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3,000 casualties

nola — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:28:10 -0800

Where They Came From A map depicting the point of origin, of solders killed in Iraq.

By: Blazecock Pileon

Blazecock Pileon — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:33:39 -0800

Interesting link. Thanks.

By: mecran01

mecran01 — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:33:39 -0800

This is saddening. It would interesting to see this chart adjusted for relative population density in order to determine which areas of the country lost more troops per capita.

By: found missing

found missing — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:35:44 -0800

Weird. It seems to have some relationship to this.

By: tentacle

tentacle — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:35:51 -0800

I was thinking the same thing, mecran01... to see if there's a higher per-capita number in less affluent parts of the country (more kids joining up for $$ for college, eg).

By: wilful

wilful — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:40:30 -0800

Of US soldiers killed in Iraq.

By: Osmanthus

Osmanthus — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:42:53 -0800

The map itself has a density chart ona per state basis. 3 colors, 3 densities.

By: davebush

davebush — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:43:25 -0800

It is so hard And it's cold here And I'm tired of taking orders And I miss old Rockford town Up by the Wisconsin border But I miss you won't believe Shoveling snow and raking leaves And my plane will touch tomorrow On the day after tomorrow - Tom Waits

By: frogan

frogan — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:51:06 -0800

Somewhat interesting that, except for Texas, the U.S. South is not as represented as much as I would've expected. Slap me for my stereotyping.

By: jaysus chris

jaysus chris — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:54:50 -0800

I didn't see it at first, but the map does categorize the states into three different shades based on deaths per 100,000. Not exactly per capita, but then I clicked the "home of record" link on the bottom, and there it is... Vermont has 2.89 per 100k and New Jersey has .60 per 100k. The high "contributions" of the various territories is surprising to me.

By: Mayor Curley

Mayor Curley — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:55:46 -0800

to see if there's a higher per-capita number in less affluent parts of the country (more kids joining up for $$ for college, eg). Well, looking at New England, the poorer states (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont) have a higher per-capita killed than Massachusetts or Connecticut.

By: Mister_A

Mister_A — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:13:00 -0800

Wow, Hawaii beats Texas in this dying game. And Samoa is really getting the shaft here too.

By: peeedro

peeedro — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:22:25 -0800

I wish this "where they died" graph had a geographic representation as well.

By: thewittyname

thewittyname — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:23:54 -0800

This is very cool, and sobering. Thanks for the post. One correction: the map shows casualties from both Iraq and Afghanistan.

By: vbfg

vbfg — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:32:19 -0800

Of US soldiers killed in Iraq. For info: the map was more effective in getting that point across than your bold tag.

By: spock

spock — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:32:25 -0800

Surprised that the neocons haven't shut this down and accused the the marinecorpstimes/armytimes of offering aid and comfort to the enemy.

By: wilful

wilful — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:46:20 -0800

For info: the title wasn't at all effective, and strongly suggested that the only people of any interest in Bush's little war are Americans. British and Canadians (not to mention Iraqis!) have also died in some numbers in this grand little venture.

By: matty

matty — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:00:59 -0800

I'd be interested in comparing the per-state capita to a map showing all active duty personnel by their branch of service. In the Navy it was a running joke (and entirely not true) that everyone was either from Ohio or Texas. It makes me wonder if people from any general geographic area are more inclined to enlist in one service or another - i.e. are people from Hawaii more inclined to join the Army (a "land-locked" service)in part because they're from a "water-rich" environment) and vice versa for people from oh, say Kansas? I know, I know - it's a stretch to find some sort of correlation amongst a bajillion other factors, but it'd still make for an interesting map.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:01:16 -0800

Here is some enlistment data by state, to compare and contrast. (They don't seem to track the same for active members, presumably because their geographic location is no longer a choice.)

By: smackfu

smackfu — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:05:41 -0800

...which says the highest contributing states per capita are Maine, Virginia, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, and Alaska. Lowest is Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Minnesota, D.C., and Utah.

By: fourcheesemac

fourcheesemac — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:40:15 -0800

I note that the "blue" states have lost more than the "red" ones. Hmm. Think this will end the media meme about "real" Americans living in "red" states? Don't hold your breath. Disgusting war, started by hideous people.

By: koeselitz

koeselitz — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:41:47 -0800

mecran01: "It would interesting to see this chart adjusted for relative population density in order to determine which areas of the country lost more troops per capita." tentacle: "I was thinking the same thing, mecran01... to see if there's a higher per-capita number in less affluent parts of the country (more kids joining up for $$ for college, eg)." Maybe I'm misunderstanding you guys, but the map is adjusted for population density. See the gray to light-gray colors on the states? That indicates number of troops per capita.

By: d723

d723 — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:45:51 -0800

There most certainly have been more than 3000 casualties in the US's invasion of Iraq. You should probably say US Military casualties. Your headline makes it seem as if you are not interested in the fate of anyone who did not come out of their mother on the same side of the same imaginary line as you did. It doesn't matter what side of what imaginary line your mother was on when you came out of her, you still get counted as a casualty.

By: wilful

wilful — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:48:15 -0800

Oh, one more thing - are these solders lead based?

By: Kid Charlemagne

Kid Charlemagne — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:51:00 -0800

Wilful, the people who most need their nose rubbed in that fact are the ones who are probably willing to write off the American dead as irrelavent as well.

By: spock

spock — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:30:07 -0800

Oh, one more thing - are these solders lead based? Game, set and match to wilful.

By: furtive

furtive — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:40:56 -0800

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:04:19 -0800

There have been over 25,000 American military casualties in Iraq. Over 3,000 fatalities and over 22,000 wounded. Flash map of where they died in Iraq. (Which has been posted here before.)

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:13:19 -0800

Interesting post, thanks nola. This 'skin-tone' pie chart of deaths categorized by race is kinda creepy.

By: cenoxo

cenoxo — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:48:51 -0800

And so — if you were planning an escalation of U.S. forces in Iraq — where would you step up your recruiting efforts? In states with relatively fewer deaths, more deaths, or across the country in general?

By: cenoxo

cenoxo — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:16:26 -0800

A map of the dead should be much more compelling:

Chart depicting the successive loss of French Army soldiers during Napoleon's Russian Campaign (1812-1813) [English version].

Unfortunately, there will be time to draw one up later, but where is Charles Joseph Minard when you need him?

By: nola

nola — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:07:00 -0800

very interesting cenoxo.

By: hadjiboy

hadjiboy — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:17:56 -0800

It's like the whole country is drowning in blood; can't even imagine what Iraq would look like in one of these? Thanks for all of those sobering links

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:44:03 -0800

It's like the whole country is drowning in blood Yeah, I was a little surprised they chose the color red for their map.

By: b33j

b33j — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:09:51 -0800

Minard? Booth and Snow