian daughter being pregnant? Woo-hee. The fundies' knickers are all a-twisted.
posted by ericb at 10:28 AM on December 8, 2006
And what about the Vice President's lesbian daughter being pregnant? Woo-hee. The fundies' knickers are all a-twisted.
posted by ericb at 10:28 AM on December 8, 2006
I am so missing image tags just because the ‘internet argument photo’ is so appropriate for a young kid vs. Bo’reilley
posted by Smedleyman at 11:44 AM on December 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by Smedleyman at 11:44 AM on December 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
So I post this story. Then haters immediately attack it indirectly by demanding that it must be removed and others attack me (the poster) or the little girl (and not her message).
[maybe if the haters had attacked my writeup it would have had more meaning]
Since then both of my YouTube links, The Coolest 8 Year Old In The World Talks About O'Reilly, and Bill O'Reilly takes on YouTube, rose to be the top 2 video links at Technorati.
I am not claiming that I did this, just that I was part of a swell.
At YouTube, I think there was a problem. The girl video had become so popular that they should have put it on some front pages but they seemed to have blocked it for a while (the video should have been in "top honors" but there was no was to see this).
My guess is that the YouTube people saw this as an inflammatory video and wanted to hold off on main paging it until they had contacted the Bastard Fairies and got them to say that this is not the opinion of a real little girl. E.g. the rewritten header about the video is now:
The currently 11550 YouTube comments are here but they will tak a while to download.
posted by MonkeySaltedNuts at 10:21 PM on December 17, 2006
[maybe if the haters had attacked my writeup it would have had more meaning]
Since then both of my YouTube links, The Coolest 8 Year Old In The World Talks About O'Reilly, and Bill O'Reilly takes on YouTube, rose to be the top 2 video links at Technorati.
I am not claiming that I did this, just that I was part of a swell.
At YouTube, I think there was a problem. The girl video had become so popular that they should have put it on some front pages but they seemed to have blocked it for a while (the video should have been in "top honors" but there was no was to see this).
My guess is that the YouTube people saw this as an inflammatory video and wanted to hold off on main paging it until they had contacted the Bastard Fairies and got them to say that this is not the opinion of a real little girl. E.g. the rewritten header about the video is now:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT: THIS VIDEO FEATURES A TALENTED YOUNG ACTRESS PLAYING A FICTITIOUS CHARACTER. IT IS A COMMERCIAL FOR THE BAND 'THE BASTARD FAIRIES' AND DIRECTED BY AN AWARD WINNING DOCUMENTARY FILM MAKING TEAM.Even so, that hasn't saved her from from racist remarks, harm or death threat, or calling her a (would be) prostitute in the comments at YouTube.
The currently 11550 YouTube comments are here but they will tak a while to download.
posted by MonkeySaltedNuts at 10:21 PM on December 17, 2006
MSN, I'm not sure how much of this had to do with you. You did lift'em from Patriotboy, and he got Atrios'ed as well.
posted by dhartung at 6:02 PM on December 18, 2006
posted by dhartung at 6:02 PM on December 18, 2006
Actually I don't think Duncan Black ever mentioned it at Atrios (Eschaton).
In my blogosphere I first saw it 11/01 at DownWithTyranny!, but it made no splash.
WaterTiger is most responsible for spreading the video. On 11/29 she blogged it. That day Firedog Lake picked it up and the next day it was at Jesus' General who eventually made 4 posts about it. WaterTiger has said that she was pimping the video in comments at Atrios (and probably at other places).
Late 12/05 Bill O'Reilly responded, and TrueBlueCT (of MyLeftNutmeg) put his response on YouTube.
Early morning 12/07 the General blogged the O'Reilly video and late that afternoon I posted this summary in the blue.
At sometime on 12/09 the video had about 1000 comments at YouTube, but as I said above it seemed to be blocked from getting "honors". Then it was frontpaged with a new blurb, and by late the next day it had 5000 comments.
Currently the video has 1,168,432 views and 11,951 comments. It is still mildly active - over the last 24 hours it has gained 110 comments, and technorati now lists 587 blog links (maybe 20 new ones over the last 24 hours).
YouTube seems to be developing a referral-click-count mechanism but it doesn't work too well now. When (and if) they get that working they will be able to show which blogs are responsible for buzz, and maybe even how much buzz comes from IM and email (most teens I know mainly IM cool links to their friends).
[Note: the above history is just my perspective. Anyone is welcome to go to technorati or elsewhere and tease out how the video's popularity spread.]
posted by MonkeySaltedNuts at 6:40 PM on December 21, 2006
In my blogosphere I first saw it 11/01 at DownWithTyranny!, but it made no splash.
WaterTiger is most responsible for spreading the video. On 11/29 she blogged it. That day Firedog Lake picked it up and the next day it was at Jesus' General who eventually made 4 posts about it. WaterTiger has said that she was pimping the video in comments at Atrios (and probably at other places).
Late 12/05 Bill O'Reilly responded, and TrueBlueCT (of MyLeftNutmeg) put his response on YouTube.
Early morning 12/07 the General blogged the O'Reilly video and late that afternoon I posted this summary in the blue.
At sometime on 12/09 the video had about 1000 comments at YouTube, but as I said above it seemed to be blocked from getting "honors". Then it was frontpaged with a new blurb, and by late the next day it had 5000 comments.
Currently the video has 1,168,432 views and 11,951 comments. It is still mildly active - over the last 24 hours it has gained 110 comments, and technorati now lists 587 blog links (maybe 20 new ones over the last 24 hours).
YouTube seems to be developing a referral-click-count mechanism but it doesn't work too well now. When (and if) they get that working they will be able to show which blogs are responsible for buzz, and maybe even how much buzz comes from IM and email (most teens I know mainly IM cool links to their friends).
[Note: the above history is just my perspective. Anyone is welcome to go to technorati or elsewhere and tease out how the video's popularity spread.]
posted by MonkeySaltedNuts at 6:40 PM on December 21, 2006
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posted by scrump at 2:35 PM on December 7, 2006