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December 17, 2006 12:43 AM   Subscribe

Fire Isiah! Sell the Knicks, Dolan!
posted by phaedon (31 comments total)

 
Fans of a struggling franchise want a change in management/ownership? This I do not believe.
posted by crashlanding at 3:16 AM on December 17, 2006


no clips of the rumble tonight? that was some good shit. a team in meltdown.
posted by Hat Maui at 3:27 AM on December 17, 2006


That was one of the worst moments in sports I have ever seen.
posted by caddis at 6:49 AM on December 17, 2006



That was one of the worst moments in sports I have ever seen.


God I hate when people talk about 'the worst moment in sports'. That brawl was utterly pedestrian.

Shameful for the teams involved? Sure.
Another nail in Isiah's coffin? Sure

The worst moment in sports? Are you effing kidding me?

The 1996 Olympic bombing?
The 1972 Munich massacre?
You don't know much about sports.

Do you?
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:39 AM on December 17, 2006


Here's a clip of the brawl. Listen for the sound of Carmelo Anthony's sucker punch connecting with poor Mardy's face.

I stopped watching the game about 5 minutes before this brawl erupted, and I've been kicking myself ever since. First time I've seen the Knicks care about what was happening on the court all season.
posted by saladin at 7:50 AM on December 17, 2006


By the way, T.D., he said one of the worst moments in sports, not the worst. I would imagine that list also contains both of your examples, along with quite a few others. Jerk.
posted by saladin at 7:52 AM on December 17, 2006


I rank it as somewhat less disturbing than Isiah's smile. Jerk.
posted by srboisvert at 8:06 AM on December 17, 2006


Carmelo Anthony is now officially my hero.
posted by suckerpunch at 8:29 AM on December 17, 2006 [2 favorites]


I'm with you T.D. - hardly one of the worst.


Interesting that from Mardy's headlock take down to when they finally got everyone separated only 50 seconds go by. It all happens so fast.

P.S. Carmelo is some kind of dumb, huh? I expect Isiah or any of the Knicks to do something stupid, but Carmelo has a reason to be smart.

The punch and hasty backpedal ain't gonna look good over time...
posted by django_z at 8:42 AM on December 17, 2006


I stopped watching the game about 5 minutes before this brawl erupted, and I've been kicking myself ever since.

Comedy gold, saladin.
posted by hal9k at 8:47 AM on December 17, 2006


T.D. He did say it was one of the worst he'd ever seen. A clear qualifier. Jerk.
posted by juiceCake at 9:04 AM on December 17, 2006


yet another reason to do away with professional basketball.
posted by HuronBob at 9:16 AM on December 17, 2006


clips of the brawl: under 'sell' and 'the'!
posted by phaedon at 9:34 AM on December 17, 2006


But, but...'Melo's manhood was threatened, wasn't it? How would you have him react? Remember, it's not easy being a role model.
posted by beelzbubba at 9:39 AM on December 17, 2006


I used to be a knicks fan.
posted by lovejones at 9:44 AM on December 17, 2006


oh, and jerk.
posted by lovejones at 9:47 AM on December 17, 2006


headbut to the chest
posted by edgeways at 9:56 AM on December 17, 2006


T.D. Strange is one of the biggest jerks on MeFi
posted by banished at 9:56 AM on December 17, 2006


What a dick.
posted by nathancaswell at 10:05 AM on December 17, 2006


Not having any personal feelings about these events, I can say it was amusing to listen to the announcers do a blow-by-blow of the instant replay of the brawl. They didn't miss a beat. Past brawls usually didn't get treated like they were part and parcel of the broadcast, if I recall.
posted by Burhanistan at 12:47 PM on December 17, 2006


anyone care to explain what's going on here?... I brought Doritos.
posted by wumpus at 1:13 PM on December 17, 2006


This is a pretty poorly-constructed post, but the video does tell the story, I guess. (It's advisable, in mundane and provincial sporting events like this one, to explain the occurence in the post.) For those who'd rather just read about it, look here.

Basically, a fight broke out last night during the Nuggets-Knicks game after a pretty flagrant foul.

T. D. Strange isn't exactly being an asshole. He's right-- the fight itself is pretty inconsequential, as far as sports fights go. Somebody could probably link a statistic about how many teeth get lost in the NHL every year. The thing that makes this damned unfortunate, and the reason that everybody's pissed off at Isaiah Thomas, is this: the coach seems to condone the foul. He defended it in the aftergame press conference by saying that the player who fouled didn't want to see his team get embarrassed on home turf.

And it looks to me, given how flagrant the foul is, how obviously premeditated it appears, and the fact that the same rookie player threw a similar foul a day before, as though the coach is telling players to foul. That's sad. It's pretty unbecoming.

Even if that's not true, Isaiah Thomas walked over to Carmello Anthony after the fight and told him that he and three of his teammates shouldn't be in the game, and that they were just trying to embarrass his team. That's conduct unbecoming of a coach, I don't care how you split the hairs. It's pretty obvious by now that Isaiah Thomas isn't much of a coach.
posted by koeselitz at 2:41 PM on December 17, 2006


as though the coach is telling players to foul.

Maybe you meant telling them to foul hard or flagrantly, but yes, fouling, in and of itself, is a strategy. Coaches tell players to foul all the time.
posted by dame at 6:01 PM on December 17, 2006


*suckerpunches wumpus*
posted by Kwine at 6:05 PM on December 17, 2006


Coaches tell players to foul all the time.

A pedantic point. And a coach who tells his players to foul when down 19 points with 90 seconds left in the game is a jackass. But we already knew that about Isaiah.
posted by Kwantsar at 6:10 PM on December 17, 2006


That it not the impression given.
posted by dame at 6:20 PM on December 17, 2006


strange, you are a dick
posted by caddis at 8:45 PM on December 17, 2006


by the way, the punch was the worst moment in sports, imho. bombings and terroristic acts at sporting events are not sports, they are just terrorism.
posted by caddis at 8:57 PM on December 17, 2006


"A pedantic point. And a coach who tells his players to foul when down 19 points with 90 seconds left in the game is a jackass. But we already knew that about Isaiah."

There's more to it than that, right? The Nuggets had still had all of their starters on the floor in an effort to run up the score. I hate the Knicks even more than I hate the NBA and I agree that everyone's a dick, but that list should include the Nuggets coach.
posted by jaysus chris at 7:32 AM on December 18, 2006


Isiah Thomas' play on the floor was the most beautiful and fluid of any I can recall-- he made Jordan look staccato by comparison; the few times I've been able to hear his commentary I was shocked at the depth of his insight, and I consider him to be among the best-looking human beings to walk the planet.

Yet for all of that (and more; his leadership was the key to the 'Detroit Bad Boys' championships), he radiates a coldness which is like standing at the base of a frozen waterfall, and yes, even a malevolence, at times. I'd like to blame Bobby Knight, but I have this sinking feeling that the arrow ought to point in the other direction.

He is somewhat wasted in sports. If I were President, I think I might want him as Secretary of State, or in Karl Rove's position.

If I could stand the nightmares.
posted by jamjam at 10:15 AM on December 18, 2006


ESPN's camera picks up Isiah talking to Carmelo right before the brawl. Although they can't pick up everything he says, they do make out "Don't go to the hole". It seems pretty obvious to me that he ordered the flagrant, although impossible to prove.

As for running up the score, the Knicks still had their starters in, and Isiah was having them press with 2 minutes left, down 19. If he wants the opposing team to call off the dogs, maybe he should think about benching his own starting 5?
posted by Crash at 7:52 AM on December 19, 2006


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